Maybe Pelosi’s trip to Syria isn’t so outrageous after all

Speaker Pelosi’s planned visit to Syria next week seems to have generated some over-the-top outrage from our friends on the right, spurred on by the White House.

The Bush administration has resisted significant contact with the Syrian government, accusing it of meddling in Lebanon, supporting terrorism and being unhelpful on Iraq.

“We don’t think it’s a good idea,” said the White House deputy press secretary, Dana Perino, of the Congressional visit. “We think that someone should take a step back and think about the message that it sends.”

Perino added, “I’m not sure what the hopes are to — what [Pelosi is] hoping to accomplish there. I know that Assad probably really wants people to come and have a photo opportunity and have tea with him, and have discussions about where they’re coming from, but we do think that’s a really bad idea.”

For a lot of conservatives, that’s all they needed to hear. Indeed, far-right blogs pounced — one said this is proof that “Democrats seem to be setting up a separate government with its own suicidally [sic] blind idea of who’s a terrorist and who isn’t (basically, nobody is).” Another insisted that Pelosi’s decision to visit Syria is “repulsive” and questioned her loyalty to the U.S. Another still asked, “Can we question [Democrats’] patriotism now?” Yet another concluded that Pelosi’s trip “has to teeter on the edge of treason.”

How foolish is all of this? How wrong are the far-right blogs? Let us count the ways.

1. Pelosi is heading a bipartisan delegation to Syria. Apparently, House Republicans are repulsive, suicidal, and treasonous too?

2. Trips from U.S. officials to Syria are not that unusual. Sens. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and John Kerry (D-Mass.) recently traveled to Damascus, where Specter reportedly “stressed the importance of reactivating the dialogue between the United States and Syria to achieve security and stability in the Middle East.” Let me guess, the Republican senator from Pennsylvania also deserves to have his patriotism questioned, right?

3. Pelosi’s trip is consistent with the judgment of the Iraq Study Group, which as recently as Thursday, the White House praised for offering guidelines that lawmakers should follow.

4. The Bush administration itself has initiated some tentative discussions with Syrian officials recently. By the right’s logic, it would appear the Bush administration is undermining the Bush administration’s policy.

5. The White House said it had not been informed about Pelosi’s delegation visiting Syria. This is false — Bush and Pelosi discussed it on Thursday.

6. A number of right-wing Republican lawmakers are already in Syria now.

Not only are the administration’s attacks on Pelosi hypocritical, but the timing suggests they are a partisan hit. ThinkProgress has learned that a delegation of Republicans is currently in Syria. (This has not been previously reported by the press.) Why did the White House wait until Pelosi’s imminent visit to raise this issue publicly, and not make mention of the Republicans already there?

Here’s what the White House isn’t talking about:

Republican Reps. Aderholt and Wolf are currently visiting Syria. According to a congressional official on Rep. Robert Aderholt’s (R-AL) staff, Aderholt and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) are currently visiting Israel and Syria.

TP’s report has been confirmed by Bloomberg.

As far as I can tell, the White House and far-right bloggers haven’t complained at all about this other trip. In other words, when Pelosi leads a bipartisan delegation to Syria, she’s a traitor to her country. When conservative GOP lawmakers visit Syria, well, the right doesn’t want to talk about it. Got it.

On a related note, have you noticed how spectacularly wrong conservative blogs have been lately? Every time the right’s blogs think they’re on to something big, they end up getting the story backwards and looking rather foolish. I’m starting to feel kind of bad for them.

First there was Cliff May’s email from a Marine about Iraq and the media, which conservatives jumped all over, which turned out to be wrong. Then there was a picture of John Kerry in Iraq that was “proof” that the troops resented him, which also turned out to be wrong. Then there was Capt. Jamil Hussein, which has turned out to be a humiliating story for the right. Conservative blogs said Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was dead when he wasn’t; they said Barack Obama was educated in a madrassa; and they falsely accused Nancy Pelosi of demanding a luxurious military jet. In February, they complained about Oregon’s official state climatologist getting fired for rejecting global warming, before we learned that Oregon doesn’t have an official state climatologist. And now they’ve flubbed the story about Pelosi and Syria.

It’s early yet, but one wonders if 2007 will be the year in which conservative blogs get everything wrong.

Don’t feel bad for them. They’re little more than grist for our mill, the mill operated by and for all the citizenry, all except the wacko extremists who have suddenly discovered that stealing elections isn’t enough to protect them. When the lights are turned on (by blogs and congressional investigators) the vermin scurry.

  • It doesn’t matter all that much whether the right-wing bloggers get it right or wrong, their clientele believes them anyway, and won’t be swayed by the actual facts.

    As the disunited country we have become we are retreating more and more into our own protected shells wherein we only read that which supports our ideological viewpoint. In dumbed-down America, facts, logic, reason, and rationality have been devalued. Emotion and partisanship reign.

    What does that say about our educational system and the media?

  • Well now, let me tell you a little something about just how two-faced these reThug uberschweinen are. Walk into any of the little cheaper-than-dirt “dollar stores” that are springing up all over the place. Dollar Tree, Family Dollar, Dollar general—and, of course, their bigger-than-a-barrage-balloon big brother, WalMart. Take a look at where all the discount clothes are coming from.

    China, you say? Guess again.

    Malasia? Nope.

    Try these countries of origin on for size:

    Kuwait.

    Jordan.

    United Arab Emirates.

    And—((drumroll, if you please))—Syria.

    Yessir, boys and girls—the United States of America, via that little two-faced chimpanzee in the White House and his “below-zero-IQ” friends, can cry to the heavens that a Democratic politician is going to Syria—but it’s okay for the ReThug cash-coddlers to make big bucks by importing clothing goods from Syria.

    I guess “terrorism” is a label open to a very wide range of interpretation….

  • Another still asked, “Can we question [Democrats’] patriotism now?”

    This line might be the most telling of the bunch. Wingnuts have been consistantly questioning Dems’ patriotism for what? 30 years or so? You have to wonder if sistertoldja has ever spent a day in the same neighborhood as reality.

    But really, this is completely typical of wingnut blogs. They don’t seek understanding of issues, or dialog about them. They are on a desperate and unending search to find outrage in the mundane. One of these days, their thirst for victimhood will have them hitting themselves in the head with the claw end of a hammer. I imagine they’d have taken it up by now, if they could find a way to blame liberals for it.

  • It’s early yet, but one wonders if 2007 will be the year in which conservative blogs get everything wrong.

    The truth-value of a statement is measured by the extent to which the statement promotes the unique role of the Party as the vanguard of the Revolution.

    In a revolutionary context, mere conformity with the facts is not an accurate criterion of truth.

    (We’re being governed by Maoists — anybody notice?)

  • Maybe the thugs are just scared to death that something good might come out of it. It is good to get the world thinking about what we(all of us) are going to do when this pestilential administration is, finally, discarded.

  • Good for Nancy Pelosi…if Dubya won’t get his butt over to the Mideast to calm tensions let Pelosi do it…

    Bush’s endless wars have broken how many lives and bodies???…and have enriched his defense contractor cronies by how many billions??? The last thing Bush’s crowd wants is peace in the Mideast…

  • Oohh goody! I found a radical left wing hate spewing blog! Have I got a letter-to-the-editor to share with you!

    An unfortunate, but true letter that was posted in the letters-to-the-editor section on WorldNetDaily describing the raging hatred of the radical left:

    THURSDAY, MARCH 29, 2007

    Leftist hatred akin to Islamic fanaticism

    One benefit of the Internet is that the general public gets to be the “fly on the wall” to hear and read the discussions among the compassionate, tolerant liberals when they’re among themselves and feeling free to be open about what they truly believe.

    Only then do they allow the pure, raw, visceral hatred to flow out. Such were the cases with Vice President Cheney and now Tony Snow. Merely because of political disagreement with these two men, the liberals are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of them suffering and dying. What about the Snow and Cheney families? Do the liberals consider the impact to these two families due to the loss of a husband, a father, a grandfather? Of course not. With the left, the message is clear: “Either you agree with us or die.”

    It is sick beyond description and is eerily similar to the Islamic fascists who kill other people and each other over political and religious disagreements. The way I see it, the only difference between the Islamic terrorists and these “tolerant” liberals is that the terrorists actually act on what they say instead of hiding anonymously behind a keyboard. The hatred and intolerance is absolutely the same.
    by
    Mike Michaelian
    *******
    Let’s see…from what I’ve read here on Carpetbaggerville so far we must ask if your blog is:

    1. Reality-Based Commentary? Nope.
    2. Analysis? Yes…but hopelessly skewed towards liberal left lunacy.
    3. Tirades on Politics? Yep! Got that one right….err…I mean CORRECT!

    P.S. Someone should get Nancy Pelosi to bring Rosie O’Dimwitt with her to Syria…and leave her there!

    The blog battles continue to rage on and on…
    Got my virtual vomit-spewing-hatred shield up now…

  • The righty blog types are all a bunch screechy impotent sniveling hannitycoulterlimbaughmalkinoriely wannabes. They’re mean spirited cowardly fascist filth without the big paycheck.

  • I thought Christine forgot to insert a [/snark] tag until I visited her website and saw a section for LGF headlines.

  • After visiting Christine’s website, it seems she’s one of Bush’s 30% base, who thinks he’s doing a really good job of governing the country. Also, that the Iraq war must be fought to save us from more terr’rist attacks.

    I guess if it works for her, I’m glad.

  • Right on cue, a wingnut waltzes in and spews more hate in 2 posts than accumulates here in a month. Somehow, Rosie O’Donnell needed to be insulted along the way, though I do not understand why. Her name has never come up on this site, as far back as I can remember.

    Maybe when your spiritual beliefs insist that only warriors can spread love, Rosie O’Donnel is relevant to everything. I don’t know. I’ve lost interest in trying to understand the miswiring of the wingnut brain.

  • If memory serves …. wasn’t Syria one of the countries that Nixon famously visited during his farewell Summer 1974 “I am still a Statesman” Tour? I always thought that Nixon was big wingnut hero…

    oh – and please don’t feed the trolls.

  • Reg wrote: “How much do you want to bet that gorp and christine are both the same person?”

    Sorry, that must be a tactic of liberal left loonies. I don’t do that.

    Hello phoebes,

    Your comment is the only post (so far) that seems to indicate that though you disagree with me, you are the type of person who is still capable of holding a rational discussion. Thank you. I’d vote for you to replace Rosie O’Donnell on The Spew…and bring some credibility to the show. It could then be re-named “Sharing Views.” Yeah…I know…I’m dreaming…

    JoeW,

    So…just where did I “spew hate”? My blogpost about O’Donnell is accurate. Just because you don’t happen to agree with it doesn’t automatically mean it should be labeled as “hate.” But your response is just so typical. When leftist people can’t (or refuse to) answer the legitimate charges against them (or, the person being discussed), they call everything, and everyone “hateful.” A suggestion. Please find a new word?

    Steve,
    Like acronyms I see? Anyone can play that game.
    Here’s one for you:

    Silly
    Troll
    Evidently
    Vicious
    Enmity

  • How foolish is all of this? How wrong are the far-right blogs? Let us count the ways — CB

    You want to hold Dems and Repubs to the same standards of honesty??? Have you forgotten that, IOKIYAR? *Whatever* “it” happens to be at the moment? Shame on you and your faulty memory…

    Oohh goody! I found a radical left wing hate spewing blog! — Christine, @9

    I’m so happy for you, dahlink. Too bad you don’t seem to have any idea what a “radical left wing hate spewing blog” *is* but, if you keep searching, you might really come accross one.

  • I’ve been in this Internet game going on seventeen years, libra, and I’ve never found a “radical left wing” blog “spewing hate”. Plenty of reichwing blogs spewing hate, but no “left wing”.

    Christinewjc – what is that, Christ in New Jersey, Christ in New Jersey City? dawg knows there’s a place in need of redemption – why don’t you do the world a favor and cease to exist? You are an insult to my mammalian cousins.

  • libra wrote: “Too bad you don’t seem to have any idea what a “radical left wing hate spewing blog” *is* but, if you keep searching, you might really come accross one.”

    Good advice! I’ll search… Hey! Just found one! Thomas’ blog ranks up there quite well! BTW, there is only one “c” in “across”.

    You know what Thomas unaWares? You probably haven’t found “a radical left wing” blog because no one could top yours!

    From unaWares “Homeless on the High Desert” blog:

    Quote: “If you’re a Jew/Muslim/Christian, do the world a favor and die, pig.”

    I rest my case.

  • Christene — Why don’t you be honest in that you showed up here spoiling for a fight. The very first line in your post: “Oohh goody! I found a radical left wing hate spewing blog! Have I got a letter-to-the-editor to share with you!” is designed to pick a fight from the start.

    What you are doing is no different than someone who goes to an ethnic bar and starts telling ethnic jokes. When the ethnic group retaliates, then the joke teller can say, see I was right about these people all along.

    Now run along back to Atlas Shrugs or one of your other luminary blogs so you can tell them how mean those liberals were to you.

  • Christine, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a whole show of The View as I’m usually at work when, I think, it’s on. So I really don’t have any ideas about the show at all. I’ve heard Rosie O’Donnell before, though, and I most certainly agree with most of her views.

    This is what I think. You are part of the 30% Republican base, who will vote for anyone with an “R” after his/her name. I’m the opposite, a member of the 30% Democratic base. NOTHING anyone writes here will change your mind, just as nothing on right wing blogs will change my mind. So, in a way, it’s rather futile for either of us to engage in strong debate. I do respect you for your views, even though I do not agree with most of them.

    I happen to think that our once-wonderful country has been driven downwards in the last six years because of our government. What we had after September 11th, the good-will of the world and the unity of ALL the country, was squandered in a no-win war-of-choice in Iraq, against the wrong enemy, while not engaging the real enemy AlQaeda. We have mortgaged our future, our children’s and grandchildren’s future, over a certain losing cause, all the while ignoring the problems at home, from Katrina to border problems to our educational spiril downwards. The billions of dollars squandered in Iraq could have helped OUR intrastructure, OUR schools, OUR elderly, etc. All of this was done through the Republican government – AND through the Democratic silence.

    This is why I’M mad. Others on this blog and other “liberal” (and I’m proud to be liberal) may have other reasons. But those are why I’m here. I know we can’t change your mind, so maybe we’d be better to just respectfully disagree.

  • I sincerely hope that Nancy Pelosi DOES FORM AN ALTERNATIVE GOVERNMENT because the one embodied by Bush is not working properly. Can’t we all vote tomorrow for him to resign? I don’t want to go to war with Iran and Syria. I just hope the Iranians treat the British prisoners better than we’ve treated the captives in Gitmo (and the secret torture chambers elsewhere).

  • I’m trying to figure out if Christine takes her marching orders from Pat Robertson or bin Laden. The 2 sound so alike some days, they’re almost interchangable. While it’s true that bin Laden murdered close to 3000 innocent people, Pat Robertson hailed it as God’s work.

    It’s tough to keep track of the loonies without a scorecard. (I’m still trying to figure out what Rosie O’Donnell has to do with any of this)

  • Marcus,

    I actually came here to find out answers to 6 questions that I have often thought about liberal left bloggers. I have already found out the answers to 3 or 4 of them. It’s been a pleasure testing all of you.

    Phoebes,

    Darn…I forgot. The MSM news programs that you most likely watch probably have not covered the Rosie controversy. Thus, I believe Joe W. whan he says that he can’t figure out what Rosie has to do with “any of this.”

    I wonder. Have you ever heard of the documentary called “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West?” You can click on the link to see several interview clips (including one on CNN) and a movie trailer. It’s truly an eye-opener, to say the least. Yes. We do disagree about the war in Iraq. I believe that a defeat there would embolden the Islamofascists and to retreat would leave the Iraqi people vulnerable for the slaughter. Iran would take over the country and create a safe haven for Al Qaida to have a new training ground from which to plot attacks against America and every other country of its choosing. This is a war against a brutal ideology that would do anything to advance their cause. Did you hear about the terrorists who strapped two children into a car, got through a check point in Iraq, the adults ran out and they allowed the children to be blown up in the suicide/homicide car bombing? Like I said, they would do anything, absolutely anything to spread their evil throughout the world.

    I have looked at the left’s side and arguments on this issue. I think that they are dead wrong about the war on terror. If we don’t defeat them over in the MIddle East, we will be subject to more 9/11’s in the future…even more horrific than the first.

    I can respect your opinion that more needs to be done here at home. I am not in lock step with everything regarding the Bush Administration. The illegal immigration issue is not being taken care of properly and that bothers me a great deal. But I don’t see the Democrats with any better answers.

    I can certainly understand your feeling that we have “nothing to talk about” since we are on completely opposite sides of the political spectrum. But it was nice chatting with you, however briefly, anyway.

    And Joe W, I don’t take my “marching orders” from anyone else but the God of the Bible and our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. That is where true wisdom resides…not in the fallible secular humanistic “wisdom” of men.

  • Christine, I agree with you that we did need to confront AlQaeda after September 11th. I think every American supported the war in Afghanistan to rout BinLadin and his band of terr’sts.

    But, we dropped the ball when we attacked Iraq, a pure war-of-choice and left BinLadin to escape capture and punishment. By attacking Iraq, a government at complete odds with BinLadin, we have provoked many more terr’ists than we had before.

    And, this is a pluralistic society. Many don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ – I don’t, I’m Jewish – but I sure respect your religious beliefs and your rights to worship as you see fit. But, you must also respect others’ beliefs and not force your beliefs on anyone else. How would you feel if I, as a Jew, tried to tell you that MY beliefs are the only right way to worship? You’d feel insulted, as you should be, that someone tried to tell you how to worship. Well, please turn that around and respect the beliefs of others.

    The only Rosie O’Donnell thingy I know about is her quarrel with Donald Trump. Both of them looked idiotic, I thought.

  • “Treason” and “traitors” are as American as apple pie, for The United States of America was founded and established by traitors who broke their allegiance to King George III. To make matters worse, they fought their King as rebels and “illegal combatants”. Our George II would probably agree with that; however, the American traitors and illegal combatants, who were also “terrorists”, sufficiently terrorized the King’s men so they surrendered at Yorktown. Because these traitors, terrorists and illegal combatants all hung together, they were not hanged separately, just as Ben Franklin opined.

    ————————————————————————————————–

  • Iran would take over the country and create a safe haven for Al Qaida to have a new training ground from which to plot attacks against America and every other country of its choosing.

    I’m going to use as few words as possible here, so as hopefully not to strain the limits of the troll’s comprehensive powers:

    Iran: Shi’ite
    Al Qaeda: Sunni

    These two groups, um, don’t get along all that well. While it’s probably true that Iran will benefit when (not if) we leave Iraq at the conclusion of Dubya’s Splendid Little War, the more influence they have, the less likely it is that “Al Qaeda”–or any foreign terrorists–will be able to use Iraq as a staging ground for anything but their own headless bodies.

    Don’t let the facts get in the way.

    I don’t take my “marching orders” from anyone else but the God of the Bible and our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    A little thought exercise, since it’s clear your brain could use a workout: replace “Bible” with “holy Koran” and “Jesus Christ” with “infinitely merciful Allah.” Now imagine someone walked into your church, or home, and said this.

    Maybe this makes it clear why those of us in the reality-based community deplore zombies like you, following a perverted absolutist form of Chistianity, almost as much as we deplore the deranged killers who follow a perversion of Islam. To the extent you aren’t as bad as they are, it’s because you’ve had the historic good fortune to grow up exposed to the true values of this great country: the values of the Enlightenment, the genius of our system.

  • Just returned from Christines site. Apparentley, we are the enemy. I thought that we were fello Americans, with different views, but if she thinks that I am her enemy, what am I to do?
    And she claims to be a Christian, but I see none of Jesus in her writing.
    Blessed are the peacemakers may be something that she never read. Or perhaps someone told her it was Jesus looking into the future & commenting on a Colt product.
    She’s so deep in this cult-like world of faux Christianity that only an intervention & deprogramming could possibly make a dent. Sad, really, like the Moonies.
    Excuse me, I have to go shower now.

  • OK, Christine, I’ll bite. How do you get your orders from Jesus Christ? Does he talk to you directly? Or through others? – If others, who? A Quiji board, maybe? The fillings in your teeth? Or do you dump the content of your Cuisinart on the kitchen floor and read the Rorschach blot?

    What is it about your devinition of the divine that makes your opinion better than others? Has it occurred to you that being loud about your faith doesn’t make it superior to those quietly reflect upon theirs? – And you want to argue people who dont beat their breasts and howl “Jesus!!” at the moon are some how comparable to radical Muslims?!?!? Sorry, but you’re plain silly.

    I respect religion of all faiths and all who hold that dear. But when people couch their political arguments in the cloth of religion, their religion is then open to public discussion and ridicule. For me, that includes Robertson, Dobson, bin Laden, and anyone who sounds vaguely like any one of them.
    Your website’s celebration of ‘warriors’ to spread ‘Christ’s love’, is worthy of very high ridicule. I mean, what are you saying? Warriors spread love and lovers spread war?

  • ***I don’t take my “marching orders” from anyone else but the God of the Bible and our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.***

    How odd that you would even consider making such a comment, Chrissie. From the tone in your vituperous commentary, one would be more apt to mistake you for a Pharisee. Flashy clothes, lots of face-paint, and always anxious to judge others on the basis of your infinitely-narrowed vision of “the letter of the law.”

    You put all of your stock in the Bible—it’s a book, Chrissie; a “dead thing” made with paper (dead trees), petroleum-based printing inks (dead plants, dead mammoths, and plenty of dead dinosaurs), and it’s just chock full of cuteset “hatisms” (written by a bunch of dead guys who got together in a smoke-filled tent, because they couldn’t manage to erect a smoke-filled sand dune while they were blithely tripping the light fantastic around some desert, pretending to suffer from building pyramids that were built five centuries before they even showed up on the scene, or conquering cities that were abandoned centuries before that Joshua-guy was even a twinkle in his daddy’s eye). There’s more of “god” in a single blade of grass than there is in a whole shipload of your “books.”

    But you’re like all the other Pharisees, Chrissie—you’ll spew your incredulous bile and use Jesus as your shield—until he shows up and starts rocking your boat.

    Then you’ll murder him, just like your kind did a couple thousand years ago.

    YOUR god told you not to judge, and YOUR god told you what would happen if you did judge. You want to know why the world’s such a freaking mess, Chrissie? Because YOUR god is visiting his judgement—on YOU. You and YOUR kind couldn’t keep a Commandment if your very lives depended upon it. YOU and YOUR kind not only LIE—but LIVE a LIE. YOU and YOUR kind COVET, STEAL, KILL, and twist the TRUTH to your own greedy, hateful ends.

    What was that definition of your favorite arch-villain, the AntiChrist? Something about presenting intelf to the world as the Resurrected Carpenter himself—and then bringing all sorts of divisiveness and suffering to the land?

    Better look in that mirror, Chrissie—your horns are showing….

  • My original questions included the following:

    1. I wondered if anyone here would agree that what the far left said (as pointed out by the writer of the letter in my first post) about Dick Cheney and Tony Snow “deserving to die” of their afflictions was going a bit too far?

    Not one person even mentioned it; no less condemned such terrible diatribes as totally wrong.

    2. I wondered how long it would take for people here to mock me for my faith?

    Happened almost immediately, in the second post after mine.

    3. I wondered how long it would take for someone here to compare my faith in Jesus Christ as equally appalling as radical Islamic obsession and terrorism?

    It happened in post #31.

    4. I wondered if anyone here knew about the incidents, and damage, that Rosie O’Donnell’s rants on “The Spew” have done? This includes her current nutty 9/11 conspiracy blather regarding tower #7, her anti-Christian rants, and her “blame it on America” attitude when the Iranians illegally captured the British sailors in Iraqi waters. It hasn’t been covered much on the MSM so obviously, only Phoebe knew something about Rosie. But it appears that no one here knew about these incidents which have angered most Americans. And Phoebe, the Rosie vs. Trump feud is old news.

    5. I wondered how long it would take for someone to “get down and dirty” regarding my belief that the Bible is God’s Word? Steve came back with a whopper of a rant.
    P.S. Joe W runs a close second. Obviously he didn’t read “Culture Warrior” so he doesn’t understand what it means to be a Christian culture warrior and what type of ideologies we fight against. This statement truly takes the cake: “I respect religion of all faiths and all who hold that dear. But when people couch their political arguments in the cloth of religion, their religion is then open to public discussion and ridicule.” Only a liberal can claim to “respect religion of all faiths,” then, in the same sentence, say that “their religion is then open to ridicule.”

    6. I wondered if all the awful, negative things that I have been reading about, listening to, and seeing in books; on the radio; and on T.V. about liberal left radicals could possibly all be true and accurate?

    No doubt in my mind, anymore…

  • Well your question #4 brings up an interesting point. At this stage of the game why would anyone who has been paying attention for the last six years trust what the United States, or for that matter, the British government, has to say in regards to events in the Middle East. We haven’t been told the truth about the Iraq war, so how is their word suddenly credible.

    If you’re just now perusing what’s being said over on this side of the blogoshpere then you’re incredibly late to the discussion and have missed a lot of important facts.

    Consider this, if 70% of the people in this country are not in support of the Iraq war, and well over half the people in the country believe that Bush lied about the reasons for starting the war, do you think maybe, just maybe, that they might know something you don’t. Think about it.

  • People who don’t know what is at stake can change their minds on the latest whim. Polls and percentages can be skewed and mis-represented according to the way the questions are (or were) asked.

    I wasn’t “late to the discussion.” I’ve been paying close attention for quite some time now. Like I said, I wanted to see if all that I have read, seen and heard about the radical liberal left was true and accurate. Apparently, the “Bush lied” crowd will beat that dead-horse-faulty-belief for eternity. It’s so inaccurate that it’s actually amusing now.

    And Marcus…it is the MSM who haven’t been telling YOU the truth! Take off the liberal left blinders and live in the real world for a change…YOU might learn something.

  • [sic] is a notation to indicate you are knowingly quoting an error of spelling or grammar. Which makes me curious as to why then it is inserted in this line: “…setting up a separate government with its own suicidally [sic] blind idea…”

    I see no error there. The word is used correctly in context of what the original author wished to say and is spelled correctly.

  • The seventh thing that I have learned:

    When asking a question here, most people tend to ignore it! I previously asked, “Has anyone seen the documentary, ‘Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West’?” Not one answer. Has anyone taken the time to go to the link I provided and view the trailer and news program interviews? Why not?

    When you get your news “one sided” and only see the MSM biased shows and reports, no wonder you’re brainwashed!

  • “he doesn’t understand what it means to be a Christian culture warrior and what type of ideologies we fight against”

    Fight? If you really want a fight then why are you here? Why don’t you and your family line up to join the US Army? I hear they need lots of “warrior” types. The internet isn’t the front line in the war on terror. As the idiot Prez sez, Iraq is the Central Front. Anything else means you’re just a wannabe.

    “Only a liberal can claim to “respect religion of all faiths,” then, in the same sentence, say that “their religion is then open to ridicule.””

    Only a fundie can’t see the world in shades of grey, only black and white (agree or damnation.)

    “I wondered if all the awful, negative things that I have been reading about, listening to, and seeing in books; on the radio; and on T.V. about liberal left radicals could possibly all be true and accurate?

    No doubt in my mind, anymore… ”

    Nice to know we haven’t disappointed. How can you have something you’ve never had (doubt)?

    I have to admit, reading your posts have confirmed a lot for me too. You are probably one of the most deeply insecure, troubled, pathetic and scared persons who has ever posted on this forum since I’ve started visting here. The fact that you describe yourself as a “warrior” is a very sad sign. A warrior is tested in combat with real bullets and death, not getting into some piddly ass internet argument (and even then, real warriors don’t go around thumping their chests proclaiming their warriorhood.) You can’t deal with a world of nuances and complexity so you turn to a rigid religious ideology that gives you the simple structure you crave. And many intellectual things are beyond you despite those university degrees of yours. Knowledge seeped in, but any understanding has not flourished in your mind. If I actually had any real decency, I’d pity you, but I don’t. I’ll just laugh as you splash about pretending to know things you have no understanding of, fighting the mysterious battles in the ether of the interne and cling to fantasy as reality floods around you.

  • Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [is] understanding.

    Pro 14:26 In the fear of the LORD [is] strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

    Pro 14:27 The fear of the LORD [is] a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

    Pro 15:16 Better [is] little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.

    Pro 15:33 The fear of the LORD [is] the instruction of wisdom; and before honour [is] humility.

    In case you didn’t know, the term “fear” in these verses, according to the Outline of Biblical Usage means:

    c) fear (of God), respect, reverence, piety

    d) revered

    means “reverence for.”

  • Christine –
    Judge not, lest ye be ….
    Oh, never mind, I don’t think a “Christian Warrior” could ever “get” what Jesus was saying.
    Please Christine, enlist.
    Have all of your relatives enlist.
    The military needs warriors.
    And if you don’t, you are just proving that you are not a real warrior, just a poseur.
    Prove us all wrong here, Christine. I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong.
    Somehow, I don’t think that it will happen.

  • BuzzMon,

    I don’t think that YOU get what Jesus was saying.

    You make the typical mistake of taking a verse out of context.

    The question is whether or not the “judgment” verse you started to cite can be seen as a blanket statement against judgment of any kind, or, is it more in keeping with the eternal judgment that is reserved exclusively for the Creator of the universe?

    With all the verses in the Bible calling us unto discernment, telling us to admonish others who are in error, and warn those who do not believe by sharing the Gospel with them, one must conclude that the type of judgment stated in Matthew 7:1-6 is not a statement meant to say that we should throw away all judgment and discernment. It is meant more to guide us towards proper discernment, admonitions, and warnings and the importance of sharing this in such a way as to help lead others towards the kingdom of God.

    One of the reasons that I think this is so is because of what Jesus says next in Matthew 7:6 –

    Mat 7:6
    Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    How would you perceive Jesus’ words here?
    Discernment?
    Judgment?
    Admonition?
    Warning?

  • Well Christine……. I think that you make an assumption about where I, and most likely many of the readers of this blog, get our information and how I form my opinions. I very rarely get any of my information from the, so called liberal, MSM. But I’ll let you in on a little secret, I’ve been to, and read the majority of the sites listed on your blogroll. When time permits I read 20 or 30 blogs a day, and the comments, if I have time. And, I don’t waste time on writers that don’t have some type of credentials (informed opinion). I don’t form my opinions quickly, because IMO truth will stand the test of time where a lie won’t.

  • BTW — If you start using Biblical references to support your argument anywhere except in a theology discussion it shows how weak your argument is in the first place.

  • Christine,

    You correct my spelling of “across” (I used two cs)… English is my second language, so an occasional misspelling is something that happens, once in a while (I still write better than I speak ). What’s *your* excuse for writing, at 28:
    […] I believe Joe W. whan he says […] ?
    Even I know how “when” is spelt…

    As for your main “beef”– that people do not engage you on issues you want to discuss (like the letter to the editor, in your first appearance)…

    Could it be that all your “issues” had nothing to do with the subject which we were discussing (Pelosi’s visit to Syria, in case you weren’t aware) before you decided to hijack the discussion? And they were all to do with practicing Repub talking points of the minute?

    Just for your edification…On the subject of Snow and Cheney, not only the blog’s author but most of the commenters as well were very, very mild and compassionate; hardly an ounce of hate in sight. Those of us less inclined to follow Jesus and turn the other cheek just bit our tongues. Why didn’t you visit us then, to congratulate us on our exemplary behaviour?

  • I try to make it a point not to feed trolls, but:

    6. I wondered if all the awful, negative things that I have been reading about, listening to, and seeing in books; on the radio; and on T.V. about liberal left radicals could possibly all be true and accurate?

    No doubt in my mind, anymore…

    Madame, you are a liar. You came here loaded for bear and with your opinions fully formed. Your post, as has been pointed out above, was apropos of nothing and designed to insult not engage. Your continued protestations of a desire for honest discussion simply adds injury to that insult.

    Chistinewjc. Christine, Whack-Job Christian.

    Don’t like the sound of that, ducky? Sue me. I disagree with your rhetoric and feel your anger and fear as I read it. You are as unpleasant as you are uninformed.

  • Or perhaps you posted here in hopes you would be named to Morbo’s “Religious Weenies” list? Crazy like a fox.

    Nope. Just crazy.

  • I guess I’m beating the dead horse here, but what is up with a lot of these really religious folks, and I’m sure our recent visitor is no exception, where their entire thinking is this binary yes/no are they a Christian? It seems their entire realm of thinking springs from this one point. I can’t imagine living in the confines of such narrow thinking.

  • Ever notice how these so-called “Christian Warriors” can never practice those things preached by the Nazarene Carpenter?

    Ever notice how these pretentious “Christian Warriors” always seem to come out of their dens on a Saturday night?

    Ever notice how these “Christian Warriors” can invent such a heinously-vituperous, vitriolic lie as “…the documentary, ‘Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West’?”—wrapped up all nice and neat in a mere few snippets of cherry-picked text—and then present is as “gospel truth?”

    It doesn’t work anymore, Chrissie. Your lies—and the lies of all boastful Xians with their “my-way-is-god’s-way” mentality—are no more powerful than an old shoe that’s been chewed by the rabid dogs of your false religion. You’ve spent so much time elevating yourself above all others that you now go about, promoting yourselves not only as the true representatives of your god, but as god itself. You scream, rant, and foist a shrill scam at all who would not heed your dire prophecies—just as your own book predicts that an invention called “the AntiChrist” would do.

    Your words are empty, and meaningless. Your hurl them at others who know better than to follow your religion of hate, ignorance, and cowardice, believing that it makes you powerful and important. All it does, however, it to further identify yourself as a fraud—and instills the belief in countless others that your god—and your dead-thing-of-a-book—are just as patently false as you are.

    You are a piteous little creature, Chrissie, and if your god was real, then you would have been smacked silly by now for the crimes you commit against your fellow creatures in the name of that god.

    But fortunately, the sun rises in the morning, and exposes to the glaring light of day the fraudulence of all who promotr a lie as truth.

    Oh my, Chrissie—what’s that I see in the East? It is the dawn, and with it comes the light of day to cast down your perpetrated fraud.

    You are so-ooo exposed….

  • Chrissie’s not even a “real” christian. Otherwise, it would have taken its rant into the Morbo’s religious-weenies thread. It’s just another anti-Pelosi shill for the Reich—and posting a photograph of a female on its website does not, by necessity, make it a female.

    In reality, it’s probably the renowned revisionist, Karl Rove, wearing pantyhose and a wig…again….

  • Christine, the comparison I made of your ostentatious faith to the Islamic extremists is because you, like them, take a thousand-years old book as the direct and unchallengeable Word of God. You brook no argument; in fact, you won’t even argue on neutral ground. And you innately believe that your faith somehow makes you better, your opinions worthier, than us and ours.

    America is not a “Christian nation,” in that we are not a theocracy.

    Get used to it. We aren’t going *anywhere.*

    The funhouse-mirror world of the delusional Right is remarkable. You never question the biases in your sources of choice, but you blanket-assume that all of us take the “liberal media” at face value.

    The “liberal media” is really the corporate media. It’s their values–culturally to the left (personal freedoms, skeptical of religion), economically to the right (unlimited profit, zero regulation), and above all what moves product and sells ad time–that you fail to recognize.

    The irony of the modern Republican coalition is that the same demagogic liars–Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Santorum, Brownshirt (Brownback), and the rest of the right-wing army–that pander to your cultural bigotry and blind hate, are financed by the corporate powers who make money off the filth that you (sometimes with justification) deplore in the virtual public square. They play you for suckers; you’re Pavlov’s zombies.

  • Add to the list of big wrongs (though this one wasn’t as loud): The Gathering of Eagles pro-war rally was “over 10,000, according to National Park Service estimates”. Number of bloggers saying “that’s according to the NPS, we’re not making this up!”

    Of course, the NPS has been out of the business of tallying and publishing official crowd numbers since the Nixon administration.

  • Leave Christine alone. She’s not a real Republican.
    Shes Just a misguided Christian.
    She doesnt know anything about AIPAC or AIE.

    Her heads to busy bowing and reading the bible to know anything about the people for which it seems she would die for.
    The Christines of the world will see the light wants the army is completely broken and the Government needs her two kids to fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people. Will see how evil the liberals are for wanting to stop the war then.

    Please Christine Google “Whats Aipac and AIE Thinktank.” and be enlightiened by who you actually support.

    Shes just lost. As the bibile says The truth shall set you free.

  • Christine: Let me show you hate in the real world.
    This is form one of the more popular Repug blogs.
    Again you should know who you support.

    Notice the racial attack. Republicans are full of slave owner mentality love for others.

    You cant make this stuff up.

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/04/obama_breaks_he.html

    Obama Breaks Heart Strings Of The Left

    Update: The early returns are in! LOL

    Matt Stoller / MyDD: Dear Senator Obama: You are NOT just an observer

    Kos / Daily Kos: Obama caves to Bush

    Richard Blair / All Spin Zone: Iraq Timeline & Chickens**t Dems – What Don’t They Understand????

    The prospect of the first chocolate President may not be tasting so sweet to the nutroots now:

    SIOUX CITY, Iowa – If President Bush vetoes an Iraq war spending bill as promised, Congress quickly will provide the money without the withdrawal timeline the White House objects to because no lawmaker “wants to play chicken with our troops,” Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) said Sunday.

    That isn’t going to sit well with the Cindy Sheehan wing of the Democrat Party. Funny how stumping in the Midwest can pull a liberal toward the center. This may also put some pressure on Hillary to get all troop supportin’ in a hurry, too. That means any Dem front runner for 08 would be agreeing to fund Bush’s war.

    And here I thought the people had spoken? ha! Maybe Pelosi just can’t hear them real clear, being in Syria and all.

  • Wow…look at the anti-right ad hominems and name calling fly! So much for the liberal ‘high road.’ Prisons are full of Democrats: minorities, the poor and the uneducated. 80% of prisons are full of 24% of the population: minorities- who are decidely Dem’s. Before you compare Christians with Satan, understand that ALL people have sin. All people sin. Just because you can point to exceptions doesn’t mean Christians don’t try to live a moral or good living type life.

    I counted over 100 hate filled names Christine has been called on this website. I don’t see anything she’s written that is half as juvenile and and hate-filled as the rhetoric that is slanted toward her religion. When Liberals can’t make a good post, they make assumptions: and 90% of the accusatory claims against Christine are simply that: ignorant assumptions masquerading as a ‘fact or point.’

    This site has more ignorant leftists than Yahoo’s old’s post and that takes some tremendous doing. My suggestion: grow a little maturity into your posts. Your vitriol is showing, Libs.

  • Nope. langx—can’t do it. Your “misguided xian” knows full well who she’s shilling for. “Misguided xians” would have started blabbering at some of the other posts that were a part of yesterday’s fare; your “friend” (maybe a relative?) locked sights and crosshairs on one specific target. She’s shilling for her “neo-savior” in the WH—and that makes her nothing more than a flipped-out, idol-worshipping trollop.

    She wants to be a tool-toy for the WH; the “e-Lewinski” for this Oval Office? Curious minds are anxious to know.

    Oh—and those “Dem front-runners” can’t cave to Bush if a pro-Bush, no-strings-attached funding bill never gets to the floor for a vote. The “few” who have the courage to stand up against the tyrant and his threats hold control of those committees—and they can hold the bills for a lo-ooong time.

    Let’s look at a timeline:

    It’s the beginning of April. There’s going to be at least 10 days for melding the two bills into one cohesive piece of legislation, another three-to-five days for debating the issues, and a day or two to vote them through. That’s at least two weeks. Add the two-week recess that’s coming up, and now you’ve gotten yourself to April 30 (today being April 2).

    Bush knows this, and he’s playing a dangerous game of Russian Roulette with his toy soldiers. He’s still sending more troops TO Iraq, knowing that the funds for bringing them home no longer exist. He is, in fact, “ENRON-ing” the Army. He’s running the ultimate pyramid scam, and it’s going to blow back on him like a bomb—in about 60 days.

    Hey. langie—if a lounge-troll such as yourself is so pro-troops, then answer me this riddle—why weren’t the media folks allowed to interview and of the troops at Walter Reed the other day? Why were they only allowed to see two empty, newly-refurbished rooms in a pristine ward? (I understand you could still smell the fresh paint in those rooms—but all the other doors were kept closed.) Tell us about Pace and his “human-shield” stunts in Baghdad. Explain where all these “safe” neighborhoods in Iraq are. Convince the common jarhead in the Green Zone that the proper way to fight a war is to sit in a heavily-fortified defensive perimeter thast’s wide open to attack from all sides (Khe Sahn is a lesson soon forgotten, I’d say).

    Go back to your slit latrine, langie….

  • Just like yours Jeff.

    “80% of prisons are full of 24% of the population: minorities- who are decidely Dem’s. ”

    Or Iraq has WMDs

    We will be greeted with flowers

    “Just because you can point to exceptions doesn’t mean Christians don’t try to live a moral or good living type life.”

    I don’t have a problem if Xtians did try to live a moral life. I have problem when they try to jam it down everyone else’s throats like Xtine’s first post. Maybe it’s your surprise that a hostile post gets a lot of return hostility.

    But then again, you don’t see us Libs chest thumping about how wonderfully sinless (yet do the same thing they rail against) we are unlike many Xtians. Like the anti-gay but very gay Ted Haggart.

  • It would seem that “Jeffie” is afraid that the big bad Dem behemoth might decide to come down into the ReThug Christofascist mud-hole, and conduct a wee bit o’ trench warfare. That perhaps they’re tired of a high road that makes then a sitting duck for the mud-spewing bile of the Reich.

    We “high-roaders” came down into your “pure” mud before, Jeffie. We kicked the Hun hiney; we kicked Adolf’s a$$—and now we’re gonna kick some Bush butt.

    Oh…and what’s that I see on the horizon? Smoke rising from the chimneys of the Administration? Locked doors on “xian” archival sites? It’s a sure sign of an enemy’s defeat, when they start shutting down academic inquiry, and begin burning their documents….

  • Christine should feel quite priveledged she was allowed to post here. A quick browse of her own blog’s comments reveals that she calls anyone who isn’t happy with her narcissistic close-minded rants a lunatic and “moderates” their comments. Maybe one day she’ll realise what the rest of the conservatives are finally realising… if you have to censor the conversation, you’ve already lost.

  • The role of the Speaker of the House (DEM or REP) does not include making foreign policy nor does it involve trying to “mend fences” with foreign countries. Foreign policy issues fall under the cognizance of the State Department not the House of Representatives or for that matter the Senate. Syria is a TERRORIST STATE and any conversation with officials from that Country must be held with the aporpriate US officials. There are reasons why the Administration, any Administration for that matter, advise all individuals attempting and/or planning to visit areas involved in acts of terrorism not to travel to those areas. Pelosi need to stick to House issues and keep her nose out of State Department business. Her visit can only create more problems for this country.

  • Christine came here to raise ire. That has been accomplished, kudos Christine. My question to you (and Jeff) is fundamental: why did you coem here to begin with again? You spouted some elation about finding a “hate” blog, why were you looking for that in the first place?
    I am a PK (Preacher Kid), and I disagree with my Dad on many theological issues however, my dad is a good man who wants to do good things fro people and I respect that. There is noone more devout than my dad. He does not subscribe to any ideology that causes death to “God’s Children”. Guess what Christine? He has forgotten more than you will ever know about the Bible and it’s lessons. I probably know more than you and I am not Christian. You can go through the Bible and find defense for any OPINION that you have. You see the Bible contradicts itself many times regarding how to treat fellow human beings. I also am a former warrior (not for Christ, for country) and I can tell you this: If you WANT to go to war, you have either never done it, or you will not be in harm’s way if it is waged. Anyone who has been in heated combat does NOT want to go back. One may feel a patriotic reason to continue, but noone in their correct mind WANTS it. These rethuglicons that you support have put young Americans into a meat grinder so that their buddies could privatize the second largest oil reserve on the planet. If you don’t believe that then you are jaded beyond repair. ref this: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0317-23.htm
    Now that is true evil. Can you see any trends with these thugs that you so blindly and vehemently follow?
    I am a recovering Republican because I had the fortitude to admit that I may have been wrong in my conclusions. But you see, Republican is not a dirty word if you think back to Honest Abe and the gang. Unfortunately, the party has been overrun by draft-dodging warmongers for profit. They absolutely depend on nuts like you waving their flags in blissful ignorance.

    I think you came here to pick a fight as an excuse to show how many Bible qoutes you know (your Deacon will be proud).
    I will pose the same question to you that I did to my dad: How do you know you’re right? and how can you call someone else’s religion wrong unless you have practiced it?

    I have practiced Christianity and I feel justified in my decision to renounce not Christianity but the fools who have seen it through jaundiced eyes and made a mockery of it.

    Now, since this thread was about Pelosi and her trip to Syria… I think that her BIPARTISAN trip there has GOOD intention and not PROFIT intention, and that is good enough for me. The sooner the US gives up on trying to run the world illegally, the better off the world and our United States will be. We have people here who have no healthcare, we have people here who go hungry, we have people here who have fought in this absurd war, and the vast and growing majority of us want our family, friends, countrymen and women to come home

  • Jeff: “80% of prisons are full of 24% of the population”

    Hmm, what percentage of the population is Christian?
    What percentage of the prison population is Christian?

    What are the same statistics for Atheists?

    You might be surprised.

  • I grant amnesty to Americans clinging to partisanship over country. You are now free to work to solve problems, you no longer need to point them out … there are plenty in queue at this time. You are free to be courteous and kind to all people. Choose a problem and stick with it – don’t stray, mix, muddle, or blame – until it is resolved. The American way is to overcome difficulties. The American way is to trust but verify, not doubt then belittle. Americans were once optimistic, believing in the goodness of man and law. I grant amnesty. Now, what will you do with this new freedom?

    I’ve seen a lot of ideas, plans, and endeavors, what I haven’t seen much of is a plan allowed to run uninhibited. You see, I have this quirky idea that goes something like this:
    We all want to get to the same place.
    We all want to get there our own way.
    We all argue about how to get there but compromise in the interest of moving sort-a forward.
    We all then complain because we haven’t gotten to that same place yet.
    I see it as simple – Allow the one in charge to make decisions, then follow.

    Everyone thinks they are the smartest person on the planet, with all the answers, and all the right passions. Reminds me of the people with 5 foot long utensils for hands/arms who starved. Also reminds me of the ones who lived because they figured out to fed each other.

    Rhetoric and spin are useful and disgusting. Useful if you use it for good …

  • The venom of the Democratic traitors on this blog is amazing! Conservatives did not steal any elections. If anything it is the accursed Marxist secularist Democrat activists who selectively winning local elections by a couple of thousand votes here and there while that silent majority living in that wide expanse of “Red” between the two fringes of secular “Blue” on either coast stupefied themselves with American Idol and other banalities instead of voting, were able to carry out a political Coup d’ Etat in November, and now have the gall to call it a “mandate”!

    What is pestilential in this day and age, more so in the face of the threat we are facing from radical Isalmofacists who are sworn in their religious fanaticism to destroy America, “The Great Satan,” and wipe Israel off the face of the earth, is how “abetting and aiding the enemy” has become for the likes of so many of you “patriotic dissent,” and how much many of you hate your country that you’d gladly be the modern equivalent of Poe’s “Red Death” in order to achieve its demise, and rejoice in it’s defeat and humiliation!

    Pelosi’s trip to Syria de facto establishing her own Foreign Policy in defiance of the official policy of the State Department, and of the President of the United States and his Administration, is an outrage! What is this deluded woman thinking?!?! Does she really believe that by her going to Damascus and having a traitorous smooch-fest with Al-Assad and his henchmen, that she will simply ask him to “please stop fueling the insurgency in Iraq so that we can pull our troops out and cut-and-run” and he will graciously simply comply with her wishes?!?!

    Pelosi’s “Dhimmini” trip of appeasement to Syria is just another Jihadist victory for Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Puppet Master pulling Syrian President Al-Assad’s strings, the Iranian despot Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

    But of course, since the Democrats have struck the term “War on Terror” from their vocabulary, obviously because in their twisted leftist view they
    don’t see us fighting such a war but only “Clintonian” sporadic localized events that in their eyes are but “Law Enforcement issues”; and since with Nancy now ushering her new American Foreign Policy in the Middle East all on her own; and with our cut-and-run defeatist “November,” “Harry Reid Congress” all but too eager to cut the funds to our troops so as to achieve achieve their political goal of ensuring our complete and utter defeat in Iraq, the humiliation of “hated” America, of the President, and of his Administration (in nothing but fulfillment of reactionary petty partisan political vengefulness for their humiliating defeats of 2000, and 2004); all we have to do is to join Madam Pelosi (the term is so wickedly appropriate since what she is running in Washington is but a political whorehouse), her fellow Democrat traitors, along with their Jihadist allies Bin Laden, Nasrallah, Ahmadinejad, and their Isalmofacist terrorists, and much as Madam Speaker is now doing with Al-Assad and his henchmen, hold hands with them and sing “Kumbayah” and we’ll all live “Happily Ever After” in their delusional peacenik “Pelosi Lululululand”! Yeah, right!

    Where is a heroic “rogue” Israeli renegade pilot when you need one to shoot this “Muntaz Pelosi” and her “Flying Luxury Palace” off the air over Damascus? Pffff !!!

    Althor

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