McCain calls bringing troops home ‘not too important’

After over a year of campaigning, you’d think John McCain would have a sense about how to talk about the war in Iraq. His support for the president’s policy, and his deeply held desire to stay the course, is, after all, his signature campaign issue.

And yet, McCain still doesn’t get it.

For those who can’t watch clips online, McCain appeared on the “Today” show this morning, and Matt Lauer noted, “A lot of people now say the surge is working.” McCain immediately interjected, “Anyone who knows the facts on the ground say that.” Lauer responded by asking, “If it’s working, senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?”

McCain said, “No, but that’s not too important. What’s important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea. Americans are in Japan. American troops are in Germany. That’s all fine.”

To be sure, McCain has made comments like these before, most notably in response to questions about his stated willingness to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years. He frequently emphasizes his belief that as long as Americans are not being killed or seriously injured in Iraq, he doesn’t much care when we leave.

But he’s usually not this clumsy and politically tone deaf. Bringing the troops home is “not too important”? For thousands of Americans in uniform and their families, nothing is more important.

In fact, everything about McCain’s bizarre worldview is misguided. First, as recently as Monday, McCain reiterated his support for an indefinite war in Iraq. Coupled with this morning’s remarks, McCain believes the U.S. presence in Iraq has no end in sight, and bringing the troops home is “not too important.”

Second, his repeated comparisons to Germany, Japan, and Korea are not just foolish, they’re bordering on absurd. The more McCain makes the argument, the dumber it sounds. (Indeed, McCain himself has said his own comparison doesn’t apply well to Iraq.)

And third, there’s the pesky detail of the growing number of Iraqi officials who used to support a long-term U.S. security presence, but who are now ready to see Americans leave.

Officials in Prime Minister Nouri Maliki’s ruling coalition are questioning whether Iraq needs a U.S. military presence even as the two countries press forward with high-pressure negotiations to determine how long American forces will remain. […]

A Western official who works closely with the Iraqi government said the wave of offensives had encouraged Maliki’s advisors to dismiss U.S. demands as not worth the price.

“When faced with the question, ‘Do we need the Americans?’ they are inclined to say, ‘No, what do we need them for? We can do just fine,’ ” said the official, who was not authorized to speak to reporters.

Haider al-Abadi, a parliament member from Maliki’s Dawa party, told the WaPo, “Maybe the Iraqi government will say: ‘Hey, the security situation is better. We don’t need any more troops in Iraq.'”

And yet, there’s John McCain, absolutely convinced that the withdrawal of U.S. troops is “not too important.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid issued a statement shortly after this morning’s interview: “McCain’s statement today that withdrawing troops doesn’t matter is a crystal clear indicator that he just doesn’t get the grave national-security consequences of staying the course – Osama bin Laden is freely plotting attacks, our efforts in Afghanistan are undermanned, and our military readiness has been dangerously diminished. We need a smart change in strategy to make America more secure, not a commitment to indefinitely keep our troops in an intractable civil war.”

Expect other Dems to weigh in with similar criticism throughout the day. For that matter, expect to hear more about McCain’s latest comments for the next five months.

Update: The McCain campaign is responding to the controversy by arguing that McCain wasn’t talking about the act of troop withdraw as being not important, rather he said when they withdraw is not important.

This sounds like a distinction without a difference. Besides, McCain thought the timing was pretty important just a few weeks ago.

I guess if he’s not interested in bringing the troops home and uses Jpan as an example, he must want to keep them there for a very long time….say maybe 100 yeats or so.

  • He really seems to think that it’s just the casualties that people care about, and that if we could just keep soldiers from getting wounded or killed (like that’s about to happen!), we’d be happy with the extended deployments, and the huge waste of money, and the idea of permanent bases to stage a move into Iran.

    He’s truly amazing in his cluelessness.

  • “He’s truly amazing in his cluelessness”

    Amazing in his cluelessness in completely misunderstanding the region and that keeping troops there on a permanent pbasis can’t be compared to Germany and Japan. We will be resented and hated as long as we have troops there. It will be a constant open wound.

    But sunnis, shiites, what’s the difference…none of that is important, either.

  • Another in the long list of ways Republicans support the troops and Democrats don’t. I assume someone IS keeping a list.

  • Can I add that there’a a huge number of Americans that don’t like American troops being in Japan or Germany, either?
    The Soviet threat has been gone for almost 20 years, what the hell are they doing there?
    The South Korean situation is different, since Kim Jong Nutbag is still in power (and smarter, but not crazier than Bush), so I grudgingly understand that.

    Just sayin’…

  • Sounds like McCain might be taking his cue from his buddy Dick “Go Fuck Yourself” Cheney, who he can’t decide is an asset or a liability…

    In 2006, McCain said

    “I will strongly assert to you that [Dick Cheney] has been of enormous help to this president of the United States.”

    When asked if he’d be interested in Cheney as VP, had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said:

    “I don’t know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah.”

    So McCain would keep Cheney around, not as VP, but to “serve in other capacities” in a McCain administration. So one would assume that he thinks pretty highly of Cheney. But of course Mr “Straight Talk” knows that Cheney is the political equivalent of toxic waste, so he flipflops in January of 2007 and says that President Bush has “been very badly served by both the vice president and, most of all, [former] Secretary of Defense” Donald Rumsfeld.

    So which is it, John? Would you keep Cheney around, or did he “very badly” serve the president?

    Or did Dick Cheney somehow serve “very badly” and still manage to be “of enormous help”?

    Or were you once again pandering to your base and then trying to avoid the ire of the American people, who are sick and tired of your friends Bush and Cheney?

  • McWar-Without-End-Amen (darn—does that sound too jihad-ish? I can never tell…) is in line with his Bushylvanian masters on this one. “Bring the troops home” is a 180-degree, polar opposite to their desire for 80-some-odd permanent US bases on Iraqi soil. Add to that the military concept that a permanent foreign base in a “zone of hostility” would, by sheer tactical default, require the placement of at least a full brigade per base, and one can only wonder where in Baghdad Bob these idiots would find the equivalent of 80-some-odd US combat brigades.

    Here’s the simple math: 3 combat brigades would equal what we used to think of as a combat division—10,000 troops. Divide 80 by 3, and you get roughly 267,000 combat troops. For every combat soldier, you need a bare minimum of 2 support personnel—and that’s in peace-time. In a “zone of hostility,” that jumps to 3 per 1—or an additional 801,000 individuals.

    Are these insane mongrels really trying to present the need for an Iraqi Expeditionary Force of roughly 1,068,000 troops? That’s not a “peace-keeping” force. You don’t need that many soldiers in Iraq unless you’re planning to do one thing, and one thing only:

    Launch a full-scale invasion of Iran.

  • Anyone who knows the facts on the ground…

    Is ‘facts on the ground’ some sort of GOP code for something? I just don’t get why the facts on the ground are different than the facts in the air, or on the sea, or in my car. Facts are facts.

  • His rationale, that we maintain troops in Germany and Japan, ought to lead to the question of why we still have troops there. World War II ended more than sixty years ago. Our sprawling, global military presence ought to be questioned. Not used to justify more of it.

    Yes, of course I know that’s heresy.

  • It’s not too important because he needs them there for his attack on Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. McIran will follow Bushit into hell where they are both headed. Nauseating…

  • What is so ironic is that Mccain honestly thinks he’s “hit it out of the
    park” with both the 100 years statement and today’s classic. He’s trying to show how confident he is in his policy positions by making tough-guy pronouncements that are clearly at odds with public sentiment. It’s the Bush-style “you may disagree with me, but at least you know where I stand.” approach.

    This approach worked great in 2000 and 2004, and gave Bush his reputation as
    a “decisive” leader. But now, Americans see that Bush is a stubborn fool,
    who refuses to admit his catastrophic mistakes. You’d think that Mccain
    would have realized this too. I guess he’s too busy taking advice from Rove.

    What an idiot.

  • Bringing the troops home means the DFH’s were right.
    And the DFH’s can never be right.
    Which means the troops can never come home.

  • The facts on the ground in Iraq according to McStain: The streets are perfectly safe.

    If you have a couple of platoons guarding your front, sides and back.

    What a creep. I wonder how the GOP plans to “misplace” all of the votes filed by soldiers in the sandbox.

  • I am sure the soldiers and Marines stationed in Iraq wish Iraq was like South Korea and Germany. Seriously when are people (I am talking to you Lauer) going to call McCain on this shit? For God’s sake equating Iraq with Germany in South Korea is so obviously wrong I don’t even know where to start. And if McCain truly believes that and I think he does, we don’t need another president completely out of touch with reality.

    BTW, I am sure that troops are glad to know that bring them home is not that important. While I am not sure he meant that as it sounded, many may not see it that way especially in light of the rest of the interview.

  • “Not important”?

    God, we couldn’t have been gifted an easier opponent this election year, whether it’s on Iraq, the economy or healthcare.

    We can’t afford to screw this one up now!

  • We are seeking to establish exactly 58 bases in Iraq.

    So obviously we need troops to fill ’em up for a hundred years, right?

  • It drives me nuts that McCain thinks that it’s the injuries and deaths of American soldiers that are fueling the opposition to this war. Certainly that’s part of it but along with that is the fact that we were lied to to get us into the war, the facts once we were there disproved the justification for the war, and the post invasion operations were incompletely planned for and incompetently executed. They don’t get that the public never would have allowed the war to happen if the full truth were known and, now that we do, we don’t want to be there any longer than we have to be. Just because we *can* leave troops there like we do in Germany that doesn’t meant that we *should* and the public *wants* that to happen. As yet, they haven’t given us a reason why we should have a permanent troop presence in Iraq and, given that the Iraqs don’t seem keen on the idea and that things seem to be settling down security wise, there appears to be less and less reason to leave troops there every day.

  • Can you imagine even one serviceman being killed in Japan? The outrage would pour forth. People would be demanding that we get out of Japan. Economic sanctions would be called for. And if we had one IED explode in Pasadena there would be a national uproar. Relativism is even stranger than Einstein thought.

  • 58, divided by 3, times 10,000, times 4…my mistake, Ohioan, it’ll only be around 800,000 troops. That only qualifies for a McBleed-America-Dry “surge” of 670,000 troops. My bad.

    But I do wonder where he plans to get 670,000 more human sacrifices for his altar of endless blood-letting “volunteers” for his “carpet-shopping excursions….”

  • This is why I am hopeful that McCain’s 45% polling numbers are about as high as he will get. This level of tone-deaf replies, his near daily ‘senior’ moments (President Putin of Germany). Even the powerful constituency he has in the MSM can’t keep covering for him indefinately.

  • I wonder if anyone has seen the 32 propaganda tapes that McCain made for the North Vietnamese, I understand they are locked away in the Pentagon, however there has been testimony from fellow POW’s that were with him in Viet Nam, they apparently say he is not to be trusted, I think they can still be found on the internet.We should be able to find out what is in the hundreds of thousands of pages of findings on the Abramoff investigation that McCain blocked from the public, he was apparently in the thick of the corruption.Much of his part in it was about the sale of public land and the Indian tribes. JS

  • Anyone who knows the facts on the ground…

    Yeah, facts like generals riding around in “unarmed humvees”.

    McDimwit seems to think that assertions can be made into facts if you repeat them enough times. Can someone ask McDimwit when he plans to go shopping in Baghdad again?

  • Steve, volunteers are so yesterday.

    There are currently more Blackwater “operatives” in Iraq than US Military. Blackwater “operatives” make 3-5x what a soldier makes – which does not include what Eric Prince gets for himself and their shareholders.

    And ever single one of us pays the Blackwater’s, KBR’s, Dynacorp’s in US Treasury funds. Corporate welfare. And then they offshore the corporation and payroll so they minimize the taxes they pay back to the government.

    Volunteers are pawns. They are objects less than human. They are treated like shit in their bases (where some are worse than a Chicago project), they come home to lack of healthcare, blocking of healthcare, excruciatingly high suicide rates, they shoot themselves so they don’t have to return or be stop lossed (not that that matters) – and then Bush threatens a veto of GI Benefits and a measly 3.9% raise.

    Good old Gooper values. Steal OUR money and regift it to his pals. And screw everyone.

    Not important? SCREW YOU, MCCAIN. Maybe you need to revisit your Vietnamese hotel experience. Methinks you have forgotten more than you ever knew.

  • Wow, the gaffe-amatic candidate strikes again. Can anyone imagine a Dem being able to say this? I hope Obama raises this again and again, and I have every reason to think he will.

    John McCain: Your retirement is too secure as it is, don’t you think?
    John McCain: Can’t poor sick children just get a job already?
    John McCain supporting our troops by keeping them uneducated.
    Why do I put these links in all of my comments? Click Here.

  • He’s even losing votes in the military with this sort of stupidity, since those who have been there know far better than he what the cost of his moron stupidity is.

    The Iraqi parliament is set to throw out the “status of forces” agreemenmt Bush is trying to forced down their throats, with 58 American bases in Iraw forever.

    It’s going to be nice when the Iraqis ask the US to get the hell out.

  • #20 Steve: “…altar of endless blood-letting …”

    No need for the strikethrough, Steve. That’s about as true a characterization as any.

  • Not with you here, CB

    McCain is simply stating that if American troops weren’t taking casualties, getting them home would not be so important to our citizenry.

    He’s right.

    That said…

    1. Troops are getting killed in Iraq.
    2. ????
    3. Profit! Innocuous, indefinite troop placement in Iraq.

    Just more Underpants Gnome planning.
    Problem is… this year, the people seem to have grown a taste for reality over wishful thinking and the poor guy is having a helluva time switching gears.

  • I’ll personally remind McCain of that statement the next time my brother, one of his platoon mates, or another one of my friends comes home in a body bag from that godforsaken hellhole.

    This makes me so angry I can’t see straight.

  • Doesnt anyone commenting care about anyone else besides themselves? The men and women over there are risking and sacrificing their lives for YOUR freedom and the chance that other people in the world can have that same right. There’s no draft these days, the soilders over there signed up themselves (with the knowledge that they may have had to go to war). Remember all the kids, and I mean kids, who put their lives on hold, and died, in WWII for that same freedom that gives you the right to sit there and whine and cry about war and everything else? NEWSFLASH: nobody likes war, but its inevitable. Obama wants the pull the troops – he does that and Fascist Islam stomps all over the place – where do you think they are going next? America. He also wants to negotiate with IRAN, the same country that chants death to America and wants to nuke us… get with the facts people. Radical groups and countries want to destroy us and our country, do you think they’re going to spare you because you think war is wrong and want “world peace”

  • An anecdote: My hairdresser and I talked about the election a little bit yesterday. She’s in her 30’s, has young kids. She can’t stand the Clintons, likes Obama OK, and her final comment was reserved for McCain: He’s for the war. And she wasn’t pleased about it.

    This issue is going to bite him big time.

  • There is alot of concern that the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and Strategic Framework Agreement proposed for Iraq will bind the hands of the next President.

    The Bushites claim this is not so.

    And so they will claim, right until President Obama starts to bring Americans home, at which point the Bushites and their running dog Pundits will claim that the Democrats are abandoning our ‘Allies’ and our ‘Sacred Trust’ to the Iraqi people (which didn’t need Senate approval because it wasn’t a treaty thank you).

    As others have pointed out, Americans want us out of Iraq because:
    Our Troops are dying,
    Our Troops (and contractors) are killing and raping both Iraqis and Americans,
    Our Military is degrading (especially the Army),
    Our Reputation is ruined,
    The People of Iraq who are worthy of support want us out,
    The politicians we are supporting by staying in aren’t worthy of our support,
    It costs FAR too much to be there,
    And we are paying for it on our People’s Army Bank of Beijing Credit Card.

  • Jason said: “Doesn’t anyone commenting care about anyone else besides themselves? The men and women over there are risking and sacrificing their lives for YOUR freedom and the chance that other people in the world can have that same right.”

    We care enough about the troops to get them out of a situation that they ought not to be in. You care only enough to cheer them on as they die for a cause you wouldn’t be willing to pay more taxes for. Hell, you wouldn’t even agree to have Warren Buffet and Bill Gates pay more taxes for this war.

    You call that supporting the troops. I don’t.

  • You also gotta love how Mr. “Trust me on the economy,” thinks that Americans don’t care about the financial cost of this shindig. I guess if we just cut taxes for the upper-upper class and eliminate “entitlement” programs that multi-trillion dollar deficit will just melt away.

    tAiO

    P.S. Jason is a worse spoof than Mary.

  • I think Jason had too many “freedom dogs” at his Memorial Day barbeque.

    McCain’s gaffes are going to become legendary. It’ll be like Yogi Berra, except scary.

    I’ll say this about Arizona and Texas’ finest-“It’s like deja vu, all over again.”

    Another applicable quote. -Fill in your favorite right wing nut-job:

    On a trip to Cooperstown, to attend a dinner, Phil Rizzuto (_____) commented to Yogi (_____), “I think we’re lost.” To which Yogi (_______) responded, “Yeah, but we’re making great time.”

  • I also care about the “troops” (whether my son was in the Army or not – which he is) – However, no one seems to be mentioning what spending (a minimum of) $10 billion a month is doing to our economy. I guess it is like the whole Bush administration – there is so much corruption and incompetence that we get blind to it.

  • McCain didn’t even hear the question. He had a talking point to present and zipped right to it before he forgot.

  • Jason,

    Time for Billy Goat Gruff

    Could you please cite where the entity “Fascist Islam” exists using available intelligence documents, news stories, or DOD documents? If you mean AQI, they are Sunnis and are being decimated by the Shia. If you mean the Shia, supposedly they are our friends, except for the ones that aren’t, of course. I doubt that there is a vast Muslim conspiracy out there, but if you have some verified proof, I’d love to hear it. No one else seems to have verifiable evidence of large numbers of troops just waiting to come over here and conquer the US.

    On the other hand, I seem to remember a country that voiced sentiments similar to “Death to America” (except they said “We will bury you”), threaten us with atomic weapons and had the means to deliver them. I think it was called the Soviet Union. If I recall correctly, a president named Ronald Reagan managed to deal with that situation by negotiating directly with them. On the other hand, another president failed to negotiate with another hostile nuclear power (also with delivery systems) and now they are an even greater danger to our allies and some of our troops.

    I would like to know how the jack-booted Islamic Fascists will be able to get to the US and then take over as you imply. I suspect you are indulging in hyperbole for the sake of making your point – what ever that is.

    If you are talking about groups such as Al Quaeda, then I agree, we should go after them. Except that the majority of those who are planning the attacks on the US are in Afghanistan and Pakistan where those geniuses in the White house decided was not as important as Iraq or Iran. We need to pull out of Iraq and go after the real villians instead of letting them set up camp and fester outside of our sphere of influence.

    I say this as a thirty year veteran of the Army who has seen combat in Iraq. We are in the wrong place! I suspect that you either have not served or was not paying attention when you did.

    Please back up you statements with facts.

  • I have a feeling that Jason is yet another “Yellow Elephant.”
    No, I won’t go to his site to find out, I find stupidity painful.
    Question: How does occupying a mid-east country protect my freedom?
    Paraphrasing Jason: Screw the troops, they knew what they were getting into when they volunteered!
    Question: Did Iraq attack us, or delcare war on us as was the case with Japan & Germany in WWII?
    One more Jason Paraphrase: I’m peeing in my pants ’cause of those scary people, and you should be, too!

  • I AM the candidate of change…

    I’ll change my positions on any issue to adjust to political expediency.

  • …IRAN, the same country that chants death to America… -Jason

    Radical groups and countries want to destroy us and our country… -Jason

    Do you not see the irony inherent in your ignorance? You are the one who wants to attack and kill people. For every idiot like you in the US there is a counterpart somewhere else in the world who thinks that ‘radical groups’ want to destroy their country.

    And they’re talking about you.

    And they’re right.

    You’re a fascist bigot, not an American.

  • Jason @ 30 said:

    “Radical groups… want to destroy us and our country”

    I agree Jason – you republicans (radical group) are doing a hell of a good job of destroying us!

  • rather he said when they withdraw is not important.

    Go, Johnny, go! War, war, war – keeping talking about it, presenting it, bringing it up every chance you get. Make certain every single voter gets to hear you talk about nothing but war.

    The Democrats will take it from there.

    NEWSFLASH: nobody likes war, but its inevitable.

    Behold, it is groupthink at its absolute very worst, with an overdose of irony. In just seven short words, the mindset of the chickenhawk is exposed in its raw, simplistic form. I can’t decide which is worse: the brain damaged victims of Murdoch’s propaganda factories, or that these same poor bastards retain the right to vote.

  • Since my father spent 35 years in the Air Force (I was born after he’d been in for 10), and my husband has been in for 23 years, my brother has been in for 26, my brother-in-law retired after 24, another brother-in-law has served 16 years in the Marine Corps, another brother-in-law served 6 years Marines before switching to the Air National Guard for 20 years, my sister-in-law graduated from the Air Force Academy and served 6 years, a niece who served 6 years (her husband is currently in his 10th year), a nephew in his 7th year, a niece and her husband in their 3rd year, a nephew in his 4th year Navy, a son-in-law in his 7th year Air Force, and a daughter and her husband in their 3rd year Air Force, I would like to suggest that before you attack how the military is treated and by whom that you might want to talk to those who serve. And before you ask, everyone of my family members currently serving (that would be 9) have been deployed at least once in support of this war, most of them twice, for six or more months at a time. They have all deployed willingly to Iraq and Afghanistan, knowing what they sacrifice at home and that their sacrifices have resulted in progress and help for those who cannot seem to muster the courage and strength to help themselves. They know this because they have almost all had contact with the local peoples. I have heard from MY FAMILY members that in conversation with locals there is a FEAR that we will leave and that their country will dissolve into nonstop violence from their own against their own and from others in the region. When the country is ready to handle itself within its own borders and without, we will come home. Assuming the Iraqi and Afghani governments want us to. We are still in Germany and Korea and Japan because those countries WANT us there.

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