McCain claims to ‘know how to win wars’

John McCain hasn’t spent much time talking about Afghanistan during the presidential campaign, but now that “other” war is deteriorating, the Republican candidate has discovered his new-found interest in the conflict.

Republican John McCain said Tuesday he knows “how to win wars” and that the strategy of increasing troop levels in Iraq should also be applied to Afghanistan. […]

McCain has described Obama’s call for withdrawal from Iraq as tantamount to declaring defeat and points to the lower levels of violence in Iraq as evidence that sending additional U.S. troops there has been a successful strategy.

“Sen. Obama will tell you we can’t win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards,” McCain told a town hall meeting. “It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.”

In other words, McCain’s new policy on Afghanistan — I say “new” because up until now, he hasn’t actually articulated a policy on Afghanistan — can be summarized this way: “Just do what we’ve been doing in Iraq.” Seriously. That’s the policy.

This, of course, doesn’t make any sense. The wars are entirely different. The causes of violence are completely different. The competing factions are completely different. Oh, and by the way, Iraq hasn’t gone especially well.

McCain seemed particularly fond of this line from his speech: “I know how to win wars.” Now, with all due respect to the senator’s military service, what is it, exactly, that leads McCain to think he has this knowledge? McCain hasn’t, you know, actually won any wars.

My suspicion is, McCain means he endorsed the surge, the surge led to victory in Iraq, and if he can just bring more surges to more countries, American would keep winning. In other words, when McCain says he knows “how to win wars,” he means he’s concluded, “Surges = Victories.”

It simply never occurred to me that the Republican Party would nominate another presidential candidate as sophomoric and confused as George W. Bush. It just didn’t seem possible.

And yet, here we are.

McCain argued today, “Just as we have worked over the past 18 months to stabilize Iraq by bringing together its neighbors, this kind of diplomacy is just as important for Afghanistan.”

I hope someone can help me out with this one. I like to think I keep up fairly well on current events, but I don’t quite recall the period in which we “brought together” Iraq’s neighbors. For that matter, I’m still looking for this “stabilized” Iraq.

The fall-out-of-the-chair moment, however, came when McCain insisted, Obama “has no strategy…. All he has done is say we need more troops.”

I see. So, what’s McCain’s strategy? We need more troops — and an Afghanistan czar.

There was also this gem:

“[U]nderstand this, when I am commander in chief, there will be nowhere the terrorists can run and nowhere they can hide,” he said.

Unless, of course, the terrorists hide in Pakistan. In that case, McCain even talking about possibly pursuing terrorists is reckless and irresponsible. And it’s not as if there are any terrorists hiding in the mountains of Pakistan, right?

Patrick Barry summarized the situation nicely.

John McCain fancies himself an expert on national security, but looking at his policy for Afghanistan … I just don’t understand how he can still make that claim with a straight face. It should be clear to anyone who follows this issue or cares about the threat that instability in Afghanistan poses to Americans, that John McCain’s policy is an absolute sham.

As is McCain’s reputation for competence.

I would’ve won every war I’ve been in.

  • Well of course we can simply surge to victory in Afghanistan without that radical Obama’s drawdown (that is, surrender) in Iraq. We’ll just send troops from Camp, um. . .er, Fort um. . . from the reserve in, um. . . well, from the outpost in. . . where are all those troops, anyway? Damn Clinton ruined our military!

    And about that Afghan Czar: would we hear from/about them as often as the Iraq czar?

    Finally, if McCain is going to go around insisting that he has personal knowledge of how to win wars, can we re-deploy Gen Clark to point out that riding in an airplane and being shot down does not make one an expert at winning wars?

  • John McCain is a gigantic phony. How much fighting did he actually do in Viet Nam? Not much. Wes Clark did a helluva lot more and he was crucified for even question John McCain’s judgment. His is also, like you said Steve, a sophomoric and retrograde excuse for a candidate. He thinks were still in the 20th Century. If he gets elected we are doomed.

  • It’s common knowledge among Pentagon insiders that McCain actually directed the war in Vietnam from his suite at the Hanoi Hilton. He showed us than that he knows how to win…
    uh, wait a minute. Did we win that war?

  • Maybe McCain’s a big fan of the board game Axis and Allies and that’s what he was talking about — which, if true, means I’ve won tons of wars as well.

    It’s gotta be that, or maybe Risk, perhaps Stratego … I dunno, but it’s gotta be something since, last I checked, we didn’t exactly win in Vietnam.

  • well heck, if its Stratego I’ve been highly qualified to be C-in-C since I was a kid. I’d still playing him, winner takes the Oval Office! (Risk I was never quite as good at. . .)

  • Could we please dispense with all polemics and just elect McCain to put the final nail in the coffin of what was once a great nation. We deserve nothing more.

  • The more McCain talks the more it is obvious that his candidacy is Bush 2.0. The sad thing is that his strategy of using new words to describe old things is working on the press.

  • Why don’t we just storm a bunch of beaches in Afghanistan? That worked pretty well against the Japanese so why wouldn’t it work there? And if there aren’t any beaches we could hire Haliburton to build them before we storm them.

  • McCain seemed particularly fond of this line from his speech: “I know how to win wars.” Now, with all due respect to the senator’s military service, what is it, exactly, that leads McCain to think he has this knowledge?

    How dare you denigrate John McCain’s military service! He’s a hero and stuff! For shame!

    Ahem – McCain may or may not actually believe the manure that he’s spreading around. But he certainly knows a good soundbite and he knows where he’s polling strong. His strength is that people think his military experience counts for something in the current mess we’re in, and repeating the sentence “I know how to win wars” re-emphasizes that point. And since he knows that the perfectly reasonable question of “what makes you think you’re qualified to make that statement” will be shouted down BY THE PRESS with accusations of denigrating the man’s military service, he can just worry about getting the catchphrase picked up by the press and not worry at all about ever having to explain it.

  • …knows how to win wars….

    Checkers, maybe. Possibly a not-too-aggressive “go fish” tournament. Bingo, in the outbound ward of a hopsice, maybe.

    But wars?

    Are we sure that this guy wasn’t really one of those—whaddaya call ’em—aimchair POWS?!?

    Note to McCain—you got shot down on your 23rd mission, fool. That’s not winning….

  • McCain said:

    I won’t bluster and I won’t make idle threats. But understand this, when I am commander in chief, there will be nowhere the terrorists can run and nowhere they can hide,”

    Didn’t you just bluster out and idle threat???

    “Sen. Obama will tell you we can’t win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards,”

    Right, he should say, “We can’t win in Iraq without losing in Afghanistan.”

    Can we put a nail in McCain’s coffin so that he can’t come back from the dead again?

  • Perhaps it’s a shout-out to people who still think we could’ve won in Vietnam if those DFHs hadn’t ruined everything.

    No, that’s too focused a tactic to be McCain’s. Perhaps he thinks we did win in Vietnam and his legendary heroism as a POW cinched the deal.

  • Checkers, maybe. Possibly a not-too-aggressive “go fish” tournament. Bingo, in the outbound ward of a hopsice, maybe.

    U sm artmouthed punk. I know hwo t o play solit a ire online. CIndy sets it u p for me &off I go.

  • McCain probably defines “winning” the Iraq war as staying in Iraq. He has a plan to do that, for a hundred years if necessary, in which case he’s got the same view of history as Bush does; namely that they can screw any number of pooches as many ways as they like, fully confident that historians in future years will say they were good leaders.

    Screw you, America. Someday a historian will tell your grandkids what a great man I was.

    And one more thing, I’m sure his media buddies will tell us that crashing airplanes (lots of them) and being captured by the enemy does indeed teach a real manly man how to win wars.

  • McCain coulda endorsed Kerry, became Veep and had a meaningful role in cleaning up the mess in Iraq.

    He chose to embrace the utterly incompetent GWB, enabling every bad decision, Bush made from that point out.

    McCain’s time has past.

  • ” I hope someone can help me out with this one. I like to think I keep up fairly well on current events, but I don’t quite recall the period in which we “brought together” Iraq’s neighbors.”

    While I can’t say for certain this is what was being referred to, there was an international conference on Iraq in May 2007. That does fit in the 18 month window.

    I can’t help you on the stabilized Iraq thing…..

  • I know how to win wars; by getting shot down and tortured! Yep, that’s how you win the war! Now let’s talk about the war on drugs! Um, drugs are bad, mkay? Now how about the war on terror?! We’re winning the war on terror by creating more terrorists and thus winning, see?

    What a putz!

  • John McCaint and I lost the same war.
    Well, it wasn’t really a “war.”

    But we lost it…him in a POW camp, me in an air-conditioned trailer on a mountain-top overlooking the South China Sea

    But John McCaint has NOT won any war to my knowledge, so how he can say he knows how to win wars is risible.

    He was not in either Panama or Grenada, the only two recent USer military adventures which ‘we’ could plausibly claim to have won. And he never served in the Contras, iirc…

    To say nothing of the fact that in the war in which he so disastrously participated, he was a low-level bombing baby killer.

  • Ja-heezius Christ! Haven’t we had enough of presidents who “know how to win wars?” If you claim that you “know how to win wars” doesn’t that make you more likely to get the US involved in them? And more likely to “stay the course?” Could McCain have possibly uttered anything more preposterous than “I know how to win wars?”

    And every time this crusty fuck starts talking about deploying more troops, I just want to say: “Oh yeah? You and whose army?” My guess is Blackwater’s.

  • Also, I can get through Medal of Honor: Frontline on PlayStation2 in about six hours. Does that mean I know how to win wars?

  • And every time this crusty fuck starts talking about deploying more troops, I just want to say: “Oh yeah? You and whose army?” My guess is Blackwater’s.

    if it is, then the war’s moved to the homefront and the enemy-r-us, cuz blackwater and the rest of the private ‘security’ apparati, are i believe being prepared to become the military arm of the Heimatssicherheitsamt, our own private NKVD…

  • Am I having a McCain moment here? Did I just forget the wars he’s won, like he forgets that Czechoslovakia hasn’t existed lately, or the Shia aren’t Sunni, or his favorite football team fondly recalled a dozen times isn’t his favorite football team, or I was married to the mother of his three children when he was dating a cute blonde heiress half my age, or that he took (as of this writing) 48 clear positions on the record before he flipped to the opposite position, or that he neglected to support and vote for the bill to support veterans although now I take credit for it, or that he criticizes Obama for not supporting bills he failed to vote for himself? Oopsies.

  • How to win wars, John McCain style, in seven steps:

    First, graduate in the bottom 1% of your class at the Naval Academy.
    Second, get your Naval “wings.”
    Third, crash three Naval jet-fighters during training.
    Fourth, be involved in an aircraft carrier fire in which over one hundred sailors died.
    Fifth, try to bomb a Vietnamese power plant, which is a war crime.
    Sixth, get shot down and captured and be held for five and a half years as a POW.
    Seventh, get released, come home, dump your disfigured, but loyal wife, and then marry a beer heiress almost twenty years younger.

    Now you can assert that you “know how to win wars”…

  • McCain would have won in Southeast Asia too, if the Vietnamese had not had that cowardly policy of not letting him win.

  • Obama might BUY the DNC and Mile High Stadium — but he can’t BUY “middle of the road”! THIS SMALL-TOWN, MIDDLE-CLASS, BLUE COLLAR WORKER KNOWS WHAT BHO IS!

    TOWN HALL MEETINGS vs PREPARED SPEECHES

    The reason BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA REFUSES TOWN HALL MEETINGS is because Obama does better dancing around the crowds with “PREPARED” speeches and teleprompters, where he doesn’t have to answer American people’s concerns or “unprepared” questions. OBAMA IS ONLY A PREACHER (OR DICTATOR).

    JOHN McCAIN prefers TOWN HALL MEETINGS because the PEOPLE OF AMERICA will have a chance to ask questions that concern them and they need to get some answers.

    Candidates get closer to hear the people’s needs. UNPREPARED QUESTIONS — UNPREPARED ANSWERS.

    It’s a no-brainer: McCAIN IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

  • McCain would have won in Southeast Asia too, if the Vietnamese had not had that cowardly policy of not letting him win.

    At first I thought you were doing Scooby Doo. “And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for you meddlesome Vietnamese kids!”

  • Everyone’s being unfair with poor Senator McCain. Don’t any of you remember the hard-fought war he waged to victory to liberate and reunite Czechoslobakia…?

  • The only “no-brainer” around here is you, “WIO?” When will you Thuglican trolls learn that ALL CAPS doesn’t make your case stronger, but merely signals you severely limited mental capacity and complete lack of persuasive skills. Oooze back under that rock, won’t you? That’s a good boy.

  • Oh, by the by: does anyone think “WIO” is a “small-town, middle-class, blue collar worker”? One who knows when and when not to hyphenate? I say he/she is a community college student/McCain intern logging on from a Starbucks in Virginia making seventy-five cents per post. Or maybe McCain’s finally learned how to internet.

  • It’s a no-brainer: McCAIN IS THE RIGHT MAN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

    Excellent classification.

  • U sm artmouthed punk. I know hwo t o play solit a ire online. CIndy sets it u p for me &off I go.

    Yeah—and Cindy tells me every night—after you fall asleep face-down in your bowl of hashish-laced Metamucil—that you lose every time within the first five moves.

    You snore like a drunken hog, by the way.

  • Dear phony SMALL-TOWN, MIDDLE-CLASS, BLUE COLLAR WORKER,

    I am going to foreclose on your house, repossess your car, outsource your job to a deranged Malaysian in a Chinese forced-labor camp, take away your children’s health-care, keep secret files on your wife, sell your dog to a hungry homeless Soviet who thinks he’s really a Czechoslovakian so I can prove that there is such a thing as Czechoslovakia, and make you fight my hundred-year war with worthless body armor and 40-year-old Bulgarian ammunition.

    Sincerely,

    John McBush.

  • […] McCain means he endorsed the surge, the surge led to victory in Iraq, and if he can just bring more surges to more countries, American would keep winning. In other words, when McCain says he knows “how to win wars,” he means he’s concluded, “Surges = Victories.” — CB

    The idea is… um… electrifying, in an out of the (fuse) box way.

    Surge, surge, surge away,
    Boldly ‘cross the world.
    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
    McCain’s plans unfold.

  • So let me get this right. The surge has ‘worked’ because of an overwhelming presence of troops in the areas of most concern. First off, isn’t this exactly what the military commanders told Bush and Cheney before they went to war in Iraq? The neocons said that this was ridiculous and a short, sharp ‘shock and awe’ campaign would do the job.

    So basically, Bush and McCain want to take credit for taking up a strategy that was suggested to them 5 years ago and they rejected.

    Secondly, what happens as soon as the surge is drawn down? Because the underlying reasons for the fighting have not been addressed – broadly Sunni vs Shia tensions plus anti-Americanism – as soon as there is anything less than overpowering force in place, it’s back to bloody business as usual.

    So when McCain says he ‘knows how to win wars’, I’d like him to articulate (I use the term very loosely) exactly how this would be achieved. The surge temporarily suppresses violence (wow! who knew?), but what happens after that? Tell me Uncle John, so that I may learn.

    Meanwhile – apart from the fact that there are no troops left to successfully prosecute a war in Afghanistan – it would be impossible to root out either al Qaeda or the Taleban because of the safe havens that the Pakistani government has negotiated for them. They simply retreat and reorganize whenever threatened to their Pakistan ‘safe zones’ and come back again.

    And as Rachel Maddow has pointed out, the US is giving billions of dollars to the Pakistani government to keep them onside so they do things like…ummm….create safe zones for al Qaeda and the Taleban.

  • Who Is Obama…aka “Stupid.”

    McCain, and Republicans in general, luuuuuuvs them their “town-hall” meetings. It’s so easy for them to get plants in there to throw them softball questions, not to mention oppo-plants who will viciously attack the competition in an attempt to catch them off guard. One off-guard momentary pause on Obama’s part after being asked a question so insulting & racist and derogatory that decorum dictates he not say anything lest he tear the guy a new asshole, will be considered a “victory” among stupid people like you.

    Keep scoring them McCain points. Just try not to be so stupid while you do it. It actually costs you McCain points, and then you’ll never earn enough of them to earn a “Schrute buck.”

  • “I know how to win wars?”

    How stupid does he think we are? What experienced candidate would make that kind of remark and not back it up? Let’s hope the press does their homework and grill him for making such a careless remark.

  • I don’t know how to win a war, but I know what it would take to win a war…..
    It would take everything we got. We haven’t won a war since WWII. It takes a lot to win a war; our athletes would quit and go fight, our college students would leave school or after they graduate, would enlist. In WWII judges retired, teachers left teaching, etc. etc. etc.
    We can’t win a war unless, in huge numbers, we decide that America is worth offering our ultimate sacrifice. We aren’t going to do that. Our President did not do that, our Vice President did not do that. We won’t do that.

  • What a one sided biased article. What about Obama’s flip flops about the war, which I’ve seen documented on video tape all over the news. You see, the news itself flip flops a lot. One week we have to worry about terrorist attacks, and terrorist countries stopping the flow of oil, and starving our economy … and, the next week when everything looks ok, the far left liberals crawl out of the wood work to give the false impression that all threats to this country are fabricated.

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