McCain compounds al Qaeda gaffe by repeating for a fourth time

When John McCain got confused yesterday about Sunni and Shiite, Iran and al Qaeda, his campaign issued a statement insisting that McCain “misspoke and immediately corrected himself.”

The explanation is far less plausible when McCain makes the same mistake and pushes the same bogus argument four times in two days.

This time, in a statement from his campaign honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:

“Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated.”

For those keeping score at home, McCain 1) made the claim on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show; 2) repeated the claim at a press conference in Jordan; 3) repeated the claim again at the same event (before Joe Lieberman whispered in his ear that he was wrong); and 4) in a written statement. He “misspoke”? Hardly.

Now, readers may wonder whether it’s worth piling on like this, and raising such a fuss about McCain’s confusion regarding Middle East 101. But I’d argue that this is receiving too little attention.

As Ilan Goldenberg explained, “This is a man who thinks it’s OK for us to leave a troop presence in Iraq for 100 years. He thinks that Iraq is the central struggle of our day. He thinks that all of our other interests should be subverted to sticking it out in Iraq. He is running on his foreign policy experience. Yet he doesn’t even understand who we are fighting. Is this the person we want answering the phone at 3 in the morning?”

And as for the media, NBC News’ Chuck Todd conceded this morning, “[H]ad Clinton or Obama done something like this, this would have been played on a loop, over and over.”

Media Matters had a good item today about the coverage.

And how have the media responded? Has there been wall-to-wall coverage on this major foreign policy gaffe by a politician that claims to be “ready from day one,” according to his campaign website? Hardly. As NBC News political director Chuck Todd observed, “[H]ad Clinton or Obama done something like this, this would have been played on a loop, over and over.” Some reports even offered possible excuses for McCain. In a post on his Political Punch blog, ABC News’ Jake Tapper wondered, “Jet lag?” after noting Lieberman’s correction of McCain.

“It looks like that BBQ for the press paid off,” said Karl Frisch, a spokesman for Media Matters for America and a former staffer on McCain’s 2000 presidential campaign. “What exactly is it going to take for the media to treat Sen. McCain like any other candidate rather than giving him the benefit of the doubt at every turn? If a progressive had made such a serious, repeated foreign policy gaffe one thing is clear — you wouldn’t be able to open the paper, let alone turn on the television or radio, without hearing about it.”

Does anyone seriously doubt that this is true? And given this, maybe now would be a good time for producers and editors to ask why this is?

I am seriously starting to wonder if McCain has some form of early Alzheimer’s…

  • the slip up solved by JoeLie whispering sweet nothings was one thing, but I’m not sure I agree that the written statement counts as strike 4. it looks more to me like the entire campaign is so unsure of the situation that now it just gives itself lots of wiggle room. To parse:

    Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran

    This does not say that Al Qaeda are Shia, nor does it say that both get support from Iran. It could well mean that the Shia extremists get help from Iran and AQ gets support from others similarly situated as larger outside interests.

    Frankly, I strongly suspect your larger point — that McCain is clueless on this — is correct. I’m just not sure this is the example to try and hang him on.

  • “Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists — with support from external powers such as Iran — are on the run but not defeated.”

    Well it’s a lie, but it doesn’t say that Iran is training Al Qaida. So technically it’s not repeating the previous gaffe.

    It was a US official who started calling insurgents Al Qaida in Iraq. It wasn’t a name they came up with for themselves.

  • The new statement is purposely ambiguous as to cover his ass for his misstatements yesterday. Mr. Straight Talk indeed.

  • At least Obama didn’t miss a chance to mention it in his Iraq speech today.

    Now we know what we’ll hear from those like John McCain who support open-ended war. They will argue that leaving Iraq is surrender. That we are emboldening the enemy. These are the mistaken and misleading arguments we hear from those who have failed to demonstrate how the war in Iraq has made us safer. Just yesterday, we heard Senator McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and al Qaeda. Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America’s enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades.

  • Thank goodness Hillary has vouched for his expertise, otherwise I’d start doubting that he has the capability to be commander-in-chief.

    It’s 3AM:
    “Ring, Ring”
    “Hello, who am I and what am I doing here?”

    Actually, I agree with #s 2 & 3 – the latest comment can be parsed as being true. However, that doesn’t excuse yesterday, so I’m sticking with making fun of him.

  • McCain’s demagoguing this issue because it’s central to his campaign and the focus of his personal appeal. He needs an enemy as vicious and terrifying as they come to oppose with his constructed image of being some big international butt kicker.

    He just got caught embellishing the facts.

    I’d like to see not only more examination of McCain’s mythical universe of enemies, but also an examination of what happens to this nation’s strength and security as a superpower if we get as bogged down babysitting Middle Eastern religious conflicts as McCain is telling we will be while swatting at the flies of organizations wanting to kill Americans. Will we wind up like the Soviets after Afghanistan drained of prestige, weakened in our armed forces, toothless to defend ourselves from real threats to our national interests and bankrupted as a financial power having hemorrhaged $12 billion a month for years on a conflict going nowhere?

  • I agree that this is stretching it a bit, since McCain is actually trying to have it both ways.

    But since we’ll probably have a few folks who don’t understand why any of this is important, maybe we should put this in terms they can understand:

    To suggest that Shiites in Tehran are trainning Sunnis to kill Shiites in Baghdad is like suggesting the Black Panthers are giving bomb making tips to the Ky Klux Klan so they can blow up a black church in Birmingham.

    It just makes no sense.

    To make that kind of mistake once would prove total ignorance of the facts.

    To repeatedly make that kind of “mistake” has to be a deliberate attempt at obfuscation.

    I pick the latter.

  • He’s just playing a semantics shell game. It’s nothing but intentional misdirection for the fear crowd.

  • … the Ky Klux Klan

    That should obviously be the Ku Klux Klan, since the “Ky Klux Klan” focuses more on lubrication than racism.

    😉

    Sorry for the gaffe (pretty appropriate, given the topic).

  • This latest iteration is obviously “more precise” as it continues to make the connection in the public’s mind, while steering clear of the actual lying that he engaged in previously.

    Make no mistake, they are ramping up for war with Iran. Check this BS out:

    …In a pre-trip briefing, a senior administration official said Cheney wanted to visit the sultan to show U.S. appreciation for its cooperation in fighting terrorism. However, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to more candidly discuss Cheney’s 10-day trek to the Mideast, also said he expected Iran would be a top topic of discussion.

    He said the Omanis are concerned by escalating tensions between Iran and the international community over its nuclear program as well as its activities outside its borders in places like Iraq.

    U.S.-Iranian tensions lessened late last year when a U.S. intelligence report concluded Iran had halted a nuclear weapons program four years ago. But President Bush, while visiting Gulf countries earlier this year, reiterated that “all options” against Iran remain on the table.

    On Jan. 6 when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters in the Strait of Hormuz. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire.

    That incident occurred more than 100 miles from the waters where Cheney went fishing…

    http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080319/twl-cheney-1be00ca.html

    Of course the reality-based community knows that incident was overblown, if not totally fake. The audio was crudely cobbled onto the video, and the video showed nothing out of the ordinary. Those Iranian boats are a very common annoyance in the gulf, but they are NOT a threat. If they ever get within 500 yards of us they will be blown to bits, and everyone knows it (except the fucktards in the media)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hooman-majd/its-a-fake_b_80682.html

    And of course the media, which “learned its lesson”, is repeating all the BS again, from the same bastards who punked them before.

    Hey media: Wake. The. Fuck. UP!

  • The sad fact is that probably 90% of our population don’t know the difference between Shia and Sunni, how they came to split into two fractions, and why they hate each other. Nah, let’s make that 98%. And I think I am being generous there.

    To the average person, AQ, AQI, Sunni, Shia, it doesn’t matter, they are icky brown Muslims. And no matter how we parse it, if someone doesn’t know the difference they will see McCain’s words are true. Clueless as they are.

    The reality is that if we don’t bomb Iran before November, and if McCain gets in, you can rest assured it won’t be but a matter of weeks before we do so.

    Icky brown people are icky brown people whether we bomb them there or hate them here.

  • Who the heck is Jamal Simmons? He is described by MSNBC as a Dem strategist and is just finishing a debate on McCain’s gaffe and the Iraq war. First he doesn’t seem to know that McCain made this mistake more than once. Then he lets the “MSNBC analyst” say that Obama favors a precipitous withdrawl without challenging it.

    Here’s Obama earlier today:

    What I propose is not – and never has been – a precipitous drawdown. It is instead a detailed and prudent plan that will end a war nearly seven years after it started.

  • Jamal Simmons is a self described Clintonista (HuffPo)

    I had MSNBC on this morning but the Dem/Goop strategist yell fest made me change channels. When did news become WWE with the loudest being the strongest.

  • Back in my garage-band days we used to joke that if you made a mistake, played the wrong note, play it that way again the next time around also. Make the audience think it wasn’t a mistake the first time. I’ve heard other musicians say the same thing since then. Has McCain ever been in a garage band?

  • I heard Kathleen Madigan (a comedian) say something along the lines of:

    I heard President Bush say that he misunderestimated something. And I thought, That’s not a word.

    Then I heard him say it again, and I thought; IS that a word?

    Then I heard him say it AGAIN, and I thought: Hmm, that must be a word.

    Donhca just love living a joke? And we are the punchline. UGH. 😉

  • This is the later months of 2002 all over again. I’m expecting someone in either the Bush administration of the McCain campaign to start producing “evidence” of existing ties between Ahmadinejad and bin Laden—probably within the next 60 to 90 days. The GOPers know that they can’t win in November on domestic issues; they also know that they can’t use Iraq for the “bogeyman” much longer, either. It’ll be the classic Orwellian bait-and-switch, where we are suddenly told by Big Brother that Goldstein (the metaphor for al Quaida) isn’t in Iraq, but in Iran.

    I agree with RacerX—this is the run-up to a regional ME war. For those of you between the ages of 18 and 26, might I point out that Bush has pretty much “smashed” our “volunteer army?” And please familiarize yourselves with colloquial phrases such as “turn your head and cough….”

  • Am I the first to make the diagnosis?

    Senile dementia.

    Forgets what Joe Lieberman told him despite its importance.

    It could just be the stress of campaigning, but how much better is the stress of being president?

    You heard it here first… senile dementia.

  • And as for the media, NBC News’ Chuck Todd conceded this morning, “[H]ad Clinton or Obama done something like this, this would have been played on a loop, over and over.”

    And sense it wasn’t what does that actually say about the Corporate/ Repiglican Media and their agenda to get their Corporate Boy McInsane installed as the next president so that they can sustain the current government of BY AND FOR THE FEW ? Not only has this story been repressed by this disgrace called ‘the media’ but actually ‘rewritten’ by some of them as in the AP ……… This of course is the same crap of going after Obama and his pastor .. the endless loops on TV .. all the righteous demands to do this or that .. all the character destruction .. while at the SAME FUCKING TIME ignoring McInsane’s ‘spiritual advisors’ Hagee and Pawsley …….. there this ‘media elite’ sits with their million dollar suits and ties on, the million dollar dressed, in front of you via the TV screen and consciously/ purposefully lie to you .. deceive you .. manipulate your perceptions .. all with a straight face as they look at you … collecting their million dollar paydays .. this ‘media’ is a national disgrace .. a sin .. these people do not have souls anymore .. in their place stands a rancid abscess full of the puss of evil itself …

  • Does ANYONE get this?? Karl Rove is advising McCain. Roves first rule is:

    Say it enough times and it become truth.

    McCain is not senile or stupid. He’s doing what he’s told. Someone forgot to brief Joe L.

  • Will we wind up like the Soviets after Afghanistan drained of prestige, weakened in our armed forces, toothless to defend ourselves from real threats to our national interests and bankrupted as a financial power […] — petorado, @7

    All’s well that ends well; the ultimate result of their little Afghanistan misadventure was the total dismantling of the entire Soviet Union *and* their (political) satellite system. Poland turned first, and I still remember people saying “thank goodness USSR is tied up in knots elsewhere, because we’d have had another 1956 Hungary or 1968 Prague here”. And after Poland, it was the whole box of dominoes falling one after the other; the “Democratic” countries (East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania,. Czechoslovakia) de-coupling first and the “Republics” (Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc) soon after. Heady days… 🙂

  • Actually, Iran training Al Qaeda has been widely reported in the news. He meant to say extremists, but his original statement was accurate too. Look at the 9-11 Commission Report, page 61 or The New York Sun 11/14/06, or USA Today 4/11/07, The Guardian 5/22/07, and on and on. Could someone please at least PRETEND they aren’t just looking for any little thing to crucify McCain over?

  • Jared,

    As was discussed on the previous thread about this topic, the contacts between Iran and Al Qaeda predate by years anything McCain could possibly have meant. He used the present tense, you know.

    So are you claiming to be able to read McCain’s mind? Because we are all quite capable of understanding what he meant.

    This is no “little thing” — this is something anybody with pretentions of expertise about Iraq, and a lot of just well-read blog readers, could have told him off the top of their heads. It’s shocking that a presidential candidate would make this mistake twice, let alone three times.

  • 23. Jared said: Actually, Iran training Al Qaeda has been widely reported in the news. He meant to say extremists, but his original statement was accurate too. Look at the 9-11 Commission Report, page 61 or The New York Sun 11/14/06, or USA Today 4/11/07, The Guardian 5/22/07, and on and on. Could someone please at least PRETEND they aren’t just looking for any little thing to crucify McCain over?

    If you could at least pretend to show some grasp of logic then I might bother refuting this nonsense. As is I doubt you could grasp it anyway.

  • I think it is Shylockish to search for errors in every word.
    The big picture counts, and McCain’s views are correct.

    For 101 on Iran’s Junta, suggested reading:
    Tehran Rising by Ilan Berman.

    Or for a report on sadism of the Khomeniniist junta – click http://www.abfiran.org

  • In my conclusion, the election is about:

    Obama is leading the whiners.

    McCain is leading the men!

  • I think what Jared was referring to in post #32 is the following (not anywhere near page 6 but I can overlook a typo):

    … senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives.

    I guess when you think only in black and white, there’s no room for the idea of diversity in an enemy culture. Of course, there are Sunnis (and Christians, for that matter) in Iran.

    That Al Qaeda did their training in Iran is no more synonymous with “Iran is training Al Qaeda” than the fact that the 9/11 hijackers did their training in the US is synonymous with “The US is training terrorists”.

  • Oops. Sorry, Jared. You *did* say page 61. I must be developing an astigmatism or something. ;o)

  • Concerning:

    1. On March 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, Andy said:
    I am seriously starting to wonder if McCain has some form of early Alzheimer’s…

    AND
    19. On March 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, toowearyforoutrage said:
    Am I the first to make the diagnosis?

    Senile dementia.

    —-> Andy & toowearyforoutrage,

    Allegedly, you are both right. From:
    http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2818.htm#001
    TBR News February 25, 2008
    “Green Zone Follies”

    Baghdad , 20 Feb 08, “… And here is just a personal vignette of an experience I and my psychologist buddy had with the Republican probable nominee, Senator McCain. He came here, as you might know, to “inspect the situation.” Jesus, what a farce! There he was, walking around a marketplace with more armed guards than Bush has, and wearing a huge bullet-proof vest. Anyway, after he “inspected” the market, he came to the Green Zone for some rigged conference with the lying generals. My buddy and I were going to visit another friend when we saw guards, etc, in front of a rec room door. Curious, we went into another unguarded room, opened several doors and guess what? There was the Senator all by himself, sitting on a folding chair by a card table. We were a little awed so I said ‘Hello, Senator. Sorry to bother you.” He looked at us like we were cows and kept blinking. Finally, he smiled and said, ‘Hey, there, soldiers! How is it going? Is it going good?” and my friend the shrink said, “Why yes, Senator. Everything is great!” And McCain smiled at nothing and looked around the room.

    “Well…I’m glad to hear it. You are the General?” And I said, a little sarcastically, “Why no, Senator, not quite yet.” And he looked at me like I was a sheep or something, smiling s silly smile. “Oh” he said to the table, “Let’s hope it gets a little cooler here. Have you been here long?” My friend said, “Too long Senator.” “Why that’s good, General,” the Senator replied to the ceiling. Then his lips moved but he said nothing. He looked up and smiled. My wife’s grandfather did just that. And the Senator may have been sitting right near us but believe me, he was somewhere else. Then he began a conversation with someone who wasn’t there and my friend took my arm and said, “I think we should get the hell out of here,” and we started to go back the way we came when some civilian came in. “It’s time to go to the meeting, John,” but McCain just smiled and kept on talking to the table. The civilian said, “All right, gentlemen, time to go. The Senator is very tired and has jet lag.” And when we left, the Senator was talking complete nonsense. Later, one of the staff personnel told both of us that the Senator had “a little accident” and he had to change his pants. Jesus H. Christ! This nut is going to be a President? My friend, who is a pro, said he was very obviously suffering from pre-Alzheimer’s and believe me, although I am not trained, this one was a pure space case. They must know this. I guess they give him a shot of something before he gets out in public but if you saw him with a vacant stare, talking to himself, you would not have to be a professional shrink to know that putting this pathetic man into the Oval Office would be a worse mistake than putting Bush in. At least as far as we know, Bush doesn’t talk to the walls and wet himself. …”

    ——
    StrivingForJustice at Yahoo dot com

  • HERE IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT?
    Is the problem in Afghanistan really true. If you were going to attack Iran wouldn’t you want to split your forces on each side in order to attack from both sides?

  • Please take the time to reconsider your policy and your treatment of John McCain this past week. In an interview with Katie Couric, CBS reported a number of McCain’s errors without correctinb them. If the mistakes made by McCain had been made by Barack Obama or Hilary Clinton, there would have been no firgiveness at all, and we would have seen the tapes fro those events played over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Please do not continue to give McCain such a huge break. The American people deserve much more. Instead, you should tell the public the truth about what is said, and what is and is not factually correct. That is the only way we will be able to know that this potential leader is not the greatest, and does not deserve to lead us anywhere!!

    Please run a new story telling what was said, what was not said, and what was not correct in this story, for everyone to see.

    Ruth Wenstrom

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