McCain confused about Gen. Petraeus’ job, military chain of command

At first blush, this may seem like a harmless error of no consequence. But it’s significant, in part because it undermines the central focus of John McCain’s campaign, and in part because it fits into a disconcerting pattern.

Speaking before the Associated Press’s annual meeting yesterday, McCain was asked whether he would consider “diverting troops from Iraq to Afghanistan” in order to catch Osama bin Laden. McCain replied, “I would not do that unless General Petraeus said that he felt that the situation called for that.”

(Jonathan Martin has the response in slightly more detail, but the larger context doesn’t change the substance of the answer.)

The problem, of course, is that McCain’s response doesn’t make sense. In fact, as the Army Times reported, Petraeus himself explained just last week, to McCain and his Senate colleagues, that decisions like these aren’t his to make.

The Army Times notes that McCain may have “missed the explanation,” but that’s not really the point — whether McCain was in the room or not, he’s supposed to be an expert on national security and military policy.

And he clearly isn’t.

I suspect yesterday’s mistake will be easily dismissed as trivia. McCain, the alleged military expert, misspoke. Or something.

But let’s not forget that relatively minor errors on military affairs are, according to McCain, worth raising a fuss over. Last year, McCain took enormous delight in trying to embarrass Barack Obama when Obama’s campaign issued a statement talking about a “flack jacket” instead of a “flak jacket.” Indeed, major national news outlets thought this was quite a significant development — the “inexperienced” Obama was being taught a thing or two about the military, by virtue of an arguable typo. (For the record, either spelling is considered acceptable, and McCain’s cheap shot was factually wrong.)

Obama’s use of the word “flack” in a press release led to coverage from ABC, NBC, Fox News, the Washington Post, New York Times, and LA Times.

Why, then, is it trivia when John McCain doesn’t understand the chain of command, and is ascribing military responsibilities to David Petraeus that the general just explained last week he does not have?

For that matter, I know it cuts against the agreed upon media narrative, but McCain’s confusion on these issues points to an issue that should be a real problem for his campaign. Just over the last month or so, McCain has been confused about whether al Qaeda is Sunni or Shi’a on at least four occasions, whether Iran is aiding al Qaeda, and was equally confused about what transpired during Maliki’s recent offensive in Basra.

Remember, this is the subject McCain claims to know best. After conceding that he knows practically nothing about economic matters, his expertise on the military and national security is supposed to be the underpinning of his entire presidential campaign.

And yet, about once a week, he seems to have no idea what he’s talking about.

Consider a thought experiment: if Barack Obama repeatedly showed confusion about al Qaeda, Iran, events in Basra, Gen. Petraeus’ responsibilities, and the chain of command, do you think we might hear a little about it?

If one assumes that Hon. Sen. McCain wasn’t confused, the situation is actually worse, as it implies that he would rather see failure in Afghanistan than exercise his CinC powers to override a four-star (a general who is not, after all, even head of Centcom).

  • This could be plain old buck-passing as opposed to rank ignorance. McCain is trying to avoid taking a stance on troop deployments so that he can’t be called wrong.

  • Unfortunately, none of this will matter– the media is too busy reporting “bittergate” and other similar bullsh*t, all the while giving passes to their best buddy McCain. With today’s media, IOKIYAR, especially IYAMcCain.

    There isn’t a toilet plunger big enough for this country, which is rapidly going down the john– the John McCain, to be specific!

  • Can we ask the press how much more military cred he has left?

    Can the media elite tell us dumb rubes how many more boneheaded mistakes does he get to make before they start doing their goddamned jobs?

  • An old Navy guy like McCain forgetting the chain of command? What’s next? Going to call Gen Petraeus, Admiral Petraeus?

  • When I first heard this, I thought about the testimony last week in the Senate, where McCain confused Sunni and Shia for the umteenth time. Petraeus went along with him, rather than correct him. I thought at the time that Petraeus was bucking for a promotion. After this gaffe, I thought maybe McCain has already offered him the Sec Def position. Of course that would require us to believe that McCain forgot or didn’t know that the Sec Def must be a civilian for at least 10 yrs before the appointment. So maybe Centcom commander?

  • The Free Ride continues.

    Thank you press corpse! Hope that BBQ sits well in your stomach when McDumbass turns out to be just as bad as Bush.

  • if Barack Obama repeatedly showed confusion about al Qaeda, Iran, events in Basra, Gen. Petraeus’ responsibilities, and the chain of command, do you think we might hear a little about it?

    If that had happened, Obama would be out of the race by now and Clinton would be the nominee.

  • So where was McCain during the lengthy bit of testimony regarding Gen. Petraeus being the commander “in Iraq” and not Afghanistan? Probably sleeping after Amb. Crocker (Mechanical Reading Robot Boy) finished his first or second barrage.

    Or maybe John’s hearing aid was off.

  • I think Grumpy nails it. McCain reflexively will dodge any question on the current hostilities by referral to the Man They Call Petraeus.

  • Again, confusion about the complex realities of foreign policy doesn’t seem to be a disqualifying factor for a Republican president, as shown by the last few years.

  • For the media: Let’s look at the “flak” incident:

    In a May 25 press release, responding in part to McCain’s criticism of his recent Iraq war vote, Obama asserted that “the course we are on in Iraq” is not “working.” Obama said “a reflection of that [is] the fact that Senator McCain required a flack jacket” and other military protection when walking through a Baghdad market during a trip to Iraq in April. In his response that same day, McCain took issue with Obama’s spelling: “By the way, Senator Obama, it’s a ‘flak’ jacket, not a ‘flack’ jacket.”

    Is the spelling of “flak” the important question here? Have any of you asked McCain lately if he would like to go shopping in that market again? With or without a FLAK jacket? Would he require 100 armed guards like he did before? And if he still needs these things, how much progress has there been in Iraq, really? Will you even ask the guy some serious questions about issues which are extremely important to the country?

  • Remember, this is the guy who read the Pilot’s Notes (the instruction book) for the A-4 Skyhawk, with its specific statement that one should avoid a “wet start,” and went on to do a wet start as a prank one would expect of an Ensign, not a Lieutenant Commander, and we all know how many of his fellow sailors died and how many were injured and for how many years his ship was out of the war effort as a result (basically, McCain inflicted more damage to a US Navy ship that one day than the North Vietnamese managed to do in 10 years).

    He’s just sticking to his lifelong inability to “get the message” here.

  • McSame’s knowledge of “things military” is limited to the recognition of the various stars and chevrons combinations on epaulets, so that he knows whom to salute and who should salute him…

  • So what, exactly, does the “Commander-in-Chief Threshold” entail?

    These people make it sound like you get to be a generalissimo or something: moving unit markers across a board, using the field communication network to give orders to your general galloping across some burning field in a tank, or perhaps even charging into battle ahead of young Americans while waving your sabre at the enemy with frenzied defiance.

    It obviously doesn’t require understanding the chain of command or what, exactly, a battalion is. Turns out that it’s just a title that makes some people feel really important. And if we keep electing people who think that it is really important, we’ll keeping marching into places like Baghdad…maybe Moscow next with a pleasant, late summer offensive. (It has to be late summer; the polling needs to up for the start of the invasion and so we might reap political benefits in the mid-terms.)

    Sorry, i’m just really tired of not only living in an Empire, but a bungling…stupid…inept one at that. If we must go out and conquer the planet, can’t we at least do it well?

  • He was accepted to the USNA because we was a 3rd generation legacy.

    He finished nearly last in his class.

    Clearly he was never the sharpest knife in the drawer. On top of that he almost certainly suffers from PTSD due to what he went through in Hanoi. He’s also in his 70’s.

    I’d be curious to see a full spectrum evaluation of his mental state.

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