McCain is ‘learning to get online’

About a month ago, John McCain was raising money in Richmond, Va., when he brought up his search for a running mate. “We’re going through a process where you get a whole bunch of names, and ya — well, basically, it’s a Google,” McCain said. “You just, you know, what you can find out now on the Internet. It’s remarkable, you know.”

Not long beforehand, McCain was asked, “Mac or PC?” McCain responded, “Neither. I am a [sic] illiterate who has to rely on my wife.”

Given these responses, McCain’s discomfort with modern technology has made him the butt of jokes, and it appears the senator is trying to reshape his Luddite-ish image.

He said, ruefully, that he had not mastered how to use the Internet and relied on his wife and aides like Mark Salter, a senior adviser, and Brooke Buchanan, his press secretary, to get him online to read newspapers (though he prefers reading those the old-fashioned way) and political Web sites and blogs.

“They go on for me,” he said. “I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need.”

Asked which blogs he read, he said: “Brooke and Mark show me Drudge, obviously. Everybody watches, for better or for worse, Drudge. Sometimes I look at Politico. Sometimes RealPolitics.”

McCain added, “I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail.”

I suspect, by memorizing the names of a handful of conservative blogs, and arguing that he’s “learning to get online myself,” McCain was trying to improve his image on the issue. But I have a hunch he’s done the opposite.

McCain said, for example, that he relies on others to “get him online.” I’m not entirely sure what that means. It sounds as if McCain needs help opening a web browser.

Indeed, he added, “I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon.” McCain, in other words, nearly has the “double-click phenomenon” down. If someone could put a browser in his quick-launch tray, McCain could even go with one click.

I realize there’s a digital divide, often based on age. For that matter, I can appreciate that the Internet might be slightly intimidating to a man who’s nearly 72, has no background in technology, doesn’t use email, and by his own admission, is “illiterate” enough not to know what Google is.

And if this were the whole story, it would probably only be a mild embarrassment for the Republican presidential candidate. But let’s not forget that McCain not only doesn’t understand the basics of modern technology, he also doesn’t actually have a policy in this area at all.

Political observers have made much of John McCain’s admission that he cannot use a computer without assistance. In a campaign where McCain’s opponent is 25 years younger than him, the factoid is potent ammunition for those who argue McCain is out of touch and too old for the presidency. But not knowing your way around a MacBook doesn’t mean you can’t be president. And McCain’s personal Ludditism isn’t a deal breaker for tech leaders. “I don’t give a damn if McCain ever turns on a computer or not,” Michael Arrington, coeditor of the blog TechCrunch wrote in January. “I just want a president who has the right top-down polices to support the information economy.”

And where is McCain on tech policy? Not so shockingly, the computer-free senator’s campaign is not as plugged in as his rival’s. In fact, his campaign website fails to address America’s lagging performance on broadband access or affordability, the technological capabilities of the federal bureaucracy, or the Internet’s ability to increase government transparency. “There are red flags,” says Brian Reich, author of the book Media Rules!: Mastering Today’s Technology to Connect With and Keep Your Audience and the former editor of Campaign Web Review, a blog that tracked the use of the Internet by candidates, campaigns, and activists.

So, one the one hand, we have Barack Obama who’s unveiled an exceptional “innovation agenda,” shaped in large part by technology visionary Lawrence Lessig. And on the other we have John McCain.

This isn’t just about physical age; it’s about a candidate who seems more comfortable in the past, and lacks a vision for the future.

I just don’t understand how anyone can take this guy even the least bit seriously. “I am learning to get online.” In modern terms, it is no hyperbole to suggest that he is essentially admitting that he is illiterate. A person running for President of the United States is so incurious that he lacks even basic functionality on what is quickly becoming the most ubiquitous source of knowledge in the world. Of all the things that demonstrate the general crappiness of John McCain, this is somehow the one that shocks me the most. He doesn’t know or care enough to even grasp how fundamentally absurd his posture is on this.

  • I realize there’s a digital divide, often based on age. For that matter, I can appreciate that the Internet might be slightly intimidating to a man who’s nearly 72, has no background in technology, doesn’t use email, and by his own admission, is “illiterate” enough not to know what Google is.

    Let’s not forget (as if we could, with him telling us about it all the time) that McCain flew multi-million dollar fighter jets off an aircraft carrier. Those weren’t wood-and-canvas biplanes, they were the nation’s most sophisticated weapon at the time. McCain is simply intellectually lazy and uncurious.

    My father is a year older than McCain’s and taught himself how to use a complicated architectural rendering program and he uses the internet to trace the family tree.

    Maybe this explains why McCain crashed all those jets before he was shot down.

  • Remember, McCain was the GOP’s best 2008 candidate. Hard to credit now, but really, he was. The others were even more obviously clownish than him, as you could see from watching the debates.

    I think McCain is dead meat this election, so what I worry about is the next few times. The Republicans are unfit for any sort of political responsibility, but if history is any guide there will eventually be another GOP president. Cthulhu help us.

  • …the Internet’s ability to increase government transparency.

    Those seven little words are all one needs to explain McCain’s “illiteracy.” It is an illiteracy of convenience; it is an illiteracy of political necessity; it is an illiteracy of choice, because anything that lends toward increased government transparency is a mortal threat to the Bush/McCain oligarchy. Shrewdness—especially that of the most evil sort, where a small elite clique of political and corporate master plot the slow decay of individual freedoms—is not “illiteracy.”

  • In modern terms, it is no hyperbole to suggest that he is essentially admitting that he is illiterate.

    Precisely. Look, it’s bad enough that this guy doesn’t realize how thoroughly the internet has changed information gathering and sharing, but he admits to not even using a computer at all. He clearly does not realize that computers, unlike, say, steam irons or cordless edgers, have revolutionized every aspect of our lives–including everything a president will be concerned with, from the education to the military. It’s an absolutely stunning admission of incompetence from someone who is running for the presidency of the (for now) strongest country in the world.

    He doesn’t know or care enough to even grasp how fundamentally absurd his posture is on this.

    Exactly. He doesn’t know or understand enough to know how deeply damaging this repeated admission is. But where is his staff? I know many of them are as clumsy as he is, but isn’t anyone trying to stop him from killing himself this way?

  • The required permits were not pulled when the Cindy McCain Family Trust
    converted this $4,666,814 condo into one from two condos (1105 & 1106)
    for the roof top zero edge pool, sun deck, spa, fire pit, gas barbeque, men’s
    and ladies’ locker rooms, steam rooms, massage room.

    http://webofdeception.com/#mccaincondo

  • Maria @ #5 says “Precisely. Look, it’s bad enough that this guy doesn’t realize how thoroughly the internet has changed information gathering and sharing, but he admits to not even using a computer at all. He clearly does not realize that computers, unlike, say, steam irons or cordless edgers, have revolutionized every aspect of our lives–including everything a president will be concerned with, from the education to the military. It’s an absolutely stunning admission of incompetence from someone who is running for the presidency of the (for now) strongest country in the world.”

    I started in the construction industry 27 years ago, about the same time McBush was first elected to the house. In that time the changes have been sweeping, transforming the industry. We are now at the point where we construct virtual buildings to iron out the bugs before we build the real thing; the cost savings and increased efficiencies are incredible, and this technology continues to evolve. The same can be said for pretty much any industry or profession.

    My point being; WTF have they been up to in congress since 1980? How many other of our elected officials are this tech illiterate? Do they realise that they would be unemployable in any other industry? Convenience store clerks and fast food drive-through crew members use computers, and these people don’t? What does this say about how they see the world?

  • PeteCO @ 7:

    My point being; WTF have they been up to in congress has McCain been up to since 1980?

    Fixed it for you. I wouldn’t take McCain as representative of the entire body of Congress. At least not the Democratic side.

  • Just another reason not to vote for McCain. We don’t need an “analog” president when the world has moved on into the digital age.

    He does not support net neutrality although he probably doesn’t even understand what that is. His views on net neutrality are fed to him by his lobbyist telecom supporters whose sole purpose is to control the internet. McCain would be a disaster for the internet.

  • > McCain is simply intellectually lazy and uncurious.

    You have hit upon the hallmark of the modern Republican party.

    Doctrine rather than comprehension.
    Authoritarianism rather than diplomacy or negotiation.
    Absolutes rather than shades of gray.

    “Intellectually uncurious” is the worst criticism I can think of for someone who is a “leader” in the fullest sense of the term.

  • Pete makes a very good point when he says that most on the Hill would be totally unemployable in any other profession. Though I certainly don’t imagine that McCain’s level of computer illiteracy includes every member of Congress, I’m sure there are plenty like him.

    And age is no excuse. Just look at George Carlin – died at 71. And what did he throw into his schtick when he performed most recently? The INTERNET. Surfing online. Wi-fi versus broadband. It was funny, it was relevant, and he knew EXACTLY what he was talking about.

    Someday these dinosaurs in power will realize that they’re quickly becoming extinct, and either adapt or just fade into memory. Hopefully, as I’m thinking with McCain, it’s the latter. There’s just no hope for him.

  • Ya know, it just occurred to me that the latest Die Hard movie was centered around just this sort of theme. John McClain found himself, once again, battling domestic terrorists but this time the attack was on the various computer networks that control our basic infrastructure. McClain was, of course, out of his element but with just a little help from a wisecracking and more computer savvy sidekick and his own maverick bravado, he was able to save the day. Perhaps John McCain sees himself this way. “Ah, I may not be as smart as all you whippersnappers on this computer stuff but here I still am and I can still save the day if I am savvy enough and aggressive enough in other ways.” I am not suggesting that McCain has seen the movie but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that he thinks of himself in the mode of this kind of archetype. It doesn’t make it any less ridiculous but it fits.

  • IFirst I wanted to start a pimp slap Dick Cheney fund, now I want to start a make McCain read Carpet Bagger petition.

    He should not be allowed to be president unless he reads six months of posts from:

    Carpetbagger Report
    Truthdig
    Huffington Post
    TPM Muckraker
    Fark
    Slashdot

    Until he does, he doesn’t deserve to be President

  • McCain added, “I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail.”

    So, he just texts then?

  • Actually, come to think of it, all the Die Hard movies were based essentially on this theme. McClain the maverick and analog hero versus the modern high tech terrorists with nothing but his wits and basic sense of physics to guide him. I don’t really get into mindreading but I would be willing to bet that McCain thinks of himself almost exactly this way.

  • Which will help McClain the maverick outsmart “the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette, who stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.”

    Yep, fits great. Good call.

  • Obama has no background in technology.

    Obama didn’t go to school during the tech age.

    Obama can’t set up websites

    Obama can’t use powerpoint.

    Obama has no economic background.

    Obama himself has admitted he is terrible with numbers.

    57 states Obama said.

    10,000 died in a tornado in Kansas Obama said.

    100 million died in burma.

    Obama’s background is in law.

    Obama has no technology or business background.

    Obama himself is computer illiterate.

    There was a story a while back that Obama doesn’t use a computer and how it is the facebook founder who is the brains behind his operation.

    McCain staffers use blackberries.

    McCain goes online to see the youtube videos about him.

    McCain in the piece said he goes online to politico and realclear politics.

    What is the difference if McCain can get information online.

    Obama has no background in technology.

    McCain’s campaign manager uses powerpoint. McCain’s staff is proficient in technology.

    You people are trying to portray Obama as someone he isn’t.

    Obama was trained as a lawyer.

    Obama himself admitted he is terrible with math.

    Obama has ZERO background with the economy and technology.

  • You are once again taking McCain out of context.

    McCain said he goes online to search videos about him on youtube.

    McCain goes online by himself to read politico and realclear politics.

    McCain was talking about becoming proficient in using all the online tools like Lexis Nexis and all the search engines.

    You are making it like he can’t get online when he already goes online to read politico, real clearpolitics, and sees videos of himself on youtube.

    Obama never uses a computer.

    You people are being hypocritical when Obama himself wasn’t trained in technology and has no background in technology.

    Obama can’t set up websites.

    Obama went to school before the information age.

    Obama has zero background in technology.

    Obama isn’t a businessman. Obama isn’t good at math. Obama isn’t good at technology.

    Obama is a trained lawyer. Technology is a foreign concept to him.

    By the way Bill Clinton doesn’t use e-mail or use a computer.

    That is what you have staffers for to do mundane tasks like getting text messages from reporters.

  • It’s ugly ageism to snark at McCain for not being as technology-advanced as the spoiled, toy-obsessed children who support Mr. Glitter and Flash. Older Americans are not fooled by this transparent attack on McCain’s age disguised as “concern” about him not exercising the option to use a computer — he’s obviously gotten along fine without it so far.

    McCain comes from a generation that sacrificed everything, joining the military to protect our country, saving their money to send their children to college, forgoing simple pleasures in the name of giving their families a better life. Unlike Mr. Instant Gratification and his band of self-indulgent followers, McCain is of an age where you don’t spend money on foolish toys; you use your hard-fought earnings for food, shelter and other basics. Mr. Yo Mama’s supporters, who mostly still live with their parents or “earn a living” through drug dealing, are too self-absorbed to understand that most Americans share McCain’s values, not theirs.

  • Thats an awful lot of unsupported assertions jeff. Are you under the impression that the higher the quantity of declarative sentences, the more convincing your argument will be? That isn’t the case.

  • 46 is the same as 71 in terms of technology.

    When Obama went to school there was no internet.

    Obama hasn’t been trained in technology.

    Obama hasn’t been on any committees dealing with technology.

    Obama didn’t have any educational training in technology.

    Obama has been a politician since the information age.

    Lets not make Obama out to be something he is not.

  • Jeff –

    John McCain is aware of the internet.

    John McCain knows that the internet is a series of tube.

    John McCain knows that these tubes are not our friends.

    John McCain will attack and destroy the series of tubes

  • The reason John McCain has never been online or is not computer literate is because he has never had a need to use a computer, email or the internet. Much in the same way he has never shopped for groceries or pumped his own gas. Everything is done for him. Second, he is not curious about computers or the internet. That’s not a good sign.

    My mother is not too many years younger than McCain and dropped out of high school when she was 16. She is using email and surfing the web today, much to my amazement.

  • In the interest of bipartisanship, I thought I’d offer a little help for JMac.
    1. Look around the rooms in one of your houses. There’s a black or gray box on a desk or the floor. That’s probably the computer.
    2. There may be several round things on the front of the box. One of them is a power button. Press it. You may hear some noise, but it’s OK. Computers are supposed to that.
    3. You may see a funny screen asking for a name and password. Just pressing keys won’t get you further. Talk to someone who may know something more about the computer than you, like perhaps your favorite pet. (Yes, I’m sure you have one named Charlie. We get it.)
    4. At some point, you will get a screen with different pictures and words. Ask someone to jack up the font size so you can see them. Charlie will know what a font is.
    5. Ask Charlie to show you the which picture gets you on the Internet. (Notice the capital I. This is good to know if you ever write a technology policy).
    6. Congratulations. You’re on the Internet. Go to johnmccain.com to bask in the glow or order some golf stuff.

  • What nonsense. Obama is a longtime Mac user (elitist!) and is addicted to his Blackberry (why not an iPhone? 🙂 ) He’s used a computer regularly for his entire adult life. He and his team are laughing their asses off right now at McCain being dumb enough to publicly admit–repeatedly–that he has no idea how to use a computer. Next up: McCain claims books, fire, wheels are “probably very useful” inventions he’ll “get around” to using eventually.

    jeff knows that this is absolutely devastating to McCain and is desperately trying to conflate not being able to build a web page with not having a fucking clue that computers have fully changed the way we learn, do business, do research, conduct government, run national defense–everything. That spin is bad enough, but jeff also blatantly lies about Obama’s own computer use.

    This is pretty funny.

  • PeteCO @ 12:

    Having said that, remember this guy?

    Can’t forget our senior senator, but then Ted Stevens illustrates my point. Needless to say, I’ll be voting for Begich.

  • McCain can get onto Politico’s website.

    What talent does Obama have that McCain doesn’t have.

    Obama can’t use powerpoint.

    Obama can’t make websites.

    Obama has no background with technology.

  • Obama doesn’t even know what a widget is.

    Obama couldn’t answer.

    Obama is a dunce.

  • Clearly, our resident pet rock “jeffie” is trying to make his lord and savior, John “Call-Me-Ace-‘cuz-I-cost-you-stupid-taxpayers-5-planes” McCain, look better than he really is—by “out-lying him….”

  • Pete his role in those committees were in name only.

    I am talking about taking a leadership role.

    Obama didn’t hold any meetings on afghanistan and yet has a title that he is chairman of a subcommittee dealing with nato relations.

    Obama hasn’t been around in the senate. Obama came to the senate and ran for president.

    Obama has no background in technology.

    You people are making fun of McCain’s age like Obama is some technology whiz kid.

    Obama has ZERO educational background on technology. Obama has ZERO business background in technology.

    Obama wasn’t a governor where he had to deal with his constituents needs dealing with technology.

    Obama has no background in technology.

    None.

    There was an article that Obama was clueless about his own website. It is his staffers not Obama.

    How can you people make fun of McCain when Obama doesn’t even know what a widget is.

    The people; that make fun of McCain should also be making fun of Obama then.

  • Obama didn’t serve in WW2.

    Obama didn’t get shot down in Vietnam.

    Obama is not an astronaut.

    Obama has big ears.

    Obama is not exclusively of Anglo-Saxon descent.

    Clearly he’s not qualified.

  • To Steve when you never serve you are assured of crashing no planes.

    One of the planes McCain crashed was on his 24th mission into the heart of the defense fire.

    One of the other planes was when another plane on his carrier fired a rocket and hit McCain’s plane and McCain had to jump out to save his life.

    Being a pilot back then isn’t like being a pilot today. There were a lot of pilots who were shot down over vietnam.

    McCain was flying planes for over a decade.

    McCain was flying a plane during the cuban missile crisis.

    McCain was on the first carrier out during the cuban missile crisis.

    When you don’t serve and spend your time snorting cocaine and going to Wright’s church it is easy to bash your opponent’s war record.

    By the way bashing McCain’s record isn’t doing Obama any good.,

    Since the bashing of McCain’s record Obama is in freefall.

    Look at the Newsweek poll.

    Keep bashing McCain’s service record and it highlights Obama’s lack of a record. It highlights how McCain has two sons serving his country. One just came back from service and another is about to graduate from the navy academy.

  • Jeff, does the term “Autistic Spectrum” mean anything to you?

    Disclaimer; I have two autistic nephews. Seriously.

  • When you never served yourself and spent your time at Wright’s church you better not bash your opponent’s service record.

    Keep bashing McCain’s service record Steve.

    Obama’s support has collapsed since you idiots thought it was a good idea to attack McCain’s service record.

  • “Before these guys go, I want them to know that I had heard a rumor that they had suggested that I had nothing by them on my iPod,” Obama said. “That is not true. I love Wilco.”

    Poor McCain, now he has to figure out the iPod.

  • PeteCO you must be a fool.

    You people think it is a good idea to bash McCain’s service record.

    PeteCO just because you people were too cowardly too serve you don’t have to take it out on people who did sacrifice for their country.

  • Obama doesn’t even know what a widget is.

    Obama has never created a website.

    Obama has never used a powerpoint presentation. Obama has no executive experience or business background.

    What exactly is Obama’s technology expertise that could help him as president.

    Wow Obama can listen to some music. Wow what a presidential quality.

  • Name me the time Obama gave a powerpoint presentation.

    You can’t.

    Name me the time Obama created a website.

    You can’t.

    What is Obama’s expertise.

    Nothing nothing

    He has no educational or career background in technology. None.

  • FYI

    “Asperger syndrome is one of the autism spectrum disorders (ASD) or pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), which are a spectrum of psychological conditions that are characterized by abnormalities of social interaction and communication that pervade the individual’s functioning, and by restricted and repetitive interests and behavior. ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

  • Type in PeteCO on google and you will find someone that does indeed have asperger syndrome.

    PeteCO maybe you should read what you have writen.

  • PeteCO just because you people were too cowardly too serve you don’t have to take it out on people who did sacrifice for their country.
    Okay, buttmunch. I volunteered to serve in-country while in the Navy. I served a tour in ’71-’72 at NSAD Binh Thuy, about twenty-five klicks upriver from Can Tho with CTF-116 – also known as the Brown Water Navy. My outfit was the last one out of the Mekong Delta.
    Service in the military, while commendable, is in no way a unique qualifier for the presidency. The hierarchical, orders-driven structure of the military is almost the complete opposite of civilian governance. Anyone who does not achieve Flag rank (That includes McCain) is usually a specialist in his or her area of the service and rarely commands an organization comprising more than a few hundred individuals.
    If service is the criterion, then Al Gore and John Kerry, both of whom served in Vietnam, should have been elected over G.W. Bush – shouldn’t they?
    And, because I know the answer already, when and where did you serve? For extra credit, Mr. Technology, without Googling, what is traceroute?

  • McCain is the one who takes questions from bloggers from both sides of the aisle.

    McCain has had far more outreach to bloggers than Obama.

    McCain has virtual town halls.

  • That’s actually pretty funny. I was originally thinking Asperger’s myself. Not quite, though; Asperger’s patients are usually quite intelligent and have trouble with the social interaction and communication part. This fellow isn’t the brightest star in the firmament, in addition to having significant social and verbal problems.

    Anyway, he’s gotten enough attention now, I think. This topic is hilarious. I can’t get enough of McCain’s insistence on throwing himself in front of speeding trains at every opportunity.

  • I didn’t serve in Vietnam because the military refused to take someone who was born in 1965. It’s not like I had an anal cyst, or a father who was a congressman, or some other priorities.

  • traceroute shows the route you take over the internet to get to the site you are at.

    I did a 12 month tour in iraq in 2005-2006.

  • And yet you still support those who are responsible for your terrible head injury.

    Remarkable.

  • Theoretically, “Forrestfire” McCain should have a “background in technology” since he was a Naval Aviator, and they do go through a period of instruction on technology. Of course, he demonstrated what a master of that technology he was by crashing five airplanes.

  • Type in PeteCO on google and you will find someone that does indeed have asperger syndrome-jeff.

    The funny thing is that McCain couldn’t do that.

  • I am 65 and only 6 years younger than the mutt McCain. I not only know how to get online but I know how to design, repair, upgrade and build computers. If he is now “learning to get online and will have it down fairly soon” his IQ must be less than his age. This guy would be more of an embarassment as president than our present petender and I thought that was impossible.

  • What I want to know is where McCain-tool “Jeff” served. I’m sure that – like most wingnuts – he didn’t go because he knew they don’t take psychopaths.

    FYI “Jeff” – Dennis isn’t the only vet here who knows that military service is hardly a qualifier for public office.

  • Hey Jeff, there’s this woman named Mary whom I’m sure you’d like to meet. I bet you’d get along famously.

  • McCain’s 17 year old son enlisted and just came back from a tour in Iraq.

    McCain’s other son is about to graduate from the navy academy.

    McCain family believes in service unlike Obama who didn’t sacrifice anything.

    To rege, McCain does go online. McCain said he checks realclearpolitics.com all the time.

    Obama is a fool.

    Obama called Maliki the president of Iraq.

    Obama said the leader of canada is the president of canada while Canada has been under a parliamentary system for 140 years.

    Obama called sunrise florida sunshine florida.

    .

    Obama said 57 states

    Obama said 10,000 people died in kansas.

    Obama said 100 million died in burma.

    Obama doesn’t know psycological effects is a term used in the oil markets.

  • Hey Jeff,

    McCain converted to Buddhism while a POW

    McCain ratted out his buddies when his captors threatened him

    McCain crashed his plane to try and sink the ship

    McCain will crash the United States too

    McCain is not qualified

  • Not sure if this is relevant here, but it discusses the increasing irrelevance of the Corp Media and its reporting of what is really going on.
    “The newspaper industry is in a bad spot. Actually, run a correction on that statement — newspapers are in a “time to panic” spot. The business model is collapsing, ad dollars are disappearing, newsprint prices are at a 12-year high and the Internet is just giving news away for free. On July 2, the Los Angeles Times announced it was cutting more than one-sixth of its newsroom staff; the Tampa Tribune said it would cut 20%.”
    Here is the link to the article in Time Mag: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1821376,00.html
    They still don’t get it. They(the publishers/editors of the CSM[Corp Spin Media] still think it is about costs and distribution…
    “Herb Sandler (Enter Pro Publica, a non-profit news organization devoted solely to investigative journalism and funded to the tune of $10 million a year by California-based philanthropists Herb and Marion Sandler.) dismisses such concerns. “We would destroy this thing[Pro Publica] if we were to interfere,” he says. “We totally understand that this will be a failure unless it’s totally independent and we’re not into supporting failures.” Yet for Pro Publica to be considered a success, it will need to prove it can sustain a track record of high-profile, high-quality journalism and that it can survive past the Sandlers’ initial three-year financial commitment. Such an achievement could create opportunities for more philanthropy-supported journalism. As Duke University economist James T. Hamilton puts it, “Newspapers used to be owned by people who were willing to trade off profits for the notion that they were doing the right thing.” And with profits disappearing, doing the right thing is becoming increasingly important.”
    Just wanted to make you aware of this story. It kind of popped up when I was browsing CNN.com, and seemed of interest to many of the posters here. I just visited the site, propublica.org. It is OK, but still may need some work. But, the attempt by the Sandlers to offer a free alternative to the CSM is shaking some establishment people up. And sites like CP are doing the same.

    I am committed to oneness through Justice and Transformation
    peace,
    st john

  • Hey Jeff, clearly you’re not so good at this computer thingy yourself, but here on the internets we like to back our declarative statements up with links that prove we’re not just making shit up.

  • Can someone who is so behind the times on the kind of everyday technology that my parents his age have had no trouble adapting to — can someone like that really make Commander-in-Chief decisions about a military that is no doubt built on far more complicated tech?

  • From CB 7/14: One thing I will not do is telegraph my punches. – John McCain

    He may not know his way around the tubes, but surely he can out-tap Obama in Morse Code.

  • McCain does use a blackberry.

    Mika on morning joe said she communicated with McCain by blackberry.

    Mr. McCain: I use the Blackberry, but I don’t e-mail, I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and staff are oral and done with my cell phone. I have the luxury of being in contact with them literally all the time. We now have a phone on the plane that is usable on the plane, so I just never really felt a need to do it. But I do — could I just say, really — I understand the impact of blogs on American politics today and political campaigns. I understand that. And I understand that something appears on one blog, can ricochet all around and get into the evening news, the front page of The New York Times. So, I do pay attention to the blogs. And I am not in any way unappreciative of the impact that they have on entire campaigns and world opinion.

  • Once again, when you quote someone directly you need to provide a link so people don’t think you’re pulling words out of your ass.

  • My father in law (now 90) learned to use a computer given to him for his 80th birthday. Why? He needed to communicate with his businesss associates through email and read elecronic proposal documents. Yes, it was a bit of a struggle. Using a mouse is not intuitive. But he worked at it and and mastered it and now is very at ease with it. He understands the importance of Internet technologies because he uses them. Contrast this with my very bright but technology resistant mother in law, who vaguely realizes that you can look for inofrmation on the web, but really has no clear idea of the breadth of content there. Like McCain, her spouse finds and prints things out for her. She tunes out discussions that imply a need to understand technology issues, though she avidly follows politics.

    What does this illustrate? Older people do have to work at it ot master technology they don’t have prior exposure to otherwise, but people older than McCain do that if they are curious, alert and motivated. Yes, it matters whether you understand transformative technologies at the level of a user. (No, Jeff, you don’t need to be a web designer, and PowerPoint is not a trransformative technology.)

  • To Shalamir it is on the politico website.

    I guess you don’t follow politics if you don’t check the politico website.

  • I guess Jeff and Friends are some of McCain internet(s) outreach bloggers.

    I’d say to John McCain that his trolls ain’t very effective at outreach and that he needs to get some new doodz but of course we know that he can’t use a computer and wouldn’t read it.

  • Politico is hardly right wing.

    Politico has many left wing reporters.

    The founders of politico are from the left.

  • We are the Borg.

    You will be assimilated.

    When we figure out how this damn thing works.

  • Does

    “Politico is hardly right wing.

    Politico has many left wing reporters.

    The founders of politico are from the left.”

    qualify as Haiku?

  • Jeff, thanks for your service. It is a great thing to have served your country in the Armed Forces. I’m sure your mom is resting easier now that you’re home. Be good to yourself, and get help when needed. PTSD is not a myth.

    Understand though when you’re proclaiming your candidate’s sophistication in technology, you should yourself, at the very least be able to copy and paste a simple URL (uniform resource locater) to back up your claims.

  • Do you get the impression that jeff isn’t doing the typing? It’s like he has his twelve year old son sitting at the keyboard transcribing and cleaning up his tirade for him.

    jeff: Those SOB smartasses at the Carpetbagger Report. Damn them. Politico is hardly right wing…

    jeff’s son (typing):Politico is hardly right wing.

    jeff (continuing): Hell, the friggen’ site was loaded with left wing moonbats…

    jeff’s son (typing):Politico has many left wing reporters

    jeff (continuing): Shit even the jackass that stated the site is a pinko….

    jeff’s son (typing):The founders of politico are from the left

  • I am really beginning to wonder if McLame does anything for himself. My parents are mid-80’s and have both learned to ‘get on line” and email, share family videos on “youtube”, research the family tree etc. Doesn’t St. John do this with his family or is Cindy in charge of that too?

    It’s 3am. “Hey Cindy, answer the phone for Christ sakes”.

  • To Shalamir it is on the politico website.

    Ah, you have no idea how to make a link. Stunning news.

    Mr. McCain is all over his his Blackberry all the time, but never communicates with anyone with it. But he uses it all the time, okay, and just because no one ever hears from him on it, which would confirm that he knows where and what it is, don’t think he’s lying or nothin’. What, you guys are impugning his integrity?

  • He may be less computer savvy than my grampa, but I don’t really see that as a reason to gripe at him. He comes from an age where we have research librarians for find books and facts and articles… And the internet just brings those tools closer to everyone’s hands.

    I think your point that Obama knows how to embrace technology that reaches to the masses is more important.

  • This thread is getting a little scary with Roboto Jeff hogging so much space–but I was talking to my husband just this morning about what a great relief it will be to have a president who actually is cool, who has his shit together, can speak understandable English in whole sentences, who is sophisticated and up-to-date regarding technology and pop culture. My husband said we haven’t had a president like that since Kennedy!

  • Crissa doesn’t get it either. There’s a leeeeeeeeeetle more at stake in complete computer illiteracy than missing quick online access to what you used to bug the research librarian for. You may use your computer in very limited ways (it sounds like you just surf for fun and perhaps send a few emails), but the rest of the world–business, government, education, the military, the arts, etc., etc.–has been completely revolutionized by computers. A president who doesn’t get how fundamental computers are to the modern world and the way it works is inexcusably ill suited for the job.

  • Obama doesn’t embrace technology.

    Obama isn’t creating powerpoint presentations like Mitt Romney or Rick Davis.

    Obama isn’t creating websites.

    Lets not confuse the young staffers with Obama himself.

    Obama himself didn’t know what a widget was when asked about it.

    McCain does communicate by blackberry. Mika the anchorwoman of Morning Joe whose father worked for Carter confirmed she communicated with McCain via blackberry.

    This idea that Obama embraces technology is a joke.

    Obama is 46 not 16. Obama didn’t grow up in the information age.

    Obama didn’t even know what a widget is.

    You people make fun of McCain’s age but Obama at 46 is just as foreign to technology as people McCain’s age.

    Obama has no educational background or career background with technology.

  • Obama couldn’t pass a basic level computer science course.

    Obama himself has admitted he is terrible with numbers.

    Obama was trained as a lawyer.

    Obama is clueless at economics and technology. He has no background or experience in those areas.

    Obama was born to be a lawyer not a computer scientist or economist.

    Obama is terrible with numbers he even admits it.

    My point is that Obama isn’t a businessman and his love is law not technology.

    Obama’s talents are not with numbers. He is uncomfortable talking about numbers.

    Obama says 57 states.

    Obama says 10,000 people died in a tornado in Kansas.

    Obama says 100 million died in Burma.

    Obama went to law school not business school.

    Obama doesn’t have the skills to have an IT background.

    Obama himself admits he is terrible at math.

  • What is Obama’s business background does Obama have for using technology.

    What is Obama’s background dealing with the economy and technology.

    Obama is a lawyer. Economics and technology are not his thing.

    Obama didn’t run a state where he helped constituents deal with the economy and technology.

    Obama has never been an executive. He never ran a business.

    What is his economic background?

  • I’m very amused by the Carpetbagger’s attempt to boost comment numbers using an Eliza-like program called “Jeff”, even if it does fail the Turing Test pretty badly.

    I particularly like the idea of a machine process ‘complaining’ about how someone doesn’t understand technology. Very wry humor, that.

    However, it seems to have gotten stuck in a loop. Could someone reboot it? Thanks.

  • 71.On July 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, jeff said:
    Politico is hardly right wing.

    Yet you are right wing and you cite it approvingly and consider it a must-read. I can’t think of any liberal blogs that link to Politico except to make fun of it and mock it’s bias.

  • Keep bashing McCain’s service record Steve.

    I fully intend to, jeffie. It’s been embellished and re-invented so many times that it’s more lie than truth now. All you’re doing is participating in the reinvention.

    Do you really feel “powerful” by repeating the schlock that you’ve been told to hand out? Because you’re not. You’re just a tool—and a broken one, at that.

    McCain graduated 894th out of 899 midshipmen in his class; he barely squeaked by in Mathematics.

    He was hot down on his 23rd mission. How did he manage to get another plane to crash in? You mean he really lost 6 planes?

    He got his ass shot down by doing the one thing no bomb-run pilot is ever, EVER supposed to do—he circled ’round and taunted his target with a “low-n-slow.” For that, he deserved to get shot down. He ought to count himself lucky he was flying during Viet Nam—if it has been WW2, he’s have been beheaded on the spot by the Japanese.

    Point is, jeffie—he got what he deserved because of his stupid party-animal antics.

    Anything else? Maybe how he “ducked” his responsibilities at Annapolis? You’re maybe gonna tell us that he single-handedly turned back those Soviet freighters loaded to the gills with nuclear weapons or something?

  • Geez, biggerbox, @87… You sure ran me through my googling paces with your “Eliza programs” and “Turing Tests”; just finding out what they were was exhausting to my ‘puter-illiterate self and I’m pretty sure I still don’t think I fully understand what’s involved in passing or failing the second…

    What jeff’s postings remind *me* of is a ‘puter I saw 20yrs ago, when my son dragged me to the Science Museum in Boston (payback I guess, for my dragging him to Victoria and Albert in London, the year before). That particular ‘puter was advertised as an “intelligent” one and you were encouraged to have a conversation with it, so my son did (I will talk to plants but refuse to talk to machines, however “intelligent”; there’s a limit. Cuss ’em out — yes. Talk to them — no way).

    And that “conversation” was pretty much like “conversation” with jeff; sooner or later, some word my son used would trigger some pre-coded response and we’d be back to the same ground — word for word — we’d covered before. Including the same (apologetic) response to my son’s “you’re not intelligent, you’re stupid”.

  • Crashing planes…barbecue…”fire! good”…suicidal political flip-flops…………….

    Maybe McCain’s got a “self-immolation fetish.” The frightening part is: Who’s waiting in the wings to take his place, once he crashes and burns for the last time? The more dumb stuff he does, the more he looks like a “store-front operation” to cover up what’s going on in the smoke-filled back room….

  • Um…let me just say this….were any presidents in the last 200+ years computer literate or even know what a computer was? Let’s be realistic here. Maybe two of the last 43 presidents have known how to use a computer. Since when does lack of computer skills disqualify someone from being a good candidate for the presidency??

  • In response to #96, first of all, how would you know if any of those presidents were computer literate or not, as computers have been around for decades, and second, in those days, computers were not utilized as they are in today’s age, so that point may be moot anyways.

    In my opinion, McCain’s lack of basic computer skills do not disqualify him from being president, but they do project an image of over-dependency and an attitude of being stuck in the past. Not overly disturbing, but just something to think about…

  • McCain’s comfort with things pre-1990’s go beyond communication devices.

    He thinks solar panels and wind farms are Buck Rogers far flung future stuff so we need to drill for a few more dribs and drabs fo oil. That’s how we dun it befur, it’s how we kin do it agin!

    S’ tuff to teach an old Senator new tricks.

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