McCain makes the race personal, attacks Obama’s integrity

It was probably inevitable that John McCain would abandon his pledge to focus exclusively on the issues, and steer clear of personal attacks, I just didn’t expect it as early as June.

John McCain, in his sharpest attack yet against rival Barack Obama, said the Democratic presidential candidate’s word “cannot be trusted.”

“This election is about trust — trust in people’s word, McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, told several hundred donors at a $2 million GOP fundraiser in Louisville, Kentucky yesterday. “And unfortunately, apparently on several items, Senator Obama’s word cannot be trusted.”

McCain, a four-term Arizona senator, said Obama has gone back on his word by pledging to take public financing during the general election and then deciding not to do so. Obama on June 19 announced he won’t accept public financing for his presidential campaign, calculating that he can raise far more than the $84.1 million he would get in government funds. […]

[U]ntil yesterday McCain hadn’t accused Obama, 46, a first-term Illinois senator, of being untrustworthy. “I’ll keep my word to the American people. You can trust me,” McCain said.

The irony, of course, is that McCain said Obama “cannot be trusted” to keep his word the exact same afternoon in which McCain broke his promise to voters on immigration policy, and abandoned his own “pledge” to the public.

If McCain wants to criticize Obama for bypassing the public-financing system, fine. It’s odd, of course, given McCain’s apparently illegal decision to play fast and loose with the public-financing system, but if he sees this as a key issue, it’s up to him to craft his own strategy.

But does John McCain really want to talk about which candidate “cannot be trusted”? Is this really an invitation to review the instances in which McCain has either lied to voters or broken his word?

We can make this campaign personal. It wouldn’t be pleasant, and it would make McCain look pretty bad, but if he wants to talk about honesty and character, we can go there.

I’m reminded of this recent Arianna Huffington item about McCain “issuing heartfelt denials of things that were actually true.”

He denied ever talking with John Kerry about his leaving the GOP to be Kerry’s ’04 running mate — then later admitted he had, insisting: “Everybody knows that I had a conversation.”

He denied admitting that he didn’t know much about economics, even though he’d said exactly that to the Wall Street Journal. And the Boston Globe. And the Baltimore Sun.

He denied ever having asked for a budget earmark for Arizona, even though he had. On the record.

He denied that he’d ever had a meeting with comely lobbyist Vicki Iseman and her client Lowell Paxon, even though he had. And had admitted it in a legal deposition.

And those are just the outright denials. He’s also repeatedly tried to spin away statements he regretted making (see: 100-year war, Iraq was a war for oil, etc.).

Or for that matter, take a look at the Official McCain Flip-Flop List. Most of the 48 reversals include John McCain promising voters he wants to go in one direction, and then promising them soon after that he wants to go in a completely different direction. He has a habit of making one pledge, and soon after, making the opposite pledge.

Indeed, on Friday, McCain took credit for the passage of a veterans’ bill he opposed, and on Saturday, McCain vowed to a group of Latino voters that he’d support an immigration bill he’s vowed to oppose.

“On several items, Senator Obama’s word cannot be trusted”? I don’t have a background in psychology, but I’m pretty sure this is called “projection.”

Q: What’s McCain’s stand on _______________?
A: Not sure, what time is it?

  • McCain’s word can always be trusted, because he has pledged support for both sides so many major issues. Both John McCains, the mavericky independent and the dependable conservative, give consistent messages to their respective constituencies.

    Elect John McCain and you get two for the price of one!

  • oh, it can get much much worse than that. Obama needs to get over this high ground thing and let the 527s run wild. McCain wants to make this about character? He who dumped the wife who waited for him to run off with a rich young woman? He who was part of the S&L scandals? He who was willing to sell out his own country’s industry for a few bucks from lobbyists for Airbus? He who is rumored (and who has never disproven the allegation) that he screws goats?

    you wanna go to the gutter Johnny? the intertubes are just made for that kind of thing, and you don’t have the first clue how they work or how to use ’em. so yeah doddering old fool, you just go ahead and start it and see how it ends up. i got me some pent up frustration about how you and yours have screwed the nation and the world the last 7 years and I’m just itchin to work it out at your expense. and i got a high speed connection, blast mail software, and photoshop to go with it.

  • So let’s talk about trust and truth telling. Then let’s play that clip where Chris Wallace asked McCain if it’s true he didn’t vote for Bush. I’ve not understood why that clip is not posted on every liberal or Democratic blog or analyzed in an Olbermann piece.

    McCain manages in less than half a minute to answer the question, “of course” and then “of course not”, all the while maintaining that hideously painful grimace that is sometimes referred to as his “smile”.

  • That’s why I love the term “Jukebox John”. Every few minutes, it’s a different tune. Anyone paying attention knows McCain can’t be trusted, but people who would vote for him *never* pay attention. He’s just the latest puppet in the Republican Puppet Show, and, boy oh boy, do those guys love puppets!

    Him getting personal this quick in the game is a *GREAT* sign – He’s scared because the writing is already on the wall. It will be delicious to watch him flutter in the wind the next several months. It will be a hard fought, as well as annoyingly stupid on the Republican side, battle, but we will win.

    Welcome home, President Obama. It’s *SO* good to see you.

  • I, too, love Jukebox John. it works on so many levels – the spinning, the “pick your position, putting coin in and paying for your play, and it is catchy. it would be good for everyone to consolidate on that nickname.

  • McCain has dishonored his family name; he has dishonored the Service, he has dishonored the Senate, the Nation, and the People.

    McCain is the antonym of integrity, come to life. However, given the attacks on Obama’s integrity that have been posted the past several days on McCain’s blogsite, it’s no surprise that he’s doing it on his own now. He needs a “scary-thing” symbol to take the eyes of the People off his myriad misdeeds and Nth-per-day flipflops

    McCain—the poster-child for involuntary euthanasia. Pass the soylent green….

  • A man who cheated on his wife, got in bed with lobbyists and Charles Keating, and has reversed himself on nearly 50 positions doesn’t get to challenge the trustworthiness of another human being.

    Fuck you, McCain. It’s on.

  • Is there any sort of time line as to when the mighty powers of ObamaCash, ObamaRhetoric, DemocraticUnity and ObamaOrganizationalPerfection are going to get going?

    The only entities that I see really pushing back against Ancient McBush are the blogs. Ancient McBush wanders the streets murmuring and bloviating like some demented shopping cart jockey and there doesn’t seem to be any price to pay at all. There isn’t a tight screw on his entire rattletrap worldview. But it continues to roll along without getting kicked to pieces. Hell, it wouldn’t take much.

    After 8+ years of brainless nonsense from Shruby, it would be nice if McBush could at least be made to wonder if the idiocy he’s about to speak isn’t going to make his life more miserable than if he kept his mouth shut.

  • Don’t forget the new one — at least Barack Obama pays his property taxes on time, which the McCains couldn’t be bothered to do. Must be hard to pay attention to all of those details when you have seven or eight houses.

  • You leftists lie again.

    Obama is the one who made it personal. Obama said McCain didn’t care about the troops in Iraq when in fact one of troops in Iraq is McCain’s own 19 year old son Jimmy and another is about to graduate from the Navy academy.

    Obama accused McCain of helping to cause the floods in the midwest when the flood waters were still rising in some areas. When in fact all McCain did was vote with Claire McCaskill and Russ Feingold to prioritze the flood money so it would actually get to the vital projects. Obama voted to give the levees the same priority as the other pork in the bill like the museum in mississippi.

  • The problem is that McCain’s accusation is getting a lot of play in the traditional media (I saw Chuck Todd mention it on MTP this morning), but McCain’s constant reversals, flip-flops and misrepresentations, as far as I can tell, are not mentioned.

    CB is on top of it, but is Obama pushing back on this flip-flop narrative? Is Obama informing the media and the electorate about McCain’s illegal campaign spending activities? All I hear is silence.

    Dems, Obama included, still don’t seem to have learned that “conventional wisdom” is not determined by facts. It’s determined by who says the same thing over and over and over again, without pushback, until the media absorbs it as true.

  • To Molly you are lying. Cindy McCain owns those properties. She had a great aunt living there.

    A bank was handling the finainces and the taxes were never mailed to the bank. They were mailed to a wrong address all those years.

    To say they purposefully didn’t pay there taxes is another lie from the left.

    I HATE HOW THE LEFT LOVES TO LIE.

  • David, your peeps told you “everybody” thought there were WMD in Iraq. They told you for six years that the economy is going great and heading in the right direction. They told you they were ready for Katrina. That tax cuts would pay for themselves. They would bring decency back to the White House and that only a few stray Republicans in Congress were corrupt. When books come out, even from insiders, rather than continue to lie about things like why we went to war, or how Valerie Plame was outed, or how little emphasis was given to Al Qaeda before 9/11, they merely respond “Oh, that’s old news.” At some point, don’t you have to look at yourself and admit that maybe your truth detecting capacity is just a bit imperfect?

  • The great Barry O is on video saying don’t remove any troops from iraq when he was running for the senate. The great Barry O said don’t set any date for withdrawal.

    Go to youtube and type in Obama don’t bring troops home and you can see the video.

  • Now here, at last is something I can agree with John McCain on. I don’t think Obama can be trusted either. But sadly for McCain, I distrust him even MORE than I distrust Obama, who has morphed from an agent of “change” (whatever the hell that is–whatever you want it to be, I guess) to just another tired, lazy, Bush policy-embracing Democratic hack.

    Heck, they both make me sick. I think I’ll vote for Bob Barr.

  • The Republicans have hit on their issue this election season: Obama lies and flip-flops, he can’t be trusted. This attack by McCain and visits by trolls like David are the opening salvo. This is what happens when you move to the right as Obama has chosen to do, you open yourself up to this sort of attack, and the slime machine is going to take full advantage. They have to, it’s all they are good at.

    Yes, McCain has lied and flip-flopped far more just since 2003 than Obama will do in his whole life, but McCain is a maverick so the media is never going to cover any of that. Expect this to be the most exasperating ever, I advise everyone with blood-pressure problems to stop watching television news now, you may save your life many times over by November.

  • David said:

    The great Barry O is on video saying don’t remove any troops from iraq when he was running for the senate. The great Barry O said don’t set any date for withdrawal.

    Go to youtube and type in Obama don’t bring troops home and you can see the video.

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    right .. do yourself a favor and go to the local market and buy yourself a giant tube of preparation h .. then apply to what you consider to be your ‘brain’ … that will solve your problems RIGHT there …

  • CB, what’s the point of saying “we can go there” when you’ve already been going there over the past several weeks?

    Is there a difference between a pledge or a vow and an ordinary campaign statement about future action? I don’t think it is helpful to characterize everything a candidate says during a campaign as a pledge or vow (which connotes a promise, not a plan once elected).

    I’m not sure what “personal” means when the McCain quote refers to a public statement made by Obama during his campaign, not to any private action or behavior. Is it the adjective dishonest? Isn’t that the same as saying inexperienced or arrogant (elitist)? Weren’t those things also personal? This is sort of like Rambo II: This time its personal. Wasn’t RAMBO I personal?

    Actions speak louder than words. McCain’s acceptance of public financing for his campaign is accompanied by an action (filing a form?), not a pledge or a vow, and it conflicts with his other actions in fundraising and spending, not just his words. Obama’s remarks about perhaps accepting public financing in the general election under certain circumstances were words. I think that is an important difference. Obama’s calling off the 527’s is an action, not a pledge or vow. It is entirely consistent with his statement about how the election ought to be conducted, and his complaint that McCain would evade public financing rules by using his own 527’s to support his campaign. Obama’s actions are clearly more consistent with adherence to public financing than McCain’s.

  • right on mary … good for you………… what you said reflects actual reality … not the make believe of the corporate media .. or the right wing buffoons ………….

  • Shalimar – yes the Repubs have their issue for the 2008 campaign. . . the same one they used in 2004. It got them close enough to steal Ohio and with it the White House, so may as well go back for more. As it turns out, not only are Republicans out of ideas for governing, they have now run out of ideas for campaigning as well.

    If only the Dems would learn to work the media half as well as R’s, we’d be in great shape.

  • 16.David said: Go to youtube and type in Obama don’t bring troops home and you can see the video.

    Troll class hasn’t gotten to cutting and pasting links yet?

  • The old mirror-talk: accuse your opponent of your own greatest weakness. In psychology, CB, it’s aptly called defensive projection.
    And, David #14, check out the facts before you let your belly rumble: Dan McAllister, treasurer- tax collector for San Diego County, told Newsweek, “Under the law, the property owner is responsible for keeping the address current.”

  • The point of defensive projection is that by projecting a trait onto another person you can then work to eradicate it in that other person (as you wish to do with your own trait). It occurs under threat, that’s why it is called defensive. It is one of a group of defense mechanisms.

    Unless you can show that McCain is: (1) under threat instead of doing the attacking; and (2) wishes to eradicate public financing in himself so he is doing it to Obama instead, the term doesn’t fit very well.

    It sounds nifty to use these terms, especially when you believe it is a bad thing to use a defense mechanism, instead of part of normal coping that everyone does, but there isn’t a very good analogy between personality dynamics and campaign dynamics. It winds up just being a misuse of poorly understood jargon that reduces psychology to pop psychology. The problem with that is that psychology has little enough respect from the general public without being further misunderstood and misapplied.

    On second thought, just call him an old fart.

  • Obama said we shouldn’t bring the troops home back in April 2004, because they needed to stay for the rebuilding and creation of a democratic Iraq, and now he’s a hypocrite for saying we need to bring them home now four years later? Are you fucking kidding me?

  • “I’ll keep my word to the American people. You can trust me,”

    Brought to you courtesy of John McCain…the man with more positions than the Kama Sutra.

  • “This election is about trust — trust in people’s word, and unfortunately, apparently on several items, Senator Obama’s word cannot be trusted.”

    This from a man who dumped his old, disabled wife for a richer, younger woman. How can we trust Senator McCain to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution when he couldn’t even keep his marital vows?

  • TR a hypocrite for saying he will end the war. Then he tells another audience how he will keep troops in iraq going after al queda, keep them there to train iraqis, keep them there to guard the embassy.

    A top Obama advisor said his plan would require 80,000 troops You also need troops to guard the airport, supply lines.

    Obama is trying to have it both ways.

  • TR a hypocrite because Edwards was the only one in the debate who when asked if he would bring home all the troops said yes.

    Edwards said he would remove personnel from the embassy and everywhere. Obama didn’t agree.

    So when Obama talks about ending the war it is a obamaspeak.

  • A bank was handling the finainces and the taxes were never mailed to the bank.

    Factual point: The taxes were mailed to an address provided to the taxation agency by either (1) Cindy McCain, or (2) the trust responsible for the specific property.

    Factual point: The trust managing the specific property is overseen by the bank-in-question.

    They were mailed to a wrong address all those years.

    Factual point: Under California law (which is identical to Arizona law in this regard), the property owner (Cindy McCain—since we already know that everything they own is in her name) is responsible for providing the taxation agency with the current address to which the tax bill is to be sent. Regardless of how many “trusts”* she has, it is the sole responsibility of Cindy McCain to provide that address—thus identifying her as the individual who failed to carry through on her responsibility to pay said taxes.

    Factual point: Under various laws existing in one form or another in all 50 states, Cindy McCain is solely responsible for the actions/mis-actions of any trust established by her. Her husband did not establish these trusts; neither did her children. She initiated the action of formulating the trusts, and they all lead to her name:

    CINDY MCCAIN.

    This will lead, eventually, to the exposure of more “front” trusts—and davie-boy can roll out the “you lie” meme until he turns into a deceased smurf, for all I care.

    *An example of “trusts” being used for illicit means can be found here:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/July/04_tax_500.htm

  • I suspect blogs like this do a great job of preaching to the choir.

    When did McCain discover “integrity”? In his 50’s? Long after he had wasted a free government paid education at the Naval Academy? After he had crashed at least two government-issue planes through his poor judgment “hot-dogging”? After he had ruined his first marriage by womanizing? After he, as a still-married man, had chased a young and beautiful blond heiress around Hawaii until he caught her? After his involvement with the Keating group?

    McCain’s whole life has been fueled by personal ambition. I believe that a whole life is the sum of its parts, McCain, despite his media fueled reputation as a straight-talking maverick, has some definite holes in his character and integrity which disqualify him for consideration as our next president.

    His five years experience as a prisoner-of-war, may be admirable and deserving of our respect, but they do not, in my opinion, qualify him to be the next leader of the United States.

  • lets see, David’s posts are short. David is being a dick.

    That makes David a (help me out, audience). . .

    This actually explains a lot about the personality David is exhibiting here.

  • One nice development is that Mary isn’t pretending to be a Democratic Hillary-supporting troll anymore. Now she’s made it obvious that she’s an anti-Dem, McCain defending Republican troll.

    It must be nice not to have to pretend anymore eh Mary?

  • As you say, Mary (#26), call him an OLD FART.

    Trouble is, it’s weak on strategy. When we look at Old Fart Jukebox Johnny McCun*’s high horse we find all its legs broken (poor thing). Of course, we want to help the horse, not the old *uck abusing a dead donkey. What you say looks very clever and I would have great fun ripping it to shreds, but let’s just say that ‘projection’ is a spurious defense mechanism we all fall victim to, through blindness or perversity, when the going gets tough. In political and campaign dynamics it has become a hallmark of ReThuglican tactics, and as such is entirely pathetic and despicable. It is repleat with disingenuous deception and maleficence, and cannot be excused by the kinder self-deception commonly found in ordinary folks. No — this is the intentional strategy of a gang of disreputable, depleted malcontents and nutjobs hiding behind the cardboard cutout of an old fart.

    Does that help to avoid the “misuse of poorly understood jargon” for you?

  • Running for Prisoner of War of the United States is hard work. Very hard work. None of McAce’s pronouncements will be attached to lies until he’s held accountable for them by the MSM. You know, those guys and gals that always show up for his free barbecues? Pass the baloney. Nauseating…

  • I, personally, have seen no evidence that McCain has sex with goats. However, now that it’s “out there”, as they say in the mainstream media, (h.t. to character is for cartoons), I think it’s only appropriate to apply the Peggy Noonan standard. Is it irresponsible to speculate about McCain’s fondness for farm animals? It would be irresponsible NOT to! 😉

  • Well, David’s Secret . . . let me see . . . he’s a . . . tiny conservative dick? Um, I don’t know. Just guessin’ . . .

    By the way, that in itself can’t be David’s real secret. I wonder what it may be . . . anyone?

  • Jimwa said:

    Well, David’s Secret . . . let me see . . . he’s a . . . tiny conservative dick? Um, I don’t know. Just guessin’ . . .

    By the way, that in itself can’t be David’s real secret. I wonder what it may be . . . anyone?

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    his real secret is the fact that he is a eunach ….a ball less buffoon that is paid to do repiglican tricks just like a monkey with a little hat one, attached to an accordian, and dancing to the music …………

  • Remember how Steve (Benen) used to watch the debates so that we didn’t have to? Well, someone at the NYT has been watching the Sunday shows, bless his heart. Apparently, Wes Clark did some more shooting down of McCain’s “experience”. And both Nader’s and Barr’s appearances are interesting too.
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/highlights-of-the-sunday-shows/index.html?hp

    And yeah, it’s still on topic — sort of — because the McCain’s attack on Obama’s integrity gets mentioned in the article, also

  • Well i may say that while both might be lying, who is lying to the american public more, definately its Mccain, i hope 4more years of republicans will ruin the american image abroad, atleast for now america has less respect than it was during the clinton era.

  • “I, personally, have seen no evidence that McCain has sex with goats”

    Well we know for a fact that he screws a shrew.

    If John McCain had any integrity this might work, but let’s face it, from the Keating 5 onward he’s always been dodgy.He’s leveraged the POW thing and his “maverick schtick for all its worth. In 2000 when George Bush shat on his face and he licked it off, McCain lost any shred of credibility he might have had.

  • Quoting Wes Clark from Libra’s link above:

    “When Mr. Schieffer then questioned what executive responsibility Senator Obama had held – his resume includes work as a community organizer in Chicago and eight years in the Illinois legislature – Mr. Clark said that the Democratic candidate was running on the strength of his character and good judgment.”

    Doesn’t this make Obama’s personal qualities appropriate to examine? How can one run on character and then say “but don’t get personal?”

    For the record, this is neither an anti-Obama nor a pro-McCain question. It is a matter of common sense and logic.

  • …in bed with Charles Keating! eeeeeeew!

    Behold the magnificent charisma that IS John McCain!!! He’s in bed with so many it’s like Love American Style…Swingtown!

  • Wow, not much to add here. But didn’t Obama abandon progressive issues so he could go to the middle, while McCain abandoned middle issues so he could go to the right? The choice is clear.

  • Once and for all get it straight on public campaign finance.. It’s purpose was to prevent huge donations from special interests to dominate a campaign by making available public money so special interest money did not control,

    Obama realized that the majority of his donations were coming in multiple small contributions from the public which is what public finance was supposed to achieve. By refusing to take money from lobbyists and depending on small contributions from citizens OBAMA IS ACTING IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCE SET OUT TO ACHIEVE. It is in the spirit of public campaign financing that Obama has stood all along. He explained this once to all that wanted to hear. He opted out to keep from being restricted in the amounts but the sources remained consistent with public campaign financing.

    McCain on the other hand is gettting large donations from lobbyists and special interests which he wasn’t getting when he opted for public finance. He then used the projected funds to obtain loans that he would pay back with public money…then big donors finally started contributing and so McCain now rejects public finance (but it’s too late because he wouldn’t have gotten the loan money without using public funds as collateral). McCain has the nerve to mention integrity regarding public campaign financing??? What a joke.

    And David is stretching years together as days to make it seem like Obama hasn’t been consistent on his stand about Iraq ignoring the fact that McCain has been wrong about Iraq every step of the way.

    America cannot survive another 4yr of republican obstructionist rule. We may not survive this one. Just look at some of the things Bush wants to leave Obama just to ruin his presidency (and of course the country suffers from it):….”The Fed will wait until after the election to raise interest rates: Bush has stated he will make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq and he plans to do this by nuking Iran so there will be a nest of terrorists for a 100yrs wanting revenge for the fallout and destroying millions of innocent people…more than Iraq even; Only the wealthy will be able to afford gas and America will protect the very wealthy because it has become a police state without a functioning 4th amendment. The Bush/Cheney republican obstructionist disaster will continue long into Obama’s presidency thanks to the republicans masquerading as democrats like Hoyer etc. Do not rest until the last republican is removed from public office and the privatization and profiteering democracy is replaced with the real thing.

  • TR said:
    A man who cheated on his wife, got in bed with lobbyists

    There was suspicion that he cheated on his current wife with a lobbyist, vicki Iseman.

  • If they want to make it personal, let everyone cut and paste the following and send it out in e-mail to everyone they know – let it “go viral.” Eventually, this cojld be bigger than “Obama Osama the Muslim” and perhaps even the MSM would pick it up:

    The Truth About John McCain, War Hero:

    John McCain did more damage to the United States Navy in five minutes in August 1967 than the North Vietnamese did in ten years.

    LCDR McCain, decided to “pull a joke” and do a wet start on his A-4E Skyhawk when getting ready for an Alpha Strike from the USS Forrestal. A “wet start” is completely illegal. It involves shooting fuel into the engine before start-up. The result is the engine will shoot a flame out the tail about 6-10 feet, which surprises everyone in the vicinity. It is completely against Navy regulations to do this, but McCain had a “maverick” image in the Navy of being the guy who didn’t follow the rules.

    This time, he put too much fuel in, and the flame shot out the tail far enough to hit the F-4B Phantom lined up on the flight deck behind him. The 600-gallon centerline fuel tank was covered in fire and immediately lit off. The Pilot and RIO in the cockpit were trapped and burned to death. The fire lit off two Zuni 5-rocket packs on the inner pylons of the F-4. the rockets cooekd off and fired into the formation of 12 Skyhawks immediately ahead – each airplane full of fuel and carrying a full bomb-load. They exploded when hit and the fire spread on the flight deck.

    When it was all over, 137 crewment of the USS Forrestal were dead, 400 were injured from fighting the fire, and a US Navy aircraft carrier was out of action for two years of repairs – at the height of the war in Vietnam.

    Normally, the guy responsible for such an event would be up on general court-martial charges for dereliction of duty (at a minimum). But LCDR John McCain was the son of 4-star Admiral John McCain, who was at the time Commander of US Naval Air Forces, Pacific Fleet. A court-martial was out of the question.

    LCDR McCain was transferred the following week to the USS Oriskany. He wasn’t off scot-free, since he was at the time up for his third try at promotion to full Commander. He knew this was not going to happen and that his naval career was over as a result of this event. He would be out of the Navy when the Oriskany returned to the United States at the end of their tour of duty.

    Two months later, LCDR McCain’s luck changed for the better when he once again violated orders and common sense, and turned back after bombing a target in North Vietnam. He went back low and slow, and surprise surprise – they were waiting for him and he got shot down.

    Now LCDR McCain was in the “POW promotion system,” in which POWs were promoted at the first opportunity they were up for the next rank. That Novembver 1967, he became what he could never have been otehrwise: promoted to Commander.

    By 1973, McCain had been promoted to Captain. When he returned, the Navy put him in charge of the Replacement Air Group for Attack Squadrons in the Atlantic Fleet – a major command. 18 months later, he had screwed the pooch so thoroughly that the Navy informed him there was no possibility of there being a third Admiral McCain. They sent him to Washington to cash in on his hero status, where he ran what was called a “rendezvous”for Cognressmen and their staffers as part of the Navy’s congressional lobbying effort to get new toys. It was here that he met a young beer heiress at one of the parties.

    The rest is history.

    This is who we want as President of the United States??

  • Four more years of a gutless, responsibility-dodging, yellow dog of a cowardly cat who doesn’t give a flying fark about the rules is not what this nation needs. It is time to undo the damage….

  • Two consecutive posts at TPM, both quick reads, as to why Obamarama needs to get it’s act together and start taking it to Ancient McBush. I hope the fast bunny, Obama, doesn’t think he accomplished some great thing by beating the other bunny, Hillary, and takes a break while the old tortoise keeps meandering along kicking the bunny’s little butt in the process.

    I feel a lack of seriousness on the part of the Dems. A lack of urgency. A lack of comprehension. Nothing is in the bag. I hope they get that. So far not so encouraging.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/202072.php

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/202068.php

  • Newsweek is reporting McCain has been delinquent on taxes with one of his seven properties. Why have democrats not taken this opportunity slam McSame on his lack of integrity? its time for democrats to start aggressively taking McSame on.

  • Given all the other money that the wealthy republicans can spend i only think it makes sense — if McCain stop 501 spending from his backers then maybe if would make sense but actually i never give and prefer not to give letting candidates raise their own money. In fact McCain should also not take public money rather given that money back to the tax payers

    Obama is just being smart!!!!!!!

    AND FOR MCCAIN’s PERSONAL ATTACKS OUTSIDE ISSURES LET HIM CAUSES VOTERS WILL VOTE TURN AGAINST AGAINST HIM and THAT CR__ — KEEP IT UP AND OBAMA BY 20% MAYBE EVEN WORST LANDSLIDE EVER!

    ALSO NOTE MCCAIN DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT FOR COMMANDER AND CHIEF BECAUSE OF HIS WAR AND HE IS DEAD WRONG ON PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS VS TREATS, ANGER, and WAR AS THEY ARE OLD BUSH FAILED POLICIES

  • Why do I get this feeling that this ‘David’ is desperate to turn the whole world into black and white? Err, that is, right and left. Any criticism against McCain, warranted or fictitious, is in fact representative of the entire ‘left’, whatever that’s supposed to mean.

    If I’m for government restrictions on company greenhouse gas emissions, against universal health care, for gay marriage but against abortion, where am I, David?

    Or if I’m for continuing the war in Iraq, overturning the Patriot Act, supporting second amendment rights, am against NAFTA, and for stem cell research, am I a ‘leftist commie’ again? Or on the side of the Holy Right?

    Honestly, ‘left’ is not an insult, and if you knew the first thing about political philosophy you’d know as much.

  • Barack Obama is a racist pig. Why would anyone want to vote for a worthless bigot like him?

  • This is in response to #51, Tome Cleaver.

    It is sad when the liberal left shows there true colors. In order to try to make McCain look less the hero – you take a moment of tragic history and attribute it to McCain who wasn’t even assigned at the time.

    See: http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm

    You took the facts and twisted them around to make a good story seem believable, but anyone with a lick of sense and use of the Google can easily see the lies members of Obamanation are spewing.

    Here’s the facts folks – no matter what the major media posts with their skewed polls of hand selected pollees, and other such BS out there, there is one overwhelming fact.

    Despite all of the “enlightenment” and “hope” that is supposedly evolving around this nation, there still resides a subconscious thread of rascism and distrust among white, black, native, latinos, etc. We don’t like to admit this openly, but it still is there. No one when confronted in a phone call will admit readily they won’t vote for a person based on race, so they say what they think will make them appear “enlightened”.

    However, in the solitary confines of the voting booth – a person will vote according to his/her true percetions and beliefs.

    This is why Obama, regardless his coalitions and seemingly unbeatable ground forces, will end up losing to McCain. America for the most part is unprepared and unwilling to have this country led by a black president. History has been made in the fact a major party nomination has been won by an African American. That’s as much “enlightenment” and “growth” you will see as a nation this election season.

    I believe the Senate and House will be retained by the Democrats, however, the races will be close and there will be ground lost, simply because the Democrats did not deliver on their promises, especially when they control both. I also believe that Democrats have seen that the average American has a whole different set of values that are not matched by the Democratic liberal agenda and espoused by their special interest groups.

    With the Congress held by the Democrats, there will be a sway to McCain for the win, and possibly even a tight race. But traditionally, there has always been a higher percentage of whites that vote, and they traditionally vote towards the Republicans, and will probably do so again. Even if the black vote came out in record numbers to bust all previous records, they still do not have the numbers to counter the white numbers, even with an outstanding latino vote for Obama.

    These are just facts – I don’t support either candidate. There is much about Obama that scares the crap out of me, like his Global Poverty Act that he sponsored and trying to ram down our throats. If passed, it will require the US to provide over $840 billion to the UN in foreign aid, to support their mission of eliminating poverty. Most of this money will go to support socialist programs and governments that have historically acted in contradiction to freedom and human rights that we espouse.

    However, I find just as much to be dismayed about McCain, foir he does not support ideals and practices that follow my own convictions. This is why I am a member of and support the Constitution Party.

  • Right out of the Rovian playbook, take your biggest shortcoming, and pin it on your opponent.

  • Dennis-SGMM

    None of the historical I read mentioned him by name – yours does.

    However – in this article you post – I quote:

    It was just about 10:50 a.m. (local time). The launch that was scheduled for a short time later was never made. Lt. Cmdr. John S. McCain III, later a prisoner of war in Vietnam and still later U.S. Senator from Arizona, said later he heard a “whooshy” sound then a “low-order explosion” in front of him. Suddenly, two A-4s ahead of his plane were engulfed in flaming jet fuel — JP-5 — spewed from them. A bomb dropped to the deck and rolled about six feet and came to rest in a pool of burning fuel.

    Please note the explosion was in FRONT of his craft – not behind – as the previous poster had stated erringly. The explosion was not caused by McCain.

    So – I am willing to admit – I was in error regarding his being on the ship – however – I was not in error that the previous poster’s story was full of crap. His story was a lie, simple as that.

  • Unfortunately John McCain’s memory is showing early signs of failure – this is understandable , he is an old man before his time, his body broken, his gait unsteady, his short fuse.
    John plays the age card, he often refers to Barack as that “young man” (all 47 years) What will he or his henchmen say when Obama says McCain is an “old man”
    Will they say it is unfair ? Probably ! However, it is true he is old and therefore should find a comfortable place to enjoy the remainder of his life. He does not deserve the slings and arrows that will arrive now until November.

  • I watched Senator McCain today, the poor guy looks like death warmed over. He a sickly palor about him and seems to have no enthusiasm whatsover; he seemed very confused, perhaps he no longer hears very well? At 72 years old, he really should not be running for President. He has boasted about his mom’s lontivity; however, that does not mean he will live as long. It has been proven women live longer than men.

    TOM CLEAVER is absolutely correct in his entry. I watched the documentary on John McCain’s years in VietNam, on the History Channel. John McCain should have been courtmartialed for the deaths of his comrades and for the damages he incurred to government assets. I suppose his Daddy got him out of that one! The fact McCain keeps talking about his military service and his POW status seems to be a “sympathy ploy”; however those are not valid reasons to put him in charge of our country. Just HOW did he help our nation while being a POW?? It is my understanding he got preferential treatment while a POW because of his daddy and grandaddy’s status as admirals. His injuries were the result of his being shot down, and not the result of being tortured. I am not saying he wasn’t questioned and threatened, tho. Frankly I am sick and tired of McCain talking about his military service and POW status which occured 35+ years ago. Times have changed, evidently McCain has not!! He is totally out of touch with today’s world; the man has even admitted he is computer illiterate and depends on his wife to do his correspondence. Cannot even use E-mail! In today’s world it is a MUST KNOW SKILL. Senator Obama is a computer whiz and it will come in very handy when he becomes our President.

  • I see the high road Obamites are here and hate filled as ever that anyone dare talk about their Demigod Obama. Get over it! Obama is a politician GET IT! His idea of change is to steal Clinton’s Platform, steal the presidential seal, steal other people’s word, put his foot in his mouth when left to answer on the fly, he is no different than any other politician. The DNC want him because they will control him.
    Change will not come from some wannbe God…it will come from us when we want..but the Obamites are so hateful and disgraceful in their actions, there will never be unity….

  • To see the real McCain, go to the website ‘Viet Nam veterans against McCain’ that will give you his real qualifications.

  • Obama is a politician GET IT!

    Well, duh, dumbfuck. He’s a former state senator, a current U.S. senator, and the presumptive presidential nominee of a major political party. Pretty much screams “politician” to anyone with two working brain cells.

    When does the new shipment of Republican trolls come in? These ones aren’t worth the effort.

  • Change will not come from some wannbe God…it will come from us when we want..

    The irony is that this is essentially Obama’s own argument. Too bad you’re too stupid to understand.

  • Look they keep talking about Mcain cheat. AH hello. Bill cheated as well and so have others in the white house. Me personally I don’t care what they do in the bed room. Just run the country. As for Obama I can’t stand someone who doesn’t hold their hand to their heart while the pledge is being sang. Wait forgot he was once Muslim. Sick fool.

  • McCain is attacking Obama? Well we can sure count on Obama’s campaign to not sling mud can’t we. We just have Wesley Clark attacking John McCain’s military experience. Thank god the liberal left supports our men in uniform!

  • I can’t stand someone who doesn’t hold their hand to their heart while the pledge is being sang.

    The pledge is never sung, Dork. The Star Mangled Banner is.

  • How did McCain go back on a promise on Immigration? He proposed a Bill, which the American people overwhelmingly rejected. So he is now going with the will of the people.

    Since when has it been wrong for an elected leader to make policy based on the will of the people! Americans rejected Immigration reform, you may not like that but that is a fact.

    McCain excepts the will the people to self govern. Maybe that concept is to alien to the liberal left!

  • McCain is attacking Obama?

    Depends on when you ask, Heather.

    3.20.08:

    “McCain insists repeatedly that he will not engage in personal attacks on Democrats, and CNN was told last week that campaign aides are working on an op-ed to be published in the senator’s name warning his surrogates and supporters not to do so.”

    Apparently he can’t keep the story straight and neither can you.

  • To Heather (comment 75)…

    How do you extrapolate “the liberal left doesn’t care about our men in uniform” from that statement? Clark said, in fact, that he respects McCain’s service, but that him being a POW or anything else he did does not qualify him to be POTUS. I think his point is, that you missed, that although McCain was in the military and he respects that, using military/POW experiences as a premise for one’s readiness from day 1 is misleading.

    Source:
    Click me

  • Gotta love people trolling left blogs… -sigh- Have you nothing better to do? Go kill something with you’re beloved guns or discriminate against people different from you. “Wait forgot he was once Muslim. Sick fool.” First, he was never Muslim, his father was who he barely knew as a child. Second, so what if he was Muslim? The amount of prejudice shown here is sick. In my opinion, Muslim beliefs are just as screwy as your presumably Christian beliefs. Besides, religion should have no part in any government. Freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion, that is the American way.

  • Also, Heather in comment 77, “How did McCain go back on a promise on Immigration? He proposed a Bill, which the American people overwhelmingly rejected. So he is now going with the will of the people.” Thats called flip-flopping in this political world. Its widely unpopular to become a puppet to what someone says if its in opposition to what you’re beliefs and opinions are. This damages ones reputation and trust for many people. If a politician that supports things that you do not and he or she flipped their opinion on any bill or what have you, would you say the same thing about them? Probably not. Most likely you would call them a flip-flopper and bash them for doing such a thing.

  • As Kenny points out, there’s a difference between critiquing one’s capability to lead the country based on their military experience, and actually criticizing someone’s military experience.

    I would say that if you’re greatly offended by any veteran having their military experience ‘attacked”, well you’re about four years too late.

    “Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry’s War Record”
    http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html

  • 77. Heather said: How did McCain go back on a promise on Immigration? He proposed a Bill, which the American people overwhelmingly rejected. So he is now going with the will of the people.

    You clearly missed the speech McCain gave to NALEO over the weekend. Going with the will of the people is so last week, he’s for his comprehensive immigration bill again.

  • Did not realize McCain was also a comedian. The King of flip flopping has
    some nerve.
    Cannot believe anyone would truly support and vote for this guy.
    Obama 08

  • Entertaining read…time to drink a couple McCains (Bush Lights) and see what the Liberal Media is up to…Actually, Obama pissed me off this week with the FISA bill BS, but on most of the issues, he’s preferable to Grandpa Munster…

  • “On several items, Senator Obama’s word cannot be trusted”? I don’t have a background in psychology, but I’m pretty sure this is called “projection.”

    Projection is the true foundation of Republican PR strategy. Project your weakness onto your opponent and attack it, so that when he tries to call you on it, he sounds like a child saying “Nuh uh, YOU are.” This is the essence of Rovian campaigning, especially when this attacks the opponent’s self-perceived strength. It takes away an opponent’s strength and your weakness in one move, and moves the public debate to terms you want.

    That’s the key to why they’re always on attack, and never stop to defend themselves – the press would rather cover a new attack than the lack of action on defense of an old one.

  • The GOP Consternation

    John McCain, what in the world can one do with a guy like this. He constanly misstates facts. Yet he rambles on day after day as though his multiple gaffs and mis ques are of no effect. From the former Czech Republic to accusing Barak Obama of wanting to lose a war for political gain, a very offensive accusation, to accrediting the ease of conflict in Iraq solely on the surge, forgetting or deliberately omitting the Sunni decision in expelling the insurgents from their territories and the laying down of their militia’s arms months prior to the surge.

    Then blaming Obama for the high gas prices as though the American public is stupid and will follow suit with that preposterous train of thought. He must think we are a bunch of imbeciles and idiots. That statement really insults all of our intelligence. We all know why gasoline is so high, and its not because of the lack of drilling within the United States or Obama. Oil speculators for the most part are responsible for the rising costs of oil. Besides, any benefit from drilling domestically won’t manifest itself until at least a decade from now. By the way, McCain was once against drilling and now for it. He also voted nay for keeping that oil for American citizens and instead wanted it for sale outside the of the United States. Yet, here he is acting as though he always had the American people’s best interest at heart. A very deceptive position. And the odd thing about it is that a lot of misguided people will believe him.

    He and his campaign accuse Barak Obama of flip flopping on issues when in fact McCain has flipped flopped on countless issues during each of his presidential bids, including this one. If I were more guilty than the next fellow of something, I would certainly be the last person to bring that something up. In one of his town hall meetings he claimed he had no problem with gay marriages, then only eleven minutes later stated he did not feel that those marriages should be allowed. He at one time didn’t want corporate taxes then turned around and said he did. The list of his flip flops is endless yet he accuses Obama of flip flopping. John ‘the expedient’ McCain is the reigning king of flip flops, without a doubt.

    Does he think we are stupid? Does he not know that there is a multitude of sources that can be checked to determine who exactly is the flip flopper, and on what subjects the flip flops occurred? Does he hope we don’t have the internet or blogs or access to all of his past statements on the multitudinous subjects he’s flipped flopped on? Or does this guy just says forget it, I’ll say it anyway, torpedoes be damned full steam ahead? To hell with the facts, if it sounds good then say it. Is he counting on the majority of us being so bigoted that we’ll vote for him no matter what comes out of his mouth?

    Then his co-chair of his economic polices, Senator Gramm, calls us a nation of whiners. He seems to surround himself with other out of touch people who really don’t care one way or another about the suffering of the general public. Corporate interests are apparently supreme. By the way, this same Gramm character is responsible for the deregulation of financial institutions and well as the deregulation of the oil speculators, thus higher gasoline prices. Duh!

    There are so many problems with John McCain that it is impossible to list every single thing in this blog. All I can say is check it out for yourselves and see if I’m not telling you the truth about this candidate. It seems that he will say and do anything to get elected whether it is true or not. The title John ‘the expedient’ McCain fits his well. His willingness to use whatever tool at his disposal to attack Obama. For example; McCain used Obama’s recent trip to the holocaust memorial in Israel as an occasion expound political agendas and views. Absolutely no boundaries. It just goes to show how low and desperate this guy is. This is a definitive statement as to his lack of character and morals. Nothing is off limits for him, nothing

    So with that said we come to the consternation of the Republican party, with their choice of a presidential candidate. They are stuck with him for better or worse and each day that passes it looks like worse. Now, with all these things wrong with this guy, if he gets elected in my opinion it will be for one reason and one reason only, and that is we are still the prejudiced, bigoted nation we have always been. And apparently it will remain that way until Jesus comes, much to our discredit. Just a nation of a bunch of irrational, tried and true racists.

    I can just imagine the RNC wishing that they had another more viable candidate instead of this bumbling, stumbling, confused man who is constantly in need of coaching while even speaking. I wouldn’t be surprise if at their convention they decided to supplant McCain with someone more formidable. Someone who can remember from one day to the next what the hell comes out of his mouth.

    Come November, we have a chance to do something astounding and magnificent and elect a black man as president of a country that fought so hard to keep the institution of slavery alive. So hard a fight in fact that 600,000+ people lost their lives because of it.

    Humm, which choice will you make???

  • What qualifications does Grand Inquisitor, Ariana Huffington have??? NONE, except for getting a bunch of money from her wealthy gay ex husband. Did she become a loyal informed American by being born and raised in Greece? What gives her the right to put everyone else under the microscope and be so critical? We should put Arianna Huffington under the microscope!!!

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