McCain panders on the one issue that should be beyond exploitation

Earlier this week, a friend of mine in Pittsburgh, reader K.M., emailed me about John McCain telling a local television station, “When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates.”

That clearly wasn’t the case — McCain has told the same story before, but much differently — but I was reluctant to write about it. I thought that how McCain describes his P.O.W. experiences is a little too sensitive a subject.

But in light of additional context, and upon further reflection, McCain probably deserves more heat on this. In fact, my first instinct was probably backwards — McCain is pandering on the one issue that, one would hope, be beyond the realm of campaign exploitation, and that deserves more scrutiny, not less.

Asked what first comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh, McCain chuckled, “the Steelers. I was a mediocre high school athlete but I loved and adored the sports but the Steelers really made a huge impression on me particularly in my early years.”

And then McCain told a rather moving story about his time as a P.O.W. “When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates.”

“Did you really?” asked the reporter.

“Yes,” McCain said.

“In your POW camp?” asked the reporter.

“Yes,” McCain said.

It’s possible that McCain’s memory is once again faulty, but it’s unlikely — he’s told a similar story countless times. He’s written about it in his book; it was featured prominently in a movie about his military service; and McCain even repeated the anecdote many times during the debate over U.S. torture policy, as evidence of torture eliciting false confessions.

Which leads us to the other explanation.

McCain was asked to name the first thing that comes to mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh. It was a lighthearted, fluff question. But McCain hadn’t talked up his Vietnam service in the interview enough, so he used the question as an excuse to remind people of the abuse he endured decades ago.

But he clumsily had to change his own story in order to match the audience. McCain has always said he told his interrogators the names of the lineman of the Green Bay Packers. But McCain wasn’t campaigning in Wisconsin; he was campaigning in Pittsburgh — so the story “evolved” to include the Steelers. (From a football perspective, the story doesn’t even make sense. The great Steelers defensive line — with names McCain would know — didn’t appear until after McCain returned home. The Steelers were pretty bad when McCain was captured.)

What’s more, just a week before his comments in Pittsburgh, McCain was asked about how his Vietnam experience prepared him for the presidency. McCain got “visibly angry,” and later said, “I kind of reacted the way I did because I have a reluctance to talk about my experiences,” adding, “I am always reluctant to talk about these things.”

Just the opposite is true. McCain is now looking for excuses to bring it up, and use it to pander to voters in a swing state. What happened to this guy? Is he this desperate to be president? He’ll say anything to win?

Digby added:

Recall that Hillary Clinton was excoriated mercilessly for many years for allegedly lying when she said she’d been both a Cubs fan and a Yankees fan. This was shown to be accurate and provable, but it didn’t matter. All politicians are held to an entirely different standard than those who were held in Vietnamese prison camps. They are allowed to just make stuff up whenever they choose. It’s a sign of their good character and patriotism.

And imagine if Obama were caught in a pander this crude? (Or a memory gap this huge.) The man can’t even ask for a glass of orange juice in Pennsylvania without it being considered a sign of hi “inauthenticity.” If he made a mistake like this Morning Joe and Tweety would be drooling and speaking in tongues about what a disgusting flip-flopping kiss ass he was.

MSNBC raised a similar point: “Imagine if Al Gore or John Kerry had changed the facts of a story they told forever in order to appeal to whatever swing state they were speaking in?”

I think any intellectually honest person would have to agree we’d never hear the end of it. It would be a character-defining incident from which a Democrat would never recover.

Post Script: If you haven’t seen it, Rachel Maddow did a great segment on this story last night on “Countdown.” It was, of course, one of the only news shows to mention the incident.

We should be careful about how we approach this. It reminds people he was a POW.

‘A noun, a verb, and tortured in Vietnam.’

  • Maybe they think that no one will notice because we’re all out here whining.

  • I can’t wait to see McCain in western Florida, saying that when HE WAS TORTURED WHILE HE WAS A P.O.W. IN VIETNAM he recited the offensive backfield of the Tamp Bay Buccaneers.

    Who cares that the Bucs weren’t founded until 1976. HE WAS TORTURED WHILE HE WAS A P.O.W. IN VIETNAM.

  • The problem with this, and the reason Hon. Sen. McCain can get away with it, it that its hard to call him on it if the media fail to (cough cough). How does the candidate bring it up without looking petty or cruel (attacking a doddering war hero)? I suppose that begs the question a bit. We need to preserve the illusion that something as momentous as a Presidential election during war time doesn’t involve a doddering fool as one of the candidates.

  • Considering John McCain’s sentence structure has become “A noun, a verb, and tortured in Vietnam” (or simply, POW), McCain is clearly working overtime on this subject.

    In Pittsburgh, absolutely nothing is bigger than the Steelers. This falsehood, meant to pander to a swing state and in an area where Hillary was strong, could backfire — if anyone ever hears about it in the mainstream press. I was pleased to see the story abouve the fold in today’s Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,

    http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/pop_up.asp?fpVname=PA_PPG&ref_pge=map&tfp_map=USA

  • the way i got the story was that McCaint’s injuries were incurred when his bomber crashed into that lake near Hanoi, where he had recently been bombing and killing civilians, and the Vietnamese militia dived down to rescue his murderous, worthless, scum-sucking ass.

    He complained of ‘torture’ when they fixed him without anesthesia, but the NV were using most of their anesthesia on the folks Bombin’ John and his buddies were bombing, and injuring.

    He turned on his ‘buddies,’ too, right away, and 32 times later, to provide propaganda for the Vietnamese.

    He’s no more a hero than I am, and I fought my ‘war’ in an air-conditioned trailer watchin and listening to McCain’t and his pals unleash hell on earth…

  • Ms. Maddow’s piece included a response from the McCain campaign to the effect that is was an “honest mistake.” Now I find this palpably dubious, but how is it better that he’s this confused? It would almost seem better to admit that he fibbed it up a bit, not that he’s unable to recall the details of a story he’s told numerous times.

  • You are too kind to say the Steelers were pretty bad back then. They were dreadful. At the time of McCain’s capture, their all time record was 159-241-19 – for a winning percentage of .379. To put that in perspective, for a baseball team to amass the same percentage over the same 34 years would require that they loose 100 games in each of those years. They weren’t lovable terrible, they were the league’s laughingstock.

    Over those 34 years, the Steelers had just 7 winning seasons, and were blown out in their only post season appearance in 1947. They were known more for having a player go on to become a Supreme Court justice (Byron “Whizzer” White) than for winning football games.

    What I’m getting at is that it’s doubtful you could have found a Pittsburgher who could name their defensive line in 1967, let alone a POW 1/2 a world away.

  • Did the McCain campaign – according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette – REALLY blame bloggers for “insensitively stirring up” this story?

    I mean, I’m not surprised, but come on now.

  • I think that the best way to handle this is to ask McAce himself if could name those players again. If he had presence of mind back then under torture to name them, he probably has them “imbedded” into what is left of his mind. Then the follow up question: I thought you were reluctant to speak about such things?

  • Two commments here. I’ll seperate them for you, and then you can decide whether they’re two seperate comments, or two parts of the same comment.

    (1) On a daily basis, McCain’s story of hie being a POW gets longer and more detailed as time goes by.

    (2) To prevent a lie from being discovered, one usually has to tell another lie—and another—and another, so that the lie gets longer and more detailed as time goes by.

  • and another thing: The third follow-up question to this arse: How’s your torture differ from the torture you voted for that was perpetrated onto the people renditioned and placed in the Bush Camps?

  • Why would the NV care what the names of his squadron-mates were? How would that be useful to them?

    Just sayin’.

  • Old habits die hard . McCain as a young man in a North Vietnamese P.O.W. camp learned to mislead and pander when interrogated. He now does it reflexively on the campaign trail when reporters put him under pressure with tough questions like, “what do you think of when you think of Pittsburgh?” It might even be a result of PTSD.

  • PeteCO @ 14 asked: “Why would the NV care what the names of his squadron-mates were? How would that be useful to them?
    Just sayin’.

    It’s not the names per se, though that’s bad…
    It’s the violation of the code of NR&SN: Name, Rank, and Serial Number.
    Those are the only informational data a captured USer trooper is permitted under the UCMJ to reveal to his captives. Anything else is ‘collaboration.’
    Big, brave, bombin’ Johnnie gave up the names of his squadron mates, the name of their ship, the number of mission they’d flown, their casualty rate, and a LOT of other things.

    Had he been an Enlisted, like Bobby Garwood, for example, the US Govt would have tried his ass for a waar crime…

  • Look, the nation is in a serious emotional depression, if not financial. Do we really want a leader who

    a: defines most of his life & his goals around one of his most harrowing experiences and
    b: likes joking about killing enemies both real and perceived? bombombom-bom bomb iran? Really?

    A little more realistic optimism and a little less seething victimization is in order. McCain reminds me of a rcovering alcoholic who nonetheless is a complete f*ckup with work & his social life who insists that he must be judged more gently because of his alcoholism, then proceeds to continually flake out, underachieve & antagonize everyone around him. Not particularly good “phone ringing at 3 am” material in my book.

  • Sorry. Just had a vision of McCain getting a 3AM phone call and screaming “WHADDA WANT YA C*NT???!! DO YEW KNOW WHATTIME IT IS YEW DUMB*SS M*TH*RF*CK*NG C*CKS*CK*R???!!!!!”

    John McCain. An unstable psychopath you can believe in.

  • I don’t wish to be unkind, in fact I now have some sympathy for John McCain, having watched him this past week, and due to the fact that each time he makes one of his mistakes his handlers have to give an explanation, I am beginning to think he has dementia, his famous temper tantrums are an early indication too.Joe Lieberman, Lindsay Graham are usually by his side to correct him which makes me wonder if it is known in his circle of followers, is he going to be just a ‘front’ man who does what he is told if elected, the way George Bush does Cheney’s bidding?

  • i saw the clip.

    mccain had that “story” packed and loaded. it was pretty obvious that the “interview” was prescripted.

    question, “what comes to mind when you think of pittsburgh.”

    response: [altered story to make pittsburgh central]

    i vomited a little bit into the back of my throat at that little piece of tape.

    please, i really could not deal with four years of mccain on my teevee, having to listen to that whiny voice and see that inappropriately-timed ricter grin.

  • Don’t delude yourself.

    This is a far less serious gaffe than Obama promising to “campaign in all 57 states.” Most Americans, including citizenship applicants, believe that a wanna be United States President should know how many states there are in the country he plans to rule.

    White lies, pandering, and verbal fumbles are to be expected, especially in a 24-7 news cycle.

    This story, and most of the related comments, reveal a very myopic worldview and perception of the American voter. Of course, Obama is more verbally skilled than McCain the awkward military guy. Don’t you think that can be a liability too? Judge a man by actions, not words. That common proverb would favor McCain. Or “when the character of a man is unclear to you, look at his friends.” Does that help Obama?

    Obama remains a very fragile, weak, and inexperienced candidate. We might get lucky and Obama may win, but this year Democrats should win by a huge landslide like in 1932. Instead, we have to hope – always hope with Obama – for the best.

    How did we get in this pathetic situation?

  • While I DO NOT support Obama, my distain for Senator McCain prevents me from supporting the “Republican Nominee”. John McCain is a man devoid of honor and for the most part, the myth of his POW “heroism” is unsupported by EVIDENCE of any kind. For example, NONE of the many medals he received, as result of his time in captivity, are supported by a SINGLE eyewitness corroboration (A REQUIREMENT for ANY medal for valor). Senator McCain is not at all unwilling to exploit his time in captivity. Vitrually every commercial McCain runs features a picture of him as a POW. And then, of course, there are always the cast of supporting characters, such as MOH winner Bud Day and other McCain personnel, who are anxious to tell anyone who’ll listen, what a great hero McCain is. This allows McCain to pretend that his POW experience isn’t what he is actually depending on.
    Sometime during this campaign, someone is going to remind voters, particularly the veterans establishment, of McCain’s disgraceful activities regarding the issue of POW/MIA’s.

  • JS @19:

    My father is in the early stages of Alzheimer’s disease. Alz.org lists ten warning signs of the onset of the condition. My father exhibits several; in particular, he has become very cranky, irritable, and his once-long patience has devolved into a quick temper. Every time I see John McCain, I always wind up calculating how many and the severity of dementia symptoms he’s been demonstrating.

    1. Memory loss. Forgetting recently learned information is one of the most common early signs of dementia. A person begins to forget more often and is unable to recall the information later.

    2. Difficulty performing familiar tasks. People with dementia often find it hard to plan or complete everyday tasks. Individuals may lose track of the steps involved in preparing a meal, placing a telephone call or playing a game.

    3. Problems with language. People with Alzheimer’s disease often forget simple words or substitute unusual words, making their speech or writing hard to understand. They may be unable to find the toothbrush, for example, and instead ask for “that thing for my mouth.”

    4. Disorientation to time and place. People with Alzheimer’s disease can become lost in their own neighborhood, forget where they are and how they got there, and not know how to get back home.

    5. Poor or decreased judgment. Those with Alzheimer’s may dress inappropriately, wearing several layers on a warm day or little clothing in the cold. They may show poor judgment, like giving away large sums of money to telemarketers.

    6. Problems with abstract thinking. Someone with Alzheimer’s disease may have unusual difficulty performing complex mental tasks, like forgetting what numbers are for and how they should be used.

    7. Misplacing things. A person with Alzheimer’s disease may put things in unusual places: an iron in the freezer or a wristwatch in the sugar bowl.

    8. Changes in mood or behavior. Someone with Alzheimer’s disease may show rapid mood swings – from calm to tears to anger – for no apparent reason.

    9. Changes in personality. The personalities of people with dementia can change dramatically. They may become extremely confused, suspicious, fearful or dependent on a family member.

    10. Loss of initiative. A person with Alzheimer’s disease may become very passive, sitting in front of the TV for hours, sleeping more than usual or not wanting to do usual activities.

  • Should we hope that Senator McCain was just lying – or losing his marbles?
    And which condition best qualifies him for the Presidency?

  • Well, he just lost the Steelers and Packers voting block. And you know that whoever the Packers and Steelers vote for, so goes the state/nation, or whatever.

    Who wants 4 more years?

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