McCain slowly backs away from Hagee, Parsley — will there be consequences?

For months, John McCain has faced questions about his associations with radical religious televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. And for months, McCain refused to disassociate himself from the extremists, even going so far as to defend the hate-filled rhetoric (McCain said Hagee had been “taken out of context”) and repeatedly say he was “honored” and “glad” to have their support.

Yesterday, after the latest revelations that Hagee believed Hitler was fulfilling God’s will, McCain gave up.

Senator John McCain on Thursday rejected the endorsements of two prominent evangelical ministers whose backing he had sought to shore up his credentials with religious conservatives.

Mr. McCain repudiated the Rev. John C. Hagee, a televangelist, after a watchdog group released a recording of a sermon in which Mr. Hagee said Hitler and the Holocaust had been part of God’s plan to chase the Jews from Europe and drive them to Palestine.

Later in the day, he also rejected the endorsement of the Rev. Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, Ohio, whose anti-Muslim sermons were broadcast on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday.

Specifically on Hagee’s sermon on the Holocaust, McCain said, “Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”

A few hours later, after an ABC News report on Parsley started making the rounds, an AP reporter asked McCain about Parsley’s belief that the United States was created in order to destroy Islam. “I believe that even though he endorsed me, and I didn’t endorse him, the fact is that I repudiate such talk, and I reject his endorsement,” McCain said.

It’s about time.

Keep in mind, McCain was all-too pleased to not only seek out the support of these religious extremists, but to accept their endorsements, praise their “leadership,” and even campaign alongside them. McCain now claims he didn’t realize how crazy Hagee and Parsley really are, but that’s unsatisfying — neither he nor his campaign Googled them for the year in which they sought the preachers’ support?

More importantly, even if we accept the notion that McCain and his aides wooed pastors they knew nothing about, McCain has been confronted with Hagee’s and Parlsey’s radical record for months. The Republican presidential candidate continued to embrace their endorsements anyway, until yesterday when McCain’s campaign ran out of spins.

As Kevin put it, McCain “only cared when it showed up on network TV and became an embarrassment to him. So much for a different kind of politics.”

It’s been an interesting journey for McCain. In the ’90s, McCain didn’t mind associating with the religious right, and remained close with the Christian Coalition. In 2000, McCain moved in the opposite direction, distancing himself from the religious right and calling the movement’s leaders “agents of intolerance.” In 2007, McCain switched back, embracing far-right religious extremists, and defending their rhetoric. Yesterday, McCain seemed anxious to shift yet again, keeping pastors he’d sought out at arm’s length.

In terms of political consequences, dropping Hagee like a hot potato may annoy some of his ardent supporters, but Hagee’s sphere of influence is strongest in Texas, where McCain would likely be favored to beat Obama anyway. Parsley, however, is a pretty serious player in Ohio, which will be far more competitive.

Will Hagee and Parsley see the denunciations as insulting or pro forma? Will they take offense and begin railing against McCain or will they see yesterday’s announcement with a wink and a nod?

Post Script: Just as an aside, you know who looks really foolish now? Joe Lieberman, who went on national television to defend Hagee just a few days before McCain cut Hagee loose. Ol’ Joe has a poor sense of timing.

“Hagee’s sphere of influence is strongest in Texas, where McCain would likely be favored to beat Obama anyway.” But there are downticket races where Dems might win because of this and because of Obama’s organizing. It’s not all about the presidential race.

  • I would love to see John Kerry make an ad for the DNC pointing out just how much of a flip-flopper McSame really is…could be good humor!

  • Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.

    So McCain has suddenly discovered, has he, that there were other remarks that he’s known about for a while that he also found deeply offensive and indefensible? So deeply offensive and indefensible that he never got around to repudiating them before? So deeply offensive and indefensible that it never interfered with being proud and glad to have Hagee’s endorsement?

    This joker can’t pull off a simple repudiation statement without putting his foot in it, and he wants to be president? Clearly, it’s not just his policies that make him a perfect Bush clone.

  • McCain “only cared when it showed up on network TV

    And therein lies the problem with a free media strategy.

  • McCain is still taking cheap shots of the “but Obama sat in the pew for 20 years” variety. What a sad, sad man, that Johnny Mac.

  • What was really interesting was seeing the talking heads from the corporate-controlled media waking up and taking an honest look at McCain’s “friends”.

    Anderson Cooper from CNN was having a panel discussion that included Tony Perkins (the psycho from the Family Research Council, not the family guy from Psycho). Perkins said that McCain dropping Hagee and Parsley would not have much affect on conservative evangelical voters because they already knew McCain had been pandering to them.

    Perkins also tried the spin that McCain’s association with Hagee and Parsley was much less important than Obama’s “20 year” membership in Jeremiah Wright’s chuch. But amazingly, Cooper actually raised the objection that McCain actively sought the endorsements of Hagee and Parsley.

    It’s not a sure thing, but it kinda looks like real journalism isn’t completely dead in the mainstream media.

    Maybe “Ace” McCain needs to hold another barbeque . . . .

    (Why call McCain “Ace”? Because before McCain was shot down and captured in 1967, he crashed or destroyed five planes, causing his fellow pilots to derisively call him “Ace”.)
    http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=119707

  • If Hypocrisy was a crime, Half the government would be in solitary.

  • “It’s about time.”

    It’s about time a serious look is being taken at what exactly is being preached and spouted on the evangelical circuit. Hagee and Parsley are not the exceptions but the rules. For too long these people have gotten a free ride on their “values.” It’s about time some light is shed on exactly what those “values” are rather than just on the periodic corruption or sex scandal that one of the high profile leaders gets caught in. It’s the core “values” of this movement that needs to be emphasized.

    What this little problem with John MCain does is effectively banish Obama’s Rev. Wright problem to the racist crowd. The Republicans can’t use Rev. Wright on a broad scale without pushing Hagee and Parsley into a very harsh spotlight.

  • Republicans can’t use Rev. Wright on a broad scale without pushing Hagee and Parsley into a very harsh spotlight

    Agreed… and Dems can hit right back pointing out that Obama didn’t court Wright for political gain, unlike McCain’s shameless groveling to earn some religious-right cred…

  • OK. But can we finally jettison the concept that the fate of man rests with Israel, Iran and the Middle East or is the grand delusion, sparked by the rise of competing monotheisms in the region, still alive, absent whatever extremes some people like Hagee take it? McCain may have dumped Hagee, but is still riding high in the saddle of grand delusions that bring us such characters. Heroic McCain still has big dragons to kill while we ride the river of oil to the end. We find distraction at our peril.

  • The consequence is that McCain-Huckabee ticket just got a lot more likely. McCain has to get the conservative Christians back somehow, and Huck is the way to do it. Don’t forget those recent polls showing that having Huckabee on the ticket made for a very strong showing against Obama and most running mates, with the exception of Edwards.

    (I think Edwards is polling so well compared to Obama’s other prospects just because of national name recognition. Several other choices could work once the country gets to know them).

  • “…Mr. Hagee said Hitler and the Holocaust had been part of God’s plan to chase the Jews from Europe and drive them to Palestine.”

    um, wouldn’t it have been easier for god to have hitler buy train tickets for european jews? just askin’.

  • Personally, I’m glad to see McCain distance himself from these men, Parsley especially, because putting a semi-official stamp of approval on men who teach hate is not a good thing. However, the points above are all right on the money. McCain knew full well who these men were and what they stood for. That’s why he called their ilk “agents of intolerance”.

    The lesson in this is that McCain’s principles are co-extensive with his political fortunes. When McCain’s running in a close nomination election in Ohio, Parsley is a friend. Even having wrapped up the nomination, Parsley is an asset until he makes news and then, only when he will cost more votes then he will deliver, does McCain reject his endorsement.

    McCain was not honest to say that he never endorsed these men. McCain certainly did, on the well-known Youtube clips — and elsewhere. There’s still a huge double standard going on here. Obama must shout from the mountatintop and repeatedly denounce and repudiate Farakhan himself (not select statements by him). However, McCain’s tepid rejection of an endorsement does not nullify the fact that McCain praised and condoned these men. In short, McCain DID endorse Parsley and Hagee.

    McCain’s principle? Take whatever position will best help him at the present moment.

    Finally, McCain says he does not share these men’s beliefs. How are we to know? He has crossed paths with Hagee several times before (see Moyer’s segment on CUFI). See the Jewish Journal 4-4-08. Also, McCain is fond of saying “It’s hard to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan” — meaning our nation’s capital. Wright says God Damn specific acts by the US govt. and he’s demonized, but McCain calls our capital the “city of Satan” and it’s OK? What exactly are McCain’s religious beliefs that he says this phrase repeatedly, and also that he seeks out religious extremists?

  • Tony Perkins (the psycho from the Family Research Council, not the family guy from Psycho)

    Nice piece of wordsmithing there!

    I must say I’m enjoying McCain’s constant dilemmas in trying to walk back from offensive/crooked supporters while trying not to piss them off. Between the lobbyists who pushed back when he dropped them and the spurned televangelists who might now inspire their flocks to denounce McCain, Johnny Straight Talk has got himself into quite a tangled web.

    And any situation that humiliates Joe Lieberman is a circumstance I adore.

  • John McCentury’s most cherished vision for America is when he looks in the mirror and sees the President of the United States.

  • With all this political bickering about Wright, Hagee and all these loonies, what is missing is How in hell in 21st century US so many people follow these crackpots?

  • Other than enjoying all the flip-flopping of McSame’s addled mind, and his obvious pandering to the wingnuts, I’d rather he stuck with these loony-toons. And he hasn’t done himself any real damage by repudiating Hageee and Parsley. Theirt crowd will vote for him anyway because their crazy ministers will tell them to. Theyve been hearing anti-Semitic and racist rhetoric from the pulpit non-stop anyway and it isn’t shocking in those circles.

    Running with Huckabee would be the smart way to go. He’s not as nuts as Hagee and Parsley

    I’m still rooting for Lieberman as VP. He is just as slow witted as McSame. What a pair they would make on the campaign trail.

  • Parsley, not a sage, Rosemary- time to stfu!

    He only backs away from these clowns as the media focuses the spotlight on him and he feels the heat.

    If that’s your “moral compass” JMc, then you’ve Gone South, as they say.

  • After reading the comments that were posted here, I am disappointed to find the authors resorting to name calling, exaggeration and disrespect rather than applying critical thinking and postulating strong arguments.

    The closest argument to that goal is:

    “What this little problem with John MCain does is effectively banish Obama’s Rev. Wright problem to the racist crowd. The Republicans can’t use Rev. Wright on a broad scale without pushing Hagee and Parsley into a very harsh spotlight.”

    That is not a compelling argument. However it is an example of the lack of critical thinking I was talking about: This author and others equate Obama’s “20 year” membership in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church (as well as the close personal ties between Barack and Jeremiah) to McCain’s 2 or 3 month loose association with Hagee and Parsley. That is truly an unbalanced equation. If McCain had a problem equal to or greater than Barrack’s problem, then I would say there is a compelling argument. Otherwise it is just wishful thinking.

    The Republicans will effectively use Obama’s Rev. Wright racist problem against Barrack. Yes a “very harsh spotlight” will shine on Hagee and Parsley. But so what, both of these guys put together pale in comparison to Rev. Wright. Some will argue that, but that is a side issue. The main reasons that this will not stick to McCain the way the Wright problem has haunted Barrack are the longevity of the relationship and the intimacy of the relationship.

    Oh and just to set the record straight, Obama did court Rev. Wright for political gain.

  • The problem with your “compelling argument” againt Wright is that Wright isn’t in the same league of badness as Parsley and Hagee by a long shot. For one thing the video of him, although played a thousand times, was just one sermon–not standard fare at his church. The line about “God damn American” is no different than what Thomas Jefferson said when he wrote that when he thought of the justice of God, he trembled for his country. The snippet about America bringing 911 on ourselves was a quote from a Republican politician. The bit about the CIA spreading AIDS is stupid but considerably less racist that the popular myth that poor people on welfare ( ie “niggers on welfare”) were the cause of high taxes and the budget deficet.

    Hellfire and damnation presacher preach hateful stuff every single serman: it’s their meat ans potatoes. Wright’s church was liberal on the issues, including gay marriage and the meat and potatoes of the sermons was self-help.

    Also Huckabee on the ticket will make McC very vulnerable: there’s a reason why Huck has hidden ALL of his sermons.

  • You made some great points here. Yes, it is about time. Yes, McBush had to know what these two were about when he sought their endorsements. He knew he was weak with the Christian extremist crowd and wanted their support badly enough to associate with these guys. Now that his campaign has concluded that they are doing more harm than good (general election is different from the primaries), he tries to distance himself.

  • Hagee insults Catholics (including me) and McCan’t doesn’t drop him.

    Hagee insults Jews (if you can call that Hitler remark insulting rather than just crazy) and McCan’t drops him like a stone.

    Aren’t there more Catholic voters than Jewish voters in America?

    Somebody in that campaign is an idiot.

    As for the ‘difference’ between Wright and Hagee…
    Wright brought Obama to God,
    Hagee brought Texas to McCan’t.

    Seeking Hagee’s endorsement to counter Huckabee’s evangelical appeal is a lot worse than seeking Wright’s help to find religion.

  • I think you underestimate how important this will be. Being dumb enough to seek their endorsements — and to praise them as he did — is hardly evidence of McCain’s readiness to be Commander in Chief. (A clever adman or speechwriter might even figure out a way to compare McCain-Hagee to Bush-“Brownie”.)

    But the Parsley problem might be much worse for McCain, if it is a true split and not a sham — and I think it is. Don’t judge Parsley by the nuttiness of his speeches. He’s both very powerful and influential in RR circles, he’s also a very experienced and sklled political operator. (Look into the career of Ken Blackwell for a demonstration. He didn’t win the governorship, but it wasn’t for Parsley’s lack of trying.)

    Rich said “And he hasn’t done himself any real damage by repudiating Hagee and Parsley. Their crowd will vote for him anyway because their crazy ministers will tell them to.” Believe me, Parsley is much more important to those ‘crazy ministers’ than McCain is, and if Parsley starts under-cutting McCain, the ministers won’t be telling their congregants to vote for him — who they already don’t trust. (Think about it from an RR viewpoint. The same day he throws Parsley under the bus, he appears on the ‘Ellen Degenerate’ show, actually appears comfortable in her presence instead of ‘shrinking from the Satanic stench of her perversion,’ legitimizes her position, and even the ‘whole gay agenda’ by showing up, and what’s worse, when she defends her position, he not only doesn’t describe it as evil and unbiblical, he doesn’t even defend his own (and God’s) position. He just says ‘this is something we have a disagreement on.’)

    And McCain is so totally clueless about the way the RR uses words that i could imagine Parsley delivering a sermon that McCain would think was a ringing endorsement, but which, in fact, made it plain to the ‘clued-in’ hearers how much Parsley opposed McCain and was warning them to vote against him.

    (And this was the same day that his first ‘open auditions’ for VP came out
    a gay man
    a conservative Catholic who still talks in terms of the ‘Counter-Reformation’ (who is also South Asian)
    and a Mormon.)

    This was also the same day when he slapped another group of supporters in the face, telling parents, spouses and friends of our Servicemen — who have seen some of them ‘afford’ the loss of a limb, PTSD or even afford death for the ‘noble cause’ — that the GI Bill is ‘too expensive.’ And the day after Hagel provided cover for any Republican candidate who needed to run away from the War, Bush, and McCain.

    Mark Kleiman called this a bad day for McCain, but he was understating it considerably.

  • Maybe it’s because I am not religious, but what was so offensive ? People die everyday and I hear, “that is part of gods plan”. So when people die on a unimaginable level, god must have a whopper of a plan, right ? Oh, I get it, he has a plan when it’s one or two, but when it’s millions, then miraculously he had nothing to do with it ?

    Just seems to me like Hagee is the only person that somehow tried to offer an explanation of the holocaust and how it relates to god. I guess that one is better left undisturbed.

  • Big O fan here but I can’t help but giggle at the problems both men have caused for themselves by looking for some “cred” as I understand the hip hop folks call it. Big churches deliver big votes, apparently, from Chicago to San Antonio. Both candidates found their political goals advanced by keeping close or hoping to get close to very charismatic leaders of huge churches. Maybe the founders were right about mixing church and state, eh?

  • “ol Joe” called Hagee the “modern day Moses” praising his great insight on foreign policy and what a great leader he’s been. How can anyone have any respect for ol Joe?

    This is exactly how McCain would govern…always getting it wrong, refusing to recognize his mistake until forced to, and then back tracking with the “I didn’t know” statement.

    What a joke to consider McCain a serious candidate. He’s just the least embarrassing candidate the GOP had.

  • Will Hagee and Parsley see the denunciations as insulting or pro forma? — CB

    Don’t know about the Stiff Herb, but Hagee has already said he’s withdrawing his endorsement, apparently without any ill-feelings. He said he would be taking a back seat on MyCane’s Double Talk Express, because he was becoming a distraction. So I have to assume that, unlike Rev Wright, Hagee will not be making a circuit of DC cocktail parties spouting his nonsense to all and sundry.

  • this comes under the heading of “a day late and a dollar short.”

    it doesn’t say much for mccain’s judgement to be so obviously ill-informed about the people whose support he actively sought, and defended. but that’s not news to anyone here.

  • Ohioan said:
    What a sad, sad man, that Johnny Mac.

    Don’t disrespect John McEnroe by calling McCain “J. Mac”.
    Even though they both share similar tempers.

  • Ilud Phos:
    My point was precisely that they will boycott the election — or if they vote, will back away from volunteering or working for McCain — thus (further) assuring a Democratic rout. McCain — by the whole series of events yesterday has put almost every state but Idaho, Utah, ND and Georgia ‘in play’ and, if Bob Barr runs vigorously, even they are at risk.

  • The following is a copy of Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. It was this document from which the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was crafted. It should be required reading for every freshman highschool student, and all fundamentalists should be forced to read it:

    Whereas, Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being Lord, both of body and mind yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical;
    ———————————————
    There is more, and it can be googled at http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwedo/k12/bor/vsrftext.htm#trans

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