McCain stumbles on religion — again

Perhaps the moral of the story is that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would be far better off avoiding religion as a campaign issue. It’s been dogging him for years, and his fall from grace continues.

In 2000, the Arizona senator gambled that denouncing religious right leaders like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson would pay off, and went to Virginia to condemn the TV preachers as “agents of intolerance.” The gamble failed; the GOP base was offended; and McCain’s campaign never recovered.

More recently, McCain, a life-long Episcopalian, raised eyebrows by telling a reporter, unprompted, “By the way, I’m not Episcopalian. I’m Baptist.” In context, it looked as if McCain may have claimed a new affiliation simply in the hopes it would give his campaign a boost.

The senator ran into additional religious trouble in a BeliefNet interview in which he said, “I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.” This despite the fact that the Constitution, which McCain has presumably read, does the exact opposite.

And as if that weren’t enough, in the same interview, McCain suggested he wouldn’t want a Muslim president.

GOP presidential candidate John McCain says America is better off with a Christian President and he doesn’t want a Muslim in the Oval Office.

“I admire the Islam. There’s a lot of good principles in it,” he said. “But I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith.”

Oh my.

Looking at the transcript, it appears McCain realized later that he’d made a mistake.

Has the candidates’ personal faith become too big an issue in the presidential race?

Questions about that are very legitimate…. And it’s also appropriate for me at certain points in the conversation to say, look, that’s sort of a private matter between me and my Creator…. But I think the number one issue people should make [in the] selection of the President of the United States is, ‘Will this person carry on in the Judeo Christian principled tradition that has made this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind?'”

It doesn’t seem like a Muslim candidate would do very well, according to that standard.

I admire the Islam. There’s a lot of good principles in it. I think one of the great tragedies of the 21st century is that these forces of evil have perverted what’s basically an honorable religion. But, no, I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles…. personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith. But that doesn’t mean that I’m sure that someone who is Muslim would not make a good president. I don’t say that we would rule out under any circumstances someone of a different faith. I just would–I just feel that that’s an important part of our qualifications to lead.*

Notice the asterisk? At the bottom of the transcript, BeliefNet noted, “McCain contacted Beliefnet after the interview to clarify his remarks: ‘I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values.'”

In other words, McCain was for discrimination before he was against it.

Former Bush White House aide David Kuo, now a BeliefNet contributor, said McCain was “pandering to what he thinks the Christian conservative community wants to hear” and predicted he “will have a lot of explaining to do about this interview.”

While I hope I am totally wrong on this, I strongly suspect that while every regular participant here might be in minority were a random survey taken of adults in the United States, upwards of 70% (possibly well upwards) would agree that “We should not elect a Muslim to be President of the United States.”

It is unprincipled and desparate, but McCain can only gain by pandering to the widespread religious intolerance in this country. Only gain, that is, unless he screws up his pandering, which he appears to have done.

  • McCain’s insane. He doesn’t really even know what he is saying anymore much less knows what he believes. He’s so busty trying to be political that he has lost touch with reality. He gives the term “fruitcake” real meaning. I, for one, am glad to see him finally go. I know I won’t have to look at that insane authoritarian smirk he uses to cover up his real thoughts of wanting to blow someone’s brains out who disagree with him. He’s been runn8ing on the “feel sorry” for me and “you owe me” platform for as long as he could get mileage out of it. Now he just makes embarrassing remarks.

  • I think we should not even know what religion our president follows, that’s how little it should matter. “Oh he’s a Muslim?…I didn’t know that.”

  • I would vote for a mainstream Muslim long before I would vote for a devout Christian who says that God told him to wage war on another country. Or one who says that Jesus Christ is his favorite political philosopher. Or one who believes that taking care of the Earth is unimportant because the Second Coming will happen any day now.

    But I fear that Zeitgeist is right. Nevertheless, I’m among the 30% (or fewer) who think that “Christian Principles” are often destructive and crazy.

  • Ah, The Straight Talk Express has smashed into a mega church I see. THE Islam? Is that like Teh Gay? What a schmuck.

    And there is also this:

    ‘Will this person carry on in the Judeo Christian principled tradition that has made this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind?’

    Illustrating once again the many well-deserved snares that await the candidate who attempts to kiss Das Base’s arse.

    Whenever the creeps go on about The Christianity of our Christian Nation founded on Christian Principles by Principled Christians because Christianity is The Bestest Religion EvA! They will eventually break out a “Judeo-Christian” because they havee suddenly remembered: “Oh shit, Jewish people are allowed to vote. Damn! Uh…better give them a “Judeo” to acknowledge their existence and they’ll forget the big Fuck You I’ve been giving them for the past week/month/year.”

    This fools exactly no one except the smug jackass who is doing the talking and anyone dumb enough to buy their line of BS.

  • There’s bound to be a conflict between two religions that have a long history of conversion-by-the-sword, and the belief that the other is impure. They’re all so convinced they’re right, they fight among themselves besides. If your reason d’etre is splitting hairs while still attached to somebody’s skull, you deserve the wrath of others.
    I’ for one will be left behind when the rapture comes. I really will enjoy driving Pat’s pink Rolls, the one with the matching latex interior. I hear it has very few miles.

  • Proposal: McCain-Reagan law…

    Given that janitors get tested for drugs…
    Shouldn’t Presidential candidates get tested early onset of Alzheimer’s?
    Don’t Americans have a right to know?

    Which is all to say:
    McCain is acting peculiarly loony of late.
    And I think it is more than merely the stench of desperation.
    The guy is off his rocker and wandering the streets…

  • Well, it was a big deal when the nation elected the Roman Catholic JFK, who had to answer to the fears that his allegiance would rest with the Pope and not with his country. Seriously.

    McCain seems to be doing the equivalent of drilling for oil – he knows there’s some kind of base out there for him, he just can’t find it. Is it religion? Can he segue from Muslims to Mormons? What do you bet there’s some percentage of people who could be convinced they might be the same thing? You’d think it would be impossible, but look at some of the stuff people still believe is true…

    This country seriously needs an education in the Constitution – preferably as a living document and not as an historical one that is no longer operative.

  • Perhaps the moral of the story is that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would be far better off avoiding religion as a campaign issue. It’s been dogging him for years, and his fall from grace continues.

    Maybe he should just be done with it and admit that he worships Baal.

  • I am really sick of these sanctimonious holy spouting amoral political “Christians” who use religion and religiosity to further their own greed. I seriously doubt that a Muslim could be any worse than they are, could erode our constitution and liberty any more than they have done over the past few years.

    However, What we really need is a good solid independent Free Thinker….not people steeped in and hog tied by ANY of the pre-scientific religions, not anyone tied to guruism, authoritarianism, what ever the form.

    We are not America by God or by any Religion, and we are not America by and for the Corporations either.

    We were meant to be: America by and for the PEOPLE!!!

    And the Constitution was built to protect us from us:
    Protect us from people being people…infallible people using money & religion & anything they can to pursue more power & greed.

    It was a good constitution…but is slowly being eroded by McCain and the neocon $$ forces. We are now America for Sale…to the highest corporate bidders.

    The elections of 2008 will be the last meaningful election IF we do not rid our legislature and executive branch of fuzzy thinking neocons and greedy sanctimonious hypocrits.

  • McCain is proof of the old saw “the first generation Makes It, the second generations Saves It, and the third generation Loses It.” The first Admiral McCain had a lot to do with the planning that led to a victorious Navy in WW2, where the second McCain was a well-known tactical leader. According to people who were there at the time, the third McCain wouldn’t have made it past Lieutenant Commander and would have been the victim of “up or out” back in 1968, had he not been fortunate to be shot down and spend seven years in the Hanoi Hilton. We’re now starting to see what the Navy saw in him 40 years ago – that he essentially lacks The Right Stuff.

    BTW – Little Georgie is also proof of that three-generation rule.

  • Article VI of the Constitution states there shall be “no religious test”…candidates should adhere to this principal and any “media” type who is ignorant enough to ask “what is your favorite bible verse” should be taken out, beaten and never able to legitimately get in front of a camera again … and if a candidate actually answers the question, instead of quoting from OUR (emphasis meant) constitution should be disqualified from holding any public office FOREVER…

  • ***McCain stumbles on religion — again***

    Actually, the goof stumbles more than Chevy Chase doing Gerald Ford on SNL.

    Now I feel old….

  • McCain is an idiot. These people, the men are dangerous. Just look at the 6 doctors in England who were willing to be terrorists. Thank God they were caught.

    I don’t think any male Muslim can or should be trusted. Okie from Muskogee if you like Muslims so much why don’t you move to Dearborn, Mi and become one of the them? Better yet, move to Iran and live under their midget Hitler.

    You think Muslims don’t wage war? They’ve advance their “religion” if you want to call it that by violent means for thousands of years. Yeah, you probably would vote for a Muslim for President you anti American loser.

  • Evergreen you are an idealistic lib idiot. Show me one Muslim run nation where anybody has the freedom we enjoy. And, if it wasn’t for capitalism we would be living like they do in third world countries.

    Muslims want to kill us. Your tolerance of them is showing your lack of survival skills and studipidity. Every country they have “invaded” they have caused problems in and tried to force their “ways” on that society. I’m talking about Denmark, and France and England. They are like a cancer that invades a society, they will never assimilate, they want you to succumb and it sounds like you are about half way there already. You are weak minded just like they want you to be. Tolerance of them will be our undoing.

  • McCain looks like such a clown when he panders to the fundamentalist wingnuts.

    Shrub is very definitely one of them, but it’s painfully obvious that McCain is not one of them.

    Is anybody really buying it? It’s a comb-over. Dude, you are fucking bald! Deal with it!

    Sadly, what it reminds me most is of the kind of pander that traditionally has sunk Democrats. Like Dukakis with that damned Snoopy helmet sitting in a tank. Or Dean going to church and trying to play it off like he’s a religious guy. That one in particular made me sick– one of the things I admired most about Dean is that he made it very clear that he wants his country back from all these damned religious fundamentalists. I agree, that’s why I like him so much.

    Clinton pulled it off, by the way, because he grew up in the Southern church-going tradition. But he sure looked silly carrying on Reagan’s tradition of saluting the troops– I always wished he’d have dropped that pander too.

    What’s great is that none of those Democrats came off anywhere near as ridiculous as McCain pretending to be a bible thumper. Haw haw haw haw.

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