McCain surrogate ups the ante, says McCain might support quicker withdrawal

For weeks, the line in Republican/media circles was that Barack Obama either has or will move towards John McCain’s position on Iraq policy. Time’s Mark Halperin called the shift, that never actually happened in reality, “one of the biggest things that’s happened so far in the general election.” Charles Krauthammer said Obama is “done” erasing “all meaningful differences with McCain on withdrawal from Iraq.” The McCain campaign put out a statement arguing that Obama “has now adopted John McCain’s position” on troop withdrawal.

All of this, of course, was completely wrong. Obama didn’t move towards McCain’s position; he didn’t move at all.

As it turns out, though, one campaign is starting to move closer to the other. Eric Kleefeld reported:

The McCain campaign has come up with an intriguing new way to sell his opposition to a timetable for withdrawal: McCain just might withdraw from Iraq sooner than Obama’s 16 month deadline!

“He’d like troops to come home earlier than 16 months if the conditions allow it,” said Congresswoman Heather Wilson of New Mexico, on a conference call with reporters just now. “Senator Obama has said it’s a 16-month timeline no matter what.”

Wilson walked this line back a bit later on, reminding people that any such withdrawal would have to be based on conditions on the ground, and might take longer: “Whether that happens in 12 months, or 16 months, or 24 months, the important thing is that our troops come home with victory and America’s vital national interests secured.”

One is reminded of George Orwell’s classic novel 1984, in which the ruling regime ran an intentionally never-ending war with the frequent promise in news updates that it was “within measurable distance of its end.”

Now, as rhetoric goes, Wilson’s comments are surprisingly weak. McCain can’t even define “victory” in Iraq, better yet aim to bring U.S. troops home once the undefined goal-line is reached.

But it’s the notion that if we elect McCain, he might bring the troops home faster than Obama that’s especially amusing.

It’s possible the McCain campaign’s surrogates aren’t entirely up on the McCain campaign’s policies, but the presumptive nominee has been rather candid in his expectations for troop levels in Iraq. As McCain sees it, we need to keep troop levels high so that we can “win” the war in Iraq. How long would that take? It doesn’t matter; we stay until we achieve “victory.”

At that point, we should be prepared for a lengthy, decades-long “presence” in Iraq, keeping troops there the way we did in post-WWII Japan and Germany. McCain has famously said this could last “100 years.”

Indeed, as recently as a month ago, McCain reiterated his support for staying in Iraq indefinitely. He’s said the same thing, over and over again, for more than a year now.

And yet, there’s one of McCain’s surrogates, on an official McCain conference call, dangling the possibility that McCain could bring the troops home even faster than Obama.

I’m sure there are some people who continue to take the McCain campaign seriously. I just don’t know why.

Regardless of what happens in Iraq, I am voting for McCain.

  • Why is Heather Wilson not in prison yet for obstruction of justice? She’s one of the conspirators (along with Domenici, Rove, and Alberto Gonzalez) who conspired to get David Iglesias fired for not bringing bogus eve-of-election charges against Democrats in 2004.

    She’s the last person McCain should want as a campaign spokesperson.

  • i doubt that it applies to bringing the troops home, but one thing McCain certainly does much faster than Obama is change his mind.

    i can feel the cooling breeze from doubtful’s spinning McCain-Vane way over here 🙂

    if the public doesn’t see through the seismic shift from “it is irresponsible to say we’d bring the troops home in 16 months!” to “heck, I might bring them home even faster!” there is not much hope left for democracy. (so far i’m pretty hopeful about self-governance: JakeD seems pretty outnumbered.)

  • “Senator Obama has said it’s a 16-month timeline no matter what.”

    And the proof of that is where, exactly? Seems to me he’s been adamant that 16 months is the goal, with the input of his military folks and conditions determining the actual schedule.

    Regardless of what happens in Iraq, I am voting for McCain.

    Well, someone has to be on the losing side. Glad you volunteered.

  • I’m starting to smile again—surely the lowest of low information voter will see through all this BS. Okay, boys and girls, can we say pandering?

  • What’s next out of the McCain camp? My dad can beat up your dad?

    (Keep thinking like that JakeD and one day you may wake up and find there’s nothing to vote for. Or against.)

  • P.S. to zeitgeist (we’ll all see in just over three months):

    I believe there’s no inconsistency between (a) “it is irresponsible to say we’d bring the troops home in 16 months!” and (b) “I might bring them home even faster IF THE CONDITIONS ALLOW IT!”

  • “I amm Johann von McBain—unt I know vaht iss besst for yoo—eefen iff I moost lie throo my valse teeth like a rugg too geht yoo to oondershtand.”

    Can’t we just start eviction proceedings and throw these GOPer clowns off the planet?

  • JakeD @ 9 – surely you don’t think that Obama would wait 16 months if conditions allowed bringing troops home sooner?

    and i am heartened that even a McCain supporter like you is joining us in encouraging Pelosi to put impeachment back on the table. 🙂

  • JakeD–
    Actually, if the election were held today outside of this site, Obama would win. Maybe not a landslide, but win nonetheless. The American people have no desire for Bush III.

    Don’t worry, though — once McCain and Obama have a debate it’ll be over. America will see the contrast between the old, tired and worn-out and the new, exciting and energetic (think Nixon vs. Kennedy) … between ideas proven to be failures and ones proven to work … and between living in the past and moving forward.

    Add on top of that the likelihood that McCain will blow a gasket at some point, and the landslide will come.

    It’s just a matter of time …

  • The thing is JakeD, the American People have already decided that conditions allow us to bring the troops home. The only condition they care about is they want the troops home.

    Of course, it’s not like we’ve haven’t achieved our goals there:
    1) Saddam is disposed (and dead),
    2) the Bathist regime is disposed (and lots of the top leaders in jail),
    3) the WMD has been found (all 500 1980 era Sarin and Mustard Gas artillery shells),
    4) the leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq have been killed or captured (again and again and again),
    5) there have been free elections (not of who we might want, but still),
    6) and the Iraqi Government has stood up enough to TELL US TO GO!

    So, unless the war was entirely about getting control of Iraq’s Oil outside the structure of OPEC, we’ve won and now we can go.

    Conditions allow…

  • “I’m sure there are some people who continue to take the McCain campaign seriously. I just don’t know why.”

    Because they are old and out of touch and just don’t feel “comfortable” with Obama. They feel comfortable with an unending war and record debt, but “hope” and “change” is just a little too radical.

    Go figure.

  • Rick and zeitgeist:

    No. In fact, if I lived in Pelosi’s district, I would definitely be voting for Cindy Sheehan ; )

    Mark D:

    Thankfully, for millions of unborn Americans, the election is not being held today.

  • I have always wondered about this (& I’m sure I’ll regret asking) but for JakeD: why are you here? You have spent a certain amount of time today on this site making firm declarative remarks that do not bear up under scrutiny and that — as you must know— people here will either ridicule, refute, or ignore.

    For myself, I’m not a fan of Democrats (in their current incarnation), but after seeing what has happened to the Republican party over the course of the last 40 years or so, there is no way I could ever, with good conscience, vote for a Republican again until the party has been purged and revamped. After seeing, over the last 12 years or so, what has happened to a country & world I happen to be rather fond of, I wouldn’t let a modern-day Republican anywhere near a position of authority. They’re a bunch of greedy, self-serving hypocrites who are wholly owned by big business interests. They’re utterly beneath contempt. So .. um .. clearly, you’re not going to change my mind, and I rather doubt you’ll change anybody else’s.

    So — why are you here?

  • JakeD:

    Why are you not equally as concerned with the unjustified killing of BORN Americans and Iraqis ?

  • Heather Wilson: “Whether [withdrawal] happens in 12 months, or 16 months, or 24 months, the important thing is that our troops come home with victory and America’s vital national interests secured.”

    OK, Heather, please define “victory” and what “vital national interests” you’re talking about.

  • This new salvo from the McCain camp is such an ineffective little belch it leads me to think that they have given up on the general public’s vote but are trying for dear life to hold on to those who wuoldn’t vote for Obama anyway.

  • zhak:

    Actually, reading these threads today convinced me to vote for McCain rather than someone like Chuck Baldwin. So, for me at least, it was very useful. As always, YMMV

    Nashville_fan

    The unlawful and unjustified killing of BORN Americans and Iraqis is murder too. Are there millions of those happening? Priorities, my dear Nashville_fan.

  • Wasn’t it Mitt Romney who had the secret plan to end the Iraq War? If McCain chooses him as Veep, he’ll get access to that plan. Then the tide will turn for McCain. He’s a shoo in, JakeD. A shoo-in!

  • I’d like to thank CB for chronicling this McCain melt down for us. You’ve laid it out clearly step by step.

  • Regardless of whether McCain chooses Romney as V.P., I will be voting for McCain.

  • There are MILLIONS of unborn Americans being murdered?? Really? How can they be murdered if they were never born?

    Never mind that your MILLIONS is a number your pulling out of your ass…Of course, unless your counting sperm as ‘unborn’ (And even then you’d still be pulling them out of your ass.). In any event, I’m sure you killed MILLIONS on your last trip to the bathroom.

  • i will give JakeD this, as agitators from the other side go, he is at least pleasant. that is more than i can say for many of our visitors from (politically) afar.
    sometimes a foil is useful to make our points. and if JakeD sticks around long enough, who knows, maybe he’ll reach some better conclusions! knowledge is power!

  • Jake D is a troll. We push him around over at Think Progress all the time. If you want to waste time, engage the troll. He’s a loser. He supports losers and he is unAmerican. Don’t feed the troll.

  • “I’d like to thank CB for chronicling this McCain melt down for us. You’ve laid it out clearly step by step.”

    And its only July. By September they’ll wheel him out in a straightjacket screaming “Surge! Withdraw! Surge! Withdraw!” at the convention.

    I think we can say the worst president in US history being followed by the worst presidential candidate. Its getting to the point where its almost hard to watch.

  • Heather Wilson is just a slicker version of Willard “Mitt” Romney.

    Come to think of it, why doesn’t McCain pick her as veep instead of Mittens?

  • McCain has complex about his age. Check out his advertisement. He features young McCain to make a point. Folks. remember we are not voting for young McCain. The old McCain is forget full and may forget to keep appointment with world leaders. You do not want to vote someone with age complex and forgetfulness to the white house. He may forget and press the red botton and we will all fall out.

  • TCG:

    I certainly hope that McCain DOES pick a woman as his running mate.

    Zak Dos:

    I thought he features a young McCain to remind people he was in a POW camp for 5 1/2 years?

  • JakeD,

    I priortize born life to be just as important as unborn. But that’s just me.

  • I am sure there is a lot of quick withdrawals going on in the McCain household…just ask Cindy. 😉

    And color me silly but I prioritize born life WAY above some undivided cells.

  • “Senator Obama has said it’s a 16-month timeline no matter what.”

    Senator Obama has also said he wants us to lose in Iraq. I know because the right-wingers including McCain’s campaign tells me it’s true

  • Oh my lord…how did I miss this one (thanks Dale for bringing it to my attention):

    Gridlock said about sperm: (And even then you’d still be pulling them out of your ass.)

    Heh!!

  • JakeD: Take a video camera with you today. That way, if you get hit in the nuts with someone’s driver you can submit the murder of a million unborn Americans to America’s Funniest Home Videos.

  • 33.On July 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pm, JakeD said:
    As I said, these threads here today convinced me to vote for McCain rather than Baldwin.

    If that is really true then you might be the most pathetic person on the planet.

  • Shalimar, Jake has been a Bush apologist over at ThinkProgress for as long as I can remember.

    And since Bush = McCain, Jake loves him some McConfused-All-The-Time.

  • JakeD – as an American citizen, you can vote for whomever you wish. However, you are evidently making that decision based on one prerequisite: he’s a Republican. So no matter what he says, does or stands or, you will vote for him. Fine. Whatever. But I would like to point out to you that spending 5 years as a POW doesn’t make a President. It doesn’t confer superior judgement on someone, and this is proved by the FACT that he voted against banning the CIA from using techniques approaching or including torture. This, despite his claim that he was tortured when a POW. Frankly, it makes me question the truth about his claims. It simply doesn’t “compute.” Oh, by the say, other than his own claim about naming the lineup for the Green Bay Packers for his captors (whoops….Pittsburgh Steelers he claims last week)…who can corrobarate that claim? Who else was there, when he did that?

  • Gotta love people who consider a 12-celled clump “life” and worry their widdle heads about saving them all … while at the same supporting a never-ending war that’s led to nearly 1,000,000 dead brown people and counting, along with politicians who advocate for even MORE killing of brown people.

    I guess some lives are more equal than others …

  • JakeD says: “Me too — where are 50 million Americans being murdered?”

    I imagine that, over 35 years, at least 50 million American lives could be saved by stem cell research.

  • 24. On July 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 pm, Dale said:
    Wasn’t it Mitt Romney who had the secret plan to end the Iraq War? If McCain chooses him as Veep, he’ll get access to that plan. Then the tide will turn for McCain.

    Add that to McCain’s secret plan to get bin Laden and you have a ultra-secret national security juggernaut.

  • Nobody is saying the ICORP in Iraq is going to end.

    Have you noticed? Mebbe it’s gonna diminish some.

    Obama says in 16 mos or so he should have all the “combat” troops out.

    But he also says Afghanistan is the “new central front” for the war on terror.
    So the war doesn’t have to end.
    We just move it.
    No problem.
    Do you have any idea how big Baghram AB is? Not quite the size of Camp Bondsteel(say what?), but almost. And there’s room in Afghanistan for a couple more just like it.

    And there’s those 50 ‘temporary’ bases we built “for the Iraqis,” and all that weaponry, aircraft, and materiel, and the people to fly, maintain and supply ’em, are gonna need protecting.

    Figger 80-100 THOUSAND troops, PLUS Mercs…

    We ain’t goin’ nowhere…

  • JakeD

    I doubt most people on the right actually read the CDC study but the vast majority of all of those abortions were in the first trimester. There was no information about health issues, economic factors or any other context, so the data are fairly insubstantial. Also I think that you would find, if this administration would support alternative methods of birth control and education that even these numbers would drop significantly.

    You want to see lots of abortions, demonize single moms, take away their means of support, strip them of real education with science and stuff and tell them they are going to hell if they have relations out of wedlock (if anyone finds out).

    When the right starts offering a way to pay for the fetuses that people are forced to deliver, I will take their argument seriously. As it stands, the idea that children must be forced into the world to be cared for by parents who don’t want them is a little sick.

    I think you will also find that the Republicans are the last party that would like to see abortion made illegal again because it is seriously the only issue they have left. Plus, If you are certain of McCain’s stand on it then you probably know more about him than he does.

  • JakeD,

    You see abortion as the murder of a human being, I don’t. Abortion is never an easy choice for any woman, but regardless of your or my personal feelings on the issue women are going to continue to have abortions whether they are legal or not. If you are opposed to abortion, don’t have one, and don’t have sex with any women who would have an abortion if she became pregnant unexpectedly. You’re opposed to abortion, I’m not, so obviously you’re going to vote for the Republican and I’m going to vote for the Democrat. This should surprise no one.

  • It’s not just Heather Wilson suggesting troop withdrawals by McCain should he wind, McCain contradicts his rejected NYTimes editorial and says that the troops could be out of Iraq in two years.

    After a meeting with former President George H.W. Bush, McCain was asked whether it was conceivable for U.S. troops to be fully pulled out of Iraq in about two years.

    “I think they could be largely withdrawn,” the Arizona senator replied, citing the success of the “surge” strategy of increasing U.S. troop levels in increasing security in the country.

    “As I’ve said, we have succeeded. This strategy is not (just) succeeding, we have succeeded. And of course as we all know it has to be based on conditions on the ground.”

    McCain said U.S. military success had made it possible for troops to return. “When you win wars, troops come home. And we are winning,” he said.

    While we can be sure that McCain will be all over the place on the withdrawal….yes we can, no we can’t, yes we can….he none the less has opened the door to this possibility with a pivot off of the success of the surge. Just as I predicted on Saturday he would.

    Of course, he leaves himself some wiggle room with the ubiquitous “conditions on the ground” caveat.

  • Only JSMcC*nt and Joe LIEberman are knowledgeable and wise enough to determine when America can leave Iraq with honor and victory.

    A democratically elected Democratic president representing the will of the American People certainly can’t. /snark

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