McCain targets Obama on military service

There’s been a casual agreement in recent campaign cycles that presidential candidates with military backgrounds tout their service, but they don’t necessarily denigrate their rivals for not wearing a uniform. In each of the last five races, one presidential hopeful had considerably more military experience than his rival, and in each instance, the one who served resisted the temptation to attack the other for not having served.

This year, that’s apparently off the table.

Republican John McCain launched a harsh attack on Democrat Barack Obama’s lack of military credentials Thursday, charging that the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination has “zero understanding” of veteran’s issues.

Obama responded in kind, accusing McCain of engaging “endless diatribes and schoolyard taunts” that “do nothing to advance the debate about what matters to the American people.”

The angry exchange — a preview of what will surely be a hotly debated point of difference between the two men if, as expected, they are their parties’ nominees for the presidency — came as the fellow senators disagreed over an educational provision in a GI Bill that’s up for a vote.

For McCain, who supports the unpopular war in Iraq and is running in a tough year for Republicans, Obama’s lack of military experience may be his strongest line of attack in the fall.

Obama started this flap, criticizing McCain’s decision to oppose a modernized, bipartisan GI Bill. McCain’s overheated response made it personal: “I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did.”

There are a couple of angles to this. First, obviously, is McCain trying to say he has credibility on the issue, by virtue of his background. This is a surprisingly weak pitch — McCain’s service isn’t relevant to his Senate votes that undercut those currently wearing the uniform.

Second, it’s curious that so many in the media continue to believe that McCain is reluctant to campaign on his military service, when just the opposite is pretty obvious.

Reporters seem to be thinking of the 2000 McCain, who went out of his way to avoid talking about his Navy background. They may even be thinking of 2004, when McCain criticized John Kerry for reminding voters of his own heroic service. McCain said he was “sick and tired of re-fighting the Vietnam War,” and disparaged Kerry, saying his emphasis on his military record is “clearly a tactical or strategic move.”

But this is a far different McCain. This McCain seems to believe, “You can’t criticize me; I’m a war hero.”

Indeed, Bloomberg reported this week that McCain seems to be using his background as something of a catch-all “trump card.”

Whether he’s deflecting criticism over his health-care plan or mocking a tribute to the Woodstock music festival, Senator John McCain has a trump card: the Hanoi Hilton.

That’s the nickname for the site where he spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, a past that McCain regularly recalls on the campaign trail to fend off policy attacks, score political points and give voters a glimpse of his sentimental side. He campaigns with squadrons of POWs and made a video to mark the 35th anniversary of his release from prison.

When Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Senator John Edwards, rebuked McCain’s medical-care proposal and noted that he’d always enjoyed government health benefits, McCain responded that he knows what it’s like to get inadequate care — “from another government.” During an October debate, while knocking a Hillary Clinton plan to help fund a museum celebrating Woodstock, McCain said he missed the 1969 festival because he was “tied up at the time.” Even his rivals applauded.

Even this week, when McCain was pressed on why he flip-flopped on normalized relations with Cuba, he responded, “My record is unchanged and consistent for 24 years. A Cuban officer and enlisted men came to Hanoi and tortured my friends — killed one of them. My position on Cuba has been exactly the same.”

The McCain campaign brings up the war “often enough to make sure it stays in people’s minds, but not so much that it seems exploitative and crass,” said Media Matters’ Paul Waldman.

True, though if McCain’s only defense for opposing expanded education benefits for the troops is “Obama didn’t serve and I did,” he’s certainly getting awfully close to the exploitative/crass line.

Well, it’s time to bring up the USS Forrestal incident and ask what his real role was in causing the carrier to nearly sink. Seems fair.

  • This is why Wes Clark is a vastly superior running mate for Obama than HRC.

  • As Chris Matthews pointed out last night, this didn’t seem to be a deterrent in supporting the policies of Bush and all of his chicken hawk advisors.

  • The pushback by McCain has been clumsy. In his over-the-top reply to Obama, he made a point of noting that he remembered where he was when Pearl Harbor was attacked. Way to remind voters of just how old you are, John.

  • [In] 2000 McCain … went out of his way to avoid talking about his Navy background.

    That’s how the press spun it in 1999-2000, but I don’t that’s even really true. E.g. he used his military experience in ads and kept telling reporters how reluctant he was to talk about it as a sort of meta cover for talking about it. See Somerby’s archives on the subject.

  • What Erik said.

    Clark as a running mate would be a sign of reconciliation with the Hillary camp and a relief to those who think Obama’s too green to be president. But in this context he would be most valuable: nobody’s going to out-military or out-patriot The General.

  • why is it, that those who served in the military, think that that is the only acceptable way to serve your country? there are many other ways, in some cases better ways, to serve your country. peace corps? americorps?

  • McCain calls into question the lack of military service for his opponent, who wants to do all he can for those who wear the uniform—while McCain himself want military service to be nothing more than a form of long-term servitude. Let’s put this into the proper perspective—Obama wants to free the slaves do more for our soldiers; McCain worries about keeping them in their chains “retention.”

    McCain—meet your Appomattox….

  • …charging that the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination has “zero understanding” of veteran’s issues.

    This is a total lie! McCain said Obama has “less than zero understanding.”

    Say, how much military experience did FDR have before leading the country into WWII? Oh yeah — none! How much did Ronnie Reagan have before “winning” the Cold War? “Less than zero.”

  • Ooh, ooh, can I comment? Gee, Obama has never killed someone, so how can he possibly be relevant? He has never bombed people from 30,000 feet and experienced the numbness of distance as women and children are killed, an masse’, so what does he know? As long as murderers are leading our country we must expect a response in kind!

  • Erik in Maine said:
    This is why Wes Clark is a vastly superior running mate for Obama than HRC.

    I want to see Gen. Clark thoroughly vetted before he’s even mentioned as a VP candidate. I’ve read a number of stories about how he really “screwed the pooch” while he was in charge of the NATO occupation of Bosnia.

  • More hogwash hypocrisy from a guy who voted against the new GI Bill.
    “Ace” McCain needs to go back to flight school.
    And takes some gingko, his Alzheimer’s is showing.

  • Yeah, the argument that you have to have military experience to be President is absolutely incredible. This is coming from people who think that having a military budget as large as the rest of the world COMBINED is not good enough. Go ahead and look at McCain’s positions on defense on his website. We apparently need *more* military. Basically, everything should be military. Military, military, military, or you’re an appeaser, appeaser, appeaser.

    BTW, be sure to Google McCain and then click on the paid link to McCain’s campaign. Thanks in advance from a Google stockholder.

  • Clark would be excellent. I definitely think Obama will go with some military background for his vp choice, and Wes Clark brings that along with alot of support of his own, appeal to voters Obama needs help with…and he’s from the Clinton camp. Clark also advised Hillary Clinton to drop out after North Carolina/Indiana.

    McCain finds himself in an odd bind. He will definitely use his military experience, yet he also seems out of touch militarily. His weird support of the Bush adminstration on Webb’s GI bill, his policy stands on Iraq and Iran…those will be problems his service can’t overcome. Plus, once you peel away the POW story his military experience wasn’t that flattering. Clark would completely nuetralize him on the militray front.

  • “I will not accept from Senator Obama, ……….. any lectures on my regard for those who did.”

    I gotta feeling McCain is not going have a choice on which lectures he wants to accept. There are gonna be plenty coming his way after his unwavering support for the Bush Administration during the 7.5 years.

    Goes with the territory buddy. Specially after McC became bossum buddies with Georgie.

  • Oh, and for what it’s worth (and I understand the reach out to Hillary supports with a Wes Clark VP nomination), I think I’d currently prefer Jim Webb. But I agree with SteveT above – serious vetting needs to be done on any VP candidate.

  • How much did Ronnie Reagan have before “winning” the Cold War? “Less than zero.”
    Incorrect.

    better check your facts, he was in the service,as a reservist. Nowadays he’d be dodging IEDs as a “reservist”.

    from teh Wikki wikki:

    After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[19] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[20] He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on May 25, 1937, and on June 18 was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.[21]

  • It’s a pretty safe bet that upon taking office, one of McMadman’s first executive orders will be to have the Forrestal sunk as a deep-water artificial reef. Can’t have reminders of the wanton mass murder of military personnel ‘gross negligence” lying around for people to pick up on and all that, y’know….

  • This is an easy one for Obama to rebuke. McCain has marched in lockstep with the failed foreign policy of a vice president that “had other priorities” and received 5 draft deferments, and a president who still hasn’t come up with proof that he actually fulfilled his national guard duties, which in itself is defacto draft dodging.

    Look, Obama doesn’t have to try and out muscle Mccain on this issue, he needs to appeal directly to military families that have been devastated by Bu$h’s occupation of Iraq. If he gets the military vote, Mccain is finished.

    And that’s another point Obama should be hammering home at every available opportunity: Stop calling this a War in Iraq. It is an occupation. Calling it a war lends it a sense of credibility.

  • One thing McCain is obviously overlooking is the fact that Obama turned 18 in 1979. When and where would he have undergone active duty? El Salvador? Tehran? Beirut? None of those required full involvement, much less extensive troop deployments, from the U.S., so what is the guy supposed to do? Time-travel? Start a war so he can say he served his country? Give me a break.

  • The people who have been the most gung ho about the Iraq debacle are the ones who never served — Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Bill Kristol, Rush Limbaugh. But many of the Republicans with actual military experience — Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, Lindsy Graham — have expressed caution about putting American soldiers in harm’s way.

    And then there’s John McCain.

    Why is it that McCain seems to be so cavalier about the lives of our troops and indifferent to them after they’ve served?

  • Only those who’ve worn the uniform have the experience that’s critical to efficiently screwing the people currently wearing it.

  • Joe Biden SLAMMED McCain on this point on MSNBC this morning.

    Paraphrasing: “That’s like me questioning another senator’s policy on Highways, because my wife and kids were hit by a truck”.

    (Biden said it much better than that of course)

  • Former Dan,

    I’m more worried about the 132 sailors that lost their lives during the stunt in which McCain was involved. Being the son of an admiral though can get you out of a heap o’ trouble, it seems.

    And as far as being a prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years, while I do not mean to denigrate his and others hardships, WE have prisoners of war who have been locked up at least that long and have been enduring torture. I only mean to paint this from a humanitarian point of view; he should be going back to the old mccain that opposes these conditions, not for political expediency but because he knows what it is like. Nope, mccain wants to use it as trump card, as was said in the article. McCain: REAL HEROES don’t go throwing around their sacrifices and loss to gain attention or reward. REAL HEROES view their actions as normal, ordinary occurrences that anyone else placed in their situation would have done, because it was the right thing to do.

  • Wow I just found out that Biden’s wife and kid were actually killed in a crash – wow he’s making it personal.

  • “After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[19] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[20] He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on May 25, 1937, and on June 18 was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.”

    after which, he spent the war in hollywood making movies — including military training films that he later mistook for actual service.

  • I’m kinda curious why several of you are bringing up the Forrestal like it was Sen. McCain’s fault. He was either in the jet that got hit by the missile or the jet next to the one that got hit. Either way, it wasn’t his fault that the missile launched and he was injured in the bomb blast shortly thereafter. There are plenty of actual issues to go after McCain on. I don’t see how the Forrestal fire is one of them.

  • Why is McCain considered a war hero? I’d really like someone to answer that. Eisenhower was a war hero. Why is McCain?

  • @28
    Not that it matters to you, but apparently McCain wet started his jet (fuel in the jet pipe) which caused a huge flame out the back with enough heat to ignite the Zuni rocket that his jet and set off the whole damn thing.

  • According to Wikipedia, the Forrestal fire was caused by an electrical surge which caused a missile to shoot across the deck as it was being prepared for firing at Vietnam – what complicity does McCain have? I have heard rumors about his endangering lives on the carrier because of the reckless flying which earned him his “Ace” sobriquet – let’s develop those that have truth in them.

  • Eisenhower was a war hero. Why is McCain?

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I sort of think of anyone who went to war as a hero. Including my dad, who was simply a rank-and-file soldier.

    That doesn’t mean we owe McCain the presidency. In fact, if he wants to run on his military service in the middle of a hugely unpopular war he supports (which really demonstrates just how bankrupt of ideas his campaign is–they’ve got nothin’), we should be arguing that because of his first-hand knowledge, there’s even less excuse for his lack of support for the troops, not to mention his embrace of U.S. torture and the abysmal judgment he’s shown on everything having to do with Iraq.

  • DanP:
    I don’t know a hell of a lot about the incident, but I did a quick read of the link you posted. No offense, but it reads like the rantings of a 9-11 conspiracy theorist. There is almost no citation to support the claims of the author, and most of the key points directly contradict what’s listed in the wikipedia article on the incident. I realize that wikipedia isn’t perfect, so I’ll try to find the official Navy report if I have time and read it, but I don’t think the Democratic Party wants to be coming after John McCain with a questionable alternative version of events. If we can lock down that he did something wrong, great. Otherwise, I think we’d get more negative results from trying to use this than Sen. McCain would.
    Just my two cents.

  • zhak #30: “Why is McCain considered a war hero?”

    Homer: That Timmy is a real hero!
    Lisa: How do you mean, Dad?
    Homer: Well, he fell down a well… and he can’t get out.
    Lisa: How does that make him a hero?
    Homer: Well it’s more than you did!

    SickofBushClintonBush #18… I’m not unaware of Reagan’s service “in uniform,” but it’s no exaggeration to say that he was safe in the rear with the gear. Factory workers assembling warplanes were in more physical jeopardy than Reagan.

  • redlegphi

    I think we can both agree that the exact details on the incident are somewhat murky, and it really would take looking at official Navy docs, that is if they aren’t severely redacted. But McCain was in the middle of it, if only to be sitting there. And he was evacuated to the medical ship when he was unharmed. I guess somebody could find out if he ever flew another plane off the Forrestal’s deck or if he was stationed on another carrier after that, that might help elucidate some clarity.

    I agree with you again though on the larger point. This isn’t something the democrats want to make an issue of. There are political issues a plenty to be harped on. I personally believe that every time McCain opens his mouth, he makes it a little easier for the Democrats come November.

  • For what it’s worth, I think McCain’s version of the GI Bill probably has some merit — increasing the benefits a soldier gets after discharge based on how long he or she spent in uniform, and specifically what types of duty they saw, makes perfect sense to me.

    If McCain and the other supporters of this variant bill would agree to put in a clause absolutely forbidding ‘stop-loss’ , or any other policy that would force soldiers to remain in service longer than they originally contracted for, I’d believe his bill was superior to the one that Webb and Obama are pushing.

    Of course, we’ll see our government prohibit ‘stop loss’ the same day it agrees to provide the protection of Federal safety regulations to its own employees, and creates citizens’ boards to deal with Congressional redistricting, ethics problems, and Federal pay rates.

  • DB:
    The wikipedia article on McCain indicates that he took some shrapnel when the first bomb exploded. Once again, wikipedia isn’t perfect, but I tend to think that if that’s incorrect, somebody would have caught it by now.
    McCain began flying off of another carrier after the incident (the Oriskany) and was later shot down.

  • I’m really hoping Obama thinks of asking Jim Webb to be a spokesman for him in this flap. Webb didn’t just help write and introduce the GI bill, he’s a former marine who served in Vietnam. I’d really grin if Obama got in McCain’s face and asked, “Are you also going to denigrate the experience of our mutual college, Sen. Webb, who introduced this bill and also criticizes you for not supporting it?”

  • Only a Jackass would question the patriotism of a man who survived SIX YEARS in a North Vietnamese POW camp!! Anybody who thinks the Democratic party makes any changes for the betterment of our military members wasn’t on active duty during the Carter and Clinton administration. This is nothing more than Obama once again grandstanding on an issue that he knows nothing about. Only recently has a couple of the branches of our armed forces experienced problems attracting enlisted candidates, it’s the retention of fully trained and battle-experienced heroes that have been a bigger concern. The services should be doing more for those that have sacrificed more/longer as an incentive to make the service of their choice a career and not simply a means to an end.

  • I really wish McCain would stop using his POW/military experience as a gauntlet to swing at anyone who differs in opinion. Mr. McCain, you are not the only person who served in Viet Nam. You are not the only person who volunteered to serve there. You are not the only person who was held as POW. Your ideas and opinions are simply yours, not every veteran’s.

    As a Navy and Viet Nam veteran, I find the swinging of your military/POW gauntlet disrespectful to all the veterans who served, as well as their opinions and ideas on how this country should be governed.

    We didn’t hear you sling this mud at Bush or Cheney.

  • Whenever McSame mentions his military service, I’d just like to answer back “But what have you done lately?” Lately, he has been against supporting the troops after they get home and after they leave the service. I think that counts for a lot more than having served 40 years (or however long it was) ago.

  • I think McCain’s version of the GI Bill probably has some merit — increasing the benefits a soldier gets after discharge based on how long he or she spent in uniform, and specifically what types of duty they saw, makes perfect sense to me. — Doc Nebula, @37

    According to an article in yesterday’s NYT, tying the size of benefits to the length of service wasn’t the only bone of contention, though it had been the one most publicised. Where the Repubs really had a conniption was the transfer of the benefits to the families. God forbid the family values should be so corrupted!

  • “..who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform..”
    I’m confused at McCain’s complaint.

    Was Obama supposed to have signed up for the Vietnam war (which ended when he was 14), or in Grenada (which lasted about a week) or in Gulf War I (which was fought when he was 29), or the Bosnian war (which McCain opposed).

    Or are all adult males simply obliged to sign up and do their part?

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