McCain vs. Obama — Round II

Way back in February 2006, Barack Obama and John McCain got into quite a dust-up over a lobbying reform measure. McCain wanted a task force, Obama preferred using standing committees, and McCain lost his cool. Long story.

Yesterday, their rivalry seemed to grow considerably more intense. Here’s the timeline:

* McCain accused Obama (and Hillary Clinton) of waving “a white flag to al Qaeda.”

* Obama responded in a speech, saying that McCain clearly believes “the course we are on in Iraq is working, but I do not. And if there ever was a reflection of that it’s the fact that Senator McCain required a flack jacket, ten armored Humvees, two Apache attack helicopters, and 100 soldiers with rifles by his side to stroll through a market in Baghdad just a few weeks ago.”

* McCain responded to Obama’s response with yet another statement: “While Senator Obama’s two years in the U.S. Senate certainly entitle him to vote against funding our troops, my service and experience combined with conversations with military leaders on the ground in Iraq lead me to believe that we must give this new strategy a chance to succeed because the consequences of failure would be catastrophic to our nation’s security. By the way, Senator Obama, it’s a ‘flak’ jacket, not a ‘flack’ jacket.”

* And just because the McCain campaign lacks a modicum of class, an anonymous McCain staffer told The Politico, “Obama wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG and a bong.” (Note to Politico: why grant anonymity for a shot like this?)

Now, it’s possible that this became fascinating to the political world because it was a slow news day, but I think we know better. We’re talking about two of the most powerful and most notable personalities in American politics, both of whom are top-tier candidates for the presidency, and both of whom seemed to revel in trading shots yesterday.

One thing I noticed yesterday, watching Obama deliver his response to McCain’s initial shot, was that he seemed to enjoy mixing it up a little bit. Obama is running a campaign in which he frequently talks about changing the way politics is done. His stump speech emphasizes above-the-fray concepts and bipartisanship. It’s led plenty of Democrats to wonder if Obama is aggressive enough to swing a few elbows when he has to.

Indeed, the conventional wisdom suggests one of the central questions about Obama is whether he can take a punch. My question has always been the opposite: can he deliver a punch?

That was what made yesterday’s back-and-forth interesting to me. Obama almost smiled calling McCain out, by name. It was one of the first, if not the very first, direct shots he took at the Republicans’ top tier. It was almost as if Obama was delivering an underlying message to Dems: “Don’t worry, I’m not nice all the time.”

As for McCain’s final shot, it’s pretty silly to criticize Obama for his campaign’s typo, but there’s a more important angle: McCain’s wrong. Media Matters found several examples of major media outlets — and the Pentagon — referring to “flack” jackets.

So, ultimately, McCain and his campaign team a) defended a failed policy in Iraq; b) corrected the spelling of a word that wasn’t misspelled; and c) took the inevitable cheap shot.

Livening up Memorial Day weekend for political reporters everywhere….

CB: “(Note to Politico: why grant anonymity for a shot like this?)”

Because Politico is funded by right-wing plutocrat, Joe Allbritton.

The Cossacks work for the Czar. You just have to know who the Czar is, to understand why the Cossacks do what they do.

  • “By the way, Senator Obama, it’s a ‘flak’ jacket, not a ‘flack’ jacket.”

    On the Internet, spelling flames are usually an indication that you’ve lost an argument. McCain isn’t as tuned in as he might like to appear.

  • With McCain’s anonyous spokespeople, Obama needs a flack jacket.

    When I want info about what the inside of a Vietnamese prison camp is like I’ll ask McCain. When I want info about the world outside I’ll ask someone else.

    McCain’s worldview is Situation Normal All Fucked Up.

    McCain wouldn’t even have know he was killing real people from his airplane if he hadn’t got shot down and met them face to face. The amazing thiing is that he can be a proponent of war.

  • McCain’s insane. He doesn’t make sense when he speaks and his ignorance is dangerous.

    20 people got murdered as a result of his public “safety” walk through that marketplace. The merchants were targeted just to prove to McCain how unsafe that market place was since they bargained with him. Someone should slap that smirk off his face when he talks about it because he knows this was why they were killed. They died because of his little political stunt and he’s willing to do it again. He’s reckless and would have a hard time justifying being a Senator much less a president.

  • Obama is impressing me more and more. Like you, I was skeptical of him at first, thinking he would wilt at the first sign of adversity. Instead, with his vote on the capitulation bill, he really showed he was ready to take on the Republicans and get us out of Iraq. Now with his forceful response to McCain, he’s showing that he’s not going to back down. He’s won my support. Unless Gore or Feingold enter the race, no one has been more consistently right on this war than Obama.

  • …was that he seemed to enjoy mixing it up a little bit.

    Who wouldn’t enjoy giving that blow-hard a smack down? And what a good smacking it was. McCainiac and the public need to be reminded of his little PR stunt as frequently as possible. I’m not sure Obama is this cunning but he may well be trying to goad McCainiac into a PDI (public display of insanity) that would stick a long fork in his campaign.

    Regarding the fla[c]k debate: Anything McCain wears on his upper body automatically becomes a FLAKE jacket.

  • Thank God for democrats like Obama who don’t pull a Carter ( backtrack when confronted), roll over on their back in submission, and pee on themselves.

  • I’m not sure it’s wise for McCain’s underlings to make statements like, “Obama wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG and a bong.” when McCain has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he no longer knows the difference between a war zone and a strip mall.

  • Thank God for democrats like Obama who don’t pull a Carter ( backtrack when confronted), roll over on their back in submission, and pee on themselves.

    Amen or Bingo!

    (depending on your church)

  • What depressed me, though it didn’t surprise me, was that the little MSM coverage I was able to watch last night focused pretty much exclusively on–you guessed it–“flak” versus “flack.”

    Hey, media assholes–what’s amusing and droll to you is quite literally life and death for thousands over there. Whatever your position, let’s please not dwell on the trivia.

    (And yes, I agree that McCain was desperately trying to change the subject from the almost unarguable point Obama made. Mine is just that, as always, the idiots in the media went for the shiny bit of flair.)

  • I hope Obama is savvy enough to not get lured into a made for media rumble. I’d hate to see his message lost on a tit-for-tat battle in the press.

    I am impressed with the grace and style that he brings to his retorts though. Barack’s manner reinforces the thugish character of McCain and his entourage while adding to Obama’s luster.

  • Considering McCain’s increasingly desperate salvos, bizarre behavior, his pandering to the wacko base, and the MSM’s silly focus maybe what we all need for protection from nonsense is a “flake” jacket.

  • gorp

    LOL. And if one was so inclined to add a few tubes and a motor, one could make an electric slave hookah out of McCain’s empty skull.

  • and after a few puffs from a rpg bong, the shops in Baghdad would remind one of shops in sleepy ol’ Indiana.

  • Awww, heck—all that Obama has to do is stand up in front of the cameras and say, “If I wanted to have an argument with a used piece of toilet paper, I’d go to the men’s room and take a dump in the john, rather than get into an argument with “Rampstrike” McCain. By the way, John—how many planes did you cost us during Viet Nam? Was it three, or four? And you run for President like you fly a plane—LOUSY!!! even your own State wants to recall your lazy, can’t-show-up-for-work butt….

  • I think it’s fair to allow shots such as the suggestion that Obama wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG launcher and a bong. After all, he could just counter with the saucy riposte that the president wouldn’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite.

    Oh…..wait.

  • I didn’t start reading CBR until May ’06, so this was the first time I read abbout th previous flap (nice, but not surprising, to see the same names in the comments then and today. Not surprising, because, once one found the voice of reason, why abandon it?) I do have my opinion on why McC lost his cool then (who could have known better than he that the already established committees were useless, being all-Repub and no sense?) — he was still semi-sensible at that point.

    The flack/flak story… I’m not entirely convinced that it *had been* a typo on the part of Obama’s campaign. It’s not just that either spelling is acceptable. It’s that “flack” has more meanings than “flak”.

    “Senator McCain required a flack jacket, ten armored Humvees, two Apache attack helicopters, and 100 soldiers with rifles by his side […]”

    Replace the first comma (after “jacket”) with a : (can’t remember the English term for it off hand), and the entire list of McC’s entourage — 100 soldiers, 10 Humvees, 2 Apache helicopters (and I think there were more planes, other than the Apaches) — becomes McC’s “jacket of flacks”. A flack jacket, IOW…

  • PS While I have — within the past couple of months or so — learnt what a “bong” is, I still have no idea what “an RPG” might be. Which, of course, means that I don’t know the difference between the two, either… While I realise I cannot run for prex *anyway* (being an “import” to US), I wonder why that should be a disqualifying point in te presidential stakes. Indeed, based on my understanding of what “bong” means… If RPG is in the same category, I’d prefer that my next prex is *not* overly familiar with either. We’ve already had one who “didn’t inhale” and one who’d fried his brains with coke (not of the drinking variety)…

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