McCain’s foreign-policy incoherence becomes slightly more embarrassing

John McCain’s vision of the Middle East is contradictory and incoherent, but let’s also not lose sight of his bizarre approach to Russia.

About a month ago, in his most detailed address on foreign policy of the campaign, McCain stated his intention to kick Russia out of the G-8. In rather belligerent tones, reminiscent of the Cold War, McCain said he would not tolerate “Russia’s nuclear blackmail or cyber attacks,” and suggested Russia is not a democracy “committed to the defense of freedom.”

International observers and foreign policy experts haven’t the foggiest idea what McCain is thinking.

John McCain dropped a little-noticed bombshell into his March foreign-policy address: Boot Russia from the G-8, the elite club of leading industrial democracies whose leaders try to coordinate economic policies.

One major problem: He can’t do it because the other G-8 nations won’t let him.

But the fact that he’s proposing to try, risking a return to Cold War tensions with the world’s second-largest nuclear power after 20 years of prickly partnership, raises questions about McCain’s judgment. It also underscores that many of his top foreign-policy advisers are of the same neo-conservative school that promoted the war in Iraq, argue for a tougher stance toward Iran and are skeptical of negotiating with North Korea over its nuclear program.

The Group of Eight, or G-8, as it’s popularly known, makes decisions by consensus, so no single nation can kick out another. Most experts say the six other countries — Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and Canada — would never agree to toss Russia, given their close economic ties to their neighbor. A senior U.S. official who deals with Russia policy said that even Moscow would have to approve of its own ouster, given how the G-8 works.

“It’s not even a theoretical discussion. It’s an impossible discussion,” said the senior official, who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak publicly. “It’s just a dumb thing.” (emphasis added)

Most of McCain’s ideas are.

Aside from that, many wonder whether McCain’s suggestion would be wise policy. They fear that if McCain is elected and follows through on an attempt to toss Russia from the group, it could anger and isolate Russia, which has been increasingly assertive on the world stage, autocratic within its borders and is the second-largest producer of the hydrocarbons that feed the world’s energy needs.

“In Europe, there’s very little support … for a policy like that,” said Stephen Larrabee, an expert on Europe and Russia at the RAND think tank. “It’s too late in the game to try and oust Russia.”

The proposal also seemed at odds with the theme of McCain’s speech, which promised a less unilateral approach to world affairs than the Bush White House has pursued. That could reflect tension between two Republican foreign-policy camps vying for influence in McCain’s campaign: the pragmatic realists and the hard-line neo-conservatives — with the neo-cons ascendant for now in Russia policy.

“There are a lot of important issues that we need Russia’s support on. …What’s to be gained by tossing Russia out? We feel more self-righteous about ourselves?” said Andrew Kuchins, the director of the Russia and Eurasia program at the Center for International and Strategic Studies, a center-right think tank.

And just as a reminder, let’s not forget Fareed Zakaria’s recent explanation of why McCain seems to have Russian policy backwards.

What McCain has announced is momentous — that the United States should adopt a policy of active exclusion and hostility toward two major global powers. It would reverse a decades-old bipartisan American policy of integrating these two countries into the global order, a policy that began under Richard Nixon (with Beijing) and continued under Ronald Reagan (with Moscow). It is a policy that would alienate many countries in Europe and Asia who would see it as an attempt by Washington to begin a new cold war. […]

The single most important security problem that the United States faces is securing loose nuclear materials. A terrorist group can pose an existential threat to the global order only by getting hold of such material. We also have an interest in stopping proliferation, particularly by rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea. To achieve both of these core objectives — which would make American safe and the world more secure — we need Russian cooperation. How fulsome is that likely to be if we gratuitously initiate hostilities with Moscow? Dissing dictators might make for a stirring speech, but ordinary Americans will have to live with the complications after the applause dies down.

To reorder the G8 without China would be particularly bizarre. The G8 was created to help coordinate problems of the emerging global economy. Every day these problems multiply — involving trade, pollution, currencies — and are in greater need of coordination. To have a body that attempts to do this but excludes the world’s second largest economy is to condemn it to failure and irrelevance. International groups are not cheerleading bodies but exist to help solve pressing global crises. Excluding countries won’t make the problems go away.

Let’s all say it together: McCain has no idea what he’s talking about.

When you’re banking on fear getting the votes, you can never get enough good enemies. Republicans will continue to insult Iran, Arabs, Mexicans, and anyone else they can hoping to goad somebody into a fight, a terrorist attack or some embarrassing riot. There’s no other way for McCain to win that war and more war, fear and more fear.

  • mclame is a senile man that has lived on the public dole his entire life – he Vietnam record is a sham, he was a traitor there, not a war hero.

    He was deeply involved with the savings and loan scandal.

    He will not even follow his own campaign finance reforms.

    He is nothing more than a tool – chosen to be a bumbling, distracting face for the criminal cabal behind dur chimpfurher.

    GREAT CRIMES DEMAND EVEN GREATER CRIMINALITY

    Expect the folks behind mclame to steal this election (like 200 & 2004). This task will be easier if shillary is the nominee because she is also a pandering politician totally out-of-touch with average Americans and they will drag up everything they slimed the clintons with in the 1990s.

  • McCain is clearly out of touch in many areas.

    The current conventional wisdom is that McCain might have an advantage over Obama because of his far greater experience. I think that Obama is exactly the type of candidate which the Democrats need to go up against McCain.

    Clinton won’t be able to touch McCain. He still has far more expereince than Clinton, and is considered more trust worthy. People who aren’t already Clinton supporters simply will not believe her when she takes on McCain. Besides, she supported the war, undermining her criticism of McCain there.

    In contrast Obama can do a far better job of simply bringing out the facts. He can both do a better job of presenting the arguments against McCain and it is far more likely that independents and moderate Republicans will listen to him as opposed to Clinton. A debate between Obama and McCain could wind up a lot like the first Kerry-Bush debate of 2004, except this time the Democrat won’t have a huge deficit to make up by election day.

  • As I did last time this issue came up, let me be the dissenting voice. Frankly, the left has itself tied in knots on these issues, and risks outright hypocrisy because it is reacting to who makes the suggestion and why rather than the suggestion itself. I daresay that if the idea of kicking Russia out of G8 had been proposed from the left, it would be welcomed.

    My basis for this allegation is pretty simple. When Republican administrations were doing things like granting China MFN trading status and sending high-ranking delegations, it was the left who was having a fit about rewarding a country with such an abysmal civil rights record. Even now, it is the left that is calling for boycotts of all or part of the Olympics.

    So if, say, Joe Biden had come out and said, before McCain ever did, “look, we let Russia into G8 solely in recognition that they were embracing democratic and market reforms and improving their approach to human rights. If they aren’t going to keep up their end of the bargain, if they aren’t going to be a modern civilized country in terms of civil liberties and human rights, they shouldn’t get the benefits. I think we sit them back on the sidelines until they have change their minds and stop the backsliding” – I think the left would have supported it.

    There simply is no good way to harmonize the left’s reaction to the Reagan/Bush 41 normalization and favored treatment of China and the left’s reaction to McCain’s suggestion on Russia. McCain may be suggesting it for the wrong reasons, McCain may be approaching the details naively, but for the exact same reasons the left opposed MFN for China, it should be willing to consider whether Russia really deserves G8 status or not.

  • Actually, stupid ideas are not welcome, whatever the source. This has nothing to do with left or right, and everything to due with sensible approaches to issues vs. idiotic proposals with no foundation in reality.

    Russia is in the G8 because it has oil and the nuclear weapons to defend it, not on the strength of its Finland-sized economy. International groups don’t exist to provide a reward system in the form of membership in an exclusive club, they exist to provide forums for nations to work out their differences and discover common goals outside the more traditional avenue of total war, which the world can no longer afford.

  • You’re only half right, Antonius. The United Nations, where Russia and key western leaders sit together on the Security Council, exists to provide a forum for nations to work out their differences peacefully.

    The G7 was a forum specifically for leading democracies with market-based economies to discuss their common issues and interactions and role in the broader world. If Russia wants to move away from having a democracy and a market-based economy, it simply doesn’t fit. Different groups have different membership critieria. If they don’t fit, why should we merely overlook it because they are “Russia”?

    Are you suggesting that the left didn’t seek to use MFN as a reward system? Or are you suggesting the left shouldn’t have done so? I dont see where MFN, just because it lacks an “organization” should be any different than G8 membership. And really, I don’t see why either should not be used as a carrot or a stick. That seems like yet another way to address concerns among countries short of physical warfare. What do you propose we do to stop Russia’s backsliding? Nothing? Just keep rewarding them by treating them as if the backsliding isn’t really happening why they lock up political dissidents, forcably nationalize the petroleum industry, intimidate the press, and violently oppress the Chechens?

  • Gee, I dunno…
    Everything I hear about him on the TeeVee and in the news and magazines say he’s pretty good.
    Get my point?
    Judging by the mood of the country, it won’t be as easy for the Republicans to steal the presidency for the third time in a row. But the Corp Media still worries me.
    Thanks, Steve, for making America stonger through knowledge. We all will have to work to spread the truth, even while they “catapault the propaganda.”

  • I don’t know what the big concern is about his stance on Russia. As pointed out many times on this site, all we have to do is wait awhile and Flippity McFloppity will take a different position.

  • The biggest problem I have with McCain’s “stance” on these issues is the continuation of the dominance of the neo-cons as the singular and sole source of foreign policy. Our whole process of open and fair debate and action based on input from all of our society has been stopped.

    Your whole debate about what policy is effective or not, who is tied in knots or not, is all a bunch of hot air. McCain isn’t going to listen to you, or the Senate, or the Congress, and our country will also continue to ignore our own laws and international treaties. Until we overthrow a bunch of loonies that were rejected by everone including the Republican party until Bush 43 came along we have tied our whole country to a bunch of nut jobs with an abysmal track record.

    How we should deal with Russia is a moot point until we get our own government back. Then we can figure out what to do.

  • Chaos Theory (No. . . not Limbaugh’s) . . . The world is going down the drain . . . The Muslims and Mexicans are bad enough – now we got the Ruskies trying to cause trouble and re-start the Cold War that Reagan single handedly ended!

    We got to get a real American fighting man in charge to whip these folks back into line! . . . Get McCain in there – fast! . . . He’ll make Eric Prince chairman of the Joint Chiefs and off we go. . . By the way, them Chinamen and Indians (you know, the ones from India) better watch out too.

  • Mark Pencil says: ” When Republican administrations were doing things like granting China MFN trading status…” This was actually granted to China the first time in 1979 under the (Democratic) Carter administration. It had to be renewed annually under the terms of the Jackson-Vanik amendment, and every administration since has done so. There have been arguments from both the left and right in favor and in opposition to this status.

  • Once and for all, will you people get it straight, no republican will win the WH this election no matter who we nominate. You can’t get worse than McCain. 75% of the nation will not vote McCain. He is a dangerous and embarrassing voice in American politics, who is alienating more of the world than Bush has (if that’s possible.

    What part of our current disaster would we want to continue and make worse by having McCain as president. It’s an absolute joke. It is not a question of what is wrong with McCain…it is a major problem trying to find anything right with McCain. Just finding one thing is next to impossible (I would say immigration but he’s flipped on that topic too). The GOP had to have someone out there and McCain turned out to be the least embarrassing and that’s not saying much. But after the horrors of Bush, voters will not choose four more years of McBush. There is only a race in the media not in reality. The only presidential race this election is the democratic primary. No republican will win the WH…period. So just laugh at those who even suggest it as a possibility. They are just full of fear. What a joke…the McCain punishment is the blackmail of threat to manipulate your responses.

    McCain…it’s not that there’s anything wrong with him…there’s just nothing right about him. Please don’t ask him questions, he’s confused enough.

  • Joey, the only things wrong with your otherwise logically impeccable argument are the rise to the presidency of the New Nixon (with his secret Peace Plan), the old Reagan, the Even Older Reagan (second term), and both terms of Bush The Lesser.

    All seemed unthinkable at the time.

  • You write: “Most of McCain’s ideas are [dumb].” Absolutely, but that raises a question: Does he have any idea that isn’t dumb, disastrous, despicable, or — given reports of his use on his wife of what many judge to be the vilest epithet for women in the English language — dirty-mouthed? According to a recent biography, the verbal abuse — which he did not deny this week when asked about it — occurred in front of three reporters. That makes it not only ugly and stupid, but raises questions about his sense of obligation even to supporters. She is the wife who bankrolled his political career, who now eases his campaign expenses with her private plane. If he treats her this way, how might he treat voters or their Constitution? Americans often vote for character over the wonky details of policy, so let them take a clear look at McCain’s. His self-absorption and power lust may, even in this time of executive power run amok, set new bars.

  • joey isn’t likely to let a few facts get in his way – most of all, the fact that mclame=clinton

    If shillary is the nominee, expect another stolen election – if they don’t manage to steal it this time (as in 2000 & 2004) they still win with a bush-clinton-bush-clinton monarchy that represents the same core interests – no change in either case.

    Don’t underestimate their ability to steal 2008 – even the faux-liberal bloggosphere will not allow an honest dialog about stolen elections.

    JUST GET OVER IT is not a reason to accept election fraud and treason.

  • Let’s all say it together: McCain has no idea what he’s talking about.

    What do you expect of someone who graduated 5 from the bottom at the National Boating Society’s trade school???

  • Of all the Republicans who ran for the nomination, I hear they chose the guy with the most foreign policy experience.

    I wonder what McBush is going to say when he debates Obama on Iraq, Iran and the G8.

    I wonder what the G8 is gonna say if we elect Bush for a 3rd term.

  • Antonius’ @ #5 really gets to the heart of what international diplomacy is: it is not flashy, it is boring , it is incremental, it is a lot of dialogue but most importantly it is NOT the Bush-McCain concept of lifting up your kilt and trying to solve problems by proving who has the bigger balls.

    Yes, Russia has retrenched due to having a former Cold War soldier return to the old ways to consolidate power. But McCain is a bird of a feather to Putin and reigniting this conflict won’t do us any good. The USSR collapsed when its indebtedness and war in Afghanistan led to its economic demise. Well guess who is stuck in Afghanistan (and Iraq) and up to its eyeballs in debt now. It is us that will collapse in a renewed Cold War. Especially as McCain’s road to power is to give away and collapse our Treasury. John needs to think with his big head and not his little head … for a change.

  • John needs to think with his big head and not his little head … for a change. — petorado, @19

    McSame (McCain’t) has “testicular fortitude”… Same as McDame…

  • 19 & 20 – shame on you!

    REAL men don’t have to hire prostitutes – that senile twerp does not have any testicular fortitude, he is the ultimate spineless flip-flopper.

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