McCain’s G8 policy depends on ‘where he is right now’

Just a few months ago, in his first major address on foreign policy, John McCain stated his intention to kick Russia out of the G-8. In rather belligerent tones, reminiscent of the Cold War, McCain said he would not tolerate “Russia’s nuclear blackmail or cyber attacks,” and suggested Russia is not a democracy “committed to the defense of freedom.” McCain added, in case there were any ambiguities, that we “should … exclude Russia” from the G8.

The policy always seemed like a very bad idea, and the foreign policy establishment couldn’t imagine what McCain was talking about. What’s more, it wasn’t just an unscripted response at a town-hall meeting; this was McCain reading from a prepared text in a high-profile speech.

Now, however, McCain apparently no longer believes what he said he believes.

[A McCain adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity] dismissed McCain’s comment last October on Russia and the G-8 as “a holdover from an earlier period,” adding: “It doesn’t reflect where he is right now.”

I’m afraid that’s not much of an answer. First, McCain announced his position on Russia and the G8 in March, not October. Whether it was “a holdover from an earlier period” or not is irrelevant — McCain told voters this was a key component of his foreign policy vision. At some point recently, McCain decided he believes the opposite.

For that matter, his carefully-crafted worldview in March “doesn’t reflect where he is right now”? Perhaps the McCain campaign could do us a favor and list the other parts of his foreign policy from March that he no longer accepts in June. (Remember, just yesterday, McCain’s in-house blogger, Michael Goldfarb, admonished Obama for trying to “have it both ways” on issues.)

Yglesias adds a possible wrinkle: maybe the anonymous McCain adviser is wrong:

My guess is that the McCain adviser here is mistaken — [the advisor] knows this is a bad idea, so he’d like to think that McCain has flip-flopped away from it. But though McCain has changed positions on a lot of issues over the years, he’s been pretty consistent ever since 1999 or so on foreign policy questions — taking the most hawkish line on every issue, seeking to ratchet-up tensions with every potential rival, etc. But if McCain has changed his mind about this, and I hope he has, he should say so clearly rather than through an anonymous quote.

Quite right. Either McCain plans to work on kicking Russia out of the G8 or he doesn’t. We should either believe what the senator told us, or we should believe what his advisor tells the press. Maybe the “straight talking” candidate can straighten this out for us.

And while he’s at it, perhaps he can explain how he came to believe he could kick Russia out of the G8 in the first place…

John McCain dropped a little-noticed bombshell into his March foreign-policy address: Boot Russia from the G-8, the elite club of leading industrial democracies whose leaders try to coordinate economic policies.

One major problem: He can’t do it because the other G-8 nations won’t let him…. The Group of Eight, or G-8, as it’s popularly known, makes decisions by consensus, so no single nation can kick out another. Most experts say the six other countries — Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Japan and Canada — would never agree to toss Russia, given their close economic ties to their neighbor. A senior U.S. official who deals with Russia policy said that even Moscow would have to approve of its own ouster, given how the G-8 works.

“It’s not even a theoretical discussion. It’s an impossible discussion,” said the senior official, who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak publicly. “It’s just a dumb thing.” (emphasis added)

…and why he thought it was a good idea.

Aside from that, many wonder whether McCain’s suggestion would be wise policy. They fear that if McCain is elected and follows through on an attempt to toss Russia from the group, it could anger and isolate Russia, which has been increasingly assertive on the world stage, autocratic within its borders and is the second-largest producer of the hydrocarbons that feed the world’s energy needs.

“In Europe, there’s very little support … for a policy like that,” said Stephen Larrabee, an expert on Europe and Russia at the RAND think tank. “It’s too late in the game to try and oust Russia.”

The proposal also seemed at odds with the theme of McCain’s speech, which promised a less unilateral approach to world affairs than the Bush White House has pursued. That could reflect tension between two Republican foreign-policy camps vying for influence in McCain’s campaign: the pragmatic realists and the hard-line neo-conservatives — with the neo-cons ascendant for now in Russia policy.

“There are a lot of important issues that we need Russia’s support on….What’s to be gained by tossing Russia out? We feel more self-righteous about ourselves?” said Andrew Kuchins, the director of the Russia and Eurasia program at the Center for International and Strategic Studies, a center-right think tank.

Maybe his stated position no longer “reflects where he is right now.” I hope so. But here’s one last question: if McCain shifts with the wind, how can voters know where he’ll end up?

Let’s paraphrase this just a wee bit, and see if this is still the guy that “some people” want for president:

A McCain adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity dismissed all of McCain’s promises to the American People made during the Fall campaign as “a holdover from an earlier period,” adding: “It doesn’t reflect where he is right now.”

Tell me again—how is McJowls not the embodiment of the Political Anti-Christ?

  • Looks like Senator Onion Belt has yet another flipflop to go in the big book. Pretty soon that book will need an index.

    Maaaatlock!

  • It doesn’t reflect where he is right now.

    Does he mean that literally or figuratively? Because I think McCain’s position does actually change relative to his geographic location and audience.

  • “A McCain adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity dismissed all of McCain’s promises to the American People made during the Fall campaign…”

    Kinda says it all, doesn’t it? Bush did the same thing, dropping his pledge to regulate carbon emissions (among others). The fact that someone inside his campaign is willing to say it is very interesting.

  • Let’s not forget that McCain was correct.

    Russia does NOT belong in the G8.

    The other 7 countries are democracies.
    US, Canada, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Britain.
    They are, BY FAR the largest economies in the world, excluding China and India.

    There really is no 8th country that deserves to be in the group. Russia doesn’t. India might. China might. Belgium might. Australia might.

    Russia bullied its way in because it seemed like it might be becoming a democracy. It had a huge army. It had a bunch of nuclear weapons. Now, it has oil and gas. Maybe we should ask Iran or Saudi Arabia to join. Iran will have nukes soon. Iran has a bunch of oil. Iran is probably a better democracy with a higher standard of living than the Russians.

  • I’m guessing Medvedev will drop himself out of the G-8 rather than have to see McCain grinning at him…

    By the way as for “a holdover from an earlier period”, Reuters should have asked him: “What period? The cold war? The Russian revolution?”

  • The G8 (and its predessor the G7) is a stupid forum for policy implementation. There was NEVER two G7 meetings where the members stayed the same. The meetings are barely able to agree on a common statement, and nothing effective is ever achieved.

    President Obama should arrange his foreign policies around meetings with three or four heads of state with a common interest in solving a common problem, and meet rather more often than once every year.

    And yes, Neil is right that Russia doesn’t really belong. Unfortunately, getting them out is rather a bad idea now.

  • Actually, the latest Wikipedia rankings show Russia as number 10 or 11, depending on whose list you like. Brazil, China, India and Spain round out the top 12, not in that order. The top 12 all have GDPs exceeding one trillion U.S. dollars.

    Check it out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

    Curiously, I see Iraq on only one list, the CIA fact book. Maybe I just missed it on the others.

  • [the advisor] knows this is a bad idea, so he’d like to think that McCain has flip-flopped away from it. — Yglesias, via CB

    McCain is *not*, a flip-flopper. He’s a Mighty (Mental) Acrobat! He learnt it at his mother’s knee, playing with this toy:
    http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/image76129.html

  • “a holdover from an earlier period,”

    Earlier period? That sounds an awful lot like taking care of someone who has Alzheimer’s. Sure he was angry and irrational last night, but it’s morning now so he’s making sense again.

  • I just don’t trust or believe McCain or his judgment on anything. After a person hits the 95% of being wrong on everything they touch I stop considering their opinions.

  • What a weasel that McCain is. It all depends on who he’s talking to.

    And for the record, according to a BBC interview I heard not long ago, the powers that be in Europe did NOT like this “Russia out of the G8” suggestion from McCain. Especially when he followed it up with a “let’s make nice with the Russians so we can deal with nuclear weapons” comment. People in several countries asked how he would reconcile those two positions.

    Imagine if we had media that actually reported things.

  • Now let’s think about this for a minute. If we go back and make Russia our enemy instead of Middle Easterners, then we don’t have to say that we are killing them for their oil or that we are killing them to make them free. This shows them that we are their friends. Meanwhile all the Cold War rhetoric can get dusted off and in a move worthy of reviving Ronald Reagan, we can use the Evil Empire stuff again. No thinking required. What a boon for SDI and other defense contractors who have not managed to to figure out how to make expensive high-tech orbital weaponry an effective deterrent against land-based terrorism. Now we can spend all we want on useless weapons and have a real reason to have them.

    Glad to see that McCain has Mr. Peabody on his side. Let’s go back to the good old bad days! Wheeeee!

  • It’s no good trying to find any rational basis for McCain’s
    drivel. The man’s brain has become thoroughly unwired.
    He’s dangerous and really scary because there’s no way
    to predict what he might do – Check out his ‘superstitions’
    On any given day he might decide that the alignment of
    the stars tell him to ‘bomb, bomb, bomb Iran or New Jersey.

    And apparently some people think unpredictability is an
    attractive quality. It’s no wonder the rest of the world thinks
    the US is crazy – we put guns in the hands of babies, imbeciles and
    deranged criminals.

  • This is odd…
    I’m being overcome with a sense of overwhelming ennui.

    I am becoming absolutely uninterested in anything McCain has to say as none of it MEANS anything longer than a week.

    Obama campaign ad:
    In Washington DC, there’s an expression: If you don’t like the weather, wait ten minutes. John McCain has spent 24 years here and seems to have learned a lot.

    Don’t like McCain’s views on issues? Wait a week, he’ll tell you something else.

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