McCain’s ‘ic’ problem

John McCain, especially of late, likes to emphasize to reporters how much he values treating people with “respect,” and his desire to have a presidential campaign where rivals honor each other’s differences.

And yet, he loves the grammatically wrong “Democrat Party.” The WSJ’s Laura Meckler decided to ask him about the disconnect.

Given McCain’s reputation for reaching across the aisle and his daily pledge to treat Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton with respect, Washington Wire was a little surprised to hear McCain using the same [“Democrat Party”] language [as Bush].

“One thing I’m not any good at predicting is the outcome of Democrat elections,” he said Tuesday aboard his bus, dubbed the Straight Talk Express. A day earlier, he had mentioned his “Democrat friends” to a Cleveland-area audience.

Asked aboard his bus about the “ic,” he replied, “I’m sorry, I usually say Democratic. They prefer Democratic, so I try to say Democratic… It offends some members of their party, so I’ll say Democratic if that’s what makes them feel better.”

Look, I try not to make too big a fuss over this, but McCain’s response is just silly. The use of the “ic” is not about what anyone “prefers,” or what makes people “feel better,” it’s about grammar in the English language.

The senator seems a little slow on the uptake lately, so let me spell it out. “Democrat” is a noun; “Democratic” is an adjective. There is no “Democrat Party,” not because it’s offensive, but because it doesn’t make any sense. Republicans have two choices — the “Democratic Party” or the “Democrats’ party.” One is preferable, but both are at least consistent with rules of English. If they’re feeling particularly casual, they could also go with “Dems” — as I do — as an inoffensive shorthand.

But let’s not characterize this as some kind of option.

I’m reminded of this Ruth Marcus piece from a while back.

If he wanted to, President Bush could change the tone in Washington with a single syllable: He could just say “ic.” That is, he could stop referring to the opposition as the “Democrat Party” and call the other side, as it prefers, the Democratic Party. […]

Democrat-as-epithet has seen its fullest flowering — on talk radio, among congressional leaders and, more than with any of his predecessors, from the president himself — during the recent Republican heyday. As Hendrik Hertzberg pointed out in the New Yorker in August, the conservative Web site NewsMax.com takes pains to scrub Associated Press copy “to de-‘ic’ references” to the party.

For all their talk about English as the official national language, Republicans take pains to mar our grammatical rules, intentionally, simply to be annoying. McCain “tries” to get right, he says, but he just can’t quite get it down.

Indeed, his vow to use the grammar that makes Dems “feel better” didn’t last long.

Later on that same ride, he was talking about his annoyance that Democrats take credit for the improving situation in Iraq. “To say, as Sen. Obama has said, that it’s because of the Democrat majority that we have experienced success in Iraq, that’s just beyond comprehension.”

So is John McCain’s use of the language sometimes.

You’re asking a Republican to think?

About grammar?

When there are plots against our homeland to thwart?

Oh, no, they are too busy.

  • The other thing they’re doing with this “ic” stupidity is to forge a connection with the simpler folks who dislike people who can tell an adjective from a noun. Those people love it when poiticians speak their language, and because these simple folk are typically the easiest ones to manipulate, the Republicans tend to focus on them (and do quite well). This confounds a lot of progressives, who cannot understand the dynamic at work and/or will not say what they clearly see because it’s not PC.

  • Why does anyone care?

    A Republican belongs to the Republican party. Why can’t a Democrat belong to the Democrat party? (I know it’s wrong, but at least it would be consistent with Republican. This is really a pointy-headed issue as I can’t see any offense.

  • The tacit admission of St. McCain’s campaign that he needs to keep hitting this talk-radio hot button is most reassuring — it suggests that he’s still desperate to appeal to his Party’s base, never mind the swing voters.

  • Dude, relax, McCain agreed to use “Democratic” in the future. I don’t particularly care why. You’re just being a grammar NAZI.

    Speaking of which I don’t see why having a noun in front of “party” makes it grammatically incorrect. Is “Birthday Party” wrong?

  • Why can’t a Democrat belong to the Democrat party?

    For the same reason we don’t live in the United States of American.

  • CB: “For all their talk about English as the official national language, Republicans take pains to intentionally mar our grammatical rules simply to be annoying.” Perfectly said. It’s frustrating to me that the Rs are not called by anyone on their incorrect grammar.

    Would it work if [sic] was added after each incorrect usage of “Democrat” as a adjective when quotes are printed? If people continually see that in print, they might think, oooh, something’s wrong there. Or am I on the wrong track?

  • Aside from whether it is grammatically correct or not, it all boils down to respect, or lack thereof. Period.

  • Why can’t a Democrat belong to the Democrat party?

    For the same reason we don’t live in the United States of American.

    Or speak the England language.

  • For those who don’t know, the GOP did a study which found that ‘Democrat Party’ polled marginally worse than ‘Democratic Party’. Then they all mysteriously decided to start saying ‘Democrat Party’. Because they are wankers I guess.

  • Neocon Republics started doing it because they knew how irritating it is. McCain does it because he’s a doddering old fool whose short-term memory loss is starting to become really apparent.

  • Please, let’s stop with the insults about people’s intelligence based on perceived political affiliation. (Comment #4) Shouldn’t the Democratic party being forging alliances with the “simpler” folk? Isn’t being a champion for the “simpler folk” the whole reason for the Democratic party? And if the “simpler folk” aren’t bonding with Democrats, then maybe they are being driven away by snobbish remarks and accusations of being too dumb not to be manipulated..

  • Tamalak:

    Dude, relax, McCain agreed to use “Democratic” in the future.

    What part of:

    Indeed, his vow to use the grammar that makes Dems “feel better” didn’t last long. Later on that same ride, … “Democrat majority”

    did you not understand?

    This “agreement” from Saint McCain is worth as much as his contractual agreement with the FEC to abide by campaign spending caps in the primaries. I.e. not much as far as McCain is concerned.

  • I we (Democrats) are smart, we’ll grab hold if this ostensible slight, embrace it, and shove it down the throats of the Republicans. How about an ad that uses it as a refrain: “Which party is committed to the economic security of every American? The DEMOCRAT Party. Which party has a plan to disengage America from 100 years or more of war? The DEMOCRAT Party. Which party… etc.” Then, a quick succession of faces across the screen: “I’m a DEMOCRAT,” “I am a DEMOCRAT… etc.”

    The reason Republicans do things like this is that we Democrats have an unfortunate tendency to whine and let it get under our skin. Let’s run with it and make every last Republican sorry that he or she ever participated in something so petty and juvenile.

    Just my $.02.

  • Steve, surely the grammar of it is beside the point. It’s simply wrong. ‘Democrat Party’ is not the name of the party. To repeatedly call a group by something other than what it calls itself is to insult its members. Which is, of course, the point.

  • 5. On February 29th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, Tom Bisson said:

    Why does anyone care?

    Um, because it’s done intentionally to offend? I can’t imagine why DemocRATS would be offended by that sort of thing at all. Why do they have such thin skins, after their name has been purposefully distorted for over twenty years?

    A Republican belongs to the Republican party. Why can’t a Democrat belong to the Democrat party? (I know it’s wrong, but at least it would be consistent with Republican. This is really a pointy-headed issue as I can’t see any offense.

    I’m sure the Repubolican’ts would agree with you – they do seem to be quite sensitive about it when their party name gets deliberately mangled, though. I get a ton of nasty looks when I use Republican’t right after they use Democrat inappropriately. Funny, that…

    But I suppose you wouldn’t mind it if people started calling you Tomb Buffalo. After all, it’s wrong – but it’s consistent in its wrongness. Almost as consistent as a Republican’t referring to Barack HUSSEIN!!!!!1!1! Obama, one might say…

  • Here is why I think it is foolish and destructive for Democrats to get annoyed by the use or lack of use of “ic” on the word Democrat. English does not use a logical or consistent grammar. (For an entertaining proof of this statement, plese read Bill Bryson’s “The Mother Tongue: English and How It Got That Way.) Grammar (and spellings) are more often determined by usage and usage is often determined by class. If the common vernacular is Democrat Party, so what. Democrats should identify with the common person and thus the common expressions. If a Democrat is insulted by a common expression, then he or she feels a separate identity from the common man. That is not good.

  • English does not use a logical or consistent grammar. -Tom Bisson

    Ultimately it doesn’t matter. As Ryan pointed out in comment 21, it’s a proper name, and intentionally using the misnomer is done to offend.

    Wouldn’t you get mad if people consistently referred to you as Tom Biss? Wouldn’t you at least point out that’s not what your name is?

    It’s not about ‘common’ language, it’s about respect.

  • I don’t really think this is a big deal. In fact, I think that Democrats should start dropping letters too. At minimum, embracing the incorrect usage of “Democrat” party will rob it of it’s (intended) demeaning value.

    Here’s a suggestion of how Democrats might drop a few letters for maximum effect:

    “As Democrats we are proud of the fact that John Cain has frequently considered joining the Democrat party.”

    Notice how you don’t even need the “ic” or even the “Mc”? They’re just superfluous.

  • tamalak @ #7

    because when you say birthday party, “birthday” is being used as an adjective to modify “party,” that’s why.

  • Womb Baby, you miss the point completely.

    It’s not that using the Democrat Party is merely incorrect. It’s done deliberately to offend.

    If the deliberately offensive usage is the common one, it’s because the Republican’ts have been improperly and insultingly using it incorrectly for over twenty years. Is it okay to let them get away with putting a deliberate slur into common usage? I personally do not agree with this and think it’s about time Democratic leaning citizens gave Republican’ts a consistently mangled version of their name in return.

    I can’t imagine why someone would get upset if others consistently and deliberately misused their name. Can you, Womb Baby? They must be whiny liberals or something…

  • Look, there is one and only one reason why the ‘Republans’ use “Democrat” instead of the grammatically correct “Democratic”, Because they are convinced that using ‘Democratic’ makes us sound DEMOCRATIC, it has a positive connotation, it sits well with people, and is a more descriptive word that implies fairness, justice and, for God’s sake, “democracy”. They know from polling, (wh/ the PretzleDunce states he doesn’t believe in or care about) that people respond emotionally more favorably to the descriptive form of the word (the adjective), than they do to the noun form. Therefore, the republans only use the noun as a subtle form of manipulation of the people, wh/ of course, is their specialty. However subtle, if you can manipulate the people’s emotional response, and their subsequent cognitive reaction to whatever the GOP (Greedy, Oil-soaked, Power mongers) message is, then you are in a better position to ‘catapult the propaganda’. The problem for them is that people are on to them, and people don’t like being used and manipulated. For McCain to say he doesn’t know what’s wrong with what he is saying, but will change it to make the Dems ‘feel better’, is a lie. And people don’t like being lied to either. Give us some credit. We are all catching on.

  • Wow, it must be a slow news day for this top”IC” got a post… or you ran out of real topics to beat McCain up on

  • Wow, it must be a slow news day for this top”IC” to get a post… or you ran out of real topics to beat McCain up on

  • I’ve started calling the Republican Party the “Republic Party” when I talk to my right-wing acquaintances. Of course, that’s when I’m trying to be gracious. If I’m really in a bad mood, I refer to them as the Repugs, or the Rethugs…

  • Of all the party names or political movements I can think of, the “ic” construction only applies to Democrat/Democratic. All other names do not use this common construction.
    Member Name – Party Name
    Republican-Republican
    Communist-Communist
    Federalist-Federalist
    Whig-Whig
    Progessive-Progressive
    Libertarian-Libertarian
    Populist-Populist

    So if someone uses this construction regarding Democrats, then it’s understandable. There are regional differences in pronounciation. For example, Vermonters tend to say “Or-re-gone” while people there tend to say Or-re-gun. We tend to say New Or-leeens, rather than New Or-lens. We have a town spelled Calais but it’s pronounced “callous.” I guess some of the commentators would call Vermonters offensive simpletons that willingly butcher a beautiful French proper noun. But if a politican pronounced the town “Calay” he would lose a lot of votes.

    By the way, people’s name pronounciations often change. For example, my name rhymes with “listen,” but two generations ago the accent was on the second syllable and the “oh” was long. Paul Lacroix pronounces his last name la-cross even though when he visits relatives in Quebec he says “La-kwa” (approximately).

    So I think it’s important to recognize common usage as a sign of respect.

  • Though it pains me to say so (no, not really), I tend to agree with Tom…in the grand scheme of things, this is an issue of no consequence…

    …except…there’s a ‘death by 1000 cuts’ component.

    A lot of us who grew up with foreign-sounding names spent a lot of time hearing our names deliberately mangled. The first few times, no big deal. After a long time, when those whose respect we desire are clearly attempting to insult or demean (yes, sometimes there were also sticks & stones), these tiny ‘cuts’ to the ego take a toll. Eventually, the visceral response takes over, and communication is impossible because emotion is in control. Reason doesn’t just take a back seat, it’s gagged and thrown in the trunk.

    Here I go again: This is a time when we need to reach out to those who have seen the error of their past 2 election cycles. They exist. An acquaintance of mine who voted for Bush twice before is working for Obama 12 hours a day in Ohio right now in an effort to expiate those sins.

    If we’re spending our time finding ways to insultingly riff on each other’s names, we’re not listening to each other; we’re acting like children on a playground. The stakes are too high. Too much blood has been shed. Someone has to act like a grownup first.

    The next time you’re tempted to add “n’t” to Republican or sneer your way through ‘Repugnican’, consider the impact that it might have on someone who has doubts about their party allegiance. If they’re looking for someone who, rather than mocking them, will extend a hand, that might translate into a vote in November. Are votes worth a little civility?

    I get castigated for this on a daily basis. I’m told in no uncertain terms that it is completely impossible to negotiate with ‘those morons,’ and that it’s stupid to try.
    It’s not true. Choose to make it not true.

    Trade clever for smart.

    Love to all,
    Polyanna

  • I don’t think it’s about insulting Democrats. It’s about retaining control of the adjective “democractic” in the sense of “democratically elected.” It doesn’t look good for Republicans to oppose Democratic principles, Democratic policies or a Democratic Congress because in normal speech you can’t hear the proper noun; it sounds like they’re opposing democratic principles, democratic policies and a democratic congress. Who wants to be on record opposing democracy? I thought they were in favor of democratic elections?

    By splitting the Democratic party from the adjective “democratic,” Republicans retain the ability to use democracy as a rallying cry without supporting the opposition.

  • I think we should just start using Publicans. It has the added advantage of having negative connotations with the right-wing theocrats… and ends up just perfectly.

    From wikipedia..

    In antiquity, publicans (Latin publicanus) were public contractors, in which role they often supplied the Roman military, managed the collection of port duties, and oversaw public building projects. In addition, they served as tax collectors for the Republic (and later the Empire), bidding on contracts (from the Senate in Rome) for the collection of various types of taxes. Importantly, this role as tax collectors was not emphasized until late into the history of the Republic (c. 1st century BC). The publicans were usually of the class of equites, or capitalists.

    At the height of the Republic’s era of provincial expansion (roughly the first and second centuries BC until the end of the Republic) the Roman tax farming system was very profitable for the publicani. The right to collect taxes for a particular region would be auctioned every few years for a value that (in theory) approximated the tax available for collection in that region. The payment to Rome was treated as a loan and the publicani would receive interest on their payment at the end of the collection period. In addition, any excess (over their bid) tax collected would be pure profit for the publicani. The principal risk to the publicani was that the tax collected would be less than the sum bid.

    By New Testament times, publicans were seen chiefly as tax collectors by provincial peoples. It is in this sense that the term is used in Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. However, their role as public contractors, especially as regards building projects, was still significant.

    With the rise of a much larger Imperial bureaucracy, this task of the publicans, as well as their overall importance, declined precipitously. Evidence for the existence of publicans extends as far back as the 3rd century BC, although it is generally assumed that they existed at still earlier times in Roman history. Knowledge of a tentative terminus post quem is taken from the histories of the 1st century AD Imperial historian Livy.

    By the time of the Renaissance, the word “publican” meant a tavernkeeper (the licensed landlord of a public house), and by extension a slang term for a pimp.

  • Ungrammatical “Democrat party” is GOP, esp. GWB, code for “I’m a regular guy you can drink beer with”–no latte here.

  • Of course, if any Repubs had any fun at all about them, when they say Democrat and the question is asked “what about the ‘ic’?” would respond:

    “yeah, I know they are supposed to go together. So from now on, I’ll be sure to say ‘ic! Democrat!'”

    (which is to say we have to be a little careful how we push this; it could get worse.)

  • Tom Biss,

    Wow you wrote a lot of words, none of which change the fact that it’s a proper name.

  • McCain can fix this problem by choosing Rudy as his running mate. All speeches can then be reduced to, “9/11, my friends. 9/11, my friends. 9/11, my friends.

  • oh, jrs jr. i don’t think we’ll EVER run out of things over which to beat up m”ic”cain.

  • I suppose Democrat and bureaucrat end in “crat” and they think there will be some subliminal connection?

    Democratic government is a seen as a good thing where the Republic of China, not so much.

    The same rationale, I suppose that made the Maryland general assembly label all Independent candidates as “Unaffiliated”

    They didn’t like that Independent sounded so much better than either party.
    It would have been so much harder to make their “brand” worth supporting. Better to tear down the upstarts.

    It’s thoroughly weak and it should be addressed with disdain:
    “If you WANT to sound ignorant, hey go for it… but if you want to sound as though you know jack spit about politics…for your future reference… it’s DemocratIC. It makes you sound dumb as a rock when you get a bit of common knowledge wrong. It’s up there with “Nucular.” Just trying to help.”

  • You may find “Dems” inoffensive, I do not. It may not seem so much a problem in print, but when spoken aloud it conveys, at least to my mayhap untutored ear, the word dim. I’m of a mind that members of Republican party smile whenever they hear it. Admittedly, some might avow that the problem is little more than a 21st century inclination to save on space and breath. If such is that case then more’s the pity.

  • My last comment (seriously) on this matter. I never heard the term Democrat as offensive, I thought it was colloquial. However, I recently read an article in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/07/060807ta_talk_hertzberg) that provides a history of this term. I learned that it is not the result of inevitable and normal changes in language usage, but rather a deliberate attempt to slur. In that case, I agree with those who push back against its use.

  • My recollection is that the Republic Party began doing this back in the Reagan Administration because they wanted to emphasize that the “Democrat” Party was not democratic. It was a deliberate policy, and adopted particularly by Newt’s boys.

  • If their misuse of the word didn’t come with a subliminal message on their ads like “RATS” flashing on the screen, I wouldn’t distrust their intentions…

  • I just wish someone would say to Bush and McCain “It isn’t so much that saying ‘Democrat’ instead of ‘Democratic’ is offensive as that it makes you sound like an uneducated hick”. Of course, if being thought of as an uneducated hick is what they are going for, then more power to them. We should just point it out to them as often as possible.

  • I’ve always assumed that the “Democrat” party isn’t just intended to annoy, but rather is a deliberate slur. The implication is that Democrats aren’t “democratic.” This fits with many other right-wing slurs, the most recent (and possibly most egregious) being Goldberg’s “liberal fascism.”

  • It’s a Democrat-TIC!

    >Aside from whether it is grammatically correct or not, it all boils down to respect, or lack thereof. Period.

    Amen, Joanne, Plenty of grammatical blunders can be tolerated, or objected to only as a “mucker pose.” But “Democrat” as an adjective is offensive, as “Jew” as an adjective is offensive (except when Carl Sandburg used in in “Fish Crier”). I’m sure it arose for exactly the reason Final Notice gave. But now it’s become a shibboleth for Republicans in good standing. It’s part of their PC, like a flag lapel pin. Even Christie Whitman used it when she was on Fresh Air–I wish Terry Gross had asked her why.

    McCain compounded the offense with his pseudo-apology. Yeah, right. Democrats are a bunch of spoiled babies who must be placated. But this way he signaled to his base that he wasn’t caving in. I once read about the time an urban gang member appeared on a TV talk show; he acted swinish–I don’t remember how–and the host demanded he apologize. At first the gang member resisted. He knew his homies were watching and he’d be dead meat if he humbled himself. Finally, he said, “I’m sorry”; then he immediately turned to the camera and yelled, “NOW ARE YOU HAPPY?”

    That’s what McCain did.

    Tom, where do they call it New Or-LEENS? I usually hear it as New OR-lins.

  • You know, when my child was mad at me she’d call me “stupidhead.”

    It was a slightly more effective method of conveying disrespect than my party being called “Democrat”

    You’ve GOT to consider the source before you decide whether to give a flying rat’s patoot.

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