McCain’s televangelist ally believes God damns America

Since Democrats began complaining about (and the media kept ignoring) the controversial relationship between John McCain and radical televangelist John Hagee, the Texas megachurch pastor has kept a fairly low profile. It’s hardly surprising — McCain probably encouraged him to avoid major media attention, and Hagee, anxious to help his political ally, obliged.

In fact, a month ago today, the New York Times ran an edited interview with Hagee, in which the Times’ Deborah Solomon asked, “Let’s talk about your much-quoted comment that Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for a gay rights parade in New Orleans.” Hagee responded, “We’re not going down there.” He called the subject “off-base.”

Now, however, Hagee is willing to go down there.

On September 18, 2006, Pastor John Hagee — whose endorsement Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said this past Sunday he was “glad to have” — told NPR’s Terry Gross that “Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” “New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God,” Hagee said, because “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”

On his radio show yesterday, right-wing talker Dennis Prager asked Hagee to respond to “the various charges made against him” in a fact sheet put out by the Democratic National Committee. Asked about his comments on Hurricane Katrina, Hagee said “the topic of that day was cursing and blessing.”

Hagee told Prager, “What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.” When Prager sought to clarify if Hagee believes “God’s hand” was responsible for Katrina “because of a sinful city,” Hagee responded, “That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.”

Obviously, Hagee is entitled to his religious beliefs, but I suspect the notion that a deadly, devastating hurricane was the result of divine intervention and God’s “judgment” is the kind of thing most Americans would find kind of nutty.

Is McCain prepared to comment on this?

Indeed, Atrios makes a great point: “God Damns America … and it’s okay as long as conservatives think so.”

The reference, obviously, is to the uproar surrounding Jeremiah Wright’s “God damn America” sermon. But the comparison is quite apt — Hagee believes that God, quite literally, damned America, and sent a hurricane to destroy a city. How is this different from Wright’s sermon? It isn’t.

Wright is a retired pastor; Hagee is an active one. Wright is black, Hagee is white. Wright is liberal; Hagee is conservative. Wright was Obama’s pastor; Hagee was sought out by McCain for support, and campaigned alongside him. Obama became the subject of a media frenzy because of Wright’s remarks; McCain was given a pass by the political media over Hagee’s remarks.

It’s part of a discouraging pattern. A few months ago, several Republican presidential candidates appeared in Florida for a “Values Voter” debate focused on the concerns of the religious right movement. Before the debate began, organizers invited a church choir to sing a rendition of “God Bless America,” but in this case, the lyrics were rewritten. Instead of a song about “the land that I love,” and “home sweet home,” this version condemned the United States. The song received an enthusiastic and positive response from the conservative Republicans on hand for the event, including the candidates (McCain wasn’t in attendance).

I wrote at the time: “I know it gets tiresome to hear ‘if this were a Democrat…’ but in this case, I think it’s particularly appropriate. I’m trying to imagine the response if a number of progressive activists groups got together to host a presidential candidate forum, and to kick things off, they sang a rewritten version of ‘God Bless America’ that disparaged the United States and reprimanded the American people.”

Not a single Republican denounced this — and not a single Republican was asked by a reporter if they would.

Do you ever get the sense there’s a double standard here?

You’d think if Katrinia was the hand of God he’d have been more careful with Mississippi and Alabama, which were also ‘cursed’.

I mean, isn’t destroying Trent Lott’s house going a little too far?

  • Why do you expect Republicans and Christians to be consistent?

    How can you interpret Matheww 25:34-46?

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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    Or is against the rules to point out that you can’t be a Christian and a Republican at the same time???

  • The reference, obviously, is to the uproar surrounding Jeremiah Wright’s “God damn America” sermon. But the comparison is quite apt — Hagee believes that God, quite literally, damned America, and sent a hurricane to destroy a city. How is this different from Wright’s sermon? It isn’t.

    Is, too.

    Wright was calling upon God to damn America. Hagee is only reporting, in a fair and unbiased way, what God did, namely to damn America.

    Hang on a second! Wright called upon God to damn America. And then God did. It’s Wright who’s responsible for Katrina, isn’t he?

  • There is a between Hagee and Wright… if you read Wright in context. Hagee damns a city for allowing gays to express themselves (claiming their gay-ness is a sin even thought that’s the way God made them) while Wright damns America for enslaving and mistreating its minorities/citizens.

    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-wright%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cgod-damn-america%e2%80%9d-sermon/?s-%20?god-damn-america%20?-sermon/

    A portion of Wright (but go and read the whole thing at the like above):
    “And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent, she failed. She put them on reservations.”

    “When it came to putting her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in interment prison camps.”

    “When it came to putting the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters. Put them on auction blocks. Put them in cotton fields. Put them in inferior schools. Put them in substandard housing. Put them scientific experiments. Put them in the lower paying jobs. Put them outside the equal protection of the law. Kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”

    “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. Naw, naw, naw. Not God Bless America. God Damn America! That’s in the Bible. For killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating us citizens as less than human. God Damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is Supreme.”

  • Ah, these freakin’ preachers. Here is something I wrote on Slate online forum a few years back during some sort of discussion about God punishing us humans:

    Missing in all the discussions regarding God and the recent slate of catastrophic climactic events (tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) is the simple fact that God has nothing to do with them.

    I mean, really – why would The Creator, the all knowing, omniscient and omnipotent intelligence that is responsible for the universe and everything within, from the most minute subatomic particle, to the intricacies of the human brain, be concerned with the trials and tribulations of the human race, which occupies the bottom rung of intelligent existence?

    It is a testament of humanity’s arrogance and false sense of importance to think that such an incredible being would be so integral in the day to day lives and events that effect us all here on this earth… one planet in billions upon billions in the universe that no doubt harbor life forms more developed than us.

    We, as a collective human race, must finally understand that it is WE that control our destiny. Not God, or Allah, or Jehovah, or Buddha, or Shiva, or any other figure that religions have created. The Creator is a being that does not fit into any category, he can’t be defined; his actions and motives can and will never be known.

    The Creator has enabled us via thought and intelligence to create our own destiny, to be proper stewards of the planet, to strive to be the best we can be, so our souls can make the next step in the hierarchy of intelligent life after we leave our mortal bodies here on earth.

    We as humans make the bed we have to sleep in, and ultimately are responsible for any and all events that affect us and our planet.

    By blindly accepting as fate the events (good and bad) that affect our lives, we are in essence relinquishing the ability to transform our reality; to institute the changes necessary to rectify wrongs, and take pre-emptive actions to ensure the perpetuation of our race.

  • We already know the media won’t touch it, they want to go to McSame’s next cookout

  • When will the hypocracy of the current political system drive enough Americans over the edge to force meaningful change? Never.

    America is asleep with its eyes open. And awake with them shut. Nothing’s going to change here, people.

  • The crucial difference that the bloggers are overlooking is that Wright’s “God damn America” refers to the future, whereas Hagee’s “God damns America” is simply a statement of fact rather than calling on God to do so.

  • I mean, isn’t destroying Trent Lott’s house going a little too far? That’s what made me think it was god, it’s to bad he had to destory everything else to get to Lott.

  • God doesn’t damn people to horrific deaths Adam, what Hagee said was worse than Wright, he stated that the death of people was an act of God, sorry, doesn’t work that way.

  • axt113
    Well, isn’t Hagee’s remark less offensive because God did, in fact, drown New Orleans because of their homosexual agenda? But Wright said God should damn America because of how we treat minorities. That’s just silly.

  • Every interview with a christian holyman should begin with the question, ‘Do you believe every word in the bible is literally true?’ If the answer is yes, there is a virtually infinite number of gotcha followup questions to ask. If the answer is no, ask for a specific answer as to who decides what parts are literal. If they won’t answer, ask ‘what are you afraid of?’ Divide and conquer. It’s bad enough these conmen dont have to pay taxes; they dont deserve kid glove treatment.

  • Since blacks say “nigger” all the time, why is it so bad for a white conservative?

    If you can answer this, then maybe you’ll be smart enough to figure out the answer to your original question. I doubt if you’re that smart.

  • Wasn’t there a Lott in the bible? Something to do with a pillar of salt? Maybe Katrina had something to do with applying saltwater to Lott’s house, or his wife, or something. Somebody should look into this.

  • I would argue that condemning gays isn’t a big deal, but condemning white people for their role in oppressing black people is off limits. In case the evangelical memo didn’t make it to your inbox, “god hates homosexuals and few care if his messengers denegrate them”.

    The models are the same, but the message isn’t. The argument is really getting old because the liberals are acting like it is the same and it not, not even close. A white TV preacher screaming about gays is common, a presidential hopeful’s black preacher claiming god condemning of white people is going to get a few more notices.

    And then… who in the media is seriously going to argue against the white man. You know the media owned by whites, run by whites, and almost entirely brought to you by whites. Ya, they will get ‘wright’ on it.

    Get over it Bill Clinton, you are only reminding the audience of points the campaign is wanting to leave in the past.

    Next.

  • “Well, isn’t Hagee’s remark less offensive because God did, in fact, drown New Orleans because of their homosexual agenda?” -Adam

    Wasn’t the stereotypically gay quarter of New Orleans spared from Katrina’s devastation?

  • Citizen_Pain @#6 – To which I’d add…

    If The Creator (God in this example) “always was and always will be”, then why is he confined to OUR 24 hour day? If he has been around since the very beginning, wouldn’t one of our days be less than a blink of the eye to him (or her)? What are we to make of a Creator who would destroy a city, and the lives of so many people in less than the blink of an eye?

  • I was speaking with a couple of Americans on a recent business trip to IL & WI, and they were going on and on about how corrupt Obama is and what you have to do to be successful in Chicago. Then they started talking about all his associations (oft mentioned and discredited here) such as Rezko and Farrakhan and Ayers, and all of the other problems that make Obama “so un-electable.” Oh, I should mention here that both are highly-intelligent people I have known for a couple years, successful and respected by me, and that both rely on Fox News, and to a lesser extent, talk radio (hate Limbaugh, like Genn Beck).

    So I ask, “What about that preacher guy, I think his name is Hagee?” They say, oh, no, Wright, yeah, he’s a nutcase, I can’t believe Obama went to that church…” I cut in, no, no, not Wright, some white guy, a Baptist or something, name Hagee… said a whole lot of terrible things about Catholics.” Blank stares. Nope, never heard of him. But, and I kid you not, they start talking about “oh my god, how elite Obama is.” I obviously stopped talking at this point, some ignorance is too thick to puncture.

    Honestly, this is what the nation, and arguably the rest of the world, is up against. Fox News, talk radio, the right-wing PR and smear machine (which now has an unwitting (?) ally in Clinton), etc., etc. define the issues in such a way that somebody who could do unbelievable good is seen as unelectable by the very same people who would benefit most from his (or her) presidency.

  • Right wing “Smear” machinces?
    Would that include MSNBC, Chris Matthews, Herr Olbermann, Jon Steward, George “Stephanopoulus, Tim Russert,Katie Couric, New York Times, Bill Maher, Randi Roades, Thom Hartmann, Alan Colmes, Air America, Huffington post, Media Matters..and many more liberal hacks that are clogging our TV’s and Air waves.

    Don’t pretend the left is not overly represented in the media.

  • I live in San Antonio and when looking for a church about 15 years ago, visited John Hagee’s church about half a dozen times. I really liked the Associate Pastor who did a really good job teaching the Bible, but John Hagee got rid of him. I think he was jealous. Anyway, on my last Sunday there Pastor Hagee said from the pulpit, “every democrat should be put on a bus and driven off a cliff” (to great applause). I got up and walked out and never went back.

    My point is, his church sells his sermons all the time. Surely someone from the left is buying them up and poring over them like the right is for Rev. Wright’s sermons, aren’t they??? Aren’t they???

  • ask for a specific answer as to who decides what parts are literal.

    their reply, “yes, yes, but it’s literal in snake handler babble.” (IOW, “I am god.”)

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