Meet the people who killed immigration reform

Guest Post by Morbo

So who are all of these people who got whipped up into a frenzy by talk radio over immigration reform and bombarded the Senate with messages, terrifying the members of that body into submission?

The Washington Post profiled some of them recently. Turns out they are (big surprise) xenophobes who cannot grasp that the ground beneath them is shifting in a seismic way. The story, datelined Gainesville, Ga., begins:

Stephanie Usrey strode up to her local Wal-Mart store the other morning with the steely look of a boxer about to step into the ring.

A stay-at-home mother of two, Usrey has dreaded shopping at this particular branch ever since a Friday afternoon about five years ago, when she said she suddenly noticed she was the only non-Latino customer.

“That was the first time I looked around and said, ‘Man, I didn’t realize how many Mexicans there were here,'” Usrey, 39, recalled. “And they don’t seem to feel any discomfort when they’re, like, six inches from your face and talking to each other in their language, either. I just felt very encroached upon. . . . It was like an instant feeling of ‘I’m in the minority, and if we don’t get control over this, pretty soon all of America will be outnumbered.'”

Another man complained that Latinos had moved into his neighborhood and turned it into “a slum.” One dared to jump into a community swimming pool wearing cut-off jeans.

I don’t know what’s worse – that people hold openly racist views like this or that they will tell them to a large-circulation newspaper with absolutely no shame.

So why are increasing numbers of Latinos living in Gainesville anyway? Here’s the rub: They came for jobs in some chicken-processing plants that the locals will not deign to work in. I’m sure the people of Gainesville like their chicken. Somebody has to prepare the birds for them.

Reading the story, I could not help but think it was 1955 all over again: Back then, the ruling white elite wanted Africans Americans around to do their manual labor, but they certainly did not want to have to live near them, send their children to schools with them or mix with them in public places.

But lest the Yankees get to feeling superior, I should note that The New York Times ran a very similar story on this topic just a few weeks ago, That paper profiled Latino-fearing families in Michigan put into a state of frenzy by toxic talk radio.

It’s not enough just to complain about these people and their hopelessly out-of-touch views and xenophobia. We need a solution, and I think I have it. Someone in Gainesville should invent a transporter, like they have on “Star Trek.” The Latinos could beam in every day and go about making life better for the whites in town by processing their chicken, cleaning their homes, mowing their lawns, tending to their children and maintaining their pools. At the end of the day, they could beam back to Mexico or whatever country they are from.

Either that or the people in Gainesville could just learn to live with the fact that the workers they have come to rely on perhaps aspire to something better than modern-day serfdom.

Yes, while we watched, the bigots have taken the helm, including the Supreme Court. With the re-segregation ruling the other day, 1955 may be here to stay! -Kevo

  • I suspect that the pay scale is a factor in this. If the chicken processing plants paid a living wage and had decent working conditions, there would be a line waiting for the jobs. Why do you suppose the Latinos shop at Wallmart? Cheap prices to go along with low wages. Gainesville BTW is not a rich town, not a Southern Beverly Hills/Brentwood. While I’m sure there are people there with manicured lawns and swimming pools, those folks are the exception.

    It’s easy to laugh at these fears. But what’s behind it? All the news reports talk about people being uneasy with the economy. Jobs, particularly manufacturing, that can be outsourced are. Those that can’t keep getting lower and lower pay. The fear of immigrants is based on racism, but it is also based on a fear of losing what little financial stability the lower 10% have. If the economy were growing, this would not be the big issue it is.

  • At the end of the day, they could beam back to Mexico or whatever country they are from.

    Christ on a crutch, but that’s offensive. How about “Middle and South America” or even “home”? And for the record, if you’ll read the bill you’ll see it was a pastiche of half-arsed solutions. Or you can just remember that this was one of BushBrat’s pet proejects, ergo it sucked.

    Those that can’t keep getting lower and lower pay. The fear of immigrants is based on racism, but it is also based on a fear of losing what little financial stability the lower 10% have.

    Sure, but why fear/hate the immigrants when they aren’t the ones outsourcing jobs or offering shit pay for shit jobs? These people either can’t or won’t see that the source of their suffering comes from the upper 1%. All illegal immigrants should get extra pay for protecting the 1% from the 10%.

    In any other country but America there would have been at least one revolution of poor vs. rich. Fortunately there have always been brown folks on which the the 1% could pin all of the problems. When one set of brown folks became less scary, another set of brown/different folks replaces them. (Prohibition, anyone?)

    But the result is the same: The majority (lower-mid, lower class) spend all of their time snarling at the different folks for “taking their jobs” so the rich folks avoid the fuss and bother of angry mobs.

  • I’ve got news for you. We’re about to hit that long-anticipated point when the post-WWII baby boomers start retiring and pretty soon it’s not going to be just chicken pluckers, roofers, gardeners and the people who change our linen and bed pans that we have to import. The highly-paid professionals and business people we need to keep our economy running and out social security system funded also have to come from somewhere. Within the next 5 years or so, we’re going to start losing as many as two of those people for every new one we produce domestically every year and that will go on for a decade or more.

    But as I’ve said before, I would really be amazed to see the immigration reform issue die right here. Not only is it the right thing to do and the smart thing to do, but it’s also a win-win/lose-win proposition for Democrats in congress and a lot of fun to watch Republicans eating their own in the bargain. It’s always a plus when the right thing to do is in line with one’s own selfish interests — it’s probably how most right things finally get done if you count them up — and I’ll be surprised if it does not come up at least one more time in the next year.

  • TAIO is right.

    The 1% are the real problem, but the lower 10% can’t seem to fucking get it.

    I share the glue sniffing, paint huffing same hobby as Tom Cleaver (yeah, guilty) and I go to a forum on my favorite, but avoid the political comments because I’d go insane. The slower RWers wrapped their heads around the fact that Bush’s base doesn’t care about them but yet they will defend them with all their might.

  • ILLEGAL ALIENS AND MUSLIM TERRORISTS SEEM TO BE TWO DISPARATE PROBLEMS, BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE LINKED BY THE HARM AND DESTRUCTION THAT THEY WILL BOTH BRING NOT ONLY TO OUR COUNTRY BUT TO THE FREE WORLD IN GENERAL. THE UNITED STATES IS THE ENGINE THAT DRIVES THIS WORLD AND IF WE START TO SUFFER THE WORLD WILL SUFFER.

    WHY AM I SO AGAINST ILLEGAL ALIENS? IT’S NOT JUST THEIR ILLEGALITY BUT IT ALSO WHO THESE ILLEGALS ARE, THEY’RE MOSTLY UNEDUCATED CAMPESINOS WITH STRONG BACKS AND IGNORANT MINDS. THEY ADD NOTHING TO OUR COUNTRY OTHER THEN MANUAL LABOR AND USE UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THEIR MISUSE OF ALL OUR SOCIAL SERVICES. THEY WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS DESIRE JUST BY BEING WHAT THEY ARE, A DRAIN ON OUR ECONOMY.

  • Since the MSM has never been known to mislead to support their agenda, I’m sure the poster isn’t just being gullible by taking the WaPo at face value.

    However, I seem to recall Americans taking jobs at a plant in StillmoreGeorgia after a raid… and at a higher rate,

    Despite that, I’m sure the poster isn’t a WSJ-style cheap labor hack.

  • CLOSE OUR BORDER WITH MEXICO AND SEE HOW QUICKLY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT COMES GALLOPING TO THE BORDER WITH ARMY AND POLICE TO STOP THE ILLEGALS.

  • “CLOSE OUR BORDER WITH MEXICO AND SEE HOW QUICKLY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT COMES GALLOPING TO THE BORDER WITH ARMY AND POLICE TO STOP THE ILLEGALS.”

    Hmmm. Well now there’s one I haven’t heard before. I’d really love to hear your reasoning on exactly how and why you think that would be the case, Alan. But take my advice and undo your Caps Lock key if you want anyone to think you’re anything but a completely loonie — irrespective of how crazy your actual ideas may be.

  • Thank you, J Flowers, for calling out Morbo on regurgitating the absurd myth that “ordinary Americans” would not stoop to work in a chicken processing plant or other hard, dirty, low-paying jobs. Unfortunately, the answer is not simply to have a growing economy but rather to have robust labor laws and enforcement that establish fair wages, job safety, and worker rights (a little workplace democracy wouldn’t be a bad thing either). Of course, such laws would have to work in tandem with far-sighted fair trade policies geared improved working conditions on a global scale. This is why Democrats, generally speaking, are a long way from progressive. When the American economy is up, you won’t hear many mainstream Democrats agitating for fair trade.

  • How does my use of caps make my thoughts crazy or not worth considering? I will abide by your request so that we can carry on a dialogue without any extraneous interference although to be considered loonie by a left winger is a badge of honor for me. Mexico’s economy is tied to ours and without trade with the USA they would be in deep financial trouble. Yes, our economy will also suffer but in no way as much as Mexico’s would. Are you aware that all Mexican gasoline is refined in the USA using Mexican oil? Mexico is using our country as a dumping ground for their unemployable and is benefiting from the billions of dollars that are sent by the illegals to their families in Mexico.

  • TAiO, @3

    It’s the old, old, “divide and conquer” principle, that keeps the 1% safe in their beds. People like to feel superiour and the 1percenters, via means of communication (TV, radio, sleaze-magazines) provide them with reasons to feel that way. I’m white, you’re not. My God is mightier than your God. My trailer is better than your trailer. Etc.

  • Perhaps the chicken factory should move south of the border.

    I do have some sympathy for the language thing, though. I find it reasonable to ask that people who move into an area that has one language should learn that language and try to speak it in public.

    I did not care to see signs in the subway cars in NYC that told me in Spanish how to safely exit in an emergency, yet failed to provide the same information in English.

    I don’t think the answer to this is to cry “racism” every time someone brings up a complaint, but to figure out if the actual complaint can be addressed. Nobody said they had a problem with the way these people looked. If the people of Mexican heritage had all been speaking in English and if the man had been wearing swim trunks, presumably the problem would be fixed. So why don’t we try to work on these actual specific problems some people have that could be resolved easily enough, with compromise, instead of insisting on a confrontational approach where both sides in the immigration debate are locked into a perpetual struggle, and thus losers?

  • I see the entire debacle as another Bush attempt to give his rich corporate friends cheaper labor before he leaves office. If I have anything to say, his ass will be impeached, along with Cheney and Gonzales. I am hardly a Xneophobe, but I am sick of corporate interests running this country into the ground.

    I worked many years in hiring and recruiting. Thanks to the corporate powers that be, the buying power of the average wage has dropped almost 40% since 2000. Medical benefits have soared in price, and dropped in performance. I can’t begin to list all the people I know who have lost their pensions in the last 6+ years due to corporate “bankrupcy” and restructuring. Their wages and pensions are dropped, but CEO’s now make multiple millions!

    One of the factors in this bill that Congress didn’t even try to read was the doubling of H1B visas…again…to 165,000 a year. This is on top of many other kinds of visas corporations use to import cheaper labor at the expense of American workers. There are 8 other types of visas used by corporations to cut back on american workers and use foreign labor. 75% of those h1B visas are now used for low-level jobs, not specialists unavailable in America, as the original plan intended.

    I am sick of the incompentence and greed of the jerks running DC. As far as I am concerned, anything they try to push through at the expense of American jobs and wages should be stopped. I also think they all ought to be fired. They have forgotten who they are supposed to work for…us.

  • Hey Alan,

    Are you aware that there are other suppliers in the world for everything Mexico buys from us? You want to give up that market with the US manufacturing sector already on the ropes and being auctioned off another piece at a time to the Chinese with each passing day? That, BTW is the larger reason the supply of good-paying jobs not requiring a college diploma is drying up. That and the decline of labor unions.

    Then there’s the other side of the equation. So no more vacations in Cancun or Acapulco. No more margaritas or cold Coronas with the little piece of lime in the neck, no more Mexican-grown out of season fruits and vegetables and no more cheap-Mexican-labor assembled parts for your SUV. And did you know we buy petroleum from Mexico to make gasoline for ourselves — about 15% of our total consumption in fact, what with Mexico being the world’s 5th largest producer and all. China and India would be more than happy pick up that slack if we didn’t take it, so where are we going to make that up? Are you going to buy a smaller car? It’ll have to be Japanese I’m afraid, because any American car made without parts produced in Mexico is going to be missing a few key parts, like the engine.

    But OK, let’s say we do it. Now where exactly is the Mexican government going to get all those extra troops and police you think they would suddenly deploy along the border? How are they going to pay them? Remember we just wrecked their economy by closing our borders to legal traffic. They can’t exactly borrow their way out of trouble by mortgaging their children’s future off to China, the way we do to pay for our wars and tax cuts. Mexico was on the verge of open rebellion after the last presidential election. If their economy got much worse I’m afraid they’re going to need all the police and troops they can scrape together just to try and keep order. Also a whole lot of people who are scraping by in Mexico now would find themselves with no other option than to try and come north to look for work. North means here.

    So bad idea. What else you got?

    Oh, and about the TYPING IN ALL CAPS thing. On the Internet that’s considered “SHOUTING.” So what do you think when you’re walking down the street and you hear someone shouting everything they say at the top of their lungs? You think maybe you’d better just go ahead and walk on the other side of the street. That’s what you think. All cap’s is also a lot harder to read than upper and lower case, so it further lessens the likelihood that anyone will read anything you have to say.

  • Hey Marilyn,

    Six months ago I needed to hire a programmer. I ran listings on Dice and Monster and in the local papers. I got probably 40 resumes that winnowed down to a 4 or 5 decent candidates, of whom I was able to interview 3 and hire 1. Frankly we’re not the best paying employer out there but we have a great team and cool projects and people like working in our group. So I usually do OK.

    Then a month ago I needed to hire another one. This time I even had more money to spend, pretty much market rate for a change. So I ran listings again in all the same places and this time got maybe 4 or 5 resumes with 0 good candidates. Thankfully, someone I had talked to before saw the listing and was still interested. With a higher budget this time I was able to hire him away from the other job he had taken in the mean time.

    But the whole thing really had me scratching my head and wondering where the next guy I need to hire was going to come from. I went looking for possible explanations as to how exactly the well ran dry. I’m still looking in fact but so the most useful piece of info I’ve come across was this. If you’re in the biz you might want to give it a read. I’m not saying that there’s no such thing as visa abuse, but you also wouldn’t want to wake up one day and find yourself still fighting the last war.

    http://www.adlerconcepts.com/resources/column/newsletter/in_the_war_for_talent_the_bigg.php

  • funny how idiots like alan sherman give us their all caps opinions, reminds me of somebody unashamedly screaming six inches from your face in a language that anyone can identify as offensive. funny how racists always have those little qualifiers to try to show they are not really racists, just concerned for us. the lady in walmart now knows how europeans feel with nose picking american tourists talking about them as if they aren’t there, because no foreigners can understand english. if she learned spanish she might find out why people are not ashamed to speak it. but it would probably pain her to find they really weren’t talking about her ass after all…

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