Military families have little use for Bush, Iraq policy — redux

A few weeks ago, at a debate for Republican presidential candidates, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) made the ridiculous claim that U.S. troops and their families are, by their very nature, conservative. “[M]ost Americans, most kids who leave that — that breakfast table and go and serve in the military and make that corporate decision with their family — most of them are conservatives.”

Even on its face, it was an absurd argument, but the evidence to disprove Hunter’s claim keeps piling up.

Close family members of U.S. troops are split on whether the Iraq invasion was a mistake, and 55% disapprove of President Bush’s job performance, according to USA TODAY/Gallup Polls focusing on immediate relatives of servicemembers.

“They’ve maxed out on the troops. You’ve got guys who are over there on their fourth or fifth tours. It’s ridiculous,” says Jeanette Knowles, 40, of Mountain Home, Idaho, whose brother, Jeff, served a tour in Iraq with the Oregon National Guard. […]

“I don’t want to see another Korea. I don’t want to see us stay there (in Iraq) forever. And you don’t want to be in a country if they don’t want us there,” says Bruce Bartley, 65, of Fredonia, N.Y., whose son, Army Capt. Steven Bartley, is on his second tour in Iraq. The elder Bartley, who describes himself as a conservative, disapproves of Bush’s job performance and says the invasion was a mistake.

These results mirror, and come on the heels of, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll released a few weeks ago, which found that nearly 60% of military families disapprove of the president’s performance and his handling of the war in Iraq. Among those families with members serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, six in 10 say the war has not been worth the cost.

Perhaps most importantly, a clear majority (58%) of these families “favor a withdrawal within the coming year or ‘right away.'”

I’m of course looking forward to congressional Republicans smearing these families as “cut and runners,” and Limbaugh blasting them for being “phony military families.”

It’s worth remembering that this is a trend that’s been ongoing for a while. Bush and the GOP assume the troops and their families are politically and ideologically in line behind them, but assumptions like these are mistaken. Remember this Military Times poll from a year ago?

Moreover, there’s a partisan shift apparently underway. Brandon Friedman at Vote Vets noted, “Way back in the day, many of us voted for George W. Bush. Personally, I cast that fateful vote for him in 2000–when I was 22 years old, and just over a month away from being commissioned as an Army officer. I figured I was doing my duty. I thought that Republicans supported the military. But I didn’t make the same mistake in 2004. After one deployment to Afghanistan and another to Iraq, I’d finally learned my lesson.”

It’s a sentiment that’s catching on.

When military families were asked which party could be trusted to do a better job of handling issues related to them, respondents divided almost evenly: 39% said Democrats and 35% chose Republicans. The general population feels similarly: 39% for Democrats and 31% for Republicans.

“The Democrats are not seen as the anti-soldier group anymore,” said Charles C. Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University.

Let’s not brush past that too quickly. Despite the perceived connection between the military and the GOP, and arguments that the troops and their families are necessarily conservative, military families prefer Democrats to Republicans on issues relating to their needs.

It’s a welcome change.

Here’s a report from IVAW about how much military support there is for Bush:

Jason Hurd:
Branch of service: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
Unit: Troop F 2/278th Regimental Combat Team
Rank: Specialist
Home: Asheville, North Carolina
Served in: Fort Leonard Wood, MO; Fort Sam Houston, TX; Fort Lewis, WA; Kingsport, TN; Baghdad, Iraq; Bristol, TN

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On the morning of December 17, 2007, Steve Casey and I awoke bright and early at the Quaker House in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

Steve and I had driven nearly three hundred miles from our home-base in Asheville, North Carolina to distribute holiday gift bags to the wonderful servicewomen and men stationed at our nation’s busiest military post–Fort Bragg.

Our friends and supporters in Asheville stuffed nearly three hundred small lunch bags full of holiday cards, chocolates, cookies and home-made brownies.

The gift bags had a humble feel to them: brown paper lunch sacks with the tops folded down, green and red ribbons, a copy of our newsletter Sit-Rep stapled to the outside and a small sticker that said, “To: A Warrior, From: IVAW.”

Our mission was to ensure that these bags–each made with love and kindness–got into the hands of our deserving soldiers.

With gift bags in hand, Steve and I drove to Fort Bragg’s Mini Mall and set up a small collapsible table to distribute the bags from. We taped two large poster boards to the front of the table; one said, “Happy Holidays From Your Fellow Veterans,” and the other proclaimed, “We Love Our Service Women and Men.”

Immediately, Steve and I began handing the packages to soldiers as they exited the Mini Mall. I greeted each soldier by saying, “Hello. My friend and I are veterans and we are giving holiday gift bags to our soldiers to show our appreciation for your service. Thank you and happy holidays.”

Nearly every soldier I spoke with replied with a large smile, “Thank you very much. I’m glad there are people like you doing this. Happy holidays to you too!”

Within an hour, Steve and I had given out nearly one hundred and fifty bags. In that time, only one soldier reacted negatively toward us; every one else seemed extremely pleased.

Around one o’clock in the afternoon, a female manager who worked for the Army and Air Force Exchange Services (AFFES) came out of the Mini Mall and said, “Hey guys I’m glad your giving out packages to soldiers, but you can’t do this on Fort Bragg without a permit.”

I replied, “Great! Where do we get a permit?”

The manager explained where we needed to go, and we began packing up shop to go get our permit.

That’s when the Military Police showed up. Three MP’s–SSG Netwig, PFC Murray and PVT Garren–approached us and began questioning us about our gift bags.

SSG Netwig glared at a copy of Sit-Rep and said, “I’m going to keep my personal opinion out of this, but you are disrupting the order and discipline of my post.”

I explained that we were on our way to get a permit for our bags and we had no intentions of disrupting the order and discipline of Fort Bragg.

SSG Netwig replied that we had offended a lot of people with our bags (which was news to Steve and I) and that he would not allow us to continue distributing them.

At that moment, a Special Forces Captain (apparently one of the people we had offended) approached SSG Netwig and spoke with him privately. Immediately, SSG Netwig said that we were going to the Provost Marshall’s office to answer questions.

“Are we being arrested?” I said.

“No. But you are being detained,” SSG Netwig replied.

At that moment, the MP’s shoved Steve and I against their patrol car, searched us, handcuffed us and placed us in the patrol car like criminals.

They drove us away leaving a box of gift bags on the trunk of Steve’s car. In the back of the patrol car, I looked at Steve and said, “Don’t worry, this is a good thing–trust me.”

“OK,” Steve said. SSG Netwig drove us to the Provost Marshall’s office where, after being searched a second time, we spent the next four hours as detainees.

Tne investigator told Steve that Fort Bragg is a conservative post and that anti-war views were in the minority. [“One investigator” is a lying, stupid sack of shit. During a visit to Fayetteville in March 2007, the wife of a soldier told me face to face that the majority of the troops hate the War, and would like to have a word with George Bush, up close and personal, while fully armed. Tom Barton]

The officers separated Steve and I and began questioning us.

I asked four times to make a phone call so that I could consult with an attorney; the officers denied my right each time.

A criminal investigator entered my room.

re you affiliated with any other groups besides IVAW?” he asked.

“No, I am not” I replied.

“How did you and this Steve guy meet?”

“Look,” I said, “I’m not going to continue answering questions without consulting an attorney.”

“But you aren’t under arrest. You’re merely detained and we are trying to have a friendly conversation with you,” the investigator said.

“I feel like it is in my best interests to consult with an attorney before continuing,” I replied.

Then the investigator and officers walked out leaving me alone in the room. Against my captor’s wishes, I began text messaging the Quaker House and IVAW members to let them know what was happening (the officers had mistakenly left my phone). Immediately, the investigators began receiving calls from every peace activist from North Carolina to Philadelphia urging them to release Steve and I.

The MP’s knew they had “a situation” on their hands.

Before we knew it, an investigator apologized to Steve and I for the inconvenience and released us.

The investigator informed us that we just needed to get a permit for future activities of this nature.

Two young MP’s escorted Steve and I back to our car and we talked about Iraq on the way.

One of the young MP’s said, “Yeah, fuck Iraq. I hate that place. I had friends die there. I don’t ever want to go back.”

We pulled up to Steve’s car and rubbing the cuts on our wrists from the handcuffs, we saw the perfect ending to our day. The box of gift bags was still sitting atop Steve’s trunk and some passerby had written on it the following:

“Hi, I heard what happened.
“Listen up cops, politicians, and OVER EGOTISTIC DRAMA QUEEN SENIOR NCO’S AND OFFICERS!
“Many friends in my platoon DIED BRUTALLY for the First Amendment.
“We have the right to peaceful protest, damn you! Why did you arrest these guys?
“To all ya’ll who don’t believe in: freedom of speech, press, council, religion, assembly, and petition…GO TO HELL!!
“Sincerely, A concerned passerby and witness to the arrest of protesters.”

So much for being “the minority.”

  • We opposed nazi imperial aggression back during World War II, after we got past the Republican (Bush’s grandfather and Bush’s great-grandfather and others who fancied that Hitler and the Nazis were a “bulwark” against the Red Communists of Russia) isolationism. Now “Republicans” such as Duncan Hunter support endless Bush imperial aggression against the Iraqi people and the continuing military occupation of Iraq. Duncan claims vast support among our military families for said occupation, based on nothing but his own insanity. Duncan has probably been smoking that special Neo-con blend of right-wing herbs which causes serious delusions and creates absurd mental states, by disconnecting minds from any reality…

  • Actually Hunter is right that Military families are conservative.

    It’s Bush and the Republican’ts who aren’t.

  • Hey Bush morons: Why doesn’t a clear majority of the troops “support the troops”? Do they just hate America or what?

  • I’m with Lance, every example CB gave pretty much said that they were conservatives, just not supporters of how this war was handled. Just because they vote D this cycle is not going to make them liberals.

    And that is where this decades of liberal control is going to falter. We are not tying Bush to conservatism and I think the feeling by conservatives is they got a bad apple, not that conservatism is foul.

    I think the race against Romney is going to be a lot harder then everyone seems to think. We might take the White House, but memories are short and these military families are not political junkies. In their hearts they still believe the GOP is pro-military family.

  • The respondents in this poll self-identified themselves as family of military, making this poll worthless.

    A new book shows Saddam did support al Qaeda and the Taliban:

  • May the Democrats prove worthy of the newfound trust.

    $10 trillion in the hole by 2008.
    Will America understand the GOP is no good at economics either?

    I’m darn sure convinced.

  • Let’s try this.

    There is nothing ‘conservative’ about having a large standing army, spending enourmous funds on veterans who no longer serve to protect the country, or creating Government-run health-care and education for military families.

    The first would have scared the Dickens out of the Founding Fathers, the second and third would dismay Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics (read “Shock Doctrine, the Rise of Disaster Capitalism”).

    Yet we have these Government programs and the U.S. Military and their families essentially believe themselves to be the clients of the Republican’t party. And for all of that, they don’t see that the party treats them like white-trash.

    Which is one reason I respect Senator Clinton. She has taken the last seven years to become deeply knowledgeable about the U.S. Military in a way most liberals simply do not care try.

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