Monday’s Mini-Report

Today’s edition of quick hits.

* AP: “More than 2,000 people crowded Ebenezer Baptist Church on Monday to honor the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s commitment to peace and equality and note the importance of his legacy in this election year. ‘He understood that life is not about self. Life is about service — and service to others,’ said Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle. Former President Bill Clinton, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin were among those attending the service. King’s birthday is Jan. 15, but the federal holiday bearing his name is observed on the third Monday in January.”

* In 1983, John McCain was one of several Republican senators who voted against creating a holiday to honor Dr. King.

* Rick Perlstein notes the relationship between conservatives and MLK, including controversial comments from Strom Thurmond and Ronald Reagan upon King’s assassination: “What you get now are convoluted and fantastical tributes [from the right] arguing that, properly understood, Martin Luther King was actually one of them — or would have been, had he lived. But, if we are going to have a holiday to honor history, we might as well honor history. We might as well recover the true story. Conservatives — both Democrats and Republicans — hated King’s doctrines. Hating them was one of the litmus tests of conservatism.”

* First, the Heritage Foundation makes silly attacks: “The Heritage Foundation’s ‘blog’ indicts the ‘moral bankruptcy of Talking Points Memo.’ It seems to be a rearguard action expressing some hurt feelings about the right-wing failure to substantiate any of their bogus election fraud charges, which they have used to suppress voter turnout by minority and low-income voters as well as provide fodder for Voter-ID laws and sundry other voter suppression tactics.”

* …and then the Heritage Foundation offers a metaphor for conservative competence: “I am offended that Heritage is slyly using their server reliability as a metaphor for modern conservative governance. Earlier I linked to the main blog to try to give people a working link. But now it seems that your visits have brought down the entire blog section of the Heritage website. Then momentarily the direct link worked. But then it went down again too. If someone from Heritage would be willing to walk a paper copy to TPM headquarters we would be happy to scan it and post it directly on our site.:

* Did Mitt Romney, for no apparent reason at all, really say, “Who let the dogs out?” while campaigning in Florida today? Regretfully, yes.

* An important post from emptywheel: “What follows is an uber-timeline, matching the dates for which OVP and WH don’t have any email archives to the Plame investigation, as well as laying out further details on how the investigation proceeded over time.”

* I guess this was inevitable: “It’s official! The EPA-California greenhouse gas affair has matured into the promised knock-down-drag-out fight it showed promise to become. That’s right, barely a month into it, and we’ve already got an assertion of executive privilege.”

* I’ve lost count of just how many columns Paul Krugman has devoted to criticizing Obama, but he was at it again today. Matt Yglesias and dnA offer retorts.

* AP: “The Los Angeles Times fired its top editor after he rejected a management order to cut $4 million from the newsroom budget, 14 months after his predecessor was also ousted in a budget dispute, the newspaper said Sunday. James O’Shea was fired following a confrontation with Publisher David D. Hiller, the Times reported on its Web site…. The departure also follows that of his predecessor, Dean Baquet, who was forced to resign after he opposed further cuts to the newsroom budget in 2006.”

* Like Kevin, I found this National Review item confusing: “If either McCain or Romney gets the nomination, as unfortunately seems likely, he must choose the single most conservative running mate he can find, who is sane and articulate. Or else Obama becomes President, with a lot of crossover GOP votes.” Conservatives prefer Obama to McCain and Romney? Independents, sure, but conservatives?

* Reader R.K. reminded me of Bob Herbert’s great column from the weekend: “I think of the people running this country as the mad-dashers, a largely confused and inconsistent group lurching ineffectively from one enormous problem to another. They’ve made a hash of a war that never should have been launched. They can’t find bin Laden. They’ve been shocked by the subprime debacle. They’re lost in a maze on health care. Now, like children who have eaten too much sugar, they are frantically trying to figure out how to put a few dollars into the hands of working people to stimulate an enfeebled economy. They should stop, take a deep breath and acknowledge the obvious: the way to put money into the hands of working people is to make sure they have access to good jobs at good wages.”

* And finally, coming eventually to a theater near you: “He’s tackled the assassination of John F. Kennedy and tumultuous presidency of Richard Nixon. Now Hollywood director Oliver Stone is preparing to take an in depth look at how President Bush came to power. According to Daily Variety, Stone is in the process of developing a script about the current president that he hopes will hit theatres in time for the general election next fall. And he’s tapped Josh Brolin — most recently of ‘No Country for Old Men’ to play the commander in chief.” Stone said he wants a “fair, true portrait of the man.”

Anything to add? Consider this an end-of-the-day open thread.

I can’t decide. Is the neo-con attempt to co-opt Dr. King a sign that they’re fucking idiots or a sly form of defamation? “Hey, everyone hates our guts, so we’ll say he’s one of us and they’ll hate his guts!”

Either way, what a bunch of pathetic arseholes. Anyone ignorant enough to buy that line of bs be right at home among the fRighties, but it is likely more of Das Base will be repulsed by any organization that claims the outside agitator as one of their own.

  • “If either McCain or Romney gets the nomination, as unfortunately seems likely, he must choose the single most conservative running mate he can find, who is sane and articulate.”

    well THAT’S going to narrow the field of possibilities!

  • Given that Oliver Stone has now become an apologist for the administration who has signed on for the Great War on Terra (“World TYrade Center”), I wouldn’t be expecting him to make something that says Bush stole the elections. Not to mention that if he started shooting it a year ago it would be hard-pressed to be in a theater by September this year. And if he is doing this script, it’s probably being writen by that wanna-be Ayatollah who did “The Path To 9/11”, since Oliver said he liked that and wanted to work with that guy (whose name I have excised from the memory files).

    With the “new improved” Oliver Stone, if he tells you it’s Monday, check three calendars and four independent sources. He’s about as big a drug-addled idiot as Dennis Hopper is these days.

    Said as someone who used to consider him a friend worthy of respect.

  • Oh,. and the L.A. Times is now at the point where it isn’t even second-rate litterbox liner, though if you live in a town that doesn’t have a 24-hour convenience store, it could be useful at 3 a.m. if you were to run out of a certain bathroom product. The paper is one-fourth the size it used to be, and the first section could easily be mistaken for the front section of USA Today.

  • So, wait . . . Josh Brolin will play Bush. His father, James, played Reagan in some T.V. movie a few years back. Interesting.

    I don’t know what Josh’s politics are, but I am certain that James’s political views are very much in step with those of his current wife . . . none other than Barbra Streisand. So, if Josh shares any political sentiment with his father and stepmother, I doubt he’d agree to appear in a film that portrays a sympathetic Bush. There is hope yet for the film being in our corner!

  • Herbert’s right. The Bushies are all about PR tactics and not about really tackling a problem to solve it. If we can only survive the remainder of the year with them still in charge …

  • He’s about as big a drug-addled idiot as Dennis Hopper is these days.

    I read the above and – without the teeniest bit of internal snark – thought: “Is he talking about Bush or Stone?

    Oh well, the joke’s on Ollie. Unless the movie makes the BushMaster seem a combination of all the virtues with just a touch of Rambo thrown in, Das Base will come after him and chew his pants legs.

  • Apropos of nothing here, I’ve been wondering about something lately: the tolerance levels for cognitive dissonance. Some of you may be familiar with that online book “The Authoritarians” from which John Dean gleaned many of his ideas incorporated into his last two books. Knowing some authoritarians very well (family members) and their seemingly incredible tolerance for cognitive dissonance, I find myself wondering if anyone’s ever done any studies exploring the link between such a mindset and the likelihood of holding conservative views. The two (and throw religion into the mix) seem to have a distinct correlation. Just thought I’d throw this out there, as I’ve been musing about it for quite some time when trying to figure out how many of these people think the way they seem to (or not!).

  • I wish someone would put a muzzle on Bill Clinton and lock him in a closet until after the election. Every time he opens his mouth, he shoots Hillary in the foot. Even worse, he shoots the Democrats in the foot. I’ve always had a great deal of respect for Bill Clinton, even when I disagreed with him, but he seems to be having some kind of senior crisis. Somebody get him out of the way before he does irreparable damage.

    Of course, if Obama wins the nomination, he’ll probably go away voluntarily. But God forbid he should campaign for the man the way he is for Hillary.

    I’m neutral. I’m rooting for the one that has the best chance in November. But I haven’t the foggiest notion of whether that is Hillary or Obama. I can think of dozens of arguments either way.

    But I do wish Bill Clinton would get out of the way, and now.

  • Not intending to swan anybody here, but perhaps a high tolerance for cognitive dissonance also explains why so many conservatives seem to be simply blind to irony. If one is used to compartmentalizing concepts so completely, the inherent comparisons inherent in irony might simply be unrecognizable to some, while glaringly and often humorously obvious to others.

    Okay, that’s my psychological 2 cents for today. We now return you to your regularly scheduled comments.

  • A little OT but…

    The market openning tomorrow COULD BE BRUTAL. All futures are down big.

    Hang on to your hats – the Repub economy is kicking into high gear.

  • “What you get now are convoluted and fantastical tributes [from the right] arguing that, properly understood, Martin Luther King was actually one of them — or would have been, had he lived.”

    Isn’t this just an oblique way of insulting King, sort of saying you aren’t going to tribute him unless you misrepresent him as being the opposite of what he was? Thank God one party, the Democrats, are not associated with racism any longer.

  • this National Review item confusing: “If either McCain or Romney gets the nomination, as unfortunately seems likely, he must choose the single most conservative running mate he can find, who is sane and articulate. Or else Obama becomes President, with a lot of crossover GOP votes.” Conservatives prefer Obama to McCain and Romney? Independents, sure, but conservatives?

    The National Review must not be looking at the poll numbers. Hillary is so ahead of Obama in the February 5th states, it looks about locked-up. Either that, or they’re purposely trying to mis-represent the race to make an Obama victory look inevitable- because they know bloggers like you, who write for liberals, will link to them, and they want us readers to think Obama is stronger without actually looking at the polls.

  • The disappearance of files in the FBI investigation of government officials and stolen nuclear secrets story (mouthful) got new legs yesterday in the Sunday Times UK.

    Freedom is on the march (?)

  • Swan @ 15… I think you should check another source. The link you cited contains polling numbers that are up to a year old, and the page has a note indicating it needs updating.

  • * Did Mitt Romney, for no apparent reason at all, really say, “Who let the dogs out?” while campaigning in Florida today? Regretfully, yes.

    Don’t worry, I don’t believe will all be left smarting at how cheesy this is for long.

    Tomorrow it’ll probably be out-shone (so to speak) by President Bush doing the Macarena in the rose garden (and claiming it’s in honor of Martin Luther King Day), and then playing a videotape of Karl Rove rapping.

  • beep52 wrote:

    Swan @ 15… I think you should check another source. The link you cited contains polling numbers that are up to a year old, and the page has a note indicating it needs updating.

    Au contraire, beep52, the page lists polls for each state in chronological order, and for most of the states there is at least one January ’08 poll at the top of the pile. Thanks for playing, don’t try again.

  • Calling out Bill Moyers AND TPM with this one…

    TPM ran a vdeo piece earlier this week by Bill Moyers on Hillary’s “It takes a President” quote :

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php

    TPM did not open that post up to comments.
    I suspect that’s because Moyers would have been both fried and praised.
    The praise part would have been okay with Josh.
    The frying part… well…not so good.
    Josh reasoned that all good lefties are suppose to nod sagaciously and agree with what ever comes out of Moyer’s pie-hole.
    He is gospel.
    As is Krugman.
    Same, up until a week ago, with whatever came out of the Big Dog’s snout.

    As the icon of lefty-rationality, Moyers is beyond reproach…

    My opinion: You crapped on the netroots Josh.
    You ran crooked and scared.

    Now regarding Moyers:
    He is starting to sag even worse than Andy Rooney.

    That piece is contaminated by self-aggrandizement…
    He even includes a picture of himself with LBJ!
    He is so mixed up in the story he can’t separate himself from the truth.
    By the end of his spiel you want to ask:
    So should it really be MLK-LBJ holiday Mr. Moyers?

    What Moyers fails to realize is that if LBJ didn’t sign that legislation…
    Some other elected twit with a super-sized ego the size of Texas would have.
    Yes it would have taken longer. But the signing of that legislation was inevitable.
    It was forced on the establishment that LBJ and his cronies represented.
    Forced on them from the outside.
    By a force that wasn’t going away…
    They had to sign it.
    Sooner or later.
    LBJ or no LBJ… it was going to get signed.
    Sorry Mr. Moyers, as much as you want to think you and LBJ were at the vanguard of courage…
    Signing a piece a paper really doesn’t compare.
    Sit down and shutup!

    Lastly…
    Moyers piece begins with the full Hillary quote.
    Remind me again, on MLK day, why she felt compelled to go there?

  • swan #20
    dunno about most being recent, but my states 5 months old. I decided to look when i noticed more than a few kind of old.
    not saying anything against wikipedia though 🙂 anyone can post there, wonderful idea huh.

  • * Did Mitt Romney, for no apparent reason at all, really say, “Who let the dogs out?” while campaigning in Florida today? Regretfully, yes.

    Of course he did! Its Florida after all; not a state with a reputation of being abundantly intellectual.

  • swan20
    dont know if this is good, or if anything is, but recent i guess.

    2008 Democratic Nomination Market
    at the Iowa Electronic Predictions Market
    Hope the link shows up. Carpetbagger looks at these he posted once, great for predicting the immediate past. Kind of a kick in the pants, as I’d rather watch Obama on the tube. Maybe other folks will too If he’s got the money to buy some commercials.

  • “Thanks for playing, don’t try again.” — Swan

    I was attempting to suggest in a nice way that you seek out better data sources than a Wikipedia page. Out of respect for for CB, I and many folks here put up with your often idiotic ramblings on a regular basis. It’s extremely bad form to repay that kindness with rudeness.

  • Ummm…Swannie…I hate to break the bad news to you on this one, but your “source” only supplies polling data specifics for 40 states—Yep, counted them, too. And of the forty with specific polls cited, 25 of them identify the most recent poll as being taken sometime in 2007. They are—alphabetically, followed by the month in which the most recent poll was taken:

    Arizona—11/07
    Arkansas—03/07
    Colorado—09/07
    Delaware—10/07
    Idaho—07/07
    Illinois—12/07
    Kansas—05/07
    Maine—04/07
    Maryland—10/07
    Minnesota—09/07
    Missouri—11/07
    Montana—12/07
    New Mexico—04/07
    North Carolina—12/07
    Ohio—11/07
    Oregon—08/07
    Pennsylvania—11/07
    Rhode Island—01/07
    Tennessee—03/07
    Utah—02/07
    Vermont—02/07
    Virginia—10/07
    Washington—10/07
    West Virginia—03/07
    Wisconsin—12/07

    You mentioned something to beep52 earlier. Let’s see—what were those exact words?

    Oh, yes—now I remember:

    “Thanks for playing–don’t try again.”

    You’d better ask Karl Rove for a refund, Swannie. That “math” program he sold you is a dud. And obviously, you didn’t expect someone to do a count on your source.

    SURPRISE!!!

    You may tuck your tail between your legs and go home now….

  • Sorry, beep—I was checking the Wiki data when you posted. If you look at the numbers, I think you’ll agree that Swannie’s “rudeness” is a bit more than bad form—it’s overtly incorrect.

  • Ok, maybe when I looked over the page the first time, by un-virtue of just glancing it over I mis-identified 2 or 3 state as having Jan. 2008 polling or as going to Hill instead of Barack. But I’m not the one who didn’t read the page or is trying to mis-lead people here.

    The following Feb. 5 states have the following numbers of polls showing Hillary as the leader:

    Cali: 3 Jan. ’08 polls- each have Hill winning

    Conn: 1 Hill winning

    Florida: 7

    Massachusetts: 2

    NJ: 2

    NY: 1

    OK: 2

    Looks like Steve and Beep52 are the ones trying to jack the truth and talk smack- look at the page for yourself and see what you think.

    Steve at 26/27, STFU….

  • Steve Idiot (that’s what I’m calling you now, to distinguish from Steve Benen) if you look at my original comment at #14, I specifically was talking about the Feb. 5th states. The page lists 40 states or whatever, but they’re not all Feb 5th states.

    You wrote:

    I hate to break the bad news to you on this one, but your “source” only supplies polling data specifics for 40 states—Yep, counted them, too. And of the forty with specific polls cited, 25 of them identify the most recent poll as being taken sometime in 2007.

    Duh!

    Go back to hanging out on sci-fi afficionado cyberdork websites where your intelligence will be appreciated.

  • A chart near the top of the page summarizing the polling has Hillary, in terms or delegates, winning handily over Obama through Super Tuesday.

  • Not to steal Steve’s “I watch debates” scoop for tomorrow morning, but my god what I saw of that was nasty (although, Anne, the result is that Edwards came out looking the best – when he got a word in). On the one hand, these three all sound smart, able, tough, well prepared and up on the substance.

    But hows this for a totally brass knuckled exchange that helps absolutely no one:

    OBAMA: “. . . because while I was working on those streets watching those folks see their jobs shift overseas, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart.”

    CLINTON: “I was working for economic justice when you were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business. . ..”

    At one point Edwards got applause when he broke in with:

    “Are there three people in this debate, not two?. . . We have got to understand, this is not about us personally. It’s about what we are trying to do for this country.”

    Maybe Edwards winning SC would wake the other two up and remind them that the enemy is the one with an R after his name.

  • Ok, so beep and Steve Idiot claimed that Swan wasn’t looking at recent polling. But out of all the Super Tuesday races on the page that had recent polling, Hillary was winning seven and Barack maybe three.

  • I dunno, i think Obama got game, he shows up with his people to plug in the phones and he finds people already have been working for him, even he’s surprised. We’ll see.

  • * Reader R.K. reminded me of Bob Herbert’s great column from the weekend:

    I will never understand why Herbert doesn’t have a better reputation among the moderate-left. The man’s written an excellent column, *consistently, twice a week*, for the past 5-6yrs (as long as I’ve been reading the NYT). He’s every bit as good — progressive/liberal, thoughtful, passionate, literate — as Krugman. Those two (and, occasionally, Kristof) were the only regulars worth reading on that page (we don’t get the Sunday edition, so I didn’t discover Frank Rich until about a year ago). Both Krugman and Herbert write about their particular “niche” of knowledge and make it accessible to those (like me) who, otherwise, might not understand the subject. But Krugman is the darling of the left and gets quoted all the time, while Herbert’s not. Could the reason, possibly, be that Herbert’s “niche” is not one which applies, directly, to the *white* middle-class experience?

    Krugman’s recent attacks on Obama… The one on Obama embracing the right-wing talking points vs Social Security was, I thought, perfectly legitimate. Everything after that reminded me of my Mother and her friends back in Poland when I was growing up. On one level, they all were as non-bigoted as they come, having been — frequently — on the receiving end of racial discrimination (Jews). But. When we watched “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner”, it was all: “oh, the poor parents; the girl’s brought home a schwartze”. “The girl”, of course, simply took her parents’ teachings at face value and acted accordingly; who could have known that their tolerance would evaporate within 20 yards of the home?
    ————————-
    Steve at 26/27, STFU….
    Steve Idiot (that’s what I’m calling you now, to distinguish from Steve Benen) — Swan, @28&29

    Most people grow up, by the time they’re your age (ca 28, isn’t it?); your arrested development seems to have condemned you to remain an Ugly Duckling forever, without a chance of ever transforming into a Swan…

    As for your multiple (split?) personalities — the BBC (Buddha Blaze Champion, I think it was?) one, the Green Leaf (reading tea-leaves now, are we?) one, the Contented Something-or-other Conservative of a couple of weeks ago… It’s really not enough to change the “handle”… You also need to learn how to become another personality; how to speak (and write) in another voice. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to have been able to achieve that aim. Perhaps you should follow your preferred candidate and “find your *voice*”? In singular?

  • Up-to-date polls can also be found conveniently at http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jan20.html
    or in tabular form at
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Polls.html

    The most recent map at Electoralvote.com is a fascinating, if very scary, prediction map for a Clinton – McCain election (at http://www.electoral-vote.com/index.html ), if the election was held today on the basis of the most recent polls. (Some aren’t very recent, and he’s not pretending that this is an especially meaningful exercise this far out from November.) McCain would win fairly handily.

  • Re: Zeitgeist at 31, I think what we and the people watching the debates need to understand is that you can be a corporate lawyer and then go on to fight for economic justice or civil rights, and vice versa.

    Corporations supply a lot of needs in this country, and without them, we’d be a lot worse off. They used to wield way too much power, about 100 years ago. Now, thankfully, they have less. Corporations have legitimate needs and concerns, however, and legitimate reasons to pay attention to the law, seek legal advice, and lobby the government; just because a candidate touched a corporation somehow in their past doesn’t necessarily make them less a Democrat. If you’re young and starting out as a lawyer and you want to go work for high-end firms for a few years and help pay off your law school loans, and then come back and work for constitutional rights of individuals, that’s not necessarily make you bad, either.

    Swan wrote:

    Duh!

    Go back to hanging out on sci-fi afficionado cyberdork websites where your intelligence will be appreciated.

    Rest easy, Swan. Hopefully Steve works at some Dunkin Donuts or Target, in a less-than-management capacity, where his brilliance is hemmed in somewhat…

  • Libra, I think you’re really schizophrenic.

    I think I wrote you a comment or two about stopping harassing me when you flew off the handle at me in the past a couple times, too, didn’t I?

    #36- Remember, those polls change a lot by the time the general rolls around. N. Wells, it’s funny how the Republicans seem to be pushing so hard for a Barack v. the Republican stand-off though, isn’t it? It seems that they think that when the race tightens up, it’s actually Barack who’s going to be easier to beat.

  • It seems that they think that when the race tightens up, it’s actually Barack who’s going to be easier to beat.

    That is, it seems like they think he’s more vulnerable to the swift-boating than Hillary is.

    Also-
    I keep seeing this claim posted in comments here that McCain can beat Hillary. but check this out, from the site N. Wells linked to:

    What would the general election look like? SurveyUSA has run some head-to-head polls in various states and the results are shown on the map above. For states they didn’t poll, the 2004 election results are used. Be warned that the election is more than nine months away. That’s a long time. You could decide to have a baby and completely execute the plan before the election. Tomorrow: Obama vs. McCain.

    So that prediction is actually based on polling from four years ago!!!

    Yikes!!!

  • On January 22nd, 2008 at 1:00 am, Swan said:

    “Libra, I think you’re really schizophrenic.”

    Ducklin’… It ain’t me who has multiple personalities and tries to speak in many voices…

  • I agree that many of the polls are old, and the lead time is ridiculous, and we haven’t even determined whether McCain & HRC will be the candidates. So it’s not very meaningful, as I said.

    However, for whatever little it’s worth, of the reasonably recently polled states, HRC would get NY, MA, FL, MN & CA, whereas McCain would get VA, KY, AL, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, NM, WA, & OR.

  • Lindsay: The book “The Authoritarians” deals mostly with exactly the Rightwing Authoritarian Followers, aka the conservative base. As to correlations, it says:

    Want some numbers to get an idea how strong these generalizations are? In that
    2005 study of 638 parents of university students I described in note 7, Religious
    Fundamentalism correlated .74 with Right-Wing Authoritarianism (an “almost
    unheard of” strong relationship), .89 with Barna’s measure of being an evangelical (an
    even bigger “almost unheard of” relationship), .72 with scores on the Religious
    Ethnocentrism scale (yet another almost unheard of relationship), and (THUD!) .19
    with scores on the Manitoba Ethnocentrism scale that measures racial and ethnic
    prejudice (a weak relationship).

  • Oh please, s’wanna-be—you’re actually going to try and hinge an entire primary season’s results on one single day? You front a source that has information outdated by almost a year in some instances—and you call it “new and reliable?”

    Do I actually need to provide explicit numbers to you? Okay—let’s take one example: California. You push Survey USA; they show Hillary at 57% on October ’07—and only at 50% in January ’08. Rasmussen Has Obama within striking distance if you pay attention to the parameters—and you really want people to look at a source that includes only the most recent Politico numbers? Where’d the rest of their figures go? Maybe they’re part of that LAT budget cutback?

    Why do you think that Wikipedia itself admits that it’s own citation needs updating? Even they are owning up to the fact that the numbers are in a state of flux. this whole thing’s gone fluid, and you seem to be the only one who still sees ice cream, when all you’ve got is a bowl of milk.

    Your whiny little keyboard tantrums won’t hold water either on this one. It’ll take more than a Bill-n-Hill Show lapdog “s’wanna-be” pander-bear to make people STFU, child.

  • Perhaps McCain missed an opportunity to vote his conscience, but instead he voted the will of his people. He’s probably guilty of pandering/cowardice rather than racism. (Remember, he adopted a child of color.)

    http://www.larrydewitt.net/Foxes/mlk.html

    … I have to admit I was embarrassed, and even a little ashamed, when Arizona refused to participate in MLK Day. You have to let me explain.

    You see there is this guy in Arizona named Ev Mecham. Ev Mecham first ran for governor in 1964 on the too-short coattails of Barry Goldwater’s presidential campaign. Although Ev Mecham lost about as badly as Barry Goldwater, this did not discourage him, and he has continued to run for governor with amusing regularity. At least he used to be amusing–until he won. The story is a long one, and there is a story, believe me. Suffice it to say: Ev Mecham being elected governor of Arizona was for Arizonans like waking up one morning in early November and discovering that Harold Stassen had somehow been elected President.

    Well, Ev Mecham signed a proclamation repealing MLK Day in Arizona. And thus began my long national nightmare.

    There was a period there for two or three years when I could not tell anyone I was from Arizona because the inevitable response was: “Oh yeah, the state with the racist governor.” I mean people who didn’t even know Arizona was part of the Union knew we had a racist governor.

    Swan, wow.
    “STFU?” Really? On this, a last bastion of dissent?

    As for the GOP begging for an Obama win… maybe they post the Hil vs McCain map because the Obama one doesn’t instill as much confidence? Even Republicans tell the truth sometimes. They just might not share all they know.
    Less hostile polls have indicated superior results by Edwards and Obama too.

  • “Who won the White House? Bush! Bush Bush Bush!” was sung to the tune of “Who let the dogs out?” when supporters gathered around the vote recount location as the Supreme Court shut down operations.

    Perhaps Mitt was thinking fondly of this day?
    Still, not everyone’s steel trap memory can capture Baja Men moments like this.

  • In case anyone looke dat that http://www.electoral-vote.com map yesterday showing McCain beating Clinton, today they have McCain-Obama and McCain wins by a larger margin.

    None of this really matters because only some states are based on recent polls and the rest default to 2004, which is highly unreliable. But their methodology was the same yesterday and today. The real take away for Dems should be that this is still far from over.

  • All right, you’re all nuts, but to keep Steve Idiot from thinking he’s getting away with stuff:

    What you wrote is misleading like a Stalinist or Nazi propagandist!

    you’re actually going to try and hinge an entire primary season’s results on one single day?

    You mean a single day that’s around two weeks ago for some of the polls, less for others? And when the primaries I was talking about are only in 10 days? Polls like those mean a lot!!

    You front a source that has information outdated by almost a year in some instances—and you call it “new and reliable?”

    As I wrote thrice, but you’re trying to bamboozle people into ignoring (apparently only for the sake of making yourself look good) I was fronting the information on the page that was from this month! Only when some troll tried to undermine my info to do his job did you half-wittedly jump in on me, using his untrue argument.

    Do I actually need to provide explicit numbers to you? Okay—let’s take one example: California. You push Survey USA; they show Hillary at 57% on October ‘07—and only at 50% in January ‘08. Rasmussen Has Obama within striking distance if you pay attention to the parameters—

    So? All I claimed was that Hillary was leading. These aren’t even single-percentage point leads- they’re fairly big leads in some of the polls. Granted, this is with Edwards still in the race, but Hillary should pick up at least a substantial minority of his supporters, so even if he dropped out by Feb. (seems like he doesn’t want to anyway) Barack wouldn’t make up the difference. Where’s you’re point? Seems you got it out of a kid’s fairy-tale book somewhere.

    Why do you think that Wikipedia itself admits that it’s own citation needs updating?

    Since you show off your lame old-guy-wanna-be-young nerd lingo sometimes in your comments (that’s how it sounds when you write that stuff- that’s how you use slang), I bet you know a little about Wikipedia. So I think you’re being dishonest here, too (wow, that’s like 3 or 4 times in a single comment). That label is a “stick on ’em all” label Wikipedia throws on websites. It doesn’t mean that the Website contains no useful information. Obviously, if a poll is marked with a specific date on the Wikipedia page and linked to the Internet source of the poll (as these were), you can look at the date of the poll (and follow the link) and decide for yourself whether a Jan. 2008 poll bears on Super Tuesday ’08. Obviously, it does, as any person who has learned about or follows politics can understand. A one-size-fits-all Wikipedia label that’s slapped only at the top of articles, rather than flagging specific bits within an article, is no way to determine whether an 01/08 poll is recent enough or not! If anything, your reasoning is relying on Wikipedia the wrong way, is arguing “If Wikipedia outs a label on this page saying it’s not recent enough, then everything on this page isn’t recent enough, even if it’s from two weeks ago.” Heh! Two weeks ago! How often do you think polls need to be taken?

    Libra is pretty insane for supporting you when you’re so misleading and arrogant. It’s like you write pure arrogant and insulting shit with nothing at all redeeming in it, and then she jump to your defense. Funny how you two always come in a pair against me, and always lie while I always tell the truth.

  • Also, I didn’t use the words “new and reliable”– that’s another invention of yours to slam me. But polls from reputable polling outlets that they released to the public two weeks ago are about as new abd reliable as you can get.

    You’re apparently trying to make it look like I was vouching for the ’07 polls as new and reliable. You’re trying to lie your way out of your previous stupid remarks, but it’s pretty clear I was never in any way referring to any of the ’07 polls.

  • * Did Mitt Romney, for no apparent reason at all, really say, “Who let the dogs out?” while campaigning in Florida today? Regretfully, yes.

    Now that’s what I’m talking about. The hip white friend that I’ve been looking for!

  • No, s’wanna-be—you’re referring to one single day—February 5th. You’re hinging your entire, childish defense on two words.

    You didn’t limit your “link” in the following post to “February 5.”

    You didn’t limit your reply to beep to “February 5th,” either. Here’s your exact, word-for-word quote from post #20:

    “Au contraire, beep52, the page lists polls for each state in chronological order, and for most of the states there is at least one January ‘08 poll at the top of the pile. Thanks for playing, don’t try again.”

    Let’s take this one apart, shall we? Specifically, let’s look at the words, “for most of the states there is at least one January ’08 poll at the top.” At no time does your specific comment apply “February 5.” Your cited source only includes 40 of the 50 states, which makes it an an incomplete-thus-invalid data measurement tool in any language.

    You claim that most of the states in your cited source have a January ’08 poll—and that, little one, is a bald-faced lie. 15 out of 40 does not make “most.”

    Now, maybe you can muster up some more childish, triangulative excuses to show me—and everyone else reading this—where what I’ve just posted is wrong.

  • Some mofo on 51 is stealing my name, I don’t know why people are trying to say me and Swan are the same person because I agreed with him a couple of times.

    No more name-stealing, jack-ass!

  • Steve,

    after I identified I was talking about Feb. 5th polls in my first comment on the subject, I’ve got to use the word Feb. 5th in every sentence in every other comment about it just because the page also includes other (clearly dated) polls? Isn’t it natural that if I was originally talking about Feb. 5th polls my meaning wouldn’t somehow supernaturally shift to include the other polls without my overtly saying it, as in “And the other polls on the site, besides the Feb. 5th polls…” or something like that?

    Man, you are really working hard at talking shit, aren’t you?

  • I guess Steve thinks that, based on what he’s thinking and feeling, the meaning of my words and sentences somehow shift around after I’ve written them to make me a liar and him smart and honest.

    You are way out in looneyville.

  • Wow—I must’ve really hit a nerve this time. You come across as a know-it-all brat, you can’t connect two dots without using three posts to do it with, you cite outdated information, say one thing and then come right back and deny it, after it’s written in stone on the ‘Net—and then you get all bent out of shape anytime someone dares to stand up and call you on the inconceivable, incomprehensible crap that you call cognitive thought?

    It’s no wonder you don’t get “real” traffic at your silly little blog—you’re not worth the electricity it takes to crank up a hard-drive.

    The term “fuckwit” fits you quite nicely. It fits like a glove. Get used to it. Maybe it’ll get you a job with the neocons. Or the Clintons.

    Same thing, there….

  • Oh, and just in case you’ve forgotten, there are 22 states on February 5th with Democratic contests. You’ve listed 7. The word “most” denotes “more than half”—and you’re off the mark on that one, too, by about 42%, since 7 is only 58% of 12.

    7 is also less than one-third of 22—but given your penchant for the DoubleSpeak pedagogy of RoveMath, some people might find a bit of pity in their hearts for you.

    Go back to your sand-box “blog” and find something else to blame the Jews for. The cash register just rang up “no sale” on your little falsehoods…and I never pity fuckwits.

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