More ‘phony soldiers’ speak out against Iraq policy

A month ago, when Rush Limbaugh first blasted U.S. troops who disagree with the Bush administration’s policy in Iraq as “phony soldiers,” the far-right host and his eager caller also insisted that the “real” troops want to be there and support the mission. During the “phony soldiers” call, Limbaugh’s listener argued, “If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.” Limbaugh agreed, saying, “They joined to be in Iraq.”

But more and more, one need not look too hard to find ample evidence to the contrary. The WaPo’s Joshua Partlow has a chilling front-page piece on soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Division, who arrived in southwestern Baghdad 14 months ago — now leaving bitter and downtrodden.

Next month, the U.S. soldiers will complete their tour in Iraq. Their experience in Sadiyah has left many of them deeply discouraged, by both the unabated hatred between rival sectarian fighters and the questionable will of the Iraqi government to work toward peaceful solutions.

Asked if the American endeavor here was worth their sacrifice — 20 soldiers from the battalion have been killed in Baghdad — [Sgt. Victor Alarcon] said no: “I don’t think this place is worth another soldier’s life.” (emphasis added)

While top U.S. commanders say the statistics of violence have registered a steep drop in Baghdad and elsewhere, the soldiers’ experience in Sadiyah shows that numbers alone do not describe the sense of aborted normalcy — the fear, the disrupted lives — that still hangs over the city.

The troops who spoke to Partlow described a scene far more distressing than the talk you’ll find in the Weekly Standard or Joe Lieberman’s press releases. The article quotes Maj. Eric Timmerman, the battalion’s operations officer, describing the descent of Sadiyah: “It’s just a slow, somewhat government-supported sectarian cleansing.”

Sounds like another troop for Limbaugh and the right to smear.

And what does government-supported sectarian cleansing look like? A bit like this:

The focus of the battalion’s efforts in Sadiyah was to develop the Iraqi security forces into an organized, fair and proficient force — but the American soldiers soon realized this goal was unattainable. The sectarian warfare in Sadiyah was helped along by the Wolf Brigade, a predominantly Shiite unit of the Iraqi National Police that tolerated, and at times encouraged, Mahdi Army attacks against Sunnis, according to U.S. soldiers and residents. The soldiers endured repeated bombings of their convoys within view of police checkpoints. During their time here, they have arrested 70 members of the national police for collaboration in such attacks and other crimes.

The Interior Ministry, which oversees the national police, has said that officials are working hard to root out militiamen from the force and denied that officers have any intention of participating in sectarian violence.

But in one instance about two months ago, the American soldiers heard that the Wolf Brigade planned to help resettle more than 100 Shiite families in abandoned houses in the neighborhood. When platoon leader Lt. Brian Bifulco arrived on the scene, he noticed that “abandoned houses to them meant houses that had Sunnis in them.”

“What we later found out is they weren’t really moving anyone in, it was a cover for the INP to go in and evict what Sunni families were left there,” recalled Bifulco, 23, a West Point graduate from Huntsville, Ala. “We showed up, and there were a bunch of Sunni families just wandering around the streets with their bags, taking up refuge in a couple Sunni mosques in the area.”

Staff Sgt. Richard McClary, a section leader from Buffalo said the American people don’t fully realize what’s going on — it’s worse than we’re led to believe.

“They just know back there what the higher-ups here tell them. But the higher-ups don’t go anywhere, and actually they only go to the safe places, places with a little bit of gunfire,” he said. “They don’t ever [expletive] see what we see on the ground.”

Well it seems that you were able to recall enough about the “phony soldiers” issue that you refer to it more than once in your post.

However for most of the rest of the world the claim you are making as to the object of the Rush remark, has been determined to be a fake soldier who only served 44 days in the Army and is now in jail for falsifying records about his military status.

In short your interpretation has been disproven.

My goodness how did you miss that small item that this even after a letter from Harry Reid generated an online sale for charity that resulted in a combined donation by the winning bidder and the matching donation by Rush resulted in over $4 million dollars going to a worthy charity.

  • . . . and how many did Dubya actually show up? or spend in theater?

    and how about this reality check, HowAboutARealityCheck: Rush also said Rep. Murtha, a decorated vet, was among those “phony soldiers,” so I don’t think Drug Rush gets off the hook quite that easily.

    The simple fact is the war was ginned up through lies and then planned incompetently by civilian “leadership.” Now, good men and women in uniform are being used as expendable pawns for the sole purpose of allowing BushCo to get out of office without having to actually admit their errors. I have relatives there and if the choice is Bush admits he’s a f**k-up and my nephews come home alive versus Bush skates and they come home in bags, well that’s kind of an easy choice for me.


  • On October 27th, 2007 at 9:25 am, TheRealityCheck’sIntheMail said:
    blah blah blah, drug-addled hypocrite blah blah blah did not edit the transcript and the tapes, blah blah blah I’ll think what Rush tells me to think blah blah…

    The subject of the post is that a number of American soldiers after more than a year in Iraq are concluding that they provided cover for slow-motion ethnic cleansing and that the situation where they are isn’t getting better.

    I’m more than certain, though, that you will support these troops when your hero and the rest of the smear machine assails their intelligence, their patriotism and their veracity.

  • How many days did you ever serve in uniform, “HowAboutARealityCheck”??? My bet is – from 40 years of experience with you scum, that it wasn’t 44 hours, you fucking coward. Every time I ever spoke as an antiwar Vietnam vet, some halfwit like you would start accusing me of treason. When I asked when your forebear was going to quite school and go down to volunteer, since he was obviously such a committed patriot, the little turd shut his mouth.

    Actually, you and your fellow failed brownshirts probably couldn’t get in since even today’s action Army doesn’t want the obvious psychopaths.

  • Oh, please. Someone points out that you lefties are still pushing the flat out lie about the “phony soldiers” incident and all you can do in response is put on a display of outrage not even related to the fact you’re still lying about it. Tiresome in the extreme.

  • Bill B – you mean “unrelated” like Reality Check’s response to a post about today’s WaPo article about totally different soldiers slamming on conditions in Iraq?

    Seems you’d rather try to defend Drug Rush by parsing his language than actually address the serious substantive issues raised by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion. Somehow I’m not surprised.

  • And I’m totally shocked that you’re still trying to avoid the point; that you people continue lying about what Limbaugh said. That was the point of his post, remember?

  • The point of the program, Bill-o, was to insinuate that one can only be a “real soldier” if they are willing to blindly follow the psychophantic bally-hoo of Rush the Doper. To challenge Rush’s invented reality is, by default, to be a “phony soldier.” The topic was preselected, the script for the show was pre-written, and given that the caller supporting Rush’s point of view was in an environment with background noise literally identical to the background noise in Rush’s studio, I’d be willing to bet that the “call-in supporter” was not only pre-arranged—but in the studio with Rush at the time of the call. Limbaugh’s been caught doing staged call-ins before; maybe you can give everyone here a really good reason to believe that “this call” was any different….

  • Ok I will try again. I attempted to answer a few minutes ago but the post seems to have not made it through and I will try again. Please excuse me if the other shows up out of moderation or something.

    What does it matter how many days Rush did or did not serve, it has no bearing on the matter. We have representatives who each year decided which weapons will be funded and issues about the military who never served a day.

    At least Rush has been to Afghanistan which is more than even some of them can say.

    How many days does an average President spend in theater during any war?

    How many days did Johnson spend in VietNam, or Nixion, or Kennedy?

    How many days did Clinton spend in Bosnia? Or Regan in anywhere or Bush Sr in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

    The Rush phony soldier remark was made in context of Murtha’s failure to adhere to the officers code of conduct even if retired to allow the justice system of the military to do its work and not make premature judgments as to the guilt or innocence of the Hadita Marines. If you had heard his comment in the context it was made this would be readily apparent.

    The decision to go to war was made by many parties including those who voted to approve the Authorization to Use Military force. The best available information and intelligence assessments were use by all to come to those conclusions.

    If intelligence proved faulty by later events, that is a mistake, not a lie.

    A lie is a willful deception. Faulty judgments were made based on best know facts but that does not make it a lie.

    President Bush has admitted errors were made and tactics have been reviewed and
    adjusted and approved by Congress with continued funding and confirmation of senior personnel newly designated to conduct military coordination and prosecution of the war in progress.

    No matter who is Commander in Chief and no matter how much support or opposition there is to a given war, people will perish in wartime. That is a fact. That also is why it is so important to make the best judgment before committing troops to battle and doing the best possible to ensure best execution of the war that can be achieved.

    As to timing several things have come together besides a change in tactics to reach where we are today.

    Ok I will try again. I attempted to answer a few minutes ago but the post seems to have not made it through and I will try again. Please excuse me if the other shows up out of moderation or something.

    What does it matter how many days Rush did or did not serve, it has no bearing on the matter. We have representatives who each year decided which weapons will be funded and issues about the military who never served a day.

    At least Rush has been to Afghanistan which is more than even some of them can say.

    How many days does an average President spend in theater during any war?

    How many days did Johnson spend in VietNam, or Nixion, or Kennedy?

    How many days did Clinton spend in Bosnia? Or Regan in anywhere or Bush Sr in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

    The Rush phony soldier remark was made in context of Murtha’s failure to adhere to the officers code of conduct even if retired to allow the justice system of the military to do its work and not make premature judgments as to the guilt or innocence of the Hadita Marines. If you had heard his comment in the context it was made this would be readily apparent.

    The decision to go to war was made by many parties including those who voted to approve the Authorization to Use Military force. The best available information and intelligence assessments were use by all to come to those conclusions.

    If intelligence proved faulty by later events, that is a mistake, not a lie.

    A lie is a willful deception. Faulty judgments were made based on best know facts but that does not make it a lie.

    President Bush has admitted errors were made and tactics have been reviewed and adjusted and approved by Congress with continued funding and confirmation of senior personnel newly designated to conduct military coordination and prosecution of the war in progress.

    No matter who is Commander in Chief and no matter how much support or opposition there is to a given war, people will perish in wartime. That is a fact. That also is why it is so important to make the best judgment before committing troops to battle and doing the best possible to ensure best execution of the war that can be achieved.

    As to timing several things have come together besides a change in tactics to reach where we are today.

    locals finally had suffered enough damage to rise up and defend themselves from AQI and became willing to provide intelligence on AQI and no longer offer them safe haven.

    Local troops and police have reached critical numbers of trained personnel

    Our surge in troops combined with local forces have reached numbers enough to clear and hold areas to deny AQI refuge.

    Bush is not my hero , but he is the President and Commander and Chief as others were I have served under.

    Those who served with or under me would likely dispute your characterization you made of me as a coward without even knowing me personally or any thing at all about me.

    Oh and just what led you to the medical diagnosis of my mental state or should I possibly be correct in saying you may be a “phony physician”.

    The phony soldiers issue is related if the author titles the article he is posting to suggest that the soldiers he is talking about fall under the same classification as the original wrongly characterized soldier Rush was talking about as his article relates.

    So the title labeling and the Rush reference ties it all together.

  • First it did not post then it double mixed somehow.

    I hope all can determine my intent.

  • #10 Reality wrote: If intelligence proved faulty by later events, that is a mistake, not a lie.

    A lie is a willful deception. Faulty judgments were made based on best know facts but that does not make it a lie…

    No matter who is Commander in Chief and no matter how much support or opposition there is to a given war, people will perish in wartime. That is a fact. That also is why it is so important to make the best judgment before committing troops to battle and doing the best possible to ensure best execution of the war that can be achieved.

    Reality: you won’t get an argument from me about the generalities you stated above. BUT, the bush admin DID willfully deceive (ie LIE) about the reasons for war, and has admitted to it in part. The admin is not the only culpable party here. The admin did NOT make the best judgment before committing troops to battle nor did they make any plans for the aftermath of the invasion.

    What often crosses my mind when I listen to W (mostly in the 2004 campaign) is that he talks in broad generalities that pretty much everyone could agree with. Who is going to argue that we need to defeat terrorism? That we need to make the world safe? Etc, etc. What was NOT said was how this administration’s policies are/were, in fact, taking us in the OPPOSITE direction.

    Oh, and by the way, Rush’s comments were NOT taken out of context. Limbaugh is a coward, a liar, and has contempt for most of us. He insults our intelligence for sure.

  • Our surge in troops combined with local forces have reached numbers enough to clear and hold areas to deny AQI refuge.

    Bush’s war CREATED AQI. So color me unimpressed.

    And re the idiot topic of Slush Limpbrain’s highly offensive comments: Most of us on this site followed the issue and watched the original statement, with the original context, being edited and re-spun by the dishonest bloviator in real time. As lovely an example of historical rewriting as you could wish to find outside of 1984.

    Just as we watched that other dishonest bloviator spinning us up to his Iraq war with a similar emotion of shocked disbelief. The phony evidence cooked up to bamboozle the country into that misbegotten effort was almost all being debunked within days, sometimes days or hours of the assertions, something most of us also watched in real time. We knew we were being lied to, and watched in open-jawed amazement as so many of you fell for it. Why did you fall for it? I don’t know. But that experience was searingly real, and repeated far too many times in ways large and small ever since for your invitation to join the KoolAid drinkers to have the remotest prayer of success. It’s not going to be met with anything but derision here, and for good reason.

    Dear god, man (or woman), do you really not care that you’re being lied to by these people? The only people they have more contempt for than “liberals” is their own sheeplike followers. I commend Bob Altermeyer’s work on The Authoritarians to your attention. Particularly the bit on the relation between authoritarian followers and their leaders: …Furthermore, while the followers may feel admiration bordering on adoration of their leaders, we should not be surprised if the leaders feel a certain contempt for their followers. They are the suckers, the “marks,” the fools social dominators find so easy to manipulate…

  • #12 Rush was taken out of context. Rush did make one error when he stated full transcript which Media Matters jumped on.

    Rush had been talking all week leading up to the show that started it all.
    A caller started talking about the war issues and Rush determined he was a “seminar caller” claiming to be a republican but who was actually an anti-war person who posed as something else to get past the screener.

    Then Rush got a call where the phony soldier was used in the context of those that appear out of no where like Jesse MacBeth the soldier who made false claims.

    After the phony soldier flap started Rush rebutted with playback and transcripts of the caller with the incident.

    What transpired was a play back of the caller important parts (followed by a gap of about a minute where they discussed IED’s which was not germane to the phony soldier issue) followed by a replay of the prior day morning update which was a recording of his commentary on Jesse MacBeth the one Rush characterized as a phony soldier.

    This is as it occurred during the rebuttal show with only the non essential minute about the IED’s left out.

    Rush has a third party firm employed that has done a full historical audit of his show content from day one and he has a fact based 98.5% correct record which is far an above any other radio broadcaster. Rush clearly and early provides corrections on air as soon as any errors are noted. They are not buried or hidden in small print on his website but are clearly displayed and boldly announced if an error should occur. He never sweeps errors under the rug in any way shape or form.

    You may say he is a coward and you are welcome to that opinion. But he has been to Afghanistan a few years back when the war there was a hot shooting war even more than now so that speaks for something. He does not back down in the face of intimidation by for example Harry Reid carrying the false agenda of the phony soldier incident. Media Matters this site and only a few other left of center blogs are the main group of sources that still persist in this incorrect information. Your opinion may differ and that is fine. But even strong left of center blogs have dropped the issue after reading and fairly evaluating the issue in full.

  • #13 Bush’s war is your term. The war was approved by a bipartisan vote in congress. The are american troops not Bush’s troops. America is at war not just Bush.

    All evidence to support the war was the best available intelligence at the time of the presentation. Exactly which evidence can you point to that was false and manufactured.

    I will not accept intel that was wrong but believed to be correct from multiple sources. Give me an example of something that has been proven to be known false information that was presented as otherwise.

    I am no KoolAid drinker as you attempt to classify me as I am open to proof of some information that was a documented proven falsification.

    Errors did occur there is no doubt of that but no falsification that I am aware of. Please let me know of what I may have missed.

    I believe you stated what you mostly work on emotion. You had a different opinion and were emotional about it simply because it did not fit your framing of the situation.

    It seems by your world view that the dummie Bush was able to have Saddam play into his hands and for even leading Democrats to agree with his position even before he was elected to office as well as during the debate to go to war. He managed to convince the entire world community and the United Nations as well.

    Not to bad for a dummie.

  • Nigerian yellowcake, reality—Nigerian yellowcake is the key. Bush based the war on evidence of Saddam Hussein attempting to acquire Nigerian yellowcake for uranium extraction. this was disproven prior to his declaratives to the People; prior to his brash assertations before the Congress; prior to his pontificating before the General Assembly of the United Nations.

    But he made the claims, all the same. He made those claims with invented evidence; subsequent expeditions to Nigeria have shown conclusively that the “yellowcake” evidence did not originate in Nigeria. The first evidence of this “dangerous revelation” came from the WH and the Naval Observatory.
    Carl Rove knew about this so-called “evidence” before any foreign-stationed intelligence service did—including the CIA.

    “Nigerian yellowcake” was a political concoction with but one purpose: to serve as a recipe for war.

    This is not about “mistakes made;” rather, it is about a cacophony of lies and deceits, invented solely for the purpose of employing military aggression as a means of profit.

  • Ah the old yellowcake canard.

    For starters Bush claimed it was from somewhere in Africa not the old yellow cake road old Joe keeps wanting to walk.

    But lets go with that just for grins.

    Even Joe doesn’t say bought which is what the left keeps trying to say the word was sought…like preliminary to buying. Some seem not to grasp the difference. But anyhow lets examine this a bit further.

    Saddam already had a lot of yellow cake under seal he got it somewhere…any guesses

    Lybia had 2300 tons of the stuff when they gave up their program…Kmart Blue light special I guess

    Pakistan had enough to develop multiple Nuke weapons..shucks Kmart sure was a busy place

    2003 Syria started building the building that is no longer there…..who was in charge of WMD proliferation for the CIA then?
    Could it be dear Ms Plame? Durn punked by both Lybia and Syria but what the heck it’s only nuke weapons programs…like isn’t that her job?

    Yellow cake want some…easy and I don’t mean Kmart just head on over to Democratic Republic of Congo. It is so plentiful there that farmers plowing their fields put the rocks they find on the sides of the fields to get them out of the way, and guess what it is raw unprocessed yellowcake.

    Amazing how that works.

    It really is only a side issue. The war was authorized over violation of the sanctions and resolutions at the UN a fact some wish to drop down the memory hole because it seems to fit in the class of inconvient truth.

    Yup all those lies which none of you seem to be able to document.

    Profit..wow and all the Democrats keep shouting were trillions in the hole on this.

    Oh I get it Halliburton..haven’t you guys worn that joke out yet..well yes you have it’s BlackWater now. Hey coach are we gonna get our goal posts back in time for the rest of the season.

  • As to the soldiers in the story above they are welcome to their opinion but I qualify that they are only able to offer that opinion about the area in particular where they have served.

    For example it is well documented that other areas of Iraq and even Baghdad are in much better shape than that area.

    All will be addressed in time.

    I also note that it is coincidental that this is the same unit where one Scott Thomas Beauchamp is assigned to.

    Just a data point nothing more.

  • Seems to me if you were truely concerned with the well being of our servicemen, you would have written a nasty letter to Mrs. Pelosi before she insisted on poking a stick in the Turkish eye, daring them to come join the war on the wrong side.
    This letter would have been followed up by strongly worded blog critiques of the democratic congress in general.
    A quick search finds none of the above.

  • HowAboutARealityCheck –

    How does that blood on your hands feel, buddy? It’s the blood you and your leader, George Bush, have spilt in Iraq.

    Hey, according to your buddy Rush (a drug addicted, several time divorced, draft dodging class warrior), I’m one of the “enemy.”

    I’ve heard it too many times on his show, that those people like me, who oppose the corrupt Republicans that currently occupy the Whitehouse are the enemy.

    Well, go ahead and defend Rush all you like, but I’d like to quote Dick Cheney to you, some words he shared with Senator Leahy on the Senate floor, remember?

    I am an ordinary American, and I knew that the invasion of Iraq was a huge mistake before it happened. And for your information, the bi-partisan vote that gave Bush authority to take military action was intended to get (listen closely):

    WMD INSPECTORS INTO IRAQ!!!!!!

    And it worked. But Bush wouldn’t take “yes” for an answer. The “Downing Street Memos” and the recent transcript of a private talk between President George W. Bush and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar on February 22, 2003, concerning the coming U.S. invasion of Iraq demonstrate the lies of George W. Bush (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003646639).

    You are pathetic.

  • First off, Rush Limbaugh is just a conservative shock jock. He will say whatever he thinks will get him listeners and media attention.

    His attacks against liberals, the media, and everyone else who doesn’t share his worldview isn’t any different than Howard Stern pissing off the FCC and social conservatives.

    A sportswriter for the LA Times decided this season to not only criticize my Nebraska Cornhuskers, but also completely trash talk about Nebraskans as a whole. Just to get a rise out of people here. Rush does the same thing when he’s on the air every day.

    Why just offer a counterpoint to Michael J. Fox on stem cells, when you can make fun of him by flailing your arms around?

    Why just criticize about Donvovan McNabb’s playing, when you can bring race into the issue?

    I’ve gotten tired of getting mad at this person, because it’s a waste of my time and effort. But I still need to get some cheap shots aimed at him.

    Yes, he did go to Afghanistan. In 2005, when the level of stability was far better than it is today. Have I ever been to Afghanistan? No I haven’t, but just because Rush has doesn’t mean you award the guy a fucking CIB (of which I have one, BTW).

    And who the hell was this Jesse Macbeth character before he became part of this bruhaha? What major media sources was he interviewed by? I, and many others, have never even heard of him before Limbaugh said anything. It that’s what he meant by “phony soldiers”, then fine, he wasn’t attacking US troops. He was nutpicking.

    As for Scott Thomas Beauchamp, CB covered this topic yesterday or Thursday, and it seems that the Army probably FUBARed this one:
    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/newmedia/la-et-rutten27oct27,1,1734203.column?coll=la-headlines-business-enter

    “The Rush phony soldier remark was made in context of Murtha’s failure to adhere to the officers code of conduct even if retired to allow the justice system of the military to do its work and not make premature judgments as to the guilt or innocence of the Hadita Marines.”

    Jack Murtha was wrong to accuse these Marines before the fact, and Rush should have come up with a nickname for the Congressman, like “Representative Betrayus”.
    Oh wait, he already used that for the Republican Senator (and decorated Vietnam vet) from the state of Nebraska, Chuck Hagel. Sorry, my bad.

    And what “third party firm” does he use, NewsMax? Current Events? Free Republic?

  • “I will not accept intel that was wrong but believed to be correct from multiple sources. Give me an example of something that has been proven to be known false information that was presented as otherwise.”

    Not false, just not solid. The CIA and other intel services believed that Saddam may still have had chemical and biological stockpiles in 2002, but no one seemed to have any proof or solid evidence that is was true.

    And there is no solid evidence directly linking Iraq with bin Laden’s al Qaeda. There was some attempt by bin Laden to establish ties with Saddam in the 1990s, but nothing came of it. Saddam basically said “screw that noise” to any possible alliance with bin Laden.

    This apparent lack of solid intelligence didn’t prevent the administration from finding the information they were looking for, however. In 2002, the Office of Special Plans was created to critique assessments by the intelligence community concerning Iraq. From the information that has come out, this group had a tendency to reach conclusions that were more damning of Saddam than the CIA and others were. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

    So is it correct to say that the administration lied about Iraq?
    Probably not.
    Did they reach conclusions with the raw data that suited their needs?
    Most likely, yes.

    “For starters Bush claimed it was from somewhere in Africa not the old yellow cake road old Joe keeps wanting to walk.”

    It was the OVP that inquired about yellow cake coming from Niger. Is there any evidence showing the OVP or CIA looking into other sources?

    “Saddam already had a lot of yellow cake under seal he got it somewhere…any guesses”

    Probably legally from anyone, considering he purchased the uranium before 1991 ( and which remained under IAEI surveillance after that time)

    “Lybia had 2300 tons of the stuff when they gave up their program…Kmart Blue light special I guess”

    Ah, Libya,… invade your neighbor Chad, attack US warplanes, bomb discos in West Germany, blow up Pan Am 103, support terrorism, then turn over what one US official called the “clown prince of WMD programs” and all is forgiven.
    And still, they haven’t met their obligations:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/13/wlibya113.xml
    Where’s the White House’s call to arms against them, huh?

    “Could it be dear Ms Plame? Durn punked by both Lybia and Syria but what the heck it’s only nuke weapons programs…like isn’t that her job?”

    Well, considering that prior to July of 2003 her job at the CIA was something of a secret, who knows what she knew and didn’t? I’m sure she was aware of both of those countries’ programs, or lack thereof.

    “The war was authorized over violation of the sanctions and resolutions at the UN a fact some wish to drop down the memory hole because it seems to fit in the class of inconvient truth.”

    So there weren’t inspectors in Iraq before the invasion? No one named Hans Blix?

    “Profit..wow and all the Democrats keep shouting were trillions in the hole on this.”

    Because we are trillions (both spent and projected) in the whole on this, hate to break that to you.

    “Oh I get it Halliburton..haven’t you guys worn that joke out yet..well yes you have it’s BlackWater now. Hey coach are we gonna get our goal posts back in time for the rest of the season.”

    Hey, if you want these companies to overcharge taxpayer money, knock yourself out, slick.
    Me, I’d like a little oversite on how the private sector spends MY money in Iraq. Call me crazy.

  • Apparently Valerie Plame is not made of the same stuff as Matt Damon, because he went ballistic when Angelina outed him as CIA. In the Joseph Wilson house he said he worked for the CIA. Another Phony baloney.

    I guess the Army of 44 days doesn’t care what kind of Intel they get.

    It doesn’t surprise me that the only people they recognize are those who have not served or those who are misfits. Never do they quote the vast majority of those who do and have served. Only the piqued pusillanimous type!

    Even Senator Joseph McCarthy served as a Marine Captain on Guadalcanal. While at the same time Edward R Morrow was in the rear with the gear and the beer as a civilian in a bomb shelter reporting about the bombing of England, not too bad for a liberal.

    Yes! Liberal have their assignment, they march to a different drummer, do they play fife and drums, one can only tell.

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