Mukasey to honor the ‘get out of jail free’ card the administration gave itself

Attorney General Michael Mukasey has been kind enough to share some fascinating insights with the House Judiciary Committee today on an administration that believes it can immunize itself from law breaking. Seriously.

Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) explained to the AG that several administration officials have acknowledged in recent days that the Bush administration subjected at least three detainees to waterboarding. Because waterboarding is torture, and torture is illegal, Conyers asked Mukasey whether he’s now “ready to start a criminal investigation.”

“No, I am not,” was the direct answer.

His reasoning was a repeat of his answer to Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) last week. The CIA waterboarded those detainees with the authorization of a Justice Department legal opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel. So the Justice Department “cannot possibly” investigate, he said, U.S. employees for an act they committed on the basis of Justice Department advice. Such an action, he explained, would send a message that interrogators could no longer safely rely on that advice going forward.

In the same hearing, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) pointed out that the president had authorized an unlawful warrantless wiretapping program, and inquired as to whether this was an example of the president breaking the law.

Well, Mukasey said, the President had ordered that on the advice of the Justice Department that it was lawful. So, just as he will not initiate an investigation of waterboarding since the DoJ had given its OK, he will also not investigate whether the warrantless wiretapping was lawful, since it was legal, because the DoJ said it was (“there are views on both sides of that” he acknowledged).

Mukasey also went back to correct his statement during last week’s hearing that he “didn’t know” if the President had ordered the warrantless wiretapping outside the law. Silly me, he said, of course it was legal — it was authorized by the DoJ.

I suspect this all seems rather routine at this point — what a surprise, Bush’s AG is unwilling to consider Bush’s illegalities — but we shouldn’t rush past this too quickly.

Both the administration’s torture policies and the administration’s illegal surveillance policies were cleared by the Office of Legal Counsel in Bush’s Justice Department. David Kurtz explains exactly what Mukasey argued before lawmakers today.

We have now the Attorney General of the United States telling Congress that it’s not against the law for the President to violate the law if his own Department of Justice says it’s not.

It is as brazen a defense of the unitary executive as anything put forward by the Administration in the last seven years, and it comes from an attorney general who was supposed to be not just a more professional, but a more moderate, version of Alberto Gonzales (Thanks to Democrats like Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer for caving on the Mukasey nomination.).

President Bush has now laid down his most aggressive challenge to the very constitutional authority of Congress. It is a naked assertion of executive power. The founders would have called it tyrannical. His cards are now all on the table. This is no bluff.

Quite right. I’d only add that this entirely accurate description of the administration’s breathtaking abuse of power is the natural conclusion of the Bush gang’s self-immunization philosophy.

The purpose of the OLC’s review process is to collect legal guidance about courses of prospective policies an administration might want to pursue. Under the Bush administration, however, OLC review became a waiver of immunity for breaking the law. From Jeff Rosen’s profile of Jack Goldsmith: “[T]he office has two important powers: the power to put a brake on aggressive presidential action by saying no and, conversely, the power to dispense what Goldsmith calls ‘free get-out-of jail cards’ by saying yes. Its opinions, he writes in his book, are the equivalent of ‘an advance pardon’ for actions taken at the fuzzy edges of criminal laws.”

Recall that after the news of the August 1, 2002 OLC torture memo broke, then-AG John Ashcroft testified to the Senate that “There is no presidential order immunizing torture.” Maybe not from the president. But according to Goldsmith’s account, immunization from prosecution is the elephant in the room when administration lawyers discussed in 2002 what CIA interrogators could lawfully do to al-Qaeda and Taliban detainees.

I’m fairly certain impeachment was developed for situations like these.

well. i dont want to be President or Supreme Court justice, those are puny positions. I want to be AG or the lead attorney in OLC. That’s where the real power is. “I opine – which is Latin for ‘pulled it out of my ass’ – that women entering family planning clinics or blacks entering majority-white high schools can be shot on sight.”

Not a problem, right? I mean, if the OLC opines it, no one can prosecute to the contrary.

Someone needs to ask Mikey where the line is on this one, and then pass me the popcorn.

  • What’s the text message short hand for pounding your head on the table?

    20 January 2009 can’t come too soon.

  • Is it out of line to suggest that maybe the Department of Justice’s role is to ferret out JUDICIAL decisions based on precedent in order to advise the president?

    Where none apply, such questions should be sent to the judicial branch to get one.
    Interpreting whether something is legal or not has its own entirely separate branch. Are we getting a clue as to why that might be?

    Is the old saw: “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.” no longer valid even when you have million dollar dream team lawyers who supposedly cover your tail?

  • When a Government breaks its own laws, and then declared itself free from prosecution on the grounds that the unlawful actions were deemed to be wholly lawful—by that same Government—then the defining term of the action is Tyranny—and the history of the world knows of no such thing as a Tyrant who chose to lay aside his absolute power, or the merely imagined existence of that absolute power, without at least facing the very real probability of both Tyrant and Power being rejected and cast down through force of arms.

  • We absolutely, positively have to DEMAND that Clinton and Obama pledge on everything they hold sacred that they will investigate the unlawful actions of the Bush administration, that they will make available all the records that don’t have legitimate security reasons for being withheld and that they will prosecute lawbreakers to the fullest extent.

    I’m assuming that Bush will give out wholesale pardons for everyone before he leaves office. Does anyone know for sure whether the recipient of a presidential pardon can still be compelled to appear before a grand jury or a congressional hearing and whether they can be subject to contempt or perjury charges?

  • Omar…sweetie…just in case you are not being ironic…I cant wait to see the volumes listing the pardons Georgie boy will be issuing during his last week in the Oval Office. Assuming of course he doesnt barricade himself in there with a shotgun and a case of JD.

  • And now you know why so many of us were screaming about Mukasey; the Gonzales resignation did nothing but remove a dim-witted and ineffective toady to make way for a smarter proponent of unitary authority who could make sure there would be no more investigations, no more hearings. Mukasey put an end to the disarray of the Gonzales DOJ, which was allowing Democrats to breach the inner sanctum of power – Gonzales had to go because we were too close to getting somewhere with all the investigations, and they had to have someone to stop it.

    Enter Mukasey, the implacable, no-nonsense force field who would ensure that no one pays for what they’ve done. Well, no one but us and the democracy – but these are just details. Why any Democratic Senator thought that a man who was on Rudy Giuliani’s campaign team would be “independent” or “speak truth to power” I will never understand. Is there something in the air or the water that renders what are supposed to be smart people totally clueless to what is so obvious with a few clicks on the Google and an afternoon with C-SPAN?

    First thing I would do if I were elected president is take a good look at the OLC, and figure out how to take away, or at least put some kind of check on, its power to issues memos and opinions that have the force of statute – which they do. It’s a miniature legislative machine that the president has all to himself – and this president’s OLC staff were instructed from Day One to seek every opportunity to expand and strengthen executive power – and that’s what they did.

    I may never forgive Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table; I suspect it was the only way she could prevent highly damaging information from coming out that would show that she– along with the other members of the Gang of Eight – were up to their eyeballs in signing off on torture and illegal surveillance activities. I’d say it was shameful, but I don’t think any of them understand what that means.

  • *sigh*. It may be a hopeless hope, but I do hope that the next president, whomever he/she is, engages in a proper investigation and prosecution of this administration.

    I mean, damn, we spend our lives learning about the horrors of oppressive regimes, who torture and kill people, and about spy societies who gathered data on their own citizens to persecute them, and then, when it happens under our own watch, we ignore it???

    Nicely, the field is set up for investigation and prosecution. Without a conviction, dubya’s hands are tied– he can’t pardon any of his partners in treason (and worse), because none of them have been convicted of anything!

    So, please, next January 20th, at about say 12:01, let’s hear the new president announce a comprehensive investigation by special prosecutors into the innumerable crimes against this country and humanity which the current occupants have committed.

  • These are the people we should have a problem with. Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer, they cave to Bush when they knew this is what would happen. They suck more than Harry Reid.

  • Steven Aftergood of “Secrecy News” has published a piece on what we can look forward to in terms of presidential accountability and secrecy. Worth a look: it offers questions we should be asking presidential candidates.

  • FLASHBACK: Time to give another shout out to the 10 Democrats who helped confirm Mukasey:

    Schumer (D-NY) – biggest Mukasey fan.
    Biden (D-DE) – opposed him, but too busy
    Clinton (D-NY) – opposed him, but too busy
    Dodd (D-CT) – opposed him, but too busy
    Obama (D-IL) – opposed him, but too busy
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Nelson (D-NE)

  • Forget impeachment since it ain’t gonna happen.

    My question concerns the statute of limitations.

    Won’t the statute of limitations still be open when a new AG takes over next year?

    If President Bush had ordered the murder of Senator Clinton or Reid and the AG and the Justice Department said it was legal then the current AG wouldn’t launch an investigation.

    However, the new AG would obviously know that a crime was ‘potentially’ committed and would open an investigation to see if criminal charges were appropriate?

    I am not saying that a jury or judge would find the people who waterboarded guilty at a fair trial. But it seems that there will be a reasonable basis to start a criminal investigation next January.

    Am I nuts??

  • Updated FLASHBACK: Time to give another shout out to the 10 Democrats who helped confirm Mukasey:

    Schumer (D-NY) – biggest Mukasey fan.
    Biden (D-DE) – opposed him, but too busy
    Clinton (D-NY) – opposed him, but too busy
    Dodd (D-CT) – opposed him, but too busy
    Obama (D-IL) – opposed him, but too busy
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Feinstein (D-CA) – Mukasey’s secret lover
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Nelson (D-NE)

  • Neither Pelosi nor Conyers will do anything about this. Bush could throw them over a chair in the oval office and rape them and they would still do nothing. The people of this country have to stand back from the threat of torture and rendition and watch our cowardly reps make all Bush’s lawless behavior legal. From signing statements to build permanent bases in Iraq to immunity for illegal wiretapping and torture we are forced to endure this shame because our leaders will not hold them accountable. The politicization of the justice department is complete…Bush can do anything he likes with regard for consequences because they are off the table, and all has been pre-approved by AG Mukasey (thanks Feinstein and Schumer).
    This is waiting for a new president to correct and finally hold these people accountable (unless Obama gets in and says no accountability for “bad actors” ) Justice and accountability are not the same as revenge or partisanship. How is this different from a dictatorship…the dictator’s hand just hasn’t been forced yet?
    All eyes are on the campaign while our democracy is being stolen away using the same formula used by fascists dictators in the past. Finally, a Justice department under the control of the dictator and together they control not only the law but all those who would enforce it.

  • Notice that this is the same excuse that the White House is using for why telecom immunity is necessary. The telcos were told by the Justice Department that what they were doing was legal, so it would be wrong to prosecute them for it. So there you go – it’s okay if the Justice Department says it’s okay. A legal principle that I’m sure every Republican will stand 100% behind when the next President takes office.

  • While everyone is busy watching the presidential primaries, the Bush gang of thugs are letting yet another cat out of the bag. They can torture and spy on anyone, and who cares? Will it be Obama or Hillary or will it be McCain? Who cares? Apparently they are all complicit in this outrageous piece of treason. No special prosecutor? No investigation? No everyone just watch the primary election and remember that if anything gets too out of hand, the super-delegates will right the ship of state.

    Excuse me while I mourn for our lost constitutional democracy. Where are our courageous leaders? Won’t anyone fight for the people?

  • Won’t the statute of limitations still be open when a new AG takes over next year?
    that there will be a reasonable basis to start a criminal investigation next January.

    Am I nuts??

    We’ve talked about this before neil – you’re not nuts but nothing will happen.

    The Congress won’t open investigations under Bush – why would they under a new President?

    Obama is running on a “Unity” ticket – a “let’s put the past behind us and worry about the future” ticket. The Village isn’t going to let him open investigations even if he had the inclination (which he’s given no evidence that he does).

    Clinton has no more incentive to investigate Bush Jr. than her husband did to investigate Bush Sr. She has less, actually, because some of the things done during Bush’s tenure were done on her watch when she was supposed to be part of the crew administering the “checks and balances”.

    Now, if the new AG find something extreme (like Bush ordering a “hit” on a political enemy) then yes, I could see that being enough to push things forward. But it would be more likely to be dealt with out of the public eye to “avoid the public humiliation of a former President.”

    Once Bush is gone there will be a strong push to “move forward” and “deal with problems” and “put the past behind us”. No investigations. And the architects of this madness will be allowed to fester for another couple of decades and come back and do it to use again. It’s happened twice before (post-Nixon, post-Bush the Elder) – why should the third time be any different?

  • so the larger implication is that one can’t be prosecuted if legal counsel gave you advice that what you’re doing is not illegal? i’d like to see if that would stand up in court.

  • Yet another way the Rabid Right keeps wanting to refight the Vietnam War: they want to retroactively change the verdict Lt. Calley got when he used the “just following orders” defense.

    Because to the Rabid Right, there is no higher value than just following orders. Its what Congress should do when the President or Vice President says so. Its what we should do when God gives orders through Pat Robertson to shun gays. Its what Mike Huckabee says women should do for men. Its what suspected criminals should do when told to confess, whether they committed the crime or not. Its what sovereign nations should do when we say they should bomb people to show if they are with us or against us. Its what technology companies should do when told to spy on us. It is what we should do when the administration says to fear for our lives lest the brown people attack us. Its what workers should do when the boss says to falsify the time card or the citizenship documents. Its what chiefs of staff should do when asked to out a CIA agent — or to cover up that crime.

    Following orders is the ultimate test of loyalty for the Rabid Right. We certainly cant have that criminalized. People might actually end up thinking for themselves.

  • How is this any worse than Bill Clinton using the IRS Most Wanted List to find clients to sell his Pardons to?

    Seriously. You are all calling for investigations on this, but then you go an vote for Hillary? You don’t think that is a little hypocritical?

  • Neither Pelosi nor Conyers will do anything about this. Bush could throw them over a chair in the oval office and rape them and they would still do nothing.

    They should probably keep in touch with the Office of Legal Counsel, just to make sure Bush doesn’t get pre-approval. As long as he doesn’t then I’m sure they have nothing to worry about.

  • NonyNony:

    I guess I am nuts.

    I think it will be hard to repair our international reputation when we let people who torture get off without any punishment.

    Sure, no one will ever do that under MY administration but I won’t lift a finger to go after people who I KNOW broke the law.

    I thought laws were laws. I guess I was wrong

  • Um … so Mukasey admitted that the Bush administration broke the law, and did so because the DoJ and OLC said it was okay.

    Interesting.

    So who in Congress is going to stand up and say, “Um … the laws are written by Congress. Not the DoJ, nor the OLC. Thanks for the info!”

    And who, after saying that, is going to actually do something about it, since Mukasey just admitted that the Bush admin. broke the law?

    **crickets**

    We really need better Democrats.

  • Anne said:
    I may never forgive Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table; I suspect it was the only way she could prevent highly damaging information from coming out that would show that she– along with the other members of the Gang of Eight – were up to their eyeballs in signing off on torture and illegal surveillance activities. I’d say it was shameful, but I don’t think any of them understand what that means.

    We can’t do much to Harry Reid — he isn’t up for re-election until 2010 and we have very little say over who is elected majority leader. But Nancy Pelosi is up for election this year. We can work to keep her from being re-elected, or at least make her fight to keep her seat.

    Pelosi is counting on liberals and progressives having short memories and being so glad to see a Democrat back in the White House that we’ll be willing to allow the crimes of the Bush administration to fade into history. We can send a message to her and to the rest of the Democratic leadership that we aren’t going to forget or forgive their enabling of Bush’s power grab.

    Nancy Pelosi is being challenged for her House seat by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan. If you want to get Pelosi’s attention, make a donation to Cindy Sheehan’s campaign and let Pelosi’s office know why you did it. Don’t just sit there manipulating your mouse — DO SOMETHING!

    (I’ve mentioned this subject before. I don’t have any affiliation with Cindy Sheehan or her campaign.)

  • Seriously. You are all calling for investigations on this, but then you go an vote for Hillary? You don’t think that is a little hypocritical?

    Well, considering that:

    1. The first part of your post is a lie;

    2. Even if it were true, Hillary had nothing to do with it;

    3. Comparing pardons to authorizing TORTURE is like comparing the 1985 Bears to the last place team in my son’s Pop Warner league;

    4. Comparing pardons to VIOLATING THE 4TH AMENDMENT is like comparing the intellectual ability of Bush to that of a lowland gorilla (with the gorilla coming out on top)

    5. Your side spent six years of the 90s and $40 million investigating a blowjob;

    no … it would not be hypocritical. In fact, these investigations are what the Constitution demands, what the American people demand, and what simple decency demands.

    Now run along and … I dunno … advocate for the killing of more brown people … or fighting against health care for all Americans … or kicking puppies … or whatever the hell it is you wingnuts do.

  • Is this really any worse than Bill and Hillary selling Pardons?

    Some of you are such hypocrites. This is bad, but yet you still vote for Hillary?

    You realize that part of the revenue from selling those pardons is now going to fund her campaign?

  • Typical Clinton Apologists.

    booo hoooo, go investigate Bush. But please don’t look into us selling Pardons to the biggest tax evaders in our nation’s history.

    Time to turn the page on this crap. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Please Somebody New!!

  • hmmm. . . trolls with names that sound like the “from” line on the stuff in my spam filter every morning. odd.

    Steve, I guess the price of your increasing popularity is the quality of troll has diminished.

  • I’m not a Republican Troll.

    I want a Democrat to win the election.

    I want a president we can be proud of. A president we can trust.

    You want a president who will sell pardons and auction off white house furniture on ebay while her husband is in the backroom banging prostitutes.

    I am a real american. You are a Clinton Apologist.

  • hmmm. . . trolls with names that sound like the “from” line on the stuff in my spam filter every morning. odd.

    Actually, both groups contribute the same level of intelligent thought to our national discourse, and their claims are similarly accurate.

    So, in reality, it’s not that odd.

  • while you may be right about selling the furniture on eBay (I got some great deals on engraved silverware, by the way – and I can’t wait to bid on Bush’s optimistic rug), you are way over the line re Bill. with his charisma, I don’t think he ever had to pay for his sex.

    and while I may have been born a Clinton Apologist, I’ve been naturalized so I’m a real American, too (indeed, a much better one than you because I capitalize the A.)

  • I’m not a Republican Troll.

    Yet you read exactly like one.

    I want a Democrat to win the election.

    Then why are you undermining a very capable Democratic presidential candidate?

    I am a real american.

    Real Americans support their candidate by stating facts and discussing current issues, not by spreading lies and drudging up irrelevant trivia.

    You are a Clinton Apologist.

    No, I’m an Obama-voting liberal who would be really, really happy if certain Obama supporters stopped being clinically stupid twatcicles who post Rovian lies about Clinton all over the Intratubes.

  • Mark D@38 “twatcicles” – now there is a word that I just have to remember. Thanks for the word!!!

    Go Democrats!!! Be it Hillary or Obama – it will be one of them!!!! YEAHHH!!!!

  • Hillary is not a capable candidate. She is a criminal who belongs in jail for the murder of Vince Foster.

    Obama is our only choice. When will you see that FACT?

  • Schumer didn’t “cave in” on Mukasey. Schumer practically *vouched* for this upstanding citizen’s integrity and impartiality. I remember that, because that’s what made Schumer different from the rest. And that’s what may have swayed the others, I think. Or, at least, it gave them the cover — if a good, reliable Dem like Schumer says so, it must be so…

    Mark D, @38,
    I second sduffys, @39; “twatcicles” are *priceless* 🙂 English is such a wonderful language for making up new words!

  • Mark D said:
    “twatcicles”

    Um… Mark, ‘twat’ or it’s even more vile synonym are words that are only used by knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.

    greg stackem said:
    Hillary is not a capable candidate. She is a criminal who belongs in jail for the murder of Vince Foster.

    That’s a lie promoted by Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell and other leaders of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.

    Neither of you are helping your candidate here.

  • Guh. The caucuses made me feel good about being American for once in a long while, then this crap surfaces.

    The Bush Administration is like a rotting scratch ‘n’ sniff. The more you scratch, the worse it stinks.

  • Back on the original topic….

    If I remember correctly from watching “Law and Order”[g}, a lawyer who gives advice that is designed to help his client break the law can be prosecuted as part of a criminal conspiracy.

    Maybe Gonzales can be nailed this way.

  • Impeach Mukasey. Impeach the entire Shrub cabal. “The President…shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment” (U.S.Constitution, Article 2 Section 2). As a life-long Republican with a serious Libertarian streak, I do not want to simply tread water until 2009. I want impeachment and serious jail time for participants in this assault on our Democracy. To do anything less is to seriously underestimate the penchant of the electorate’s fascination with fascism and the determination of the unitary executive sycophants.

  • I have to agree with Steve T (post #28). His analysis is spot on. Supporting a challenger to Pelosi — and a good one at that — might motivate other Democrats to pay more attention to their constituents, too. They don’t fear the wrath of voters in general elections, but opposition in primaries might give them something to think about.

    (I have no affiliation with Cindy Sheehan either.)

  • The GOP pretend-to-be-dem trolls are really out in force today. I’ve never seen this phenomenon on this blog before.

    About Pelosi…is Sheehan actually running? I’ve not heard anything about it for several months now.

  • SteveT–
    Yeah … I figured someone would take offense.

    But I still find it funny. Crass? Oh hell yes. But funny.

    Sorry.

    And look on the bright side: it’s not nearly as harsh or profane as “fucktard.”

    😉

  • Mmmmmhhhmmmm….???

    and I got censored/deleted or whatever from a C&L thread for saying/typing “pussy”

    go figure.

  • …Oh – the topic, I was recalling that the Nixon pardon from his hand picked president Ford, was for any crime nix may have comitted during his presidency, or words to that effect.
    The question asked above by raising “…the equivalent of ‘an advance pardon’ for actions taken at the fuzzy edges of criminal laws.” has not, to the best of my knowledge, been adjudicated, …it was indeed not even raised during all the years of Nixon’s retirement.

    I see no reason to believe that the Democratic twatcicles who inhabit the house in 2009 will do any better than the current gang of pussies.

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