Murtha getting the full Swiftboat treatment (again)

Way back in November 2005, when Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) first started talking publicly about the need for troop redeployment from Iraq, Republicans were momentarily stunned. Murtha was a fairly conservative Dem, a leading congressional voice on military matters, and a decorated war hero. He had experience, stature, and bi-partisan cred. Rod Dreher, responding to Murtha at the National Review Online, said he was “sure there’s going to be an anti-Murtha pile-on in the conservative blogosphere, but from where I sit, conservatives would be fools not to take this man seriously.”

As it turns out, conservatives were fools, the pile-on went way beyond right-wing blogs, and Murtha became one of the most reviled Dems in the country.

And now the smear machine is picking back up again. Murtha is taking the lead on what Dems are calling the “readiness strategy.” Instead of cutting off funding for the war, Murtha’s plan would use the appropriations process to limit or sharply reduce the number of U.S. troops available for the Iraq conflict — deployment of troops would be based on the Bush administration meeting certain levels of adequate manpower, equipment, and training for the troops. Moreover, Murtha wants to limit the time and number of deployments by soldiers, Marines and National Guard units to Iraq, making it tougher for Pentagon officials to find the troops to replace units that are scheduled to rotate out of the country.

On its face, there’s not much to disagree with. Do Republicans support sending troops into combat without adequate equipment and training? Of course not — and Murtha’s plan would ensure that doesn’t happen.

As Tim Russert asked Tony Snow yesterday, “Congressman Murtha will say, ‘I want to limit tours in Iraq to 12 months, and I want to make sure anyone who goes there is fully trained and has the equipment necessary to do the job.’ What’s wrong with that?” (Snow didn’t have much of an answer.)

At this point, war supporters can take on Murtha’s policy on the merits, or they can try and smear Murtha personally. Guess which way they prefer.

As BarbinMD put it, “[T]he long knives have come out and the smear of John Murtha is officially on.”

Robert Novak: “Murtha has shaped party policy that would cripple Bush’s Iraq troop surge by placing conditions on funding. That represents the most daring congressional attempt to micromanage ongoing armed hostilities since the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War challenged President Abraham Lincoln…. It seems all but certain that Democrats will pass what Murtha frankly calls an attempt to prevent funding of the surge. Improbable though it may seem, blunt and brassy Jack Murtha is moving close to command over U.S. policy on Iraq.

The Beltway Boys: “And this Murtha resolution is clever in that it pretends to be pro-troops and anti-war, in reality would deny troops that are already in the field fighting for their lives the reinforcements they need in order to survive and possibly win.”

Investor’s Business Daily: “The party of John Murtha shamelessly seeks to defund and defeat U.S. troops on the battlefield and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The Congress the terrorists wanted is doing their bidding. Now it’s the House of Representatives’ turn, led by Rep. John Murtha, who believes the fine young men and women we send to defeat terror and our sworn enemies are cold-blooded killers. We find it scary that the Democratic and terrorist game plans are indistinguishable.”

The Journal Edition Report: “John Murtha is talking about two in particular, which could be very damaging. He’s talking about limiting National Guard deployments, and he’s talking about putting, quote, unquote, “readiness requirements” on the troops–i.e., if they are not outfitted with the latest armor kit, they can’t go over. Well, if that’s taken seriously, it going to make it almost impossible for the president to prosecute the war. And he’s going to have to get serious about asserting his constitutional authority to disregard those kinds of conditions.

Brit Hume: “That sound bite from John Murtha suggests that it’s time a few things be said about him…Look, this man has tremendous cache among House Democrats, but he is not — this guy is long past the day when he had anything but the foggiest awareness of what the heck is going on in the world.

Aside from the notion that he’s a senile terrorist sympathizer, Murtha seems just fine with his right-wing critics.

Look, Murtha’s strategy asks that the troops have the equipment and training they need before going into battle. If war supporters want to argue that this is a mistake, let them make the case. Indeed, I’m anxious to hear it.

But in the meantime, this reflexive hatred and Swiftboating of a hero suggests that Murtha is onto something and Bush’s allies are scared.

Jeez, haven’t these guys ever heard the phrase, “Never let ’em see you sweat”?

That’s so sad. Murtha is a fucking marine for Christ’s sake. All these pigs are going straight to hell.

  • i love this one.

    “and he’s talking about putting, quote, unquote, “readiness requirements” on the troops–i.e., if they are not outfitted with the latest armor kit, they can’t go over. Well, if that’s taken seriously, it going to make it almost impossible for the president to prosecute the war.”

    so i guess that means we’re really only looking to send over some more bodies right? who in their right mind would ever send a soldier into battle without providing them with the training and equipment they need? oh, yeah, dubya…….

    at least the democrats are really looking out for the troops.

  • Investor’s Business Daily: ….. The Congress the terrorists wanted is doing their bidding. Now it’s the House of Representatives’ turn, led by Rep. John Murtha, who believes the fine young men and women we send to defeat terror and our sworn enemies are cold-blooded killers. We find it scary that the Democratic and terrorist game plans are indistinguishable.”
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    Repigs have mastered the art of classic psychological projection. THEY are the terrorists’ best friends. who was it that attacked Iraq, a secular nation that OBL despised? Who is using WMD type weapons (white phosphorus, depleted uranium) on innocent civilians, creating more hatred for America with every child, parent, brother or sister that they kill? WHO is occupying an Arab nation that never threatened the US? Who has left the cargo holds of ships, and the cargo areas of planes virtually unprotected? This admin keeps producing those who have good reason to hate the US government faster than they can kill them. Which is fine with bu$$h/dick less cheney and crew. More money for Haliburton to feed our troops rotten food and tainted water.

    “the Congress the terrorists wanted”?? So, the writer is implying that the majority of Americans are terrorists? How many people can one person insult at one time? Is he a moron? delusional? or does he just assume that his readers are? The American people voted in this Congress precisely b/c we know that occupying Iraq is NOT fighting terror, it is fueling it. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and bush has admitted that there is no evedence linking S Hussein to Al-Qeda. But those in this country who profit off of death and destruction, ‘terrorists’ you might call them, would rather accuse those who want to work for peace and intelligent solutions as being terrorists, than ever look in the mirror. Always look at what the right is calling others. That will often give you a pretty good idea of what they are.

    And Iraq is in the ‘Jaws of Victory”??? Right. Also the Iraqi insurgents are in their last throes. Is this guy brain-dead? Who is he trying to BS? What a crock of wet, hot republican.

  • Whenever I wonder how it was possible for all of the world’s dictators, autocrats, and despots to obtain support for all of their terrible nonsense, I need only consider the creatures who comprise the radical-right noise machine that attacked Murtha. They are the vandals of civilization.

  • Methinks before this is over, the term “swiftboating” will be replaced by “murtha’d,” which in turn will be replaced by “hilary’d.”

  • It just proves that the neoconservatives have no legitimate counterargument or proposal to offer in contrast to Rep. Murtha’s well-thoughtout proposal. Note, too, that these prowarmongers wouldn’t be willing to go into harm’s way themselves but are willing for our young, brave soldiers to do so without proper training, armor, or other necessary equipmen and without proper rest between being called for duty repeatedly.

  • Robert Novak, speaking no doubt from his box of dirt where he spends the daylight hours, has hit closest to the truth – Jack Murtha is coming perilously close to command over U.S. policy in Iraq. The Bush administration relies on absolute unquestioned control over everything to carry out its smoke-and-mirrors act.

    Besides, Congress – once getting a taste of actually regulating the loopy activities of a president out of control – might find they liked calling the shots, instead of gritting their teeth and grabbing the bedpost as they’ve been doing for the last 5 1/2 years. Again, the Giant Head of Oz act relies on unqualified supplication to the master. When that doesn’t happen, everything starts to get a little flaky around the edges.

    The Bush White House is merely crying, as it has done so many times throughout its painful reign; “who will rid me of this troublesome priest?”

  • This is another example of the people who have been wrong about everything defending themselves via personal smear. You can’t really blame the for trying, as it’s the only tool left in their toolbox. Old senile Murtha can kick Hume’s ass across the continent with both hands tied behind his back and eating a ham sandwich. So while it may be a desperate use of their last remaining tool, they picked the wrong guy to take it to. Murtha will hold his own, and the asshats will soon be frantically looking for an easier mark.

  • We find it scary that the Democratic and terrorist game plans are indistinguishable.”

    They are kidding right???

    Alright they wanna play…Reid and Pelosi should call up the COWARDLY editorial board who refused to put their names on the article and point blank ask them to prove the Democratics Party’s involvement with terrorists….where is the proof ???…if they dont provide sue them for libel

    This is the only way to stop these baseless charges from being levied against Dems with haunting regularity…

    Dems must now put the burden on Repubs….whats wrong with 12 months tours??, what is wrong with fully equiping our troops before entering iraq?, what is wrong with meeting basic standards for military service??…..every Dem needs to hammer this home all week …keep it simple and paint Rethugs as the disingenious political cowards that they are…

    not that hard Harry and Nancy …lets go

  • [sputter, harrumph!] This terrorist coddling troop hater wants to…allow soldiers to rest between deployments? He wants them to have proper equipment? He…thinks the military should keep its word and not hold soldiers past their enlistments? MONSTER!

    I just picked this piece of drivel at random:

    The Congress the terrorists wanted is doing their bidding. Now it’s the House of Representatives’ turn, led by Rep. John Murtha, who believes the fine young men and women we send to defeat terror and our sworn enemies are cold-blooded killers.

    I know Murtha believes no such thing but if he did, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Only the rightwing fuckwits want to believe the soldiers spend 99% of their time handing out sweets to the little urchins of Baghdad or helping to paint schools. Their primary job is to pound the shit out of the enemy until they surrender and given the choice between soldiers calmly doing their job (including killing) in cool or cold blood or the alternative (massacres like Haidtha) guess what any sane person prefers?

  • It’s not just wingnuts- check out how excerpts from this WaPo editorial from last Saturday characterize Murtha and his plan:

    “The real vote will come on the legislation we’re putting together.” That would be Mr. Murtha’s plan to “stop the surge” and “force a redeployment” of U.S. forces from Iraq while ducking the responsibility that should come with such a radical step.

    He would stop the surge by crudely hamstringing the ability of military commanders to deploy troops.

    Mr. Murtha’s cynicism is matched by an alarming ignorance about conditions in Iraq.

    He wants to “get our troops out of the Green Zone” because “they are living in Saddam Hussein’s palace”; could he be unaware that the zone’s primary occupants are the Iraqi government and the U.S. Embassy?

    Notice – very little discussion of the merits of the plan – but lots of questioning of Murtha’s personal motivation and knowledge – along with a lot of really petty insults. This is the way the WaPo editorial board is presenting Murtha and his plan – they can’t argue against the plan, so they attack the man.

  • The main news in my local paper today was the fact that most of the hummers in Iraq are not armoured to withstand these explosives….whose fault is that? BUSH!!!! And they want to say the Congress is helping terrorists??? The other article I read today was about the miserable conditions wounded men and women are facing at Walter Reed…. with these conditions how can anyone want our troops to stay over there to be the sacrifices for Bush’s ego. It makes me ill….

  • When is the MSM (or at least some of them) going to hold Swiftboating up for what it is? Hasn’t the rest of them noticed Countdown’s ratings on a huge climb? There’s real money to be made pointing out this BS.

  • I hate to be cynical but the only appreciation we’ll get for pulling our soldiers asses out of the fire will be 30 years of many of them talking shit about Democrats on the internet.

  • Don’t worry, folks, John Murtha has seen worse. Getting screeched at by halfwitted morons in need of a good spanking (like General Odom gave Hew Screwitt) is no big deal. They have Murtha confused with someone who gives a rat’s ass what they have to say. You can bet none of them would ever have him on one of their programs, since he would make the ass-whipping of Screwitt look like a baby-diapering session, and none of those gutless wonders can take anyone face-to-face one on one, since they are all COWARDS.

    Let those idiots support sending the troops without the gear they need – let the troops see who really supports them.

  • Yes, Murtha should be listened to. However, just as we should not “swiftboat” him; we should refrain fromm canonizing him. Like it or not, he is an “unindicted coconpirator” in the Abscam debacle. That does to leave your record. Also, if you look at the tape the FBI had of him you can see the appearance of his actions look very dirty.

  • I watched that FBI Abscam tape (curious timing on the release, BTW, don’t you think?) on Murtha in its entirety — some of the juicier parts more than once. And I have to say young Jack really went right up to the line a few times, but he never actually crossed it. So while it may have been a rare glimpse into the seamy inner workings of big league political favor trading, the fact that Murtha remained unindicted probably has something to do with the fact that he was not in fact a “co-conspirator” in anything illegal. Not on that tape anyway.

    Of course it might also have had something to do with the fact that the FBI operatives at the meeting tried so hard to coax him across the line that they strayed into entrapment territory themselves — and had themselves on tape doing it. But after what, an hour and a half of hammering away at the young congressman, all they walked away with was a promise on Murtha’s part to pull strings in legal ways in exchange for investment in his economically depressed district. And when you come right down to it, moving the levers of government in legal ways to benefit the folks back home is something you kind of look for in a representative — even if you might not always like how that actually looks up close.

  • Also, if you look at the tape the FBI had of him you can see the appearance of his actions look very dirty.

    Oh gods yes. Compared to say, Drunky McDraftDodger (TM), Dr. Dicky Defermented (TM) and their merrie hellions going before the American public day after day telling us IRAQ HAS DA BOMB so we have to invade RIGHT NOW, various interpretations of the APPEARANCE of Murtha’s actions…mean squat.

    Try to keep up with the rest of the class.

  • One thing that scares me is how this is being framed for the American public. The GOP talking points are quickly being accepted by the major media as the way to discuss this issue. “Slow bleed”, “not funding the troops”, and the other phrase that keeps cropping up is, “denying our troops reinforcements”.

    All this needs to be shot down NOW. If too much times passes these will be THE talking points for everyone, and the Dems will have ceded the initiative to frame the argument

    Once again, as has become all to obvious, there are no new good ideas, or any ideas at all, coming from the right. So, it’s smear time, and here it comes like a freight train.

    On ray of hope was shed on this by, of all people, Alan Colmes. He and some other Dem strategist managed to shoot even Ann Coulter down. Not an easy task. Here:

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/19/coulter-out-foxed/

  • Dem’s are definitely getting better at getting our side of the story heard on TV — a damned sight better than just a year or two ago. The righties still excel of course, but the good guys are getting better.

  • Open your eyes people. The war in Iraq is all about the redistribution of wealth in this country from the middle class to the top. People are paid to sell this war for this reason. Think about it.

  • Okay—so why doesn’t everyone get on the same page—and start “swiftboating” the right-wing noise machine? It’s just so obviously simple, people. Play the Right for what they’re doing:

    Sending our soldiers into battle with substandard training makes it easier for the terrorists to kill our soldiers.

    Sending our soldiers into battle with substandard equipment—makes it easier for the terrorists to kill our soldiers.

    Forcing our soldiers to stay in Iraq beyond their required deployment time—gives the terrorists just that much more time to kill our soldiers.

    George Bush seems to think that a flag-draped coffin is more important than a living, breathing soldier.

    Do you agree with him?

  • All this talk about readiness & equipping is just baloney. Murtha wants to end the war & is looking for any reason he can. Its a red herring.

    I say no one should be a politician until they are fully trained with a Phd in history & government & communications, as well as a Phd in what-ever committee they hope to serve on. What’s that you say? — most of them couldn’t meet the standard … well do we want the most qualified, best available folks to be our representatives, or what?

  • ***Comment by we don’t need no education***

    Imagine that—a guy using double-negatives in his own screen-name, calling on others to possess multiple graduate degrees. Seems to me that it’s getting “Pretty High and Deep” here….

  • @#25:

    Tell it to a friend’s son who is expected back this spring from his fifth tour as an Army National Guard medic. Yes, you read that right.

    Murtha wants to end this war, yes, and one of the main reasons he does is what it’s doing to the services, particularly the Marines and Army, and the reserves and Guard.

    By _not_ doing everything they can to get the troops out of Iraq, members of Congress would be allowing this administration to continue to abuse the troops.

    The right wing’s characterization of Murtha’s proposal as ‘slow bleed’ has to be exposed for the Big Lie and smear that it is: ‘slow bleed’ is the current administration policy.

  • Interesting that the Republicans don’t go after Murtha for his part in garnering defense business for unworthy contractors. I guess that would be too much like the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Fuck Murtha and everyone who likes him. Gee, I guess that also means fuck the liberal media, too, and fuck Media Matter. Might as well say fuck that fat fuck Michael “Have Another Donut” Moore. Fuck Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy, and the rest of the liberal fucking scum. Fuck all you arrogant, ignorant little poly-sci nobodies and your ivory tower professors. Mrs. Panstreppon, why don’t you go choke on some Midol, bitch?

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