My advice: vote against him

The Hill has an interesting item today about conflicted Dem senators who are weighing presidential aspirations and looking ahead to a confirmation vote for John Roberts. Maybe I’m missing something, but this doesn’t seem like a terribly tough call.

As new information emerges about Judge John Roberts’s conservative writing, Republicans are bracing for a more contentious confirmation process than previously anticipated. But the tougher grilling could also provide those Democrats mulling a run for the White House with a golden opportunity to build constituencies and raise their national profiles.

The Roberts vote, slated for late September, could have a high enough profile that Democratic primary voters will remember it in 2006 and 2007, particularly if Roberts is confirmed and the Supreme Court hands down a major ruling on a divisive issue such as abortion.

Clinton, Kerry, Bayh, Biden, Feingold, and others may ultimately come to see this vote as a litmus test for 2008 primary voters, not unlike the vote on the war resolution in the 2004 primaries. Indeed, I can a hear a Howard Dean-like candidate generating applause asking party activists, “What I want to know is why so many of my rivals for the nomination voted to put an anti-choice, anti-environment, anti-civil rights judge on the Supreme Court?”

It’s exactly why I’m confused that this has been characterized as a difficult choice. As a substantive matter, as Matt Yglesias recently explained, Dem senators should vote against Roberts’ nomination on merit alone. But even if we put substance aside and deal solely with crass political concerns, where’s the upside for a Dem senator who wants to be president voting for a conservative, Bush-nominated Supreme Court justice?

In 2003, Dem presidential candidates had to consider whether they’d look “weak on defense” when considering votes on the war in Iraq. But what, exactly, is the danger on Roberts’ confirmation vote? What will Republicans say? That Evan Bayh wouldn’t go for a nominee with a disturbingly conservative record? Remind me why that’s risky?

This is a no-brainer. Roberts will get confirmed, thanks to the GOP majority, but Dems who hope to win the nomination have no reason to go along. The more pertinent question, it seems to me, is the pressure some of these Dems may feel to filibuster Roberts’ nomination. That might score some serious points with liberal grassroots voters in primary states, but it would also be intensely controversial and generate plenty of GOP heat. But simply voting against Roberts on the Senate floor? Clinton, Kerry, Bayh, Biden, and Feingold would be crazy not to.

It wouldn’t be a litmus test for me, but yeah, every Dem senator should vote “no.” There’s no real upside to a “yes” vote–independent voters won’t be grateful for an effort to restore comity, and liberals will be f—ing pissed.

I’m sure we’ll lose Lieberman, and a Nelson or two, but really, there’s no good reason Roberts should get more than 60 votes to confirm.

  • The upside for Dem presidential hopefuls is that if they’re strong enough to win the primary, it will be that much easier to win the popular vote by not looking too “liberal” and having an easier time of appealing to the broad center in the general election.

    I haven’t paid any attention to Roberts, other than overhearing that his wife is an anti-abortion activist, but if it turns out that he’s not a terrible choice (ala Bolton for UN ambassador, Gonzales for Attorney General) but rather a moderate conservative that Democrats can live with, someone who won’t undermine Roe and doesn’t have radical ideas about the courts, then it could be a big win and a non-issue in the primary.

    Although, I admit, that judgement is based on my own wilful ignorance by not paying attention to every development on Roberts. He could turn out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, another Bolton in disguise, in which case the Dems very well should oppose his nomination, especially after Bush gave them the finger by recess-appointing Bolton.

  • The upside for Dem presidential hopefuls is that if they’re strong enough to win the primary, it will be that much easier to win the popular vote by not looking too “liberal”

    Nope. For one thing, Roberts will have had a couple years of serious ‘wingery from the bench on record. If a Republican tries to paint a Dem as too “liberal” for voting “no” on Roberts, the Dem will be able to point to the man’s record on the Court.

  • Of course, the Democratic candidate could follow the lead of his/her predecessor and say “Yes, I voted for Roberts” and – after his decisions make it evident that Roberts is solidly in bed with Thomas and Scalia – say “Yes, knowing what I know now, I’d still vote for Roberts”. Grrrr.

  • I think there is a temptation to vote for Roberts, who will likely get confirmed by a relatively large margin, so that if Rehnquist resigns and Bush nominates some real right wing loon, Dems who voted for Roberts can say “we were willing to confirm clearly conservative nominees like Roberts, but this nominee is too extreme.”

    If they vote against Roberts, that potential tactic is gone

  • I think Eugene has it exactly right. However, that does not address Mr. Carpetbagger’s original question:

    But even if we put substance aside and deal solely with crass political concerns, where’s the upside for a Dem senator who wants to be president voting for a conservative, Bush-nominated Supreme Court justice?

    I don’t know the answer, unless the thinking is that it’s necessary to appeal to the moderate/independent center, especially in Red states. My fear of course is that Ed Stephan is right. (please, oh please, let him be wrong on this…please let the Dem candidate learn from Kerry’s bid in 2004)

  • That might score some serious points with liberal grassroots voters in primary states, but it would also be intensely controversial and generate plenty of GOP heat.

    But CB, isn’t that why they nominated a stealth conservative in the first place? By provoking a knee-jerk filibuster to a not-obviously-terrible nomination, it will make the nuke option seem more understandable, which will position the administration to really push a true crazy conservative when Rehnquist goes. Right now, the nuke option polls as a naked power grab, but if they had good spin (“Argh, Jonnie Roberts is a good man, dammit! These crazy obstructionist liberals!�) they’d be in better position to get away with it.

    And besides, who the heck needs to win over liberal grassroots voters? Who else are they going to vote for? Frist? Thanks to the terrible reign of the DLC, true progressives have no voice in the nomination, anyway. A Dem won’t win until they stop pandering to the far left and start rallying the vast “other.�

  • These weak-knee Dems haven’t found any polls yet that tell them it is okay to vote against Roberts, THAT”S WHY they are reluctant to take a public position at this time.

    And make no mistake about it, Roberts has an awful lot to hide regarding his legal thinking and his likely actions if confirmed to the SCOTUS. As a lawyer, I am well aware of how one can parse words or speak soothing platitudes without actually revealing one damn thing of substance. This guy is reputed to have a superior intellect; how logical is it to think that he has all this brain-power, has worked as both a legal advocate and a counselor against civil rights and other liberal/progressive interests while working in Rethug administrations, and was a “man behind the curtainsâ€? in Florida during the 2000 recount shenanigans — and then to believe he is a “moderate”? This guy is a highly partisan party operative. It is up to the Dems to make sure that they get this out – which they did with Bolton – and force Bush to use another “recess appointmentâ€? to get Roberts on the SCOTUS, if he gets there at all.

    Mr. CB says, “Roberts will get confirmed, thanks to the GOP majority, but Dems who hope to win the nomination have no reason to go along. The more pertinent question, it seems to me, is the pressure some of these Dems may feel to filibuster Roberts’ nomination.â€? I agree that Dems should filibuster, on the same basis they filibustered Bolton; i.e., the White House’s stonewalling on records/documents that the Senate is entitled to review before it acts on the nomination. How can the co-equal branch of government give its informed “Consentâ€? if it is intentionally and knowingly kept in the dark by both the President and the candidate himself? Only in BushWorld…

    There is no upside for Dems, especially one who aspires to the White House, to EVER go easy on any nominee sent up by Bush. Bush has shown that he has only one agenda, and it is always against the little guy – and therefore always against the Dems. Dems should have learned by now, as AARP and others have learned through bitter experience, that cooperation with Bush will never earn you any reciprocity the next time if he disagrees with you. Want proof? Just go ask Katherine Harris….

  • AL–come on, is Roberts all that bad? He worked for Republicans. . . so Dems fillibuster? He’s smart. . . and that’s bad? Heck, I’m glad he didn’t nominate an idiot! Conservative is better than stupid.

    First, his “writings� are largely as a legal advisor, NOT a judge. He was being paid to advance cases and arguments in the interests of his bosses. I read a CNN piece titled Roberts documents reveal a conservative, and I can’t tell which is stupider: the idiotic title (was this really a “revelation� to anyone?), or the examples, which all seem pretty conjured up.

    Example:

    “Limiting Supreme Court’s reach

    “Roberts argued that Congress had the power to limit the Supreme Court’s appellate jurisdiction on controversial issues, like abortion, busing and school prayer — but advised that doing so would be “bad policy,” according to recently released memos.

    “A document dated April 12, 1982 shows that Roberts disagreed with the view of then-Assistant Attorney General Ted Olson that Republican legislation in Congress to limit such jurisdiction faced constitutional problems.

    . . . .

    â€?The debate over the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction centers on Article III, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

    “The language says that the Supreme Court ‘shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.’”

    Am I wrong, or is Roberts’ position obviously correct? Is there anything remarkable here? The rest of the article is similar. Roberts thought bussing kids across town to force segregation wasn’t necessary to achieve equal education. So?

    All in all, I’d like to see something, anything, that seems crazy here before Dems get caught blocking a guy for no reason. “Advise and Consent� doesn’t mean “vote no if they aren’t perfectly in line with your minority party politics.� And it will only make future attempts to block obviously unqualified candidates more difficult.

  • What’s the upside if the Democrats vote for confirmation?

    Plenty, in my opinion, but we have to see it from their
    point of view, and I don’t think we’ll be privvy to the
    political calculations being performed in the camps
    of Biden, Clinton and Kerry, but I am betting each
    will vote for confirmation. I am also betting that
    this confirmation is pure politics, pure strategy.
    No substance at all. They’ll wait for the Rhenquist
    vacancy to get religion. But what’s the upside
    of confirming Roberts? There’s no downside. We’re
    not going anywhere, and they know that. But maybe
    they can draw from the other side. It’s the same
    strategy we’ve been seeing for years. Move to the
    right, make sure the left is still secure, and take
    another step to the right.

    Roberts is not a household name, a household
    issue, a controversial figure except among
    political aficionados. I am betting that a good
    majority of Americans have no idea who he is,
    nor will they, because nothing is coming out
    about him that will arouse more than yawns
    among the people. They will hardly be able
    to say “politics as usual,” before nodding off.

    It’s summer, guys. Nobody cares. Nobody is
    listening. The liberal base is secured, no matter
    how the centrists vote. But the independents,
    the left-most Republicans, might be wooed
    by “reasonable” Democrats. And what are the
    liberals going to do if the Democratic nominee
    supported Roberts? Vote for Nader? Not on
    your life. We have got to get that White House
    back. Everyone knows that now.

    So, just to be contrary, that’s my seven cents.
    Bet I’m right, though. The confirmation of
    Roberts will be a breeze.

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