National healthcare = Terrorism, Part II

On Tuesday, the National Review’s Iain Murray argued, “The socialization of medicine in the UK is responsible for a lot of problems. The importation of terrorists is just one of them.” On Thursday, Fox News’ Neil Cavuto and National Review’s Jerry Bowyer were more explicit about this painfully stupid argument, insisting that national healthcare systems are a “breeding ground for terror.”

Yesterday, on MSNBC, viewers heard Col. Jack Jacobs argue that an “unintended consequence of universal healthcare” is a system in which foreign doctors — presumably, terrorist suspects — are offering patient care.

Also yesterday, the New York Sun’s Daniel Johnson explained to readers:

The [British National Health Service] is the nearest thing to a religion that the British now have. For half a century the British have convinced themselves that the NHS is the envy of the world. It is — for the third world. And it is the third world’s doctors and nurses who keep alive this socialist cult of security from cradle to grave.

No politician dares to reform the NHS, which is still run by its white-coated medical priesthood. Even Margaret Thatcher, who was fearless with terrorists, quailed before the doctors and nurses. “The NHS is safe in our hands,” she said. But the question has long been: are we safe in the NHS’s hands? […]

Anybody with medical qualifications has been able to enter Britain with few questions asked. Of the 277,000 doctors in the NHS, some 128,000 — that is nearly four out of 10 — were trained abroad. It was a loophole that should have been obvious, given Al Qaeda’s declared strategy of recruiting highly educated professionals. The cell that launched last week’s attacks is probably not the only one.

TPM is collecting these references, and for good reason. If one random Fox News clown comes up with a silly idea off the top of his head, it’s easy to dismiss as an amusing accident. But when that same silly idea pops up repeatedly at a variety of outlets, over the course of four days, one starts to wonder if perhaps some kind of official memo has gone out.

Do you suppose “Sicko” has scared the right this much?

Regardless of the motivation, the right has become completely unhinged on the issue.

The eight suspects connected to the recent London terror plots were Muslim men who were doctors or medical professionals. Yesterday on Fox News’ Your World With Neil Cavuto, right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher argued that there is “nothing wrong with suspending the opportunity for Muslim doctors to enter the United States until…we sort this thing out.” He also advocated the practice of racial profiling because “all the terrorists are Muslim.”

One could point out, as Amanda does, that as a result of the London terror attempt, “Muslim doctors here [in the U.S.] say they are trying to be more vocal in denouncing terrorism. They condemned the ‘crazies’ who are ‘misguided’ and did those acts,” while “British Muslims are leading a new campaign condemning the recent attempted car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow.”

But what’s the point? The right doesn’t need reason; it has rage.

They are scared. Here’s an e-mail posted yesterday by Michael Moore:

Friends,

An employee who works at Capital BlueCross has sent us a confidential memo written and circulated by its Vice President of Corporate Communications, Barclay Fitzpatrick. His job, it seems, was to go and watch “Sicko,” observe the audience’s reaction, and then suggest a plan of action for how to deal with the movie.

The memo, which I am releasing publicly in this email, is a fascinating look at how one health care company views “Sicko” — and what it fears its larger impact will be on the public. The industry’s only hope, the memo seems to indicate, is if the movie “flops.”

Mr. Fitzpatrick writes: “In typical Moore fashion, Government and business leaders are behind a conspiracy to keep the little guy down and dominated while getting rich.”

No. You don’t say! That can’t be!

BlueCross V.P. Fitzpatrick seems downright depressed about the movie he just saw. “You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore’s movie,” he writes. “Sicko” leaves audiences feeling “ashamed to be…a capitalist, and part of a ‘me’ society instead of a ‘we’ society.”

He walks out of the theater only to witness an unusual sight: people — strangers — mingling and talking to each other. “‘I didn’t know they (the insurers) did that!’ was a common exclamation followed by a discussion of the example,” according to Fitzpatrick.

He then assesses the film’s impact: “[T]he impact on small business decision makers, our members, the community, and our employees could be significant. Ignoring its impact might be a successful strategy only if it flops, but that has not been the history of Moore’s films … If popular, the movie will have a negative impact on our image in this community.”

The BlueCross memo then suggests a strategy in dealing with “Sicko” and offers the BCBS “talking points” to be used in discounting the film.

My heartfelt thanks to the employee who sent this to me.

And now a word from me to Capital BlueCross:

How ’bout a debate? No more secret memos and hand wringing about the millions seeing “Sicko.” Just me and your CEO openly debating the merits of a system that kills thousands of innocent Americans every year.

In the meantime, I hope you don’t mind me sharing your thoughts and impressions in your well-written memo. And if the rest of your executive team hasn’t seen “Sicko,” it opens in an additional 100 cities tonight for a total of over 700 screens across North America. Attendance went up a whopping 56% on the 4th of July, higher than any other film in the theaters right now. But don’t be scared, and certainly don’t be ashamed to be a capitalist. Greed is good! Especially good for you. There’s nothing like having the pre-existing condition of being rich, should you ever get sick and need help.

Yours,

Michael Moore

You can read the whole memo over at Moore’s website, http://www.michaelmoore.com – it’s clearly a demonstration that the scumballs are scared.

And yes, after this past year of dealing with the tender mercies of the insurance industry, I’m in favor of putting the pinstriped pimps against a wall and filling them full of bullet holes. The industry knows that the majority of people who have to deal with them agree with me.

  • The Democrats need to make universal health care a moral issue and beat the Republicans over the head with it!

  • This has to be an organized propaganda campaign. There are entirely too many hot button words and disguised trigger phrases that the speaker knows will to appeal to existing frames, fears and bigotry.

    Consider this string: socialization of medicine – a lot of problems — importation of terrorists
    — breeding ground for terror — foreign doctors — terrorist suspects offering patient care

    Or this one, playing off of the fact that the UK is less religious than the US: [the British healthcare system] is the nearest thing to a religion that the British now have.

    Or this one that plays on the number of foreign doctors in the US: And it is the third world’s doctors and nurses who keep alive this socialist cult of security from cradle to grave.

    Nationalized health care is such a threat that respected conservatives give in to its power: “Even Margaret Thatcher, who was fearless with terrorists, quailed before the doctors and nurses. “

    I could go on but I’m about to blow a gasket. Anyone interested in tracking down who’s behind this crap?

  • If we had an informed choice between a health care system that included 7 terrorists in 277,000 doctors and one that is controlled by American health insurance companies, I’m not sure that the result would please the insurance companies.

  • Well, gee, a lot of ‘mericun doctuhs are foreign born…

    It’s not the system, it’s the people in the system.

    I will not be surprised when Faux starts equating how a National Healthcare system causes herpes, male pattern baldness, female infertility and male impotence.

  • Oh please, stop giving any seriousness to those ridiculous, laughable foreign terrorist doctors type arguments. To any reasonable person it’s just absurd. We have good policing efforts that we don’t need to get rid of all “foreign born doctors, teachers, plumbers, mechanics, engineers etc. because their “kind” might be used by terrorists. How stupid…so stupid it’s not even relevant.

    National healthcare is a necessity in todays world and its merits as opposed to our elitist system is overwhelming. It has worked in too many countries and the lack of certainly didn’t do anything to prevent 9/11.

    Awareness of the system we have and the systems available is enough to make change inevitable.

    It’s like selling spring water by convincing the buyers that it is the only safe water around for a thousand miles. Once the buyers discover there are 30 huge free mountain springs a mile away they will no longer buy (unless they are filthy rich and it’s more convenient and money is not an object).

    Awareness has made national health care inevitable.

  • Despite all the posturing about “keepin’ the guv’mint” out of the rights of the individual, the evils of collectivist societies, and the joys of unrestrained capitalism, the right-wing always ends up being a bunch of dime-a-dozen apologists and lackeys for the corporations. They are at their most hypocritical, yammering for economic dictatorship.

  • Universal Healthcare is NOT socialized medicine. The VA is socialized medicine where the buildings & all the personnel are on government payrolls…this is not what Universal Healthcare is…..it is about a single payer & collector that avoids the 30% cut that the nonproductive insurance industry now skims off. It is a method to make it be just between the patient and the doctor. Currently the very prosperous insurance industry is practicing medicine without a license via denials and formularies that deny us the meds that our doctor ordered for us.

  • Universal Healthcare is NOT socialized medicine.

    England and our VA are examples of socialized medicine… where the buildings & all the personnel are on government payrolls…this is not what Universal Healthcare is…..it is about a single payer & collector that avoids the 30% cut that the nonproductive insurance industry now skims off. it is similar to Medicare in practice. It is a method to make it be just between the patient and the doctor, without the insurance industry practicing medicine without a license via denials and formularies and limiting which doctor we can see. It will actually be much more of a free enterprise capitalistic system than we currently have because then we can actually choose our docs. The bad docs won’t have any patients.

  • For half a century the British have convinced themselves that the NHS is the envy of the world. It is — for the third world. — NY Sun

    Within the past two years, two of my acquaintances came down with breast cancer. One lives in a small suburban town in UK, one in Silver Spring, MD. Both have healthcare “insurance” — the one in UK via the NHS, the one in Maryland through a private plan.

    This is how chemo was administered in UK: a trained nurse came to the house, administered the medication and stayed for a couple of hours to monitor the reaction. When she was certain that there was no adverse reaction (beyond “normal”, which, apparently, is pretty bad), the nurse left.

    This is how the chemo was administered in Maryland: my acquaintance had to take a taxi to the hospital (her husband is legally blind and cannot drive and), got the chemo, asked the staff to call a taxi so she could get home, then she left. Alternatively, she’d drive herself to the hospital, get the chemo, then walk it off until she felt OK to drive herself back (she’d only tried to do this once).

    Hellloooo? I don’t even need to see Sicko to know that NSH beats our insurance plans hollow.

  • Ten days after giving birth to my firstborn in London, I had a midwife visit me at home to check me out and my son. They have what are called health visitors, who are midwife qualified and attached to each GP and who provide counseling and classes for mothers and babies. After my second baby was born, one of the health visitors called because she knew I had no family for support nearby and wanted to know if I was okay or needed anything. She even stopped by to visit. Imagine how much post partum depression is caught early that way.

    My third child was born in Japan, where it’s also nationalized health. I had a C-section which usually keeps you in hospital ten days though I got out in seven. I can go to any doctor I want and I never worry about not being seen that day or being handed an outrageous bill.

    Compare that to the US system of kicking you out the door the day after you give birth or where my friend had a broken collarbone and had to call around trying to find a surgeon who could squeeze him in only to be told he could get an appointment in ten days.

    National health, oh yeah, it’ll kill you.

  • Having had the experience 17 years ago of using one of the best private health insurance plans then available on the planet, that run by the Writer’s Guild of America, West, here in Hollywood, and now experiencing the “socialized medicine” of the Veteran’s Administration, I can tell you that the private plan from back then can’t hold a candle to the quality of care and professionalism of delivery I get from the VA now. Not to mention that nobody in the world can have the plan I am talking about from 17 years ago – with costs going through the roof the current version offered those 30% of Guild Members who qualify for health insurance any quarter is a mere shadow of its former self in terms of what is offered, what is required for co-payments, what the deductible is, etc. (And by the way, before the Great Writer’s Strike of 1988, 80% of the members qualified for the fantastic old plan.)

    If “single payer” insurance is going to be some variation of the plan now available to the WGAW members (at a cost reduction of 30%) – and this is a “good” plan compared to what else is out there these days, and that is pretty much what gets described by supporters of these “private-universal” plans – I’ll take government-run socialized medicine any day of the week and twice on Sunday, as they say.

    Hooray for the VA system! Without it, my choice would be whether I wanted to just waste away and die, or take my own life while I still had the strength. With the VA, I’m going to be around to give the bastards hell for a very long time indeed.

  • It’s important to place in perspective what is actually being proposed by proponents of a universal health care system: Let the citizens of this great country have the same universal health care that is currently offered to federal government employees including members of Congress, the president, vice president, and cabinet members.

    Such a universal health care system now being offered to those federal employees should negate the erroneous charge of how bad “socialized medicine” would be if offered to all Americans. Why shouldn’t the general populace be offered the same health care plan already offered to those politicians who cry “socialized medicine”? Those politicians should be asked is “socialized medicine” only good if offered to them but not to their “employers,” the citizens of the United States?

  • And how long before Fox and others start hypothesizing that Muslim doctors will start implanting explosives in their patients to make them unwitting suicide bombers? From the folks that brought you the ticking timebomb and nuclear suitcase bomb scenarios, I don’t doubt this’ll be next.

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