Neocons lose their guy, but find the next best thing

Earlier this week, Steve Sailer speculated on where neocons, who had backed Rudy Giuliani’s presidential bid with considerable enthusiasm, go now that the former mayor’s campaign has finally been put out of its misery. (via publius)

So, are all the neocons who got jobs in the Giuliani campaign, like N. Podhoretz, Frum, Rubin, going to jump ship and join the McCain campaign? A lot of them supported McCain back in 2000. And will they be greeted with open arms by the McCain campaign, or will they be told they’re losers — as shown by the Giuliani steamroller — and should stay away. My guess is the former, mostly because neocons are harder to kill than Rasputin. No matter how often everything they touch turns to ashes, they, personally, pop right back up with nice new sinecures in influential institutions.

Quite right. The entirety of Giuliani’s national security campaign team was Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Pipes, Thomas Joscelyn, and Michael Rubin, four of the leading neocons in the country, and four advisors who gravitated to Giuliani, thanks to his willingness to launch several new wars. As far as I can tell, none of the four have officially made the switch to their next favorite Republican — Giuliani just dropped out on Wednesday afternoon — but it’s hardly a stretch to consider where they’ll go.

Matt Welch noted the other day that John McCain is “a potential commander in chief who makes Bush look gun-shy.” That’s exactly why it’s only a matter of time before Podhoretz & Co. get on board with McCain — his trigger finger is just as itchy as Giuliani’s.

A lot of political observers seem to forget this, but McCain has always been a neocon favorite. In 2000, when most of the Republican establishment was quickly coalescing around George W. Bush, Bill Kristol led the neocons towards McCain — and it wasn’t because of his position on campaign-finance reform. McCain had been calling for a more “muscular” (i.e., invasion-happy) foreign policy in the Middle East for years, and the necons assumed if anyone were to help execute their vision, it was McCain, not Bush, who at the time, was talking about a more “humble” approach to foreign affairs.

Stephen Bainbridge wrote this week:

McCain has a lot more in common with TR and Bill Kristol than Ronald Reagan. And that’s damned scary. Why? If the Bush era has taught us nothing else, it is that we must be skeptical of interventionist foreign policies whether grounded in the national greatness “conservatism” of a Teddy Roosevelt or the neo-“conservatism” of a Bill Kristol. It produced a foreign policy quagmire that eviscerated any opportunity to advance the conservative agenda at home, as I’ve complained in more detail elsewhere. Importantly when it comes to McCain, his interventionism is fundamentally contrary to the traditions of mainstream conservatism. We can complain about various McCain positions, like McCain-Feingold, but in a sense those are tactical issues. Here is where, in my opinion, McCain fundamentally goes off the reservation.

This need not be complicated. Those who approve of the neocon worldview, discredited and disgraced though it may be, will just love a McCain presidency. When the senator talked about keeping U.S. troops in Iraq for another 100 years, it was exactly what the neocons wanted to hear.

Giuliani’s candidacy is obviously no more, but the torch has been passed to another neocon who’s just as offensive.

Yes Steve…
It is easy to paint McCain’s saber-rattling with the broad sword of the neocon label.
But he is a bit different in one essential way.
He actually has young blood in the fight:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/25/AR2006122500548.html

Most neocons are blatant chickenhawks.
And like it or not…
McCain’s familial investment,
both past and present,
is going to give him war gravitas in future debates.
When Hillary starts talking her two-brigades a month nonsense…
He is going to screw up that rummy face of his…
And assert:
Just because you read about the battle at Thermopylae at your liberal arts college…
That doesn’t make you a General.

By the way: Did anybody else notice that in the last debate after Hillary said the two-brigade thing she trailed off into ellipitical nonsense? That basically she NEVER said we would leave? That her plan didn’t go to an end?

One last item:
Congratulations to the Republicans for once again choosing the only possible candidate that can win for them in November. They’ve sure have a knack for doing that. The Dems?
Gun. Foot. Northeast. Liberal. Blam. Blam. Blam.
Don’t get me wrong, my hat is off to them. Love their spunk: if at first you don’t succeed try try try again.

  • I find the prospect of a McCain presidency very troubling. The US doesn’t need another impulsive smirking agressive fool with daddy issues.

  • The Washington Post lists Cofer (I’ll bring you the head of Bin Laden, Mr. Pres.) Black, and Roger Noriega, whom the Black Congressional Congress blame for the Aristide overthrow in Haiti, as Romney advisors. Liz (freedom and democracy for Iran) Cheney endorsed him.

    Meanwhile, McCain has former Reagan Sec.State Lawrence Eagleberger, Colin Powell, Rich Armitage, and Kissinger listed as informal advisors.

    I’m guessing that neo-cons would be more welcome at Romney policy meetings, though McCain has that sort-of hoar-like quality. I don’t mean hoar…

  • McCain wants war on everything—right down to the last grain of sand. Give the man a nice brown trenchcoat and a Charlie Chaplin mustache—and find him a publisher to print the story of his “kampf”—er…I meant to say “struggle.”

  • Two memorable farewell addresses.

    Beware entangling alliances. – (General & President) George Washington

    Beware the military-industrial complex. – (General & President) Dwight Eisenhower

  • “Those who approve of the neocon worldview, discredited and disgraced though it may be, will just love a McCain presidency.”

    The problem is that it is not the worldview that has been discredited – it’s the conduct of the invasion of Iraq. Americans are turned off by the war, not because belligerent, aggressive foreign policy is abhorrent to the American psyche, but because it became a disaster through Bush’s incompetence. Had we invaded Iraq with sufficient military force, had we not disbanded Iraq’s military, persecuted and fired the Baathists, and had we conducted proper oversight over the independent contractors, cared about the Iraqi people, etc. etc., the venture might have been “successful,” and the neocon dream might have been realized, which would have created a nightmarish future for America.

    Now McCain stands a fair chance to achieve his neocon, militaristic dream. Tens of millions of Americans are just champing at the bit to show the rest of the world how tough we really are.

    It’s really frightening. We mustn’ t become complacent because the polls show 2/3 of the people hate the war in Iraq. They hate it because we failed to kick the crap out of them. To frame it the way Obama has, we have to change the mindset of those who got us into that mess, or else defeat them at the polls, because they’re still there. They have in no way been shamed or chastised by the fiasco in Iraq.

  • In the general election, the fight over the war will build to a crescendo and when the Republicans have the Democrats officially on the record about withdrawing our troops, there will be another horrendous terrorist attack. Never mind that it will be on Bush’s watch, he’s toast now — it will conveniently ensure McCain’s election and endless war. That’s why there are some of us who believe the interests of the terrorists and the interests of the neocons converge and wouldn’t be surprised to find the neocons are steering support (via oiligarch states) to the “folks who want to destroy us.”

  • Doesn’t matter who gets (s)elected in November. We are not leaving Iraq for the foreseeable future. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, Huckabee: Doesn’t matter. We are there for the long haul. The Brits were there for almost forty years before they got out in 1958, and so will we. Clinton spouts elliptical nonsense all the time. At least with the Rethugs you know how bellicose and militaristic they are because they wear it on their sleeves. Not that I agree with any of it.

    Clinton’s carefully calibrated and overscripted prose is code, and we should see it that way. She won’t pull our troops out, but she may initiate a diplomatic approach that repeats (or tries to) Kosovo, one that is significantly better than what we have now, because right now we have no foeign policy other than the continued enrichment of the oil barons.

    Obama’s chief advantage is the positive statement his election would make to the world, not that the right-wing propaganda machine and their enablers (like Clinton) in Congress would allow him to achieve very much. I fear for his life.

  • Gee, lucky McCain is endorsed by the war monger nut-jobs that lose ever war they start. What a kudo for McCain – everyone else is standing in line for that endorsement in the general election!

  • whether invading iraq was a foreign policy disaster for the ages will be a good issue for the general election, if obama is the nominee.

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