NIE on Iran answers one question, raises a few more

The release yesterday of the conclusion of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran answered one big question: Iran does not have an active nuclear weapons program, which Tehran shut down more than four years ago. It’s a debate-changing revelation that fundamentally alters how national security and foreign policy professionals perceive events in the Middle East.

Having said that, the blockbuster disclosure raises some new questions that need answers. For example, why has the White House been saber-rattling, making claims about Iran that aren’t true?

President Bush got the world’s attention this fall when he warned that a nuclear-armed Iran might lead to World War III. But his stark warning came at least a month or two after he had first been told about fresh indications that Iran had actually halted its nuclear weapons program.

TP assembled some startling examples of “faulty, inflammatory rhetoric” from the Bush gang, which the White House press corps obviously remembers. It led to some interesting exchanges between reporters and National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley yesterday afternoon.

Q: Is it fair to say that the intelligence came in, in recent weeks, not recent months? Because this — as was pointed out, the press briefing was late October when the President was asked definitively, do you believe Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb? And that’s where you get, in the second part of that answer, the World War III comment.

HADLEY: Correct.

Q: So was it recent weeks that this intelligence came in?

HADLEY: What the intelligence community has said is in the last few months.

Of course, that makes matters worse, at least as far as White House credibility is concerned.

Put it this way: what does “months” mean? As recently as October, the President personally made multiple references to “World War III” with Iran; the Vice President insisted publicly that the U.S. “cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions”; and the president’s chief spokesperson said, matter-of-factly, that “Iran has not stepped back from trying to pursue a nuclear weapon.”

If that’s what the White House had to say in October, when did the Bush gang learn that they were wrong? Hadley told the press corps yesterday he wasn’t sure, exactly: “As I say, it was, in my recollection, is in the last few months.” Pressed for specifics, the NSA suggested it may have been “August, September.”

That wouldn’t help the White House’s case — the Bush gang may be confused, but “August, September” comes before October.

OK, but if these guys had an NIE that told them the truth, and they went out and said the opposite anyway, why release the NIE’s conclusions at all? Why advertise the fact that they were lying? And why make the disclosure this week, undermining the administration’s efforts to secure new sanctions against Iran? At this point, no one seems to know for sure — Kevin Drum suggests congressional pressure forced the White House’s hand, though Spencer Ackerman argues that’s not the case.

As for the big picture, Josh Marshall raises an important point.

[I]t shows us once again, for anyone who needed showing, that everything this administration says on national security matters should be considered presumptively not only false, but actually the opposite of what is in fact true, until clear evidence to the contrary becomes available. They’re big liars. And actually being serious about the country’s security means doing everything possible to limit the amount of damage they can do over the next fourteen months while they still control the US military and the rest of the nation’s foreign policy apparatus.

Truer words were never spoken. We’re well past the point of giving the president the benefit of the doubt, or assuming that he has any credibility left on matters of national security or foreign policy. This is a White House that simply lies as a matter of course, reflexively, repeatedly, and shamelessly.

The clowns parade the WH daily! Or, in the super secret minds of Mr.s Cheney, Bush and McConnell everything makes perfect and legal sense – it’s just that they can’t let us know since to do so would breech their super secret ideas of national security. With every passing moment we witness the baffoons in charge – what sad days for our republic. In the meantime, hows that “I’m not gay” guy doing in Bali? -Kevo

  • But his stark warning came at least a month or two after he had first been told about fresh indications that Iran had actually halted its nuclear weapons program.

    I think WaPo blew it here.

    It’s really hard to tell from the article, but it sounds to me like they are referring to this Stephen Hadley quote:

    [W]hen was the president notified that there was new information available? We’ll try and get you a precise answer. As I say, it was, in my recollection, is in the last few months. Whether that’s October — August-September, we’ll try and get you an answer for that.

    The only elaboration of WaPo’s first-paragraph claim comes very late in the article, and consists of:

    Still, the administration understood how explosive the new conclusions would be and kept them tightly held. Hadley said Bush was first told in August or September about intelligence indicating Iran had halted its weapons program, but was advised it would take time to evaluate.

    No one else is reporting any such bombshell this morning.

  • …everything this administration says on national security matters should be considered presumptively not only false, but actually the opposite of what is in fact true, until clear evidence to the contrary becomes available. They’re big liars.

    Except when it comes to the events of 9/11, then the “mainstream” buries its head in the sand.

    The Global War on a Psychological State rages on…

  • Cheney and Bush really, really, really want to pick a fight with Iran, and they are ignoring intelligence that contradicts their imagined reasons for doing so. It’s the same thing that they did in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq.

    What I don’t understand is why. Our military has been bled dry in Iraq, so we don’t have resources to fight still another war. No one thinks that Iranians would welcome our bombers as “liberators,” not even Cheney. Are Cheney and Bush Manchurian jihadist presidents sent to destroy America? Or are they just batshit insane, simple as that?

    (Adjusts tinfoil hat.) Or do they think that a military crisis might keep Republicans in power?

  • Politicians wouldn’t continuously lie, big time, if they didn’t have reason to believe they could get away with it.

    Our politicians lie continuously, big time.

    Ergo, ….

    I know there are pitfalls in that syllogism, and yet it underscores a truth: the fault lies not so much in our politicians as in the world they’re adapting to, Namely, us. Our ignorance. Our willingness to trust. Our hopelessly inept media (especially TeeVee).

  • Juan Cole has some interesting insights on this, including who may have provided the intelligence and why Bush/Cheney continued their saber rattling toward Iran after they knew the truth. Scroll down to “Did an Iranian Spy Clear Tehran of Nuclear Ambitions?”

  • Perhaps some instructive guidance is available on why the Bush administration so stubbornly defended the view that Iran simply must be working double shifts on acquiring a nuclear weapon. Here’s the teaser; “Why does Iran need nuclear power to generate electricity – Iran floats on a sea of oil!” Who said that? That’s right, Paul Wolfowitz; the very same tinker-tailor-strategist-world bank president who simply cannot seem to step on his own dick hard enough that it render him unemployable on the taxpayers money.

  • No shock considering Dick Cheney fought like he did to not go to Vietnam to keep this NIE secret.

  • The beat goes on…

    How did we know that Iran was developing nuke weapons? That’s right – the Likud Party (Israel) and their press agency (AIPAC) and the Bush admin told us so.

    Most of the Repug Prez candidates have already gotten on the record that “We must keep the military options open”.

    The Bushites & their minions must still believe that fear is the only card left in their deck & that starting another war is the only option to keep the presidency & retake Congress.

    Do NOT bet your money that the U.S. will not attack Iran next year, either shortly before or after the presidential candidates are selected. Israel wants it and it is the last, best hope for the Rethugs to keep control of the presidency.

  • If Iran got the bomb they’d bomb Israel.
    The whole world would condemn it. No world war, since Iran would stand alone against us all.
    So the world war threat was, like most of Bush’s statements, hyperbole..

    In the age of global warming, we should encourage the use of nuclear power. We need to focus on is how to get there without the bomb.

  • If Iran got the bomb they’d bomb Israel.
    Re: Nell @ #10

    Is that just a NeoCon canard or can you support your assertion?

  • Neil, you’ve been sold some crap.

    If Iran wanted to commit suicide they could do so with their chemical or biological weapons. Chuck a bunch of them at Israel, and you’d have the same effect as if you launched a nuke. Instant suicide.

    Israel has hundreds of nukes and they would love nothing more than to have an excuse to wipe Iran off the map.

    The fundie morons who dream of armageddon think that Iran only wants the bomb so that they can commit suicide, but they don’t think so good. Don’t be like them, K? Iran wants the bomb so they can deter Israel and us from doing what we did to them and their neighbors repeatedly.

  • To rephrase Huckabee, just because we didn’t find a nuclear bomb in Iran, doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    Okie, I think, hit it dead on: the only way to save the Republican party at this point is to rally the country behind another war or provoke another terrorist attack to rally the country. Since neither Bush nor Cheney seem capable of thinking outside of partisan politics, those seem very likely scenarios.

  • “the Bush gang may be confused, but “August, September” comes before October”

    CB, you are missing the broader implication. Iran dismantled their nuke program four years ago. Are Bush and Cheney going to sit their and act like they didn’t know that until August, September, or October of 2007 ??.

    PLEAZE.

    Someone had better ask them what year, cause I ain’t buying 2007.

    I am thinking they decided to dismantle it right after the invasion. Which I can only assume will be a talking point as soon as Fox gets their act together and realizes, “Bush was responsible for dismantling Iran’s nuke program”.

    That’s my guess on the spin.

  • Racerx –

    If Iran wanted to commit suicide they could do so with their chemical or biological weapons. Chuck a bunch of them at Israel, and you’d have the same effect as if you launched a nuke. Instant suicide.

    Exactly right – the whole “Iran wants a nuke so they can blow up Israel” canard ONLY makes sense if you assume that the leadership of Iran is a bunch of suicidal loons who care more about destroying Israel than for their own survival.

    Is it any wonder, then, that many, many pages have been devoted into making Ahmadinijead out to be even loonier than he apparently is? And that among those pages it is only very, very rarely pointed out that as President of Iran he has exactly zero control over the armed forces? That the person responsible for dropping a nuke on Israel would actually be the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, who is by all accounts far less loony and much more in the mold of a traditional authoritarian who wants to maintain his grip on his own seat of power rather than blow it all in a suicidal symbolic gesture?

    The whole country is being played by the warmongers. I’m just surprised that some apparently sane people in the intelligence community managed to get the word out despite the warmongers.

  • I think Bush and Cheney are still back pre-9/11 when people didn’t get information on the internet in a matter of hours and not waiting for the msm to disseminate info if ever.

    It took a long time for questions I had about 9/11 and the subsequent trifecta war on Afghanistan/ Terror/ Iraq to even get ASKED let alone answered.

    But now, when I have a question about what Bush, Cheney, Rove, the AG, hell even minor aides and flunkies are up too, it’s on virtually every leftie blog and half the rightie blogs to see, discuss, debate and be pissed about. If Hilliary Clinton were to go in her room, pull down her shade, turn off the light and sneeze, next day Fox News would be wondering if she had the Mercer virus.

    The point is, Bush/ Cheney/ GOP & Co. may still be manipulating info but it’s being fielded downstream and filtered way quicker than it used to be.

    Now even little old me, in small town Ohio, knows that Bush is full of shit and has been for some time on this Iran thing.

    I wonder how long before I’m on the no-fly list for not believing their hype and stating so publicly?

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