Noonan worried about ‘wincing’

The Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan devoted her column today to what she sees as a harshness in our public discourse. She begins by equating Ann Coulter’s “faggot” comment with Bill Maher’s suggestion that Dick Cheney’s death could save lives in Iraq.

The truth is many liberals were dismayed by Mr. Maher because he made them look bad, and many conservatives were mad at Ms. Coulter for the same reason.

I realized as I watched it all play out that there’s a kind of simple way to know whether something you just heard is something that should not have been said. It is: Did it make you wince? When the Winceometer is triggered, it’s an excellent indication that what you just heard is unfortunate and ought not to be repeated.

In both cases, Mr. Maher and Ms. Coulter, when I heard them, I winced. Did you? I thought so. In modern life we wince a lot.

Noonan’s broader point was that we should reject political correctness and efforts to curb offensive speech, and instead embrace some ambiguous “wince” standard — if the average American “winces” at a controversial statement, the speaker should show greater restraint.

As Steve M. noted, that’s an “interesting standard” for Noonan to take, in light of her own wince-worthy comments.

For example, Noonan wrote last summer: “Frank Rich is running around with his antiwar screeds as if it’s 1968 and he’s an idealist with a beard, as opposed to what he is, a guy who if he pierced his ears gravy would come out.”

On Hillary Clinton, Noonan added, “No one in America thinks she’s a woman. They think she’s a tough little termagant in a pantsuit. They think she’s something between an android and a female impersonator. She is not perceived as a big warm mommy trying to resist her constant impulse to sneak you candy. They think she has to resist her constant impulse to hit you with a bat…. She does not seem like someone who would anguish and weep over sending men into harm’s way…. Maybe she thinks that if she wept, the wires that hold her together would short.”

Like Steve M., I found both of these more than enough to “wince,” and I thought I’d add a couple more that come to mind.

Two years ago, it was Noonan who said Mark Felt, Watergate’s Deep Throat, was indirectly responsible for genocide in Cambodia.

Around the same time, it was also Noonan who argued during the Schiavo controversy that liberals “seem to have fallen half in love with death.”

And a few years before that Noonan argued that Bill Clinton wasn’t “a man” because he wasn’t willing to separate Elian Gonzales from his father in Cuba.

If “wincing” was the standard for which political figures are judged, Noonan should have given up her column years ago.

Hey now, the twit’s incompetent waste of newsprint does has its uses; I can wrap the entrails of a freshly-caught fish in a Noonan column….

  • I have been listening to a lot of conservatives bring up comments made by liberal COMEDIANS and equate those nasty comments with comments made by main stream Republicans.

    Coulter, until recently, was very much in the main stream. Jerry Fawell was in the main stream.

    Chris Rock is not considered anything but a comedian. OK, he has some good political commentary but he doesn’t claim to be anything but a comedian.

    Noonan wants to be taken seriously, Coulter wants to be taken seriously.
    Steven Colbert wants to be compared with the Three Stooges.

    There is a difference.

  • Republicans (today’s anyway) don’t do humor well if at all. Hatred yes, humor no.

    That Dick Cheney’s death could save lives in Iraq is not funny but it is certainly a fact.

    Ann Coulter saying that political correctness prevents her from calling Edwards a faggot is neither factual nor funny. It’s just hateful.

  • Reagan violated the constitution funding an illegal war, and sold advanced weapons to our enemies. But Noonan thinks he was one of our best presidents.

    Her “Winceometer” hasn’t ever worked.

  • I would like to see a transcript of Bill Maher’s remarks on Cheney. It seemed to me that he carefully avoided expressing a personal desire for Cheney’s death. He mentioned the comments of others who wished Cheney dead.

    If I remember correctly, Maher pointed out that if, if that is, Cheney had been killed other lives would be saved.

    I think the right wing blogs have misinterpreted exactly what Maher said (on purpose S.O.P).

  • Maher pointed out that if, if that is, Cheney had been killed other lives would be saved.

    That is what he said. And it’s not a stretch to think that Maher meant that he would, if forced to choose, have chosen one death (Cheney’s) over many others. So the wingnuts were essentially correct about what he said.

    But who cares? There are millions of Americans who would say the same thing. And how many wingnuts wished Clinton dead? There is a first amendment, and it protects this kind of thing.

  • P. Noonan’s vapid maundering makes me wince.

    When the Winceometer is triggered, it’s an excellent indication that what you just heard is unfortunate and ought not to be repeated.

    Unfortunate? The F word is “unfortunate”? Sorry, the fact that a hack like Noonan gets space in any paper more wide read than the Dunghill Times-Courier is “unfortunate.” Use of the F word (and applauding it ) is hateful and disgusting.

    As for Maher, aside from the fact that his comments were directed at one evil son-of-a-bitch and made on his own TV show, since when has he been a liberal? I always considered him an old-school con. But like the idiot who “rebuked” CPAC, Nooner couldn’t resist the urge to squeal “See, the libruls do it too!” even if she did have to rummage around for a counter example.

    On second thoughts, she doesn’t just make me wince, she makes me ill.

  • I have been listening to a lot of conservatives bring up comments made by liberal COMEDIANS and equate those nasty comments with comments made by main stream Republicans. — Neil Wilson, @2

    That’s the first difference — Maher is a comedian, Coulter thinks of herself as a serious pundit.

    The second difference is the underlying truth of Maher’s statement which was lacking in Coulter’s.

    And Noonan ought to watch it; if she winces too much over what comedians say, she’ll get crow’s feet.

  • Republicans in congress have failed at oversight because have taken Noonan’s advice to heart in dealing with Bush.

    ” When the Winceometer is triggered, it’s an excellent indication that what you just heard is unfortunate and ought not to be repeated. “

  • Why does political discourse even have to push the edge of the envelope to the point where our bodies reflexively engage in protective measures like wincing? Over time those thresholds from when we once recoiled can be pushed back through being desensitized. I disagree with Noonan that we should even try to regularly flirt with extreme offensiveness. It only trains us to become worse people. It’s not the allegedly liberal Hollywood types that are destroying our culture. It’s folks like Peggy Noonan that want us slowly erode away our civillity.

  • Petorado @ 12

    Great point! I was trying to figure out what it was exactly that I disagreed with rather than just the difference between Maher the supposed liberal’s comment and Coulter’s.

    It reminds me of the classic line in “Broadcast News”:

    What do you think the Devil is going to look? Nobody is going to be taken in if he has a long, red, pointy tail. He will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation…. he will just bit by little bit lower standards where they are important.

  • The remark about gravy coming out of pierced ears was funny (if still wince-worthy) when Joan Rivers made it about Liz Taylor at least 25 years ago. Noon can’t even steal a joke and make it work.

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