Note to the right: 24 is just a TV show

I can appreciate the fact that the right is having some trouble defending its national security policies, but the near-constant references to the TV show 24 are getting a little silly. Media Matters had a good item on this yesterday.

In his January 30 syndicated column, Cal Thomas attacked “ideologically decrepit” Iraq war protesters and claimed: “Unlike Vietnam, the Islamofascists won’t leave us alone if we leave Iraq before stability is established.” Discussing the possible consequences of exiting Iraq, Thomas referenced Fox Broadcasting’s TV series 24: “Watch the TV drama ’24’ for what could be our prophetic and imminent future with a nuclear device exploding in major cities. Having concluded we don’t have the stomach to fight them on their turf, they might understandably deduce we are even less willing to fight them on ours.”

Thomas is not the first conservative to use 24 to forecast a nuclear attack on the United States. On the January 16 edition of Fox News’ The Big Story — airing a day after the premiere of 24’s sixth season, in which “terrorists detonate a mini nuclear bomb in downtown Los Angeles” — host John Gibson stated: “Well, certainly may be fiction for now. But 24’s Jack Bauer has it right. People need to wake up to the possibility of nuclear attack.” Gibson later asked: “Is 24’s faux suitcase nuke bomb a real wake-up call for America? Should we take this as an early warning sign that something like this could happen here?”

This has been going on for a while. In September, Laura Ingraham justified torture techniques by pointing to the show. Around the same time, Glenn Beck did the same thing. Two weeks ago, Fox News ran a segment quoting a private investigator using 24 to justify the use of racial profiling when searching for terror suspects: “The fact of the matter is — I mean, you don’t watch 24 on Fox TV? They’re out there. They’re out there. There are cells out there. We have to protect ourselves against it, as Americans.”

Note to the right: 24 is just a TV show. It’s fiction. Made-up characters working for made-up agencies in made-up scenarios don’t actually help bolster your policy positions.

TNR’s Christopher Orr wrote a piece in May noting the way in which Jack Bauer somehow became a conservative hero.

As befits his training, he is a man of action: decisive, aggressive, and disinclined to play by the rules when he feels they’re getting in the way. He never wavers, second-guesses, or gives in to criticism, instead doing whatever needs to be done to safeguard American lives, regardless of the costs.

[tag]Conservative[/tag] fans of the show frequently note the similarities between Bauer’s disposition and that of a certain White House resident, and they claim that “24”‘s popularity is evidence that, whatever the polls may say, Americans want someone like [tag]Bush[/tag] to defend them in these troubled times. [Pat] Buchanan has gone as far as to pronounce the president our “Jack Bauer in the war on terror.”

I should admit that Ms. Carpetbagger and I have been watching the show for a while now and don’t quite see the connection the right prefers. As is often the case with political interpretations of art, people are generally seeing what they want to see. And, as Orr explained, the show probably tilts towards the Dems, suggesting that GOP fans of the show are missing key indicators.

Yes, there have been characters on the show who seem hatched from an Ann Coulter fever dream: a terrorist-coddling lawyer from “Amnesty Global” who prevents a much-needed interrogation; the secretary of defense’s petulant lefty son, who has to be chided for his “sixth-grade, Michael Moore logic,” et cetera.

But their population is dwarfed, in both number and significance, by the cast of liberal bugaboos: the shadowy businessmen who nefariously appear to pull the strings of more than one president; the vice president so eager to start a war in the Middle East that he uses the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to remove the more cautious president; and so on. It’s also hard to imagine it a coincidence that David Palmer, the wise, stalwart, honest president of the early seasons, is a Democrat, and that the Republicans who succeed him are a scandalmonger and a Nixonesque weasel who ultimately proves to be at the center of a conspiracy to manufacture evidence that will enable the deployment of U.S. forces abroad. “[tag]24[/tag]” may swing right more often than such one-sided liberal wish-fulfillments as “The West Wing” and “Commander in Chief,” but, on balance, its schizophrenic mix of political provocations still leans to the left.

I’d add a few more. Last season, there was a Republican president with a dangerous combination of dishonesty and a thirst for near-dictatorial power, who couldn’t be bothered to deal with constitutional limits in his ends-justify-the-means approach to national security. He was, needless to say, a villain. This season, Muslim detainees are unjustly incarcerated and mistreated, the FBI is characterized as abusing their power, a heroic White House aide is standing up for the Constitution while a villainous aide embraces the conservative line, and even Bauer has embraced the idea that the key to counterterrorism is relying on, instead of alienating, Muslim allies.

I suppose I can understand the appeal of the show for Bush’s allies — the White House national security policy and 24 are both largely based on fiction. But that hardly makes it a Republican show.

The show is actually created by a pair of right wingers – they also plan to come up with a “conservative answer” to the Daily Show (CB blogged about this a few months ago). The show is a “right wing show,” and is so consciously on the part of the creators.

I’ve never been able to figure why anyone with an IQ over room temperature thought there was anything worth watching with this bullshit show. The only good thing I can think of it is a couple actor friends of mine who had hit “rough spots” in their careers got work on it and got out of the hole. (Sorry CB, them’s the facts)

  • Gosh.

    The GOP base will point at you and deride that next you all are gonna start claiming that all them TV shows still don’t prove that there are angels!

    Just another reason I don’t watch TV unless I’m stuck in a motel room for my job. There are so many more interesting things to do, including having some playtime on CB.

  • When pressed, right-wingers often rely on fiction to sell their points. The Great Communicator masterfully mesmerized himself and others into believing his movie scenes were real.

    I’m waiting for the time — probably soon — when Bush attacks Iran on the basis of an episode of “24.” Making reference to similar “evidence” culled from Fox News talk shows and old episodes of “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,” the president will claim slam-dunk intel and call on Congress to give him the green light to use force against the “imminent” Iranian threat. And Congress will give it to him.

  • The right wing’s analogy that 24 proves the need for torture and reinforces that terrorist cells are in our midst is refuted completely by Scooby Doo who never had to torture to get the truth out of bad people, found that the people who wanted to scare everyone were always authority figures who would benefit financially from fear and are better than Jack Bauer because they could solve the misdeeds in a half an hour that Jack Bauer takes a season to do.

    There! A complete refutation of their argument by fighting their imaginary characters with other ones. The solution to Iraq is the get the Mystery Machine over to Iraq as soon as possible. The war will be over in half an hour with hilarious highjinks along the way.

  • back in march i posted, quoting Howard Fineman: ‘…Politically, the war in Iraq is a loser; Bush has said as much. So for the new season — the fall congressional elections and beyond — there will be a new shooting script and a reshaped presidential character.

    ‘I saw the rushes the other day when the Republican National Committee released the text of a radio ad and Bush held a hastily called press conference. The revamped story line is WATITH (the “war against terrorists inside the homeland”) and it will feature Bush not as Top Gun, but as Top Gumshoe: a mix of Eliot Ness, J. Edgar Hoover and Agent Jack Bauer…’

    make of that what thou wilt; my post is here: WATITH maketh a make-believe man?

  • 24 is fascist liberator funnies. It is made and cut in a totally comic book fashion to keep you from thinking about it (really, what happened to all the traffic in LA?). Jack Bauer is no different than Batman or Spiderman or any of a thousand comic book heroes. Anyone stupid enough to believe it should be treated with all due seriousness.

    However, the blogging about it over at Television Without Pity is hilarious;>

  • One thing the wingers conveniently forget about Jack Bauer is that he is willing to take responsibility for the things he does. I seem to remember on more than one occasion where Jack did something illegal and said that he will be willing to accept the consequences of it. The Bush administration does the same things (torture) but does not want to be held accountable for it.

  • This is too goddamned funny. The RW believes that 24 shows some kind of counter terrorism reality?

    As for Faux’s answer to TDS. Someone saw a preview of the show and basically it goes: “Look how stupid Libs and Dems are. Isn’t that fucking hilarious?!?!? (Sound of Crickets Chirping)”

    Rush Limpdick actually thinks it’s funny which is probably the kiss of death considering how awful his early 90s TV show was.

  • Finally, some one gets this show. I don’t care if right wingers write the show, the right wingers are getting bashed on the show!!
    You have the poor black president, refusing to do the things, well maybe resisting, things like locking up all Muslims, martial law. The show makes this administration look bad.
    For God’s sakes, Jack Bauer shot and killed his own man in order to save a terrorist!!!
    People see this show from the wrong angle in my opinion.
    I see the show as exposing the crazies that want to take our rights away and showing that there are good muslims as well as some bad.
    Anyway that is my two cents.

  • Personally, I love the show, and I want writers that dream up great fiction, don’t use facts, make up crazy stuff off the top of their heads, and then formulate impossible situations!!! Jeez, I want every rightwing nutbag out there to write TV!!!… seriously, anyone who looks at Television for any basis in reality is a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

    It’s a great show. It’s fiction. I mean, if “24” were based on reality we’d have to sit through an entire episode devoted to the Vice President not listening to intelligence assessments. B-b-b-oring.

  • Interestingly enough, the person who plays Jack Bauer is, of course, Kiefer Sutherland, son of Donald Sutherland and Shirley Douglas, daughter of Tommy Douglas, socialist premier of Saskatchewan and father of Canada’s single payer socialised health system. Furthermore, his father (Donald) spent the Vietnam years making a little movie called MASH and touring SE Asia in the FTA tour with Jane Fonda working against the war. Finally, one of his most famous roles inside Canada (though rarely seen outside of this country) was in the TV miniseries Bethune, about Dr. Bethune, famed surgeon, founder of the forerunner of the Red Cross in Spain during its civil war in the thirties, who died in China of blood poisoning working as a war surgeon for the Revolutionary Army under Mao. Bethune is also credited with having revolutionised the treatment of tuberculosis (he suffered from it himself) in the era before antibiotics.

    In short, Kiefer Sutherland’s citizenship is that of Canuckistan, and his pedigree in this country is from the upper echelons of both socialism (albeit market socialism; communism never gained much of a foothold in Canada) and pacifism, with a family that boasts a long resume including the celebration of humanist, socialist pioneers as well as pacifist art and concrete accomplishments in the improvement of both the living and working conditions of Canadians. Where do you think his perspective lies?

  • Keifer Sutherland was interviewed on Charlie Rose and spoke to the right wing love for the show. He said that there are both lefties and righties on the writing staff and that’s a TV show with torture and terrorist attacks heightened beyond objective reality for dramatic effect.

    Sutherland’s grandfather was a Canadian politician who is credited with bringing “socialized medicine” to that country and Sutherland himself says that he would be classified as a liberal by most people.

  • The right loves to point to this show for the “ticking time bomb” justification for torture. But if you sat down and did an inventory of the times Jack has used torture to get information, you’d find that in almost every case it proves useless. Either he gets it too late, or it turns out to be bogus, or it doesn’t make any difference one way or the other. Not to mention the republican sleezebag president of last year, and the “super patriots” who end up giving toxic nerve gas to the terrorists who use it on American targets. Can’t get much more “left” than that.

  • Now that they’re mad at Battlestar Galactica for showing how desperate insugents will get during an occupation, the wingnuts need another “cool” show to attach itself to.

    Slightly off topic, (but not much) can anyone tell me why I saw Republicans wearing “Indiana Jones” fedoras and leathr jackets at their last convention? Were they trying to co-opt “Raiders” too? What’s with this strange parasitic need to be cool?

  • I seem to remember on more than one occasion where Jack did something illegal and said that he will be willing to accept the consequences of it.

    Good one: exactly what I was going to say. You wouldn’t think of Jack Bauer trying to stack his department with ass-kissers who could be blamed if (okay, when) things go wrong.

    I stopped watching 24 after trying to figure out what the fuss was about; this took watching the first couple of seasons on DVD. I really found the casual acceptance of torture unpleasant. Chacun a son gout, I suppose.

    What’s kind of funny, though, is that it’s pretty hard to imagine liberal commentators supporting their views by reference to some piece of fiction. Does it only work for fiction that revs people up, makes them excited and perhaps vicariously angry?

  • Funny how, neocons point to the fictional ’24’ as a case study/documentary of the ‘reality’ of Muslim extremists, but ignore whether the equally fictional ‘West Wing’ illustrates the triumph of liberalism in government.

    Also, while, ’24’ creators/executive producers/writers Joel Surnow and Robert Cochran are diehard Republicks, executive producer Howard Gordon claims to be a staunch Democrat. It makes ya wonder exactly how Season 5’s portrayal of a wishy-washy republican prez who is easily arm-twisted into faking an attack on US soil to garner public support of a foreign invasion for personal glory and power, a well circulated theory of the workings of the bush administration, made it to air.

  • Yeah, the idea that he’s doing it for the neocon love is more than a little out there, considering who his family is, as well as the work that they’ve done here at home.

    He is one of the executive producers, right? Let’s see, one of the executive producers of 24’s grandfather instituted socialized medicare. Sounds solidly republican, no?

    Of course, US folks wouldn’t know about that. In fact, it seems they’d even have trouble conceiving of it.

  • Man, I find it more convincing (but not much) when the wingers “prove” their points by reference to that venerable fictional entertainment the Bible.

  • Until the story about Joel Surnow developing a Daily-like-Show for Fox News I thought 24 was a right wing parody. But now I think Surnow’s serious! Seriously deluded, that is. Could there be a more dysfunctional unit than CTU? Or a more dysfunctional person than Jack Bauer? I mean this outfit is fucked up in a big way. — The irony is, Surnow doesn’t get his own joke.

  • “And, as Orr explained, the show probably tilts towards the Dems, suggesting that GOP fans of the show are missing key indicators.” — CB

    Right. The same indicators they miss in the real world, the Constitution, etc.

    My better half and I have been watching for several seasons and last season got our 17 year-old daughter hooked. We’ve found the show provides a springboard for all sorts of ethical, moral, political and historical discussions with her.

    These kids who’ve grown up in the post 9/11 world think about a lot of things that they don’t necessarily talk about — at least with adults — and they’ve had to reconcile their experiences with what they’ve been taught about history and democracy in school.

  • Fox shows always have this kind of conflicted mind-f(udge) going on. Remember the X-Files? The government is hooked up with Nazi and Imperial Japanese scientists in a plot to mix alien and human DNA to pave the way for invasion with a subsequent Wolfpack resistance movement, vaccinated with anti-black oil serum? That fed all kinds of peoples’ pet neuroses and fanned up the anti-government nuts during the Clinton administration.
    Bush gets enthroned by the crooked Supreme Court and suddenly Fox shows are all about big government saving people using unorthodox tactics and constantly trampling peoples rights, but this time its for their own good.
    Thank god for Rollins and Samurai Saturday on IFC.

  • So—why not just “return the favor?” Get some independent stations to start airing classics like “Animal Farm,” “Grapes of Wrath,” “Catch 22,” “Fahrenheit 451,” and “1984”—all directly opposite of “24.” Play their game, by their rules, and start stripping their audience-base away from the mesmerism of their fascist fantasies. Offer people an alternative to this newest version of Mccarthyism tripe—or else be prepared for the very real possibility of a government that can start hammering people to “prove that they’ve never been affiliated with the al Quaeda Party….”

  • Watched every episode and I find the show sociologically interesting. Clearly, Jack Bauer is a sick puppy. And he more-or-less realizes he’s a sick puppy. In no way am I talking exclusively about the current season. Bauer is a harried, tortured sociopathic tool of the system who isn’t having good days at all.

    Contrast Jack Baeur with classic Bond, James Bond. At least in the core movies, it looked like James Bond was having a pretty good time and if it meant he had to kill a few people or escape death himself now and then, the perks of the job adequately compensated for the risks.

    From that perspective, which character is more human and which is the more perverse media role model: James Bond or Jack Bauer?

  • Just because the MRC and Newsbusters and other wingnuts uses 24 as such, it follows that the show is created as propaganda or justification for the Bush administration’s terrorism agenda. I’m also not exactly sure when “holding a mirror up to nature”, as Hamlet put it, became political gamesmanship instead of the responsibility of the artist, regardless of the medium. The line that Olbermann claims has been blurred between fact and fiction is a line that, as artists, we are responsible for either blurring or eliminating completely every time we set out. If we, as artists, do not cross, obliterate or change the color, density, texture and/or placement of that line in our work, we have not done our job. The artist crossing or blurring that line is what makes the observer question their beliefs long enough to be impacted on a level they cannot attain in their mundane moment-to-moment existence. And that’s terrifying to some. In effect then, all artists are, at best, terrorists.

    If, for example, we had taken CHEERS this seriously as social commentary, recovering alcoholics could have complained that it treated the subject too lightly as it portrayed drunks hanging around a bar day and night as lovable curmudgeons, diminishing the tragic consequences of a life threatening disease. Cops could have been outraged that HILL STREET BLUES revealed their ranks as flawed and perhaps corrupt human beings and that Ed Norton, Ralph Cramden’s goof-ball sidekick on THE HONEYMOONERS, might be a communist sympathizer who worked in the sewer which could well have been a metaphor for the takeover of America by the Pinkos.

    If these “big thinkers” at the Heritage Foundation sing the praises of 24 because they think it reflects their philosophy and hail Jack Bauer as their hero because he’ll go to any lengths to defend America from its enemies, it only shows a bankruptcy of ideas, inability to actualize and a dearth of intellectual resources on their part. But I understand it. When I was a kid, I wanted to emulate The Flash. He had a cool costume and boy, was he fast!

    I’m in line with the over 70% of Americans who disagree with Bush on his war in Iraq and how it’s being waged. I also take issue with certain western medical practices and the greedy pharmaceutical companies. But I don’t let it influence my reaction to a gripping medical drama when I watch one on TV.

    I propose that 24 is not agitprop and should not be viewed as such. The only reason the show has been politicized at all is that the show’s co-creator, Joel Surnow, has come out as something of a political lightening rod for the right who has friends on the fringes and, as hard as it might be, we on the left would do well to temper our response to that fact. By looking at what, rather than whom we disagree with, our response to 24 might be a little more reasonable. We might even see it for what it really is: a well-executed and alarmingly topical television drama. This means we need to look at the show’s narrative politics with a little more impartiality, perhaps even detachment. And this might be impossible for some, given the degree of extremism and ineptitude we’re faced with from the Bush administration – and how 24 strikes related issues and make them resonate – but worth a try for the sake of accuracy.

    I realize there are those who, in their cynicism, might think I’m just a gullible bleeding-heart actor being duped by the extreme right wing corporate machine that employs me. And maybe they’d be right. Maybe it’s so deep and I’ve have been in it for so long that I can’t even smell the crap I’m standing in. But, even as paranoid as I know I can be, I doubt it. I’ve watched FOX news. They’re not really that smart or cunning.

    The level of man’s fear can be measured by how unwilling he is to let go of his beliefs and how sacred he holds those beliefs. Having one’s beliefs challenged is a form of terrorism. To some, every bit as threatening as a suitcase nuke going off next door. I hope I never succumb to the fear of it. But I probably will. Still, it’s worth working to avoid.

  • I think everyone should take a serious look at the following site; only then can we really appreciate why the right adore 24 …and the fact that only Jack Bauer can save this great nation.
    jackbauerfacts.com
    My personal favorite: Jack Bauer once forgot where he put his keys. He then spent the next half-hour torturing himself until he gave up the location of the keys.

  • For all those who are attacking 24 as “McCarthyist tripe” and a show for idiots, I have one question: have you ever watched the damn thing? The fact is that 24 is a remarkably complex show that has excellent writing, direction, and acting. End of story. I’m sorry some of you find it tough to root for a character that isn’t pure and majestic, but not every character can be Martin Sheen from the West Wing. It’s fear mongering in the same sense Godzilla played into fears of nuclear bombs. It takes what makes us nervous and expands on that. Good god! Art as a social commentary!!! Who would have thought?????

  • If the right uses a show to justify it’s policies and “political thought”, then I hate to tell you, but it is a right-wing show.

    I recently read a piece on Alternet, I believe, about recent fictional novels using the whole terrorism thing but supposedly turning it on its head by having “gotcha” moments when the reader realizes that it wasn’t the Muslim terrorist who did whatever bad thing but actually a white European or whatever. The author of the piece said, that’s great but you’ve used the entire book to depict Muslims as terrorists and to build sympathy for the actual perpetrator. I think this is similar to “24”. Even if they sometimes, go “Aha, see it’s not always the brown man that’s bad,” they use it so often that it’s already been reinforced by everything else in the show.

  • James, I don’t know whether you’re being duped or not, and I’d prefer not to hypothesize on your motives, but you’re missing the point nonetheless. “The Left” don’t need to be condescendingly admonished for taking “24” too seriously. We aren’t taking it seriously. As this post illustrates, it’s “The Right” that is increasingly, bizarrely citing the events and scenarios of “24” as supporting evidence in a real debate. They are taking it seriously.

    It’s perfectly reasonable that some people don’t like “24” because of its content. It’s just an above average action movie in episodic form, with many of the cliches and failures of the genre. It’s chock full of contrivances, not the least of which is the effectiveness of torture. (Recall the season premiere: Bauer essentially declines to carry out the torture of a suspect, so his ad hoc partner does it and gets the information needed and just in the nick of time.) Bauer is inarguably presented as an uber-mensch who can extricate himself from nearly any situation that demands it; endure almost any pain; and stop almost any plot. Some people will find “24” to be schlock, and that doesn’t mean they’re not getting it or are over-thinking it. And it certainly doesn’t mean that the real problem is people who think “24” is agitprop and ought not be taken seriously, when there are people out there citing ticking time bomb scenarios and suitcase nukes and comparing the President to Jack Bauer.

  • The people who are calling this a right wing show need to watch it. It’s really both which is the genius of the show. The decisiveness, actually the brutality, is the key for the right wing. The Left wing aspects are more nuanced but much more common in the last two seasons. The bad guys are always.. always.. either the right wingers or the terrorists. The issue is, the obviously villanous right wingers (like the treasonous president and cabinet members last year) are doing things that the Right wing would actually approve of. In the oddly twisted mind of a freeper or a LGF’er, giving terrorists chemical weapons on the chance we might be able to set them off in their remote camp seems like a great idea. Never mind that we’re handing chemical weapons to terrorists in the US and that it does go wrong, they still thing it was a good idea. Forget shredding the constitution or giving weapons to our enemies.. these are parts of the Republican playbook.

    I do watch 24 and I enjoy the action. The story lines are, however, just moronic. The characters do the stupidest things. None of the technical aspects (I work in IT) make any sense. That part is infurating. There are 10 things in every episode where I have to say out loud.. “that’s f’ing stupid.. that doesn’t make any sense at all” but my wife watches and the action is good. I suspect that the simmering unbelieveability and stupidity also caters to the Right.

    My bottom line, however, is.. 24 is very anti-republican but the right wing fans just don’t get it.

  • I burned out on “24” during the very first season, not because it smacked of right wing propaganda (conditioning the viewing public to a general acceptance to the “need” for torture, for example), but because of the writers’ expression of an intense mysogyny. Most television programs seem to cast female characters in two ways, and “24” appears to be no different: “Good” women are dependent, weak, and essentially stupid, while “Bad” women are strong, smart females, using their intelligence (and sexuality) for some sort of evil!!

    How refreshing it would be, to have both sexes represented as smart and strong and working for good. Why the writers chose to feed an anti-female sentiment would be an interesting thesis topic.

  • Amy, I’m a bit confused by that. Now, it’s true that some female characters fit into those two types, specifically Kim in the first season. God was she annoying. But this season for example, Chlose is a major leader at CTU. Also, last season, the president’s wife Martha Logan practically saved the country, and she used her intelligence, sexuality, and even physical strength to do so. So I’m not sure that’s a really accurate statement.

  • YES 24 IS a right wing show…your understanding of how public perception is manipulated by elites just is not fine tuned.

    24 operates on the propaganda techneque of “hiding things in plain sight”

    For example, if a fictional government engages in a evil conspiracy, a real government can engage in the same conspiracy and if you try to call them on it, you are dismissed as a conspiracy theorist who watches too much television.

    Furthermore, by portraying corruption such as torture as a matter for debate, the goal posts for public debate are moved in their favor and the “shock” of previously taboo practices is reduced.

    Television is not a neutral medium where you can read into whatever you want to. The medium IS the message and shows like 24 are part of the cultural and political frog boiling that is the death of the American Constituition.

  • Although it would certainly make sense that David (and Wayne) Palmer are Democrats and the Cheney-like Presidents and Vice Presidents were Republicans, I don’t recall them ever mentioning the political parties of those characters.

    Have they done so? Can anyone point to an episode where the characters’ political affiliations were mentioned?

  • A lot of the comments on this thread dealt with whether the show 24 was right or left wing and if it had any redeeming qualities. The debate CB put forth, if I’m not mistaken, has to do with whether the right wing can substantiate its behavior by looking to TV as a roll model. This is a question of whether art should substantiate life or if meerly life imititates art.

  • To Jeff, they never have mentioned the political affiliation of anyone (besides this past week’s mention of Nadia being a republican) in any season… EXCEPT, in the very first season (or BEFORE 9/11). David Palmer is in California for the Presidential Primary and in either a conversation or a graphic, it’s mentioned that it’s the Democratic primary.

    From there, just follow who kicks Palmer’s butt and we see that brother Wayne is likely a Democrat.

    Saying that (or typing it) makes me realize that they could easily say that Wayne had switched parties. Hmm.

    Oh, and I do a 24 podcast and it’s really great to see liberal/progressive discussion of 24. It’s been hard for me to find my 24-fan way through the right wing’s climaxes for it.

  • I’ve been wondering how our culture affects our politics, and now I know. Plenty of people who should know better are no longer able to make the distinction between the shoot-em-up, Americans-can-do-anything-they-want-to messages of practically every movie and TV drama that airs and the actual world that doesn’t figure in those shows except as a foil for our American manliness and omnipotence.

  • The right is just trying to take the focus off terrorism prior to 9-11. Calling it “the war on terror” and using terms like “Islamofascists” they try avoid the issue that Bushie screwed up so badly by not paying attention to potential terrorist actions prior to 9-11.

  • Of course they forget that “24” is a TV show. First it is on Fox, which makes it the truth. Second, since the live in bizzaro world or at least an alternate universe, this show would seem real.

  • it’s a little more left-leaning in the current season, where using a former Muslim terrorist as an ally to help stop terrorism has a parallel in today’s situation with Iran and Syria… that is, the idea that they could help us with Iraq if we’d only agree to talk to them…

  • Many conservatives also have praised the new “Battlestar Galactica.” But like “24” it not a really a partisan show. Both “24” and “Battlestar” has villains and heros on both the right and the left. In fact, what both shows have in common is their moral greyness, which is the antitheses of the right’s world view. And they both happen to be my favorite shows.

  • The right wing’s analogy that 24 proves the need for torture and reinforces that terrorist cells are in our midst is refuted completely by Scooby Doo who never had to torture to get the truth out of bad people, found that the people who wanted to scare everyone were always authority figures who would benefit financially from fear and are better than Jack Bauer because they could solve the misdeeds in a half an hour that Jack Bauer takes a season to do.

    There! A complete refutation of their argument by fighting their imaginary characters with other ones. The solution to Iraq is the get the Mystery Machine over to Iraq as soon as possible. The war will be over in half an hour with hilarious highjinks along the way.

    Comment by petorado — 2/3/2007 @ 1:06 pm

    I loved this one! Yes, Scooby Doo, Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5; you find the political analogies!

  • The Canadian news satire show This Hour Has 22 Minutes on CBC (one of the advantages of cable service in Seattle) had fun with cast member Shaun Majumder ‘s appearance on 24 as a Muslim terrorist nuclear technician working for Abu Fayed. Hilarious!

  • >Scooby Doo in Iraq
    … and the masks are ripped off Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to reveal Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and George W Bush
    “And we woulda gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for you pesky meddling kids! (waak waak waak)”

  • Ha Ha!!! This is just too funny!

    24 is Fiction. Fake. Made up.

    It doesn’t reflect anything. No political slant, no ideology of the actors seeping out, no nothing. It sells ad dollars. End of story.

    However, there is a real war going on, with real people dying as a result of our tax dollars, and they aren’t being talked about…. now THAT ain’t too funny at all.

    Or is this what “the sacrafice of the American people” looks like?

  • Listen up people. Yes you pro war right wingnuts. John Wayne did not fight Indians, win the civil war, win WW II or fight as a Green Beret in Nam. Sean Connery did not win the cold war any more than Ronnie did and no Ronnie did not fly a Hellcat in the Pacific. Arnold did not fight aliens as a commado in South America. Murphy Brown was actually Candace Bergen and did not have an out of wedlock child by choice. Keifer Sutherland is not out saving the world from Bin Laden. Maybe if more Republicans actually signed up and fought in real combat or actually did some of the mind numbing intel work that we need done instead of watching too much TV the country would be better off. Come on it is FICTION! Real people are fighting and bleeding and dieing. Flesh wounds only happen in movies. Real soldiers loose limbs. Let’s get back to reality.

  • It occurred to me a while back that, on 24, torture always works — for the writers. If they need to slow things down to let the ‘B’ plot catch up, the torture will yield no useful results; if, on the other hand, they need a deus ex machina, the torture will miraculously yield the perfect information at exactly the right time (this can also be accomplished via CTU technobabble, but watching Chloe decrypt an intercepted communication is generally less, well, explodey).

    In either case, the result will be that Jack arrives either a moment too late, or exactly in time, depending on the requirements of the plot. The format of the show requires a lot of very careful bits of coincident timing, and aside from living in a magical version of L.A. where everything is exactly fifteen minutes away from everything else, torture is one of the best general-purpose pacing mechanisms they could want (and compared to the L.A. they live in, the ability of torture to provide useful information is the height of reality).

    The other, less obvious, role that torture plays on the show is that of the infodump. Complicated works of televised fiction have long faced the problem of how to provide large chunks of background information to viewers without having someone stop what they’re doing and explain everything to the camera. Well, torture solves that problem very nicely, doesn’t it? Just drill a couple of holes in some character, and have them expound at length upon the relevant facts in question, giving the viewers at home all the stuff they need to know to keep up with the action.

    In that respect, “shooting someone in the kneecaps” serves the same purpose on 24 that “walking quickly through hallways while having a zany conversation” served on The West Wing.

  • The kerfuffle over this show makes me wish for a return of the classic ’60’s show, The Man From U.N.C.L.E.-Solo & Kuryakin NEVER had to torture a THRUSH suspect or anybody else they did manage to apprehend to get info-for that matter, neither did John Steed or Emma Peel on The Avengers, let alone John Drake on Danger Man (Secret Agent in the U.S.). Trust me, if it was shown in a prime time slot on FOX or FX, it would kick the ass of shit like this, and show the right-wing assholes what true heroes do.

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