Novak, Rove, and a furtive promise about ‘not getting burned’

Bob [tag]Novak[/tag]’s account of how he came to publish the name of undercover [tag]CIA[/tag] agent [tag]Valerie Plame[/tag] has never really held together. His explanation(s) have included odd denials and contradictions, such as his claim that his [tag]White House[/tag] sources thought Plame’s identity was “significant,” and “they gave me the name,” followed by Novak’s claim that “nobody in the Bush administration called me to [tag]leak[/tag] this.” What happened in between these two competing comments? Novak chatted with [tag]Karl Rove[/tag].

According to a stunning report yesterday from National Journal’s [tag]Murray Waas[/tag], Rove was not only one of Novak’s sources on [tag]Plame[/tag], even more importantly, the two ethically-challenged men chatted after the federal criminal investigation was launched.

On September 29, 2003, three days after it became known that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, columnist Robert Novak telephoned White House senior adviser Karl Rove to assure Rove that he would protect him from being harmed by the investigation, according to people with firsthand knowledge of the federal grand jury testimony of both men. […]

Rove testified to the grand jury that during his telephone call with Novak, the columnist said words to the effect: “You are not going to get [tag]burned[/tag]” and “I don’t give up my [tag]sources[/tag],” according to people familiar with his testimony. Rove had been one of the “two senior administration” officials who had been sources for the July 14, 2003, column in which Novak outed Plame as an “agency operative.” Rove and Novak had talked about Plame on July 9, five days before Novak’s column was published.

The concern, obviously, as the two key players in a criminal case worked to create a cover story that would shield the truth from prosecutors. As Justin Rood put it, “In other words, there’s mounting evidence that Novak and Rove not only lied to the FBI and grand jury, but they conspired to [tag]obstruct[/tag] justice.”

Waas reported, however, that it’s “unlikely” Patrick Fitzgerald will bring charges related to the September 29 conversation because of how difficult it is to “prove what happened in a private conversation between two people” — especially, as one Waas source noted, when the two are willing to conceal the truth from the grand jury.

But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Waas quotes one former federal prosecutor as saying that the Novak-Rove chat could be seen as “the beginning of a [tag]conspiracy[/tag] to obstruct justice, given that they had reason to believe that an investigation would soon be under way.” Stay tuned.

The Douchebag of Liberty strikes again!

  • One would hope the fundementals of this situation won’t get lost:

    1) Plame WAS a covert operative working on non-proliferation, especially regarding Iran,
    2) Rove told Novak who she was at the behest of the VP who was upset with Wilson for saying Wilson’s mission was directed by Cheney,
    3) Amazingly, while Porter Goss can fire a veteran CIA employee 10 days before her retirement for TALKING to reporters, somehow Boy George II can’t fire Rove for LEAKING A CLASSIFIED AGENT’S NAME to a columnist,
    4) Rove and Novak seem to have conspired to lie to the Grand Jury.

  • it’s “unlikely” Patrick Fitzgerald will bring charges related to the September 29 conversation because of how difficult it is to “prove what happened in a private conversation between two people”

    Really? Just have the NSA pull the tapes. Oh wait, Cheney told Bush to tell Negroponte to tell Hayden to inadvertently have tapes from that date erased? Rats!

  • I have never been one to agree with Bob Novak. But, I think although this sounds like a conspiracy, many of us would agree that reporters defending their sources is an integral part of discovery when it comes to freedom of the press. See Brian Ross, Judith Miller, Secret Prisons, etc.

    That being said, Rove should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for any misdoings committed.

  • Would Novak go to the effort of contacting Rove and assuring him protection, if he didn’t think Rove needed it? Who offers cover to the innocent? It’s like saying, ‘Man, you just drove through that green light. But don’t worry cause if the cops ask, I’ll tell them it was green.’

  • What I want to know is how has Novak escaped charges? He publicly revealed classified information which he, arguably, knew to be classified. The presumption was that he got some sort of immunity in return for his testimony to the Grand Jury. Now it seems that there is a presumption that he conspired with Rove in a cover up. It can’t be that both facts are correct. Fitz will either indict Karl with Novak’s help or should indict Novak.

  • I have some questions about the story. The first is how did the investigators learn about the September 29, 2003 phone call? Was it via White House phone logs? Or did Rove or Novak volunteer the information during questioning? Second, if the investigators learned the information from an objective source, such as the phone logs, was Ashcroft briefed before or after Rove was interviewed, which would make him an accomplice to the cover-up? The time line which Waas gives is too skimpy to answer these questions.

    My guess is that Rove was not tipped off by Ashcroft since he would likely have had a story handy to explain the phone call which didn’t hint at a cover-up. And as JoeW notes the story he told is rather odd: Novak called to say he wouldn’t tell anyone he saw me go through a green light. huh? Rather, I think that he was blindsided the investigators and accidentally told the truth about the Novak call during the initial interview, but nonetheless stuck with the cover story he and Novak had concocted nonetheless.

    RhodyJim, this is from the National Journal article,

    Mark Feldstein, the director of journalism programs at George Washington University, said that Novak apparently acted outside traditional journalistic standards by reaching out to Rove after he believed that a criminal investigation had commenced: “A journalist’s natural instinct is to protect his source. Were there no criminal investigation, it would have been more than appropriate for a reporter to say to a source, ‘Don’t worry, I’m not going to out you.’ But if there is a criminal investigation under way, you can’t escape the inference that you are calling to coordinate your stories. You go very quickly from being a stand-up reporter to impairing a criminal investigation.”

  • Along Lance’s comments, I just want to know one thing: Did the outing of Plame result in any compromising of our nation’s ability to monitor the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?

  • “I just want to know one thing: Did the outing of Plame result in any compromising of our nation’s ability to monitor the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?” – 2Manchu

    All her contacts around the world are now compromised. Some could even be dead because of Rove’s leak. That’s why there is a law.

  • Give Novak a “perp walk” in public over the arrest on obstruction of justice, and leave the senile old sonofabitch overnight in an open cell where he can get to know his future neighbors (if he decides to “hang tight”) much better, and the next morning he’ll sing for his breakfast like a cat full of catnip.

  • Not just Plame’s current contacts that were compromised. Now all future work to develop human intelligence via non-diplomatic cover, which Plame was, will be much harder if not impossible. Operatives will not cooperate if they know that the White House is willing to expose their cover for selfish political reasons. Our ability to track WMD has been severely hurt, and somebody should go to jail. And it may be Robert Novak, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney.

    I think Fitzgerald may be working up Conspiracy charges. That would be serious.

  • Time magazine must give I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby drafts of articles so the former White House aide can use them to defend himself against perjury and other charges in the CIA leak case, a federal judge ruled Friday.- AP via WaPo

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