NYT confirms, Kristol to join op-ed roster

In case there was any doubt, the early reports from the Huffington Post were true: Bill Kristol is, in fact, going to be a regular op-ed columnist for the New York Times.

Times’ editorial page editor Andy Rosenthal defended the move. Rosenthal told Politico.com shortly after the official announcement Saturday that he fails to understand “this weird fear of opposing views….We have views on our op-ed page that are as hawkish or more so than Bill….

“The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual — and somehow that’s a bad thing,” Rosenthal added. “How intolerant is that?”

Rosenthal seems confused about the widespread criticism of the announcement, which is unfortunate — as an editor, one would like to think he at least understood why hiring Kristol is controversial.

There is no “fear of opposing views” here. No one, to my knowledge, has suggested that the NYT maintain an ideologically pure stable of op-ed columnists. If the Times were to add yet another conservative to its roster, it would be disappointing, but hardly the stuff of outrage.

Rather, the problem here is with Kristol specifically, because he is neither serious, nor respected, nor an intellectual, as evidenced by his recent assertion that criminal charges against the NYT may be necessary. John Cole spoke for many with this uncharitable take: “[P]eople see Kristol for what he is, a complete imbecile who has (take your pick) either been completely wrong about everything or lying about everything, and thus unworthy of the column.”

Matt Yglesias made a compelling case earlier this year that Kristol’s punditry has been so irresponsible, that his commentary moves “from banal categories like ‘worst’ to more exalted realms of ‘dangerousness.'”

Indeed, Brian Beutler added at the time:

I propose that we hereby refer to Bill Kristol as the most dangerous pundit in America. He has what seems like a mainline to the White House and yet, of all his colleagues, he is the most casually dishonest, the most outwardly war-hungry, and the most recklessly illogical.

I suppose my biggest beef with Kristol is just how consistent his errors have been. Generally, the law of averages suggests he would eventually get a few assertions right, but Media Matters assembled a list of recent Kristol observations — on matters ranging from foreign policy to campaign politics — all of which are obviously, demonstrably wrong. In most professions, repeated failures are not rewarded with promotions.

And therein lies the point of the NYT controversy. If the paper wanted to hire a “serious, respected conservative intellectual,” they picked the wrong person for the job. There’s simply no need to reward someone so foolish with one of the most prestigious jobs in American journalism.

That Rosenthal’s silly, defensive response is so unpersuasive suggests the paper does not yet realize just how unwise the Kristol decision really is.

a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual

Translated: he has name ID and a following; we think we can sell his ‘brand’ and make some cash before people see through him, at which point we’ll hire Drudge or someone.

  • The Times didn’t want to hire a “a serious, respected conservative intellectual”, they wanted to hire a right-wing propagandist who would attract like-minded zealots to the newspaper and churn the market. It’s about that good ol’ bottom line, not oxymorons.

  • After reading the “media matters” list, it looks like he’s hoping for the ‘honor’ to write either Bush’s or Cheney’s biographies once they leave office. After all, they will need someone who’s supposedly ‘respected’ to offer their view to the world. Since Anne Coulter doesn’t do biographies, the list of sycophants ‘worthy’ of the honor is getting slimmer.

    🙂

  • I was only opposed to the idea as long as I thought they were talking about hiring Bill Kristol. Apparently, that’s not the case; they have opted instead for a serious, respected conservative intellectual. I would have though the column would provide a perfect opportunity to introduce him/her, but as usual, they like to keep us in the dark.

  • Respected by whom, exactly? Not by me, certainly and I’m a fairly old-school conservative Republican. Hey, maybe the NYT will hire me. Hmmm. Gotta polish up that resume.

  • Apparently Rosenthal has only paid attention to his name and not his work. If he’s been paying attention to Kristol’s work he would not be able to make such comments with a straight face. No one else will hire him and then here comes the NYT…gotta think they aren’t that stupid so somebody is blowing somebody. Blisters on your knees yet Rosenthal? Now we have to pay the price of you trying to make Kristol relevant, that is showing the less intelligent among us the dishonesty and stupidity of this rag journal…er..I mean writer.

  • now that william the bloody is working there, has anyone asked manne coulter if she still wants to blow the place up?

  • I don’t want to start a big argument but who would be a real conservative who you think would be a good choice for the New York Times?

  • Kristol is a genius compared to the failed partial bith abortion otherwise known as Paul Krugman.

  • Ann made a suggestion a few days back which should be repeated: ignore Kristol and his tenure at NYT will be short. Sqwawk and bluster about him and his employers will be happy. Silence is best, or if y’all can’t do that, limit it to a brief, unemotional list of errors.

    I’ve thought about Neil’s question and I would actually like to read what the soon to be former Senator John Warner of Virginia would write.

  • I don’t even know what “real conservative” means any more, Neil, and it seems to mean different things to different people. Besides, individuals are appointed to such posts not for the purity of their ideals, but for their usefulness at driving agendas. Occasionally, one is selected for real expertise in a particular field, such as Paul Krugman in economics. I daresay you could find a non-lightning-rod conservative who is an expert in something and has been right more than 25% of the time in the last 6 years; the trouble is, nobody would have heard of him or her.

  • Say, Derrick; maybe you’d like to publish a short list of “Things Bill Kristol Got Right Since 2000”, contrasted with “Things Paul Krugman Got Right Since 2000”. You’d probably have to read a few columns, so if you’re not consumed with ambition like Fred Thompson, don’t start a project you’ll likely abandon as soon as you start getting answers you don’t like.

    Maybe you run a bank that threw everything it had into subprime mortgages. If that were the case, I could see why you evidently despise Krugman. He did, after all, forecast the collapse more than once and far in advance of the event.

  • “Rather, the problem here is with Kristol specifically, because he is neither serious, nor respected, nor an intellectual…”

    Clearly someone thinks he is at the Grey Lady.

  • There’s too much effort being made to criticize the NYT and not near enough comprehension and acceptance that this is who they are. Once again. A media entity has placed someone who’s completely inappropriate to everything that could be considered honest and accurate in a position of significance. Across the board there are morons like Glenn Beck at CNN and the entire roster of Faux who are placed in front of the public as representatives of these media entities and they are allowed, encouraged, very well paid to barf up their garbage.

    These decisions aren’t based on performance. They are solely based on ideology and an obsessive effort to substitute obtuseness for reality. The NYT didn’t pick Kristol’s name out of a hat full of the names of available propagandists. They vetted him. They know him. They accept what he has to say and write. And they like what he does. They aren’t shaking their heads in shame and disappointment at what they are doing. Nobody’s holding a gun to their head. They don’t have to do this. It is their choice.

    There is an election year coming up which is going to be a difficult one for all things neo-con and war mongering. Thus, a war mongering neo-con has been placed in a position where his words could reach many thousands. It’s not a coincidence.

    The NYT is not really surprised by the outcry. But many seem surprised and offended by their choice. Talk about cognitive dissonance. The correctness of their decision, in their eyes, is being confirmed.

  • Obviously, the NYT felt it too many sane writers and decided it needed someone to represent the psychologically and developmentally challenged among us. A psychiatrist rather than another victim of delusion would have been my choice.

  • Kristol is perhaps the canary in the cage; the harbinger of the new revitalized NYT…now sunk to a Murdochlike color: yellow. (as in yellow journalism)

    I’ll stick to Orange.

  • Just look at it this way… Remember the days when Republicans succeeded in making ‘liberal’ a dirty word? Isn’t this happening to themselves nowadays? Today, ‘conservative’ is a very bad word indeed, and it has nothing to do with the opposition making it so… They did this all to themselves.

    It seems that the Republican establishment, doesn’t know to stop digging. Their solution is to become more entrenched instead of giving moderation a chance.

    It’s their sure way ticket to resounding defeat during the next election. Nobody else to blame but themselves. Of course that doesn’t make Democrats automatic winners, just because they’re doing so by default.

  • Well, there’s another way to look at it…

    I would venture to guess that most people only know Kristol from his Fox News Sunday gig, and there, he’s preaching to the choir – they know him and love him.

    Putting him on the NYT op-ed page exposes him to a wider audience – so more people will get to know just how off-balance and hawkish and dangerous he is. And if Kristol = Republican, then after a few months of Kristol’s Mr. Burns-like hand-rubbing about war and torture, then Republicans = toast.

    So, it may not be all bad.

  • Krugman’s recent history of “exchanges” with fellow columnist David Brooks has been not to mentioned Brooks by name. If Kristol is asinine enough and writes a truly outrageous column, perhaps Krugman would step out from “behind the curtain” and mention Kristol by name.

    Here’s drama for you: Would the NY Times fire Krugman, or would Krugman risked being fired to “call-out” Kristol (a.k.a.- America’s largest sack of shit)?

  • I believe the Times columnists follow a code of conduct (gentleman’s agreement? I know, Modo’s no gentleman) which obliges them not to snipe at each other by name in print. However, I have no direct citation for that belief.

  • One more resaon to reject corporate media and rely on multiple blogs to receive honest reporting. Boycott all corporate owned media.

  • Krugman is simply a turd who knows nothing about economics. If he’s been forcasting the collapse of the housing market, he’s not alone in that prediction nor his predictions every year that the economy was going into recession.

    Kristol would be an oddity on the editorial board and the NY Times since he has more than three brain cells, which is three more than the pedophile, Frank Rich.

  • I hope Kristol writes columns on how the Democrats stole the 2006 elections and are planning to steal the 2008 elections.

  • True to Bill Kristol’s ilk, Derrick is one of the most asinine trolls this site has ever seen. JRS Jr. is rational in comparison. Hey Derrick, does defending the oppressively rich give you meaning in life?

  • If Bill Kristol has more than three brain cells, he’s giving an academy-award -worthy performance of a dunce who can’t be right about anything. Heckuva job, Bill.

    Are you sure you’re not standing close to a reflective surface?

  • How does one be “oppressively rich”? The Sulzbergs are rich, should they be hanged? Well, maybe.

    The point being, Kristol is a genius comapred to the retarded ilk he’s joining: Gail Collins, Paul Krugman, Frank Rich, Bob Herbert — truly the lowest moonbats one can find.

  • Derrick, do you have anything of substance to say? Instead of pointless name calling, why don’t you BACK UP your assertions? Please point out to us the genius of Kristol and the errors of the rest of the NYT opinion staff. I’m assuming this is going to be a long wait…..

  • How does one back up “genius” apart from an IQ test? Kristol is obviously smarter than Krugman because Turd Krugman’s columns have caused the Times’ circulation to plummet.

  • Trolls are so annoying. So whoever is pretending to be a troll, please stop. It isn’t funny or clever..

    It will be interesting to compare Kristol’s with Rove’s truthiness.

  • It will be interesting to compare Kristol’s with Rove’s truthiness.

    Might be – but its all academic now, both of these shills have been been given a seat at the mighty wurlitzer in order to “catapult the propaganda” for the 2008 elections.

    Neither one can show that their analysis is “reality-based”, that the policies they promote work, or that their predictions are accurate.

    Which one tells more lies is really a pissing contest – especially considering the MSM continues to promote their lies and each has been given a forum to “catapult” even lies.

  • Krugman is very smart. Everyone who isn’t an idiot and who reads his columns knows that. If anything is causing the NYT’s circulation to plummet, it’s probably just that they have a website now + the other (non-Krugman) annoying columnists, who make people feel like it’s not worth getting the paper every day (especially during the “Times Select” period). What do you do you do when you wake up and want to read some opinion, but it’s not a Krugman or a Herbert day? Read one of those other columnists? It’s a real dilemma. Too much of a risk of settling for one of those assholes out of boredom, and then feeling like you hammered a nail into your cranium after you read 3 or 4 paragraphs of the column. Which is a cause I’m sure Derrick doesn’t mind fighting for.

  • The Times hired Kristol in an election year to appear to be “fair und balanced” (like Fox News). Once you hire him, you are no longer going to be part of the “liberal media.”

  • Freedoms Watch strikes again. Just as they pressured NBC into reversing its decision about not running that “Thank’s Alot, Troops” spot, Shelly Adelson speaking from Vegas on behalf of the boys, told Pinch if he wanted to keep his ads coming in, it might behoove him to open up a slot for their pal Billy.

  • After his [Gulf War] stint in V-P Quayle’s office, telegenic William Kristol’s ‘Cheshire Cat’ smile could be seen on prestigeous show’s like MEET THE PRESS and FACE THE NATION, where he then catches Rupert Murdoch’s attention? But unlike a Fred Barnes, Howard Fineman, Pat Buchanan, David Brooks, Brit Hume, George Will, John Harwood, [David Limbaugh?!] etc., he lacks truely compelling intellectual insights…

    So, unable to hold TIME magazine readers interest, maybe a NYT column would be a better (best?) forum for his point-of-view.

  • Krugman, like most libtards, is dumber than dirt. The addition of Kristol will raise the level of intelligence at the editorial board of the NY Slimes.

    Truly pathetic that there are people here who actually think Krugass is intelligent. I guess they were born near toxic waste sites.

  • I’m not particularly bothered by Kristol’s addition to the NYT’s op-ed stable, per se; we all know he’s “Weakly Substandard” and can read his “pearls of wisdom” with that grain of salt in our eyes. In the past, NYT used to have *two* rabid-righties (Bobo Brooks and someone whose name started with T, and who followed Safire for a year or so) and I found it tolerable, as long as they were offset by Krugman and Herbert.

    What worries me and what I’d like to know is how often his column will appear. Once a week — like Rich’s — would be OK, as long as he’s an addition, not a replacement. Twice a week would mean he’s booting out someone else, in which case I’d like to know who’ll be making room for Mr Substandard. At the moment, we have two first tier leftwards columnists: Krugman and Herbert and one rightwards one: Bobo Brooks. And one each side in the second tier: Gail Collins on the left and Roger(? There’s another Cohen — maybe Richard? — who’s actually worth reading, whose column appears directly under the Editorials sometimes) Cohen on the right, both much less obvious about their leanings. Modo and Unit Friedman are no-count lightweights, and Kristoff is on book leave. If Kristalnacht replaces either Modo or Unit, I have no objections. If he replaces Kristoff, I have no objections, provided it’s a temporary, fill-in job, and he gets the boot as soon as Kristoff hands his manuscript over to the publisher. If he replaces the right-wing R Cohen as a counterbalance to Gail Collins, I have no objections either. But, anything else, and I’ll be screaming bloody murder louder than Derricaca (@31)

  • After his [Gulf-War] stint in V-P Quayle’s office, telegenic William Kristol’s ‘Cheshire Cat’ smile could be seen on the prestigeous tv news shows like MEET THE PRESS and FACE THE NATION, where he then caught Rupert Murdoch’s attention? But, unlike a Fred Barnes, Howard Fineman, Pat Buchanan, David Brooks, Brit Hume, George Will, John Harwood, or David Limbaugh, he lacks consistently compelling intellectual insights; On Fox [Sunday] they ‘shoehorned’ him in there between Mara and Juan? So now, unable to hold TIME magazine readers interest, maybe a NYT column would be a better (best?) forum for his point-of-view?

    [Now that the radical rights hyper-attack machine has been crippled, it’s the radical-left’s turn!]

  • The Times gave Bruce Bartlett a blog for awhile. I don’t share Bartlett’s worldview by any means, and he’s a partisan Republican through and through–as he’s shown again recently with that nonsensical case that Democrats are the “party of racism”–but he at least had the intellectual honesty to call out Bush on his tendency toward asswiping with the Constitution and his radically harmful economic policies.

    Kristol, by contrast, is not an individual to whom the words “intellectual honesty” could ever be attached. He’s basically a more bloodthirsty, more partisan, less thoughtful David Brooks. And, let it never be forgotten, he’s as immoral on domestic politics as he is when it comes to wars: it was Kristol who urged the Republicans to oppose any kind of national health care reform effort in 1993-94 because anything passing would hurt their party. In other words, immeasurable human suffering and loss is fine and dandy so long as Our Guys Win.

    Anyone who’s so transparently and unapologetically a partisan first and an American second doesn’t deserve the prominence of a national column. I wouldn’t want James Carville writing in the NYT on a regular basis either.

  • Hiring Kristol is a pretty good indication that the NYT has NO idea what conservatism is. What he represents is not conservatism, it’s American Imperialism and Corporatism.

  • Two words explain why the Times would do something this stupid.

    The. Lobby.

    BTW, Andy Rosenthal is chock full of shit. Here’s what he said on September 17, 2007 (emphasis added):

    “I wanted to say a few words about how we view our mission on the editorial page. It is to inform and challenge our readers, to give them a different perspective on the news that is thoroughly researched and reported, grounded in a set of principles, including core values that have long guided our page, and invigorated by opinion.

    Sometimes, we point out what we believe is really going on behind the scenes of a news event in a way that is not open to reporters. Unlike our colleagues in the newsroom, we tell our readers when we believe a politician is speaking the truth, for example, and when he is not; or whether we believe that a particular policy or set of policies is the right one for our nation…”

    “We believe that the war in Iraq has gone disastrously wrong, and that it is vital to keep writing about it and yes, President Bush’s missteps, mistakes and misrepresentations are central to that story. Similarly, we believe that this administration has done serious damage to civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, and we think there are few things more important than the freedoms for which this nation has stood for more than two centuries. We are also passionate about the protection of the environment; equal rights for all; the preservation of the role of science in our society, versus religion and ideology; and other issues on which this president is vocally a member of the opposing camp.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/business/media/24askthetimes.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

    Of course he then hired Wild Bill Krackhead, who will continue to feed the dangerous delusions of the idiots who got us into this mess.

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