Obama aims for a more perfect union, but will the media fall short of perfection?

Barack Obama wrote his speech on race in America himself. He worked on it for a couple of days, and stayed up until 2 a.m. Tuesday to finish it. The senator conceded on “Nightline” that he couldn’t predict how the address would be perceived: “You know, you throw a rock into a pond and those ripples will go out. We don’t know where those ripples will go. I have no idea how this plays out politically.”

It’s always the awkward catch, isn’t it? How a political event “plays” ultimately dictates whether it was a good move or a bad one. Time’s Joe Klein described Obama’s remarks as “the best speech about race I’ve ever heard delivered by an American politician,” but immediately wondered whether the media would be judicious in its coverage. “I hope our colleagues over at the networks give Obama his due,” Klein said.

Right off the bat, shortly after the speech ended, it looked like the media was going to blow it. The lead headline on MSNBC’s website read, “Obama: Racial anger is ‘real.'” On CNN.com, it read, “Obama: Constitution stained by ‘sin of slavery.'” Shortly thereafter, Fox News ran an edited soundbite to make it appear as if Obama was attacking his grandmother.

I’m pleased to note, however, that news outlets got more responsible as the day went on. The NYT ran a news-analysis piece this morning that seemed to appreciate the significance of the event.

It was an extraordinary moment — the first black candidate with a good chance at becoming a presidential nominee, in a country in which racial distrust runs deep and often unspoken, embarking at a critical juncture in his campaign upon what may be the most significant public discussion of race in decades.

In a speech whose frankness about race many historians said could be likened only to speeches by Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, Senator Barack Obama, speaking across the street from where the Constitution was written, traced the country’s race problem back to not simply the country’s “original sin of slavery” but the protections for it embedded in the Constitution.

Yet the speech was also hopeful, patriotic, quintessentially American — delivered against a blue backdrop and a phalanx of stars and stripes. Mr. Obama invoked the fundamental values of equality of opportunity, fairness, social justice. He confronted race head-on, then reached beyond it to talk sympathetically about the experiences of the white working class and the plight of workers stripped of jobs and pensions.

That’s a good start.

It looks like the editorial boards got it right, too.

NYT: “We can’t know how effective Mr. Obama’s words will be with those who will not draw the distinctions between faith and politics that he drew, or who will reject his frank talk about race. What is evident, though, is that he not only cleared the air over a particular controversy — he raised the discussion to a higher plane.”

WaPo: “Obama’s mission in Philadelphia yesterday was to put the controversy over inflammatory statements made by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., his spiritual mentor and pastor for 20 years, behind him. But Mr. Obama (D-Ill.) went deeper than that. He used his address as a teachable moment, one in which he addressed the pain, anger and frustration of generations of blacks and whites head-on — and offered a vision of how those experiences could be surmounted, if not forgotten. It was a compelling answer both to the challenge presented by his pastor’s comments and to the growing role of race in the presidential campaign.”

LAT: “No single speech will recalibrate America’s consideration of race and politics, but we are closer today, thanks to this remarkable address, to facing our history and perfecting our nation.”

This is encouraging, of course, but most people don’t get their news from newspapers, they get it from TV. Has anyone been watching? I’m curious to know whether the networks were fair, complimentary, etc.

This Daily Kos diary – http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/19/12345/3294/319/479723 – provides an excellent compilation of editorial comment the morning after – and the diary’s readers are adding even more. It’s safe to say that in newspapers at least Americans are being notified that the most important speech of our times was delivered yesterday. How was MSM TV news coverage last night?

Right-wingers and trolls will do everything they can to spread ignorance and keep people from actually reading/hearing Senator Obama’s words – it’s up to us to try to get those who haven’t yet been exposed to the whole speech to open themselves up to it. If the worst that they trolls can come up with is the vile and disgusting “he threw his grandmother under the bus,” this job shouldn’t be that difficult.

  • I intentionally ran home yesterday to see how it would play on Chris Matthews Hardball show. Now Matthews has been complimentary of Obama in the past, so I suspected his reaction would also be positive. But I was taken how often during the hour he brought up the speech beyond the speech-as-lead-story. He absolutely underscored the importance and the depth of the matter as more than just a speech about his church. Even his conservative commentators seemed to have only minor things to criticize (you can’t disown your grandmother, but you can disown your preacher).

  • i checked in with the conservative radio station here in chicago (“liberals hate it” is their slogan) after the speech and the two talking heads were begrudgingly giving obama credit for the speech. however, one of them went on to say that it was the death knell of his campaign, for various specious reasons.

    let’s face it — not many americans will hear the speech in its entirety, and they’ll rely on their favorite news outlet to boil it down for them. i think obama cleared a hurdle yesterday, but it will take some time for him to get attention back on the real issues. if the ‘reagan democrats’ are a valuable swing vote it’s difficult to say how obama’s message will get to them unfiltered. we may have to wait until the convention where folks can kick back in the evening with a beer or two and watch for themselves.

  • I don’t watch TeeVee news, ever, so I can’t answer your question. But I’m becoming increasingly convinced that we make a mistake when we use the phrase “main stream media”. TeeVee is mainstream in the sense that a sewer is mainstream. Everything winds up there sooner or later. But nothing worthwhile originates there. As much trouble as print journalism seems to be in, that’s where significant ideas and commentary originates (other than blogs, but I’m talking MSM). If the newspapers are casting the Obama Philadelphia Speech in a good light, that’s good. Sooner or later the bubbleheads and hairdos on TeeVee will process that basic thought and transmit it to the boobocracy.

  • From what I saw, the TV reaction varied from wildly enthusiastic to mediocre.

    Hardball was absolutely glowing, and Norah O’Donnell on MSNBC said “people are calling this the most important speech on race relations since the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech.” The evening news shows seemed a little less gushing though; I caught NBC and CBS and it seemed lukewarm. The Daily Show had a terrific long segment on it.

  • I watched the speech on YouTube late last night. It was exceptionally brilliant. I will be surprised if in a few decades this speech isn’t rated with JFK’s speech to the ministerial alliance, or some of the best of RFK. And Obama wrote it himself! No Ted Sorensen is necessary!

    Obama has the capacity to be a great leader, not just a policy-wonk president with lots of legislative programs to offer to a hostile Congress.

    That said, Obama surely didn’t get through to the race-baiting morons on Fox Propaganda, Rush’s dittoheads, or my 87-year-old mother who “just doesn’t like him” but can’t or won’t tell me exactly why.

  • Dave Gregory’s new MSNBC show had a very good discussion of this, with panelists including Rachel Maddow, Eugene Robinson and the inevitable Mornin Joe.

    Videos at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TioW5jAHjgw
    & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UuQHX9HWsA , with the second including Rachel suggesting a speech that Hillary could, and should, give.

    I’ve been amazed by the reaction in msm print media. With the exception of the RW reaction (well covered by Cole, Sullivan and Drum, among others), the response has been overwhelmingly positive – tinged with a bit of awe. Carney and Klein at Swamplnad were all atwitter, which led to this comment:

    Commenter HH at Swampland (he is not particularly an Obama supporter):

    “I keep thinking of Lincoln’s rise from obscurity, marked by the Cooper Union speech on slavery in New York in 1860

    Herndon, who knew the speech but was not present, said it was “devoid of all rhetorical imagry.” Rather, “it was constructed with a view to accuracy of statement, simplicity of language, and unity of thought. In some respects like a lawyer’s brief, it was logical, temperate in tone, powerful – irresistibly driving conviction home to men’s reasons and their souls.”

    The speech electrified Lincoln’s hearers and gained him important political support in Seward’s home territory. Said a New York writer, “No man ever before made such an impression on his first appeal to a New York audience.” After being printed by New York newspapers, the speech was widely circulated as campaign literature.

    Easily one of Lincoln’s best efforts, it revealed his singular mastery of ideas and issues in a way that justified loyal support. Here we can see him pursuing facts, forming them into meaningful patterns, pressing relentlessly toward his conclusion.

    With a deft touch, Lincoln exposed the roots of sectional strife and the inconsistent positions of Senator Stephen Douglas and Chief Justice Roger Taney. He urged fellow Republicans not to capitulate to Southern demands to recognize slavery as being right, but to “stand by our duty, fearlessly and effectively.”

    Like Lincoln, Obama is not delivering empty slogans, but thoughtful essays engaging difficult issues. If Americans believe we are heading for hard times, they will prefer a man who is intellectually ready to handle them.”

    Posted by HH

    “Source for the commentary on Lincoln’s Cooper Uniion address: http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/cooper.htm

    Note that Obama can keep firing these intellectual broadsides, while McCain fires back with his cap gun of war hero, war hero, war hero. This is asymetric warfare, to be sure.

    Then will come the debates.”

    Posted by HH

    I am, however, distressed by – and fear – this response from a loyal, older Dem in West Virginia:
    “But his Grandmother is not a 501 (c) like Rev. Wright’s church. There is to be no discussion of the government from the pulpit other than speaking of our equal rights. If the preacher had damned abortion, gays, etc. there would have been lots more out rage – goddamamerica is a bit more to me than the wife saying this is the first time she is proud. How can a presidential candidate call this man his spiritual leader? yes, I think starry-eyed is a good term Murry used. I waited for OBH to say he was leaving that church. Because every other nay sayer had to resign when it was due to negative statements. He thinks of himself as black, why? Why not white? He gave a well-written speech, he does that well.”

  • On CNN this AM, Jim Willis, author of “The Great Awakening” said Obama’s speech was a test for the media to see whether they were ready to move beyond divisiveness. Not long ago John Dean said that whether something is a scandal or not depends, not on what the people think, but how the media chooses to characterize it. From what I have seen on TV, I’m not optimistic. That said, it was not just a great speech. It was a great explanation about the complexity of cultural diversity. Obama would make a great diplomat.

  • I read the text of the speech and was impressed enough that I forwarded the link to all I knew. (Something I rarely do) Telling them, don’t wait for the 10 second soundbyte, read it in its entirety. Soundbytes could not do it justice.

  • Danp (#8) says “Obama would make a great diplomat.” I agree, but would take that thought further. The speech was a window into the kind of President Obama could be, a President who is unafraid to challenge the nation to work together to solve our problems (as he discusses in debates and speeches), and is unafraid to speak to the nation as adults rather than children. Very heartening.

    Now we need to make sure he has a chance to elevate us as our President.

  • Morning Joe was hilarious – Joe and Buchanan conjured up mythical ‘liberal friends’, and claimed that they are confused – “they don’t believe in God, but are defending black churches for anti-American rhetoric?” and so forth. Pretty good comedy pair, these two.

  • The major difference between Obama and the MSM is that Obama has the courage to acknowledge—and challenge—imperfection, while with few exceptions, the media does not.

  • Obama looked quite Presidential.

    It was definately one of the best speeches of my lifetime. I am so proud.

    I’m curious about one thing though…..why was he so late? He was suppose to go on at 10:15, but it was 45 minutes later. Any ideas?

  • Re: NPR’s coverage:

    Juan Williams is a douchebag. Why look to him for “analysis,” NPR? To show you’re fair + balanced?

  • NPR this morning blew it. Had Juan Williams talking about grandma. -Martin

    That’s because NPR, especially Juan, is Now Propogandists for Republicans.

    It’s been a great shame watching them fall over the last several years.

  • I know that they’re not really a network news source, but Jon Stewart had a very good summation of the speech on The Daily Show last night saying that a prominent politician did something very unusual and talked to the American voters as though they were adults.

    You can agree or disagree with the gist of Obama’s speech but you can’t deny that he approached the topic with a level of sophistication that we rarely see from elected officials. Personally I thought it was a very good speech that articulated a complex and touchy topic very well. This sort of performance is why I like Obama so much. At his best, he really does try to engage the public with a higher level of discourse than we’ll get from either of the other two presidential candidates. I think he trusts that the American public is ready, willing, and able to accept that from a candidate. I don’t think that it’s too big a stretch to say that voters are absolutely starving for a candidate that will speak to us as though we were adults and he fits the bill better than any candidate that I can recall.

  • These are cherry picked articles, I’m glad I don’t rely on this blog to find out what people really think.

    The people who were looking for real answers from Obama are still disappointed. His credibility is suffering, yet he comes out and admits to being there when controversial statements which he strongly disagrees with were made, yet does not denounce the church or it’s pastor, who received tens of thousands of dollars from Obama over the past 2 decades.

    Once this speech is dissected further to see if it answered the core questions being brought up, it will be known that it he in fact did not answer those questions.

    1. Why would you put a controversial man like Wright on your campaign, admittedly you knew there was video evidence of his “incindiary” remarks before you even launched your campaign, and you continue to expect people to support you because of your judgment?!?!?!

    2. Why did you not distance yourself from this church years ago when you heard sermons preaching “controversial” things which could be interpreted as Anti-American, especially since you admit that you strongly disagreed with things you personally heard?

    It is absolutlely inconcievable for a man in Reverand Wright’s position who is very influential, to say that white people created AIDS to kill blacks, and that we bring drugs to your neighborhoods in order to keep black people down, and that God should Damn America!

    Obama compares these hateful speeches given to thousands of black people to the mumblings made in private by his white grandmother about her fear of blacks, as if these compare. It is not even fair to compare this to Jerry Falwell, the prior leaders who consulted with Jerry Falwell were not so closely tied to him.

    Don’t any of you want to know why this man did not take questions from the media after what turned out to be a typical stump speech for the man known as a skilled orator? It is up to us, the people, to question those who would be our leaders.

  • What solutions did the speech offer to the problems of race in America? How will Obama’s choice to attend a self-segregated church with an Afrocentric preacher contribute to better race relations in America? I didn’t hear him explain that at all.

    I find it ironic in the extreme that Obama is being praised for opening a discussion on race when anyone else who has mentioned race, in any way and in any context, even with mild comments about previous African American candidates, has been immediately accused of bigotry. Way to stifle a dialog!

    Without open discussion there will be no solutions. Why did Obama not defend the Clintons early on when they were accused of racism? Why did he ignore Ferraro’s harrassment by his own supporters? In the context of these campaign-related actions by his own supporters, I find his comments hypocritical. Now that race is working against him, he makes the “can’t we all get along” plea in a speech devoid of acknowledgement of any of the real dynamics of race in this country.

    Where I live, black and Hispanic gangs are killing each other and Asian American businesses are routinely trashed during periodic rioting specifically because they are Asian (esp. Korean). African Americans are a large percentage of the prison population, not because of white racial profiling, but because they commit a disproportionate number of the crimes. African American students think that studying is too “white” but expect preferred admission to college despite their lack of academic preparation. African American jurors think that ignoring reality and releasing OJ will make up for slavery but turn a blind eye to the domestic violence in his household and in the community. African American comics, rappers and preachers (supported by Obama when he put Donnie McClurkin on stage) perpetuate the homophobia that has made AIDS the number one killer of black women, preferring instead of blame it on a government plot (as Wright does). These are real racial problems that Obama said nothing about. Instead we are all supposed to pretend that lingering racism is related to our white “immigrant experience” and the loss of jobs due to NAFTA. Get real.

  • That’s because NPR, especially Juan, is Now Propogandists for Republicans. – Doubtful #18

    You can’t be serious, now NPR isn’t reliable as a non-biased source? Public broadcasting is as unbiased as you can get, they don’t accept ANY money from commercial sources, period.

    You are certainly delusional, and your messiah cannot make this problem go away with a speech, no matter how well crafted it is.

  • I don’t think you understand the meaning of “troll” in internet usage. It’s where you head to a website, argue points not in good faith with an open mind, but simply hoping to stir up an argument with no hope of persuasion.

    But I’ll tell you what, Mary and Greg, I’ll happily put it to a vote here if Steve’s up for it.

    One vote per IP address: Who should be banned from this site? Me, or Mary and Greg?

    Think you’ll win that one?

  • He held a ceremonial position on Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee. He was hardly steering the campaign’s core policy positions. Obama said it himself: Wright wasn’t his political mentor, he was his spiritual guide. He didn’t agree with many of his political views and Wright wasn’t in a position where he had any influence over political decisions and positions.

  • This was such a good thread until the ad hominems of other posters started. The sun’s coming up and another day of trolling has begun.

    The only people who have been saying anything negative about the speech are those who have an agenda to bring down Obama. These Bush years have trained that audience well.

  • “I find it ironic in the extreme that Obama is being praised for opening a discussion on race when anyone else who has mentioned race, in any way and in any context, even with mild comments about previous African American candidates, has been immediately accused of bigotry.”

    In any context? I have to disagree with that statement BUT I will say this: Barack’s speech yesterday was a challenge to the other candidates and the electorate to discuss race in a more meaningful way if they were going to engage in that discussion. If he’s going to issue challenges like that he’s going to have to lead by example. I thought it was a good speech but I’ll be watching to see how the Obama campaign handles things like Ferraro in the future. I felt that he implied that the Ferraro situation and the outcome was kind of trashy. He’s upped the ante on his campaign’s response considerably on future incidents like that.

  • But I’m becoming increasingly convinced that we make a mistake when we use the phrase “main stream media”. — Ed @ 4

    I agree. At someone else’s suggestion, I’ve stopped using the label and now refer to “corporate media.” It’s not perfect, but describes their motive as being something other than to inform the public in a meaningful way.

    As for any long-term effect of Obama’s speech yesterday, I think it’ll echo in some hearts and minds for years, but as far as the campaign, it’ll be overshadowed by upcoming speeches and coverage of the war “anniversary” today, and drop out of the daily feedbag of top stories.

  • At someone else’s suggestion, I’ve stopped using the label and now refer to “corporate media.”

    Same here. MSM implies a political bias, CM an economic one.

  • TR, If Steve Benen wants to alienate people who would offer differing opinions from himself and others who post comments on this site, then so be it, but if you can’t deal with the fact that those opinions can and should be debated, then you are closed minded.

    Wikipedia:

    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion

    So, are you saying that Mary and I are posting off topic or irrelevant posts, or that we are disrupting the normal on-topic discussion?

    I believe healthy debate should include differing opinions, and if we are keeping it on topic then you should stop bitching about TRolls!

  • Has anyone else noticed that there’s been an evolutionary leap among the troll population? They used to hang out under bridges, but recently have learned to travel in packs. Either that or they’ve developed the ability to shape-shift. Perhaps CB could enlighten us as to who is coming in on the same IP addresses so we don’t waste our time or just bag the comment section?

  • You can’t be serious, now NPR isn’t reliable as a non-biased source? -Greg

    Yeah, with CEOs like Ken Tomlinson, how could NPB and Public Broadcasting every be biased?

    In May 1987, President Reagan nominated Tomlinson to be a member of the Board for International Broadcasting (BIB) where he served until 1994 when the BIB was dissolved by the International Broadcasting Act of 1994 and replaced by the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). Tomlinson became a close friend of Karl Rove while they served together on the BIB after President Bush nominated Rove to be a member of the BIB in 1989.

    Greg, do us all a favor and refrain from commenting about things you know absolutely nothing about.

    In the meantime, get yourself a little more acquainted with FOX News contributor Juan Williams before you claim he’s not biased.

  • Gary, a troll — like yourself — refuses to listen to facts and refuses to engage in reasoned argument, and instead spouts lies, half-truths, and baseless accusations. A troll is someone looking to stir things up and get people of different opinions riled up in fruitless efforts to reason with people who are beyond reason.

    If I’m ignoring you and asking other people to ignore you, how does that make me the troll?

  • Perhaps CB could enlighten us as to who is coming in on the same IP addresses so we don’t waste our time or just bag the comment section?

    I’d hate to see the comments thread shut down, but maybe it’s time to have registration for all commenters to keep down the inevitable outbreaks of anti-Obama multiple personality disorder.

  • TR, in other words you are for discrimination and against free speech, thanks for sharing!

  • Greg, free speech entitles you to the right to speak. It does not mean anyone has to take what you say seriously and respond to you. You’ve proven yourself to be immune to reason, impervious to facts, prone to lies and exaggerations, and incapable of seeing anything other than what you want to see, and I’m simply pointing out that it’s fruitless to talk with you anymore.

    You’re entitled to rant away here all day long, in ALL CAPS and no facts, as long as you want. And I’m entitled to warn other people here — who are, unlike you, well-intentioned and open-minded — that they’re wasting their breath in trying to debate or argue with you.

  • Doubtful, God Forbid the CEO of NPB fight to keep “liberal bias” out of public broadcasting.

    Did you mean to discredit this man by linking him to Rove? Should we believe now that NPR is equivilent to FOX News?

    Removing liberal bias, or bias of any kind, does not make NPR biased in the opposite regard. Your thinking is flawed.

  • TR, in other words you are for discrimination and against free speech, thanks for sharing! -Greg

    TR is not a government official. He can be opposed to your comments and your ability to comment all he wants; it has no impact on your first amendment rights.

    Blogs are not government officials; the owners can censor your comments all they want.

    Free speech only protects you from government censorship. I hate it when it gets bandied about this way. Cheapens it’s meaning.

  • To the troll named Greg:

    Way to cherry pick the wikipedia definition there…
    That’s par for your wayward course.

    You forgot this bit:

    Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning “Please do not feed the troll”. Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves.

    And trying to come off as a reasonable dissenter?
    Greg: Nice speech Obama, now pack your bags and try not to leave things too fucked up for Hillary.

    Reasonable? Only if you argue that you were off your meds at that moment. Funny too, how you only posts to threads about Obama. As if you are obsessed with tearing him from limb to limb. And you claim you are not a troll? Hell son, you are trolling about your trolling. I suggest you go to Little Green Footballs. No one will call you a troll there. Thems your peeps. Have fun…

  • Greg,

    Read it before you comment on it. Need I remind you it is better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut then to open it and remove all doubt.

    There was no liberal bias to remove from Public Broadcasting, unless facts and truth are, as Colbert posited, truly liberally biased. That was just a convenient excuse to line the halls with Republican hacks, hand picked by Rove and the Bush Adminisitration with their buttdy Tomlinson.

    This is exactly what TR is talking about. Someone presents an argument to you with some supporting evidence, and you spit out a thoughtless, factless retort. That marks you a troll.

    You can disagree; I have no problem with disagreement, but provide evidence that NPR had a liberal bias prior to Tomlinson’s ‘realignment.’

    And how any Democrat can believe that a Bush appointee and friend of Karl Rove can be moderate and beholden to the truth is beyond me. Your hate of Obama has driven firmly from reality.

  • CB:

    but will the media fall short of perfection?”

    I trust this was a rhetorical question.

  • I had to speed up the wheel on my mouse to scroll past the tiresome, needlessly lengthy anti-Obama rants. I was starting to get a blister on my finger.

  • Greg,

    What, pray tell, is your motivation? Are you attempting to be persuasive? Do you really think you are making any headway on THIS site? (pssst…It doesn’t seem to be working.)

    If you really have a beef about Obama, what, precisely, is it? What has he said or what has he done (other than provide opposition to HC for the Dem ticket) that really bothers you? Is it simply the fact that he has the audacity to run for President that makes your hate tick? Give one specific reason – it’s a start.

  • beans, are you sure Greg is really a Clinton supporter?

    he rarely actually mentions it, has not really made the case for her, often sounds a lot more like a Republican.

    i suspect he already knows he will be voting McCain no matter what and is simply here to foment discord among the Obama and Clinton camps.

  • 31. March 19th, 2008 at 11:04 am, TR said:

    … MSM implies a political bias, CM an economic one.

    Because the media drives politics and they drive it towards a desired outcome, CM is a much better term. They are all MSM. McClatchy is, too, but they often are pretty good at doing what journalists are supposed to do. CM is politically and economically intertwined.

    As for our “trolls” I don’t think Mary is a troll, she’s just really into Clinton, which is fine. Granted, obnoxious and probably doing more to turn people away from Clinton, but I think her heart is in, well, her right place. TR a troll? Please. Greg is not just a racist, he is a gooper playing Clinton advocate. Greg is definitely a troll.

  • NPR had two pieces on the speech. The other, more in depth analysis, was relatively positive and focused on the fact that the Trinity Church in Chicago is not the hot bed of black radicalism portrayed by Hannity and others. NPR also spoke with a professor who noted the similarities to statements by white evangelical preachers.

  • Remember that NPR is funded by the government which reminds me of a great Nine Inch Nails song: The Hand That Feeds. As in, don’t bit it.

    While it may (or may not) be considered MSM or CM, it has an agenda to keep getting funded and we all know what Bush does to something he doesn’t like.

    NPR is walking a very fine line – and in my eye, losing it’s balance.

  • FEED THE TROLLS. Preferably rat poison.

    Greg/Mary – why should we be interested in your opinions that seem to be based only upon hatred of democrats & especially Obama! Go to one of the web sites that specialize in Rethugnican group think. Mingle there among your friends who make up a large part of the 40% of the American public that still believe that Sadaam Hussein had a role in 9/11. Don’t go away mad – just go away.

    Unfortunately, the Corporate News Media seems to be voting to destroy Obama, who is the least corporately owned candidate remaining.

    The worst part of the Wright ‘controversy’ is that it provides cover for the 30% (my estimation) of the white population that is racist. Now they can say they are against Obama because of Wright – when all along they would never have voted for anyone who is not 100% white.

  • Mary and Greg.

    Everyone here knows that you prefer Clinton. And, in truth, I doubt that most would begrudge your choice on the merits of Clinton’s policy choices (with the exception of the decision to authorize the use for force in Iraq), but it is very hard to believe that you cannot acknowledge that this was a powerful speech that challenges us all to dig deeper into race issues in this country.

    I am not suggesting that you switch sides and become an Obama supporter, just that you show a little respect when it is due. This was a remarkable speech. Period. Acknowledging that fact does not mean you have to change sides. Kind of like acknowledging when your opponent wins a primary or caucus. It is just common courtesy.

  • Mary and Greg.
    Everyone here knows that you prefer Clinton.

    Um, not so fast. As an actual Clinton supporter, I’m not really willing to be accountable for them unless there is a lot more proof than I’ve seen so far. . .

  • 20. Greg said: These are cherry picked articles, I’m glad I don’t rely on this blog to find out what people really think.

    If those were cherry picked, couldn’t you have spent 5 minutes cherry picking some msm editorials and articles that backed up your talking points? I don’t think they exist, at least certainly not based on your word. A little evidence wouldn’t hurt.

    39. Greg said: Doubtful, God Forbid the CEO of NPB fight to keep “liberal bias” out of public broadcasting.
    Did you mean to discredit this man by linking him to Rove? Should we believe now that NPR is equivilent to FOX News?
    Removing liberal bias, or bias of any kind, does not make NPR biased in the opposite regard. Your thinking is flawed.

    And this should put to bed forever and ever the question of what “Greg” is. For all their flaws Hillary supporters are at least Democrats who are aware of points of general Democratic agreement over the years. The mere fact of taking Tomlinson seriously makes Greg a Republican, period. And a lying one at that, pretending all this time to be a Hillary supporter when he probably despises her as much as any other dittohead.

  • What a crock. If he was a Leader he would have spoken up at the time.

    If he loved America and disagreed with the crazy Pastor he would have spoken up at the time.

    If his wife was proud of America she would release her thesis which spouts the same racist beliefs.

    If the black electorate isn’t racist – why does Osama get 90% of their vote? Happenstance? I think not. Racism – I think so.

    The argument we have here is that their racism is valid – but white America’s is not. Let’s ignore the violence that continues to be inflicted by the black man on other blacks and on America as a whole, and let’s focus on lynchings that happened 100 years ago. Great idea.

    Where is the hue and cry for the outstanding student from North Carolina, President of her class, who was shot in the head by a dog? Oh yeah, the same dog that killed another student of color. Nothing there – but when a stripper on dope makes a claim about rape then Fat Albert Sharpton marches.

    How about the NAACP standing ovation for the young tough guy who stomped a white boy into the hospital? Standing ovation by “adults”??? Are you kidding me?

    How about the dirtballs that raped, killed and burned a young couple for kicks?

    Where does the Black commmunity, this Pastor, and Obama specifically stand on these crimes? When you consistently introduce the rhetoric of G-Damn the USA and you do not mention these injustices you empower the scum of the world to perpetrate more heinous attacks.

    What we have here is vote grabbing and excuse making. Send the junior senator back to represent the scum that attend that church regularly. Conflation – I say it should be implosion.

    The good news is that he will be the nominee and then he will shoot himself in the foot for all to see. The skeletons will continue to come out of the closet of that big white man’s house that a criminal helped him buy.

    All of his liberal, spend-my-money on the inner city programs will conflate with him. And he will still get the vote of 90% of his brothers – unless it is too chily that day – but it will not be enough to win!

    How could the Dems possibly lose this election? Hill/Bill and Obama/Osama; that is how. Nice job.

  • NPR this morning blew it.

    As they do every day. The local “all news” NPR out here in Los Angeles had the reporter quoting tZogby, he one national survey that has McCain beating both Clinton and Obama by any substantial margin, while there are four other more respected polls showing the opposite.

    Just another reason why I no longer contribute to them. They know which side their bread is buttered on, and having to listen to the execrable Larry Mantle with his daily tryout for a job at K-K-KFI (our local far right talk radio) is like having major dental surgery without anesthesia.

  • If you watch how the supposed Clinton supporters post (Greg) vs. the real Clinton supporters (Mary) there is a huge difference. Mary always talks up Clinton’s strengths vs. Obama’s weaknesses. Her arguments are fairly well reasoned (I don’t always agree with them nor do I care for the voracity of the argument) but she has quite thoroughly thought out why she supports Clinton. When you read the ramblings of someone who hates Obama and tosses in a “Oh yeah, Clinton!” as an afterthought, those are so transparent that they can’t even come to explicitly state that they are for Clinton and why.

    While I don’t much care for Mary’s posts, she is an avid and ardent Clinton supporter. And I have to give her kudos for being able to articulate WHY she is so.

    I hope that we all can remember that when November rolls around, we have to support whichever candidate is on the democratic ticket. Why?

    – Economy (who will be best suited to try to carry us through this recession that might turn into a vast depression without careful guidance)

    – War (do we REALLY want yet another war with Iran? How are the two we have going on now working out for us?)

    – Healthcare (does it matter mandate or not? We need someone who actually cares that EVERYONE has healthcare in some fashion and not the Free Market approach that McCain purports)

    – US moral fiber (torture is okie dokie for us but not you China or [fill in the blank])

    – US standing in the world (remember that we ARE a world community no matter what a percentage of our population cares to think)

    I could go on but you get the idea.

    PLEASE don’t forget that at this point in time it is CRITICAL that we band together for our country – whether you hate Clinton or Obama. This is not just for us, for our children, and our grandchildren. We have to vote for our collective future.

  • Let’s see if I can get this back on track…

    1) Some people are saying, well of course he didn’t disown his white grandmother, but he should have broken his relationship with Rev. Wright. There were two comments in the Philly editorial that I had pondered myself: Rev. Wright is a father figure to Obama, and “condemn the sins but embrace the sinner”. Remember that Obama’s father abandoned him at a young age. Rev. Wright showed the young Barack, the community organizer, that the church and Christianity was a way to help people and was a great influence on him. If Wright is a father figure to Obama, why should he just disgard the man because they are not related by blood? I’m sure many of us can relate to that scenario.

    2) I’m uncomfortable listening to some of Rev. Wright’s inflamatory comments, but that is mostly because the church I attend is low key (white Protestant). But in listening to Wright’s oratory, I’m reminded that Jesus himself railed against the status quo of his time, challenging everyone to think in a new and different manner. Maybe this makes sense to me because I am a Christian and because my current pastor talks about this in his sermons.

    But isn’t this what Progressives do as well? Challenge the status quo by asking why is it fair that the rich get richer and the poor poorer? Why do we bail out Wall Street but not fund essentials like Head Start, health care, housing the homeless, etc., etc.? Why are we spending billions destroying Iraq but not helping those in need around the world?

    However we come to being Progressives, it doesn’t matter, as long as we know that we want to change the way this country operates.

  • For Kevin @ 55 – I copy what I said earlier…

    The worst part of the Wright ‘controversy’ is that it provides cover for the 30% (my estimation) of the white population that is racist. Now they can say they are against Obama because of Wright – when all along they would never have voted for anyone who is not 100% white.

    Kevin – you give all of the appearance of an out-and-out white racist. I am sure that the KKK has an appropriate web site for you to shout your racist crap. Why don’t you go there.

  • …makes Greg a Republican, period. And a lying one at that… -Shalimar

    As Sam Clemens would say, but you repeat yourself.

  • So Dixie – what you are looking for on this site are only in-bred liberal opinions? I’m guessing in-breeding may be what got you in this state to begin with. How is that for stooping to your level?

    Instead of refuting, arguing, or rationalizing you call names and issue invective.

    Speak to the issue or do not, but don’t be so smug as to call other people names when you can’t maintain an argument.

    The reality is the fellow sat there for 20 years and listened to this nonsense and never refuted it until he wanted the vote of the white man. Now he issues a soft disclaimer. If you changed the words from white to black in that church it would be a criminal offense and hate speech, don’t you agree?

    He speaks of having the courage to stand up to race baiting and rise above the rhetoric, but when he had 20 years to do it – he did NOT!!! HC was right – words are not that important – action is what is needed. He chose to take the easy way out!!! That is who you support for Commander in Chief. Cleary you are highly erudite.

    If anyone I know went to a church like this – with the focus on any race, class, or color, or went to a KKK or any other racially charged gathering, I would castigate them and drop them from the list of associates. I would drop them and disavow them. But not Osama. He is sticking with his surrogate father. There’s leadership for you.

    And why again does he get 90% of the Black vote – just enough to beat HC and lose to anyone in the general election? I missed when you covered that point. He is a junior Senator and completely unqualified. His voting record is the most liberal in the Senate. His only qualification is the color of his skin and the welfare and educational benefits he has reaped from Affirmative Action. Same as that lovely and proud missus of his.

    Keep feeding yourself the nonsense that this is about some vague, obscure, and oblique notion of “change” and not about wealth redistribution – the backbone of the Democratic party.

  • Seeing how much potential this thread had for substantive dialogue (as most here do) and how it once again got blown totally off track as greg spouted his usual brand of garbage, I would definitely encourage CB to initiate some type of IP address-based registration so we could vote douchebags off the island. This used to be a really enjoyable place to converse about important topics of the day, but has been blown so far off course by trolls (both regulars like greg and drive-by trolls who are possibly small numbers of posters hiding under assumed names) that it’s sad to see what it’s devolving into. CB, is it really hard to install an IP registration and/or (I think Kos has this) a way to vote somebody off the air? Just saying don’t feed the trolls doesn’t cut it, as you can see from this hijacked thread. You put so much work and time into this blog, Steve, it’s a crying shame to see it degenerate like this. I would strongly encourage you to clean it up if you can and hopefully allow it to return to some semblance of the truly enjoyable salon-type (in the classic discussion group sense of the word) venue that it used to be. Maybe some of the old regulars who’ve been driven away would even return if you could manage to do that.

  • Mayor Lindsay – Was that another vote for electronic in-breeding? Dialogue only takes place when there are opposing views presented well. To insulate yourself from others who would disagree with you only leaves you marooned on your island of Democratic demagogery.

    Would you not agree?

    And as for the amount of work involved – come on now!! If Obama provided a stool sample Steve would call it a steak. And if William Buckley stopped by this forum your ilk would call him a troll.

    Pop your head out of the sand and take a look around. Listen to those from whom you would like to (mis)appropriate income. Please.

  • Kevin : The reality is that opposition researchers have only managed to stir up a few sermons out of +20 years worth of sermons as being “controversial”. The reality is only one of them is really controversial as the others have hints of truth (read luke 6 : 24-26 for one truth). Actually never mind it’s pretty obvious at this point you’re so utterly convinced that white people are being oppressed by blacks that it’d be impossible to talk sense into you..

  • That response is beyond ridiculous. But since you’ve directly addressed me, I’ll waste just a little time to respond and then call it a day. For starters, there used to be plenty of give and take and civil disagreement here. If people have reasonable arguments on any side of an issue I’ve got no qualms with that. If, on the other hand, all they offer is repeated baseless invective and groundless assertions, day after day, week after week, then yes, I would very gladly have them banned from the site. To me that’s just a question of not wasting people’s time, and creating bitterness on what would most ideally be a meeting place for rational discussion, both pro and con.

    If Steve prefers Obama over the competition, that’s his right. It’s his blog, remember? He certainly hasn’t been unreasonable in his discussion of any of the candidates. If you don’t like it here, you are more than welcome to leave.

    Your last graph tells the tale. You fancy yourself a member of the upper class persecuted minority from whom liberals like me are trying to take your precious wealth. Yet for all you know I could be far wealthier than you. Clearly you’re afraid of the socialist boogeyman. Get a clue.

    Oh, and if William Buckley wants to stop by to comment, I’d be more than happy to discuss with him the great beyond. Don’t you read the news? He’s dead.

  • Obama Lied About His Grandmother’s Racist Remarks

    I just finished reading a section from Obama’s book, Dreams From My Father about his grandmother’s “racist” remarks about black men. The upshot? They aren’t true. He lied in his speech!

    The real story is this: His grandmother expressed her FEAR of one Black man — a beggar who aggressively hounded her for money, but who did not leave her alone after she gave it to him. She told her husband that the incident frightened her and asked him to give her a ride to work so that she wouldn’t have to wait at the bus stop by herself and possibly have this beggar confront her again.

    Obama basically threw his white grandmother under the bus in order to appease African Americans and not have to take personal responsibility for his 20-year relationship with a hate-monger and racist.

    Yet another reason I don’t and won’t support Barack Obama.

  • So my response is beyond ridiculous? Excellent counterpoint. I see the merits of your assertion.

    John Lindsay happened to have passed away also – do you not read the tabloids? He was a favorite of the rag the NYT. I’m sure they have his obit if you are inclined to look it up.

    And the sage pearl “if you don’t like it here, leave”. Kind of like America my liberal friend. Love it or leave it – but that would be too draconian in your PC world. Better to stick around and run her into the ground so you can feel good about yourself. The likely fact that you have amounted to nothing is all part of the conservative plot to keep you down.

    It is patently obvious that you and your klan here are not interested in debating, discussing , or doing anything other than shutting out all opposing views be they posited by Buckley post-mortem or anyone dead or alive who disagrees with your fragile position.

    And lastly, as it becomes fruitless to go on being that there is no discourse here just shouting down any cogent opposing position, the commentary isn’t about your wealth. It is about the Democratic party plan for wealth redistribution otherwise known as “Tax the Rich” and subtitled “they earned it, but we outnumber them”.

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