Obama and Huckabee – A tale of two religious candidates

I was talking recently to a friend of mine who resented the fact that far too many presidential candidates, on both sides of the aisle, emphasize religion in their campaigns. They are running for president, my friend insisted, not preacher. It’s a secular office, in a secular government; all the religious rhetoric is excessive.

I’m very sympathetic to this perspective, but I’m beginning to wonder if one candidate deserves something of an exemption. TNR’s Michael Crowley highlighted this experience at an event in Iowa for Hillary Clinton, where he spoke with a local woman who looked to be in her late 60s, who’d just heard Bill Clinton on the stump.

She’d been undecided before seeing Bill tonight but is now backing Hillary. “He made me believe all the things that I’ve sort of been questioning about,” she said with a charmed smile.

Then I asked her what her friends and neighbors are saying about the other candidates. She said there was a lot of debate and indecision, and that people have concerns about each candidates’ particular weaknesses. Specifically, she said some people are “worried” about Obama’s race, and whether it might make him unelectable. She continued:

“That, and the fact that he’s a Muslim,” she said, without a trace of irony or guile. “That’s where we got all our problems from.”

“Do you really believe it’s a fact that he’s a Muslim?” I asked. “Because it’s not true.”

“Well, that’s what I’ve heard,” she replied, seemingly unfazed.

This was an engaged voter, who’s going to caucus tomorrow, and she’s “heard” that Obama is a Muslim. Indeed, she’s so certain it’s true, she’s willing to talk to a reporter, on the record, about it, as if it were an obvious fact.

Every time I hear Obama talk about his church, his Christianity, and/or his community organizing in Chicago with religious groups, I remind myself that he has an added hurdle that the other candidates don’t — he has to remind voters that the bogus rumors they’ve probably heard are patently false.

Mike Huckabee, however, doesn’t have that excuse.

It therefore makes his over-the-top religious rhetoric far less reasonable.

Two nights before the crucial first-in-the-nation caucuses, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee appealed to God to grant his supporters guidance as the former Arkansas governor struggled to maintain his tenuous lead.

“We cannot do it,” he said referring to Thursday night’s Republican caucus, “by arming ourselves and taking anyone out. We will go to the caucuses having knelt on our knees and having asked God for his wisdom.”

Also yesterday, he reportedly told a group of pro-Huckabee bloggers that they’re “doing the Lord’s work.”

And in case his previous faith-based campaign commercials weren’t enough, the new one features Huckabee speaking in front of a banner with a Christian fish.

Unless there’s an organized effort to convince people that Mike Huckabee is a secret Muslim, all of this is entirely unnecessary, crass, and exploitative.

Mike Huckabee: “’We cannot do it,’ he said referring to Thursday night’s Republican caucus, ‘by arming ourselves and taking anyone out.'”

Isn’t “taking someone out” a euphamism for killing them? Especially after the phrase “arming ourselves”?

Is this guy literally saying “don’t kill my opponents’ caucus goers”?

Hey, I’m all for saying you shouldn’t kill your opponents in a democracy. But to imply that it might happen seems a little sick.

And if one believes in predestination, really, stick to saying “God Willing” (in Shala in Arabic, by the way). That really all you need.

Yep, Mike H is going a little too far with this stuff. But then you have to thwack a Theocrat upside his head to get his attention.

  • First, there’s no way to kneel except on your knees, assuming all Huckabee’s supporters are bipeds (which is not necessarily guaranteed).

    It’s sad the way the malicious gossip regarding Obama’s religion has persisted, and is testament to the enduring power of Conservative punditry to implant a deliberate falsehood in the electorate’s collective mind – not to mention the weakness of the debunking effort to reverse it. It’s very difficult to counter something like that, because people will always remember they heard it regardless of its veracity. I’m surprised the Righties haven’t “unearthed” secret prostitution charges against Hillary Clinton when she was in college, or something like that.

    Say goodbye to the possibility that America can ever get back to the civility that once prevailed in the elective process – attack ads and negative campaigning simply work far too well. It’s like trying to back away from the invention of gunpowder.

  • I like Obama, I think he is progressive and really does care about moving this country forward. Having said that, he is un-electable. Why, do you say? BECAUSAE HE IS BLACK AND HAS A MUSLIM SOUNDING NAME!

    Don’t forget what country we live in people, the good ‘ole US of A, home of the most racist and ignorant people in the industrialized world.

  • Perfectly said, CB…

    The idea that there is significant portion of the voting public who actually believe that Obama is attended a terrorist indoctrination school is very disturbing.

    Yet, some of these people are still willing to consider voting for him. How crazy is that?

    If Obama wins or loses tomorrow night, I hope that all the Democrats who’ve enjoyed attacking Obama for addressing religion (or being too non-confrontational), and have stayed largely silent on this very twisted dynamic, will take a step back and reflect on this…

  • Your colloquist, a modestly well-educated, mostly well-informed citified citizen illustrates perfectly Obama’s (and hence the Party’s) dilemma:

    Mid-Dull Murkins ain’ta’gonna ‘leck no skinny, black dude with no heathen name. Must be a Muslim! N o Christian ever had a name like that!

    Barry O’Bama, mebbe…
    Barak Obama?
    not hardly…

    Gay-ron-TEED, chers.

    Though prob’ly I shouldn’t have to, I hasten to say these are not my personal sentiments, tho I am not an Obam-acolyte. If he wins the nomination, I shall cast my vote for him.

  • At the risk of sounding the huge cynic (shocking, I know) I suspect a lot of people have a huge problem with Obama’s race but use the Muslim rumour as an “out.” There’s no reason should an “engaged” Democratic voter give a damn about his religion, unless she buys all of the “They Want 2 Kill Us” bullshit or thinks there should be some sort of religious test for elected officials..

    Either way she doesn’t sound engaged to me and that’s the cleverest bit of the Madrassian Candidate crap. The GOP is smart enough to know they can’t just say “But he’s a black dude!” in this day and age. So they’ve created a lie that gives closet racists of all stripes an excuse. It isn’t that he’s one of those people, they tell themselves, it’s that he’s one of those people.

  • Or maybe this is the reason we really shouldn’t be relying on Iowa as the “First in the Nation” nominating event.

    The people there are self-blinded bigots?????

  • I’m going to diverge from the gist of this post and respond to a specific comment made by the Iowa voter: “[Bill Clinton] made me believe all the things that I’ve sort of been questioning about [Hillary Clinton]” she said with a charmed smile.”

    This quote bothers me. I would have no problem putting Bill Clinton back in the White House. But Hillary Clinton is no Bill Clinton, and the fact that Hillary was unable to secure this lady’s vote without Bill’s help is a reminder of that (anecdotal, I know).

    We need a Democratic leader that can not only get to the White House, but once there, get things done. Senator Clinton can have the best policy proposals in the world, but if there’s a chance that she can’t close the deal on her own as the Democratic candidate or, if elected, behind the bully-pulpit, then for me, that’s a reason to pause.

  • It’s sad the way the malicious gossip regarding Obama’s religion has persisted, and is testament to the enduring power of Conservative punditry… -Mark

    Conservative punditry, former Clinton staffers, who can tell the difference?

    …unless she buys all of the “They Want 2 Kill Us” bullshit or thinks there should be some sort of religious test for elected officials. -TAIO

    I honestly think a lot Clinton supporters do buy into that mentality and think the Clinton is their best best for continuing the war. Someone has to represent the militant wing of the Democratic Party.

    I highly doubt it is his race; religion is so much scarier, especially to history’s most oppressed religion, Christianity (just ask O’Reilly). It is so refreshing to see them pull themselves up by their bootstraps and spread devious lies make a firm stand against one of their own, though.

  • Well the readers of this blog get a thunderstorm of information whereas most Americans get just a gentle mist. They tend to believe what they hear first and everything else is just a denial. Obama’ is connected to Islam in many people’s minds because of mere association.

    These are Democrats though and they really should know.

    Not to be serious a moment. I have a confession to make. I don’t like Obama’s voice. It’s not a deal-killer but it grates on my nerves.

  • The only thing that is clear to me is that there is no place for non-believers like myself in this new America. Religion this – religion that. Ugh. All this religious political rhetoric coming from all sides is like food that has monosodium glutamate added to it – it gives me a headache.

  • Huckabee truly represents the contradiction of the Republican platform. How can you say, “I’m the most pius” and “I’m the warrior”, or “I’m the most humble” and “I’m the most moral.” So when he said that Jesus would be too smart to run for President, it was more than a cop out. It was an admission that he can’t reconcile his positions.

  • I am so tired of religion and politics I could scream.

    As we have seen time and again, a professed faith or membership in a particular church is no guarantee that morals and ethics are part of the package, so I’m not sure why it matters so much to people whether someone is or is not a person of faith. Or why there has to be so much emphasis on what kind of faith it is. I don’t take a lot of comfort hearing someone brag about killing pheasants, or find it reassuring that he finds it amusing to name all the dead birds after competitors. I am uncomfortable hearing someone joke about doing what they can to keep Iowans who want to caucus for his competitors from getting to their caucuses. I do not feel uplifted by someone who brags about how many inmates he’s executed, nor do I feel reassured by someone who thinks it’s okay to force a young girl to endure a pregnancy that resulted from the rape by a family member. Giving tuition breaks to the children of undocumented individuals doesn’t balance that out.

    Huckabee is like so many who have a not-so-hidden mean streak, and think that the mantle of religion and the constant invoking of God’s and Jesus’ name somehow allows them to practice something other than what they preach.

    As for Obama, as much as I would like the country to be ready for a black candidate, I don’t think it is, not really. For one, there are still people who wouldn’t vote across racial lines even if the candidate were God, Himself. Trot out Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and that’s all it will take to turn some people off. Others will allow that middle name of “Hussein” to keep them from voting for him. In some ways, running against Obama might be the GOP’s best chance to win.

    The last thing I want to hear in the wee hours of election night is the “moral victory” we achieved by having the first black nominee for president, even if the actual victory went to Mitt Romney or John McCain, or – God forbid – Mike Huckabee.

  • This obsession with religion is another example of completely bogus — but nevertheless successful — conservative framing. In fact, it’s an overlapping of frames: Dems are goddless/Repubs are righteous, and ‘America was founded as a Christian nation.’

    America may have been founded by believers, but those believers were smart enough to install a secular government for the benefit and well-being of all.

    I would love to hear a candidate to say ‘my personal beliefs are none of your business any more than your beliefs are any business of mine. When religion becomes a test for office, it ought also to become a test for voting. And should that day ever come, America will no longer exist.’

  • Anne wrote, “As for Obama, as much as I would like the country to be ready for a black candidate, I don’t think it is, not really. For one, there are still people who wouldn’t vote across racial lines even if the candidate were God, Himself. Trot out Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and that’s all it will take to turn some people off. Others will allow that middle name of “Hussein” to keep them from voting for him. In some ways, running against Obama might be the GOP’s best chance to win…

    I think most of us have the same concern. Which Democrat is most likely to win the general election, and if possible, win with a mandate?

    I understand Anne’s concern about Senator Obama’s race and middle name, but a recent poll has indicated that Obama is the only candidate to beat every leading GOP candidate. This poll indicates that both Clinton and Edwards would have a difficult time in the general election.

    I tried to link to the Zogby poll, but the link won’t display, so I’ll just spell it out for you if you want to take a look: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1404

    Of course, it’s early, but this stuff gives us something other than just instinct to rely on.

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1404

  • More disgustingly privileged self-righteous blowhards praying their asses off for the cameras. I guess the whole part about locking yourself away and praying in secret is for stealth muslims, because there’s no dearth of empty souls parading their god around like spiritual bling. They never use religion to better their neighbors; it’s all just to enrich themselves.

    Call me crazy, but I don’t think you’ll ever find the Huckster on his knees. Not unless he’s sure that all the wackos are watching and approving as he’s asking gawd for more shit.

  • With Hillary’s surrogates out pushing the Obama is a Muslim garbage, is it any wonder that an “engaged voter” was misinformed? I’m surprised she didn’t say, “I think his days of slanging crack on the corner might not go over well in a general election.”

  • #10 Well the readers of this blog get a thunderstorm of information whereas most Americans get just a gentle mist. They tend to believe what they hear first and everything else is just a denial.

    Has it right. The question is how many of these people will be at the caucus?

    Oh, and EvilPoet don’t leave yet, it seems that 10 – 15% believe in the same thing you do.

  • “…parading their god around like spiritual bling” – Neon Ovenlight

    Nice turn of phrase! Are you a writer? You have the style!

  • John,

    Don’t be an ass; lay the blame where it’s due: the right. The GOP and Fox News are to blame. They were the ones to initially push out that smear–and relentlessly (they still do). Hillary fired that staffer who sent an e-mail and former senator Kerrey, a supporter, apologized for his so-called compliment that Obama would have global appeal b/c he attended a Muslim school (BTW, many op-ed columnists who support Obama enthusiastically have made similar claims that him spending his childhood in a Muslim country would be a huge positive for Obama–and the US–in wooing Muslims).

    Also: Matthews is the one that keeps repeating the drug dealer bit on MSNBC (in addition to the usual suspects: talk radio, Fox, etc.). Her staffer said it once that he was concerned the GOP would attack with him for his past use of cocaine and she fired him and personally apologized to Obama (Mind you, the right also convinced many that the Clintons are murderers for crying out loud so we should be prepared for completely baseless attacks against any of our candidates).

    I am an Edwards supporter myself, but it’s ridiculous to blame Clinton for the right-wing attack machine attacks on Obama and it’s smacks of hypocrisy when Axelrod, whom Obama defended, implied most strongly that Clinton is to blame for the Bhutto killing on the very day of the assassination! (also: this not only wrongly attributes the assassination to “terrorists” instead of the Pakistan military and intelligence services, but even if it were true, Obama himself has voted the same as Hillary on Iraq and the ‘war on terror,” so he, too, would be to “blame”).

  • Oh, and I forgot to add: it was Obama’s campaign that hit Clinton for being a candidate from “Punjab.” Where’s your anger over that?

  • There’s another reason that Obama’s strategy is wise: Religion elects Presidents in this country (Christian religiosity, of course). Since 1980 – you remember Reagan – all presidents have increased their use of Christian messaging dramatically.

    ‘The God Strategy’ by David Domke and Kevin Coe, Oxford University Press, pub. Dec. 2007, spells out the data in riveting detail.

    It seems as though we’re stuck with it until we develop a different way to communicate commonly held values and ideals. At least Obama is speaking for the majority of Christians, not extreme Christian Fundamentalists. It would lessen my fears for this country if those moderates and progressives who tend to politely remain silent found a voice.

  • I am not religious but, I do understand why Obama has to stress his at times. Going to Warren’s church, speaking in churches and talking about it. Some on the left are angry and suspicious of him because he does this without thinking he has to not only disspell the rumors but, in order to get elected he needs the votes.
    What the people who suspect him with the rumor do not seem to think about is that Obama went to school in Jakarta in the 1960s! I do not recall it as a time of radicalism in the muslim world. Though the school he went to was public and his father was a skeptic of religion and his step father was a very lapsed muslim. Back then, that was not an issue. It has only become so in the past few years.
    I feel bad that Obama is always being hammered by the left without them realizing that he has to tread a different line than someone like Edwards.
    He needs to wear his religion on his sleeve, and it is not just the right that has spread this rumor. Hillary’s camp did for months.
    And he also needs to appeal to middle class whites and the black community as well. So he needs to present a less overly progressive face.
    It would be nice if the so called open minded left bloggers could take what Obama has to deal with into concideraton before they just turn their noses up and say he is not ideologically pure so he is the enemy.

  • This was an engaged voter, who’s going to caucus tomorrow, and she’s “heard” that Obama is a Muslim.

    The mythical Iowa Voter strikes again.

    I’m not an Obama supporter, but sheesh …

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