Obama backs Lieberman against the wall (literally)

Joe Lieberman, fully embracing his role as a Republican attack dog, took the lead in a GOP conference call this morning to attack Barack Obama’s Middle East policy. On the call, organized by far-right Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Lieberman argued, weakly, that Obama holds the U.S. responsible for Iran’s strength in the region.

“Senator Obama argued today that American foreign policy in recent years has essentially sort of strengthened Iran,” Lieberman said, adding, “If Israel is in danger today, it’s not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way. It’s not because of what we’ve done in Iraq, it’s because Iran is a fanatical terrorist expansionist state.”

Obama, apparently, didn’t care for Lieberman’s comments, so much so that the Democratic presidential nominee confronted Lieberman directly on the Senate floor this afternoon. Subscription-only Roll Call reported:

[D]uring a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Now, as far as I know, this wasn’t an entirely forceful confrontation, and the two reportedly “patted each other on the back” after their discussion. Reporters apparently peered over the edge of the press gallery wall to watch the disagreement, prompting Obama to smile and point up at the reporters. (I mention this because I don’t want to suggest Obama was about to smack Lieberman around.)

But it’s also the kind of anecdote that reminds us that Barack Obama is not afraid to push back against those attacking him.

I don’t imagine he changed Lieberman’s mind, and I seriously doubt Lieberman will think twice before attacking Obama again.

But I’m encouraged anyway. Lieberman needs to be backed up against a wall more often. Besides, as Roll Call reported, “Obama loyalists were quick to express their frustration with Lieberman’s decision and warned that if he continues to take a lead role in attacking Obama it could complicate his professional relationship with the Caucus.”

As for the substance of Lieberman’s criticism, Sam Stein reported:

The crux of Lieberman’s argument, however, was that Obama was putting the blame for Iran’s rise in the Middle East on America’s doorstep, pushing the argument that the Iraq war had strengthened Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s standing in the region and left Israel left secure.

“If Israel is in danger today it is not because of us foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way,” he said. “It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical, terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.”

The remarks fit into a traditional GOP rallying cry, that the Democrats have a blame-America-first mentality. But there are outstanding factors that could muddle Lieberman’s message. For starters, most objective metrics indicate that Iran has, in fact, been strengthened by America’s involvement in Iraq. The Persian nation, after all, has increasingly meddled in Iraqi affairs.

But also, McCain, despite tough rhetoric on Iran, has several advisers with deep connections to the country; perhaps the most embarrassing of which is Charlie Black, the campaign’s chief strategist. Before leaving his perch as a D.C. lobbyist, Black represented a Chinese oil company that did business with the Iranian government. He and his firm also represented Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi exile who helped churn up support for the war in the United States and has subsequently been accused of selling U.S. secrets to Iran.

I wonder if Obama brought any of this up.

One thing I wonder is, based on the last election, which Red states can Obama turn Blue? I think he can carry all of the Blue states from last 2004 but which states can he turn – he has to turn at least one.

  • The Republicans have is wrong. Iran’s position is now stronger because of President Bush’s policy… we Democrats have a “blame Bush first” mentality…

  • “My friends, let’s not unduly anger the young senator.”

    This gives the green light to other Democratic senators to boldy confront Lieberman. And Hillary Clinton claimed Obama wouldn’t be tough enough to take on the Republicans? I don’t think he has nay plans to leave the kitchen.

  • Well we took out Iran’s greatest enemy and left a vacuum in his place. Of course it strengthened Iran. That’s my factual opinion.

  • Lieberman should lose his membership in the Democratic caucus AND his committee chairmanship. If he wants to flirt with the dark side he can just go live over there, and see how he likes being in the minority.

  • My staff tells me that Joe…MENTUM is sweeping acrossed New Hampshire.

    JoeMentum finishes in a three way tie for third and finally realizes that people think he sux. JoeMentum has not been right in the head since then.

  • Disgusting warlike behavior from Senator Sissy. If he’s not being a weak girly man on the basketball court, he’s acting out his worst alpha impulses on the Senate floor. It’s clear to anyone paying attention that not only did his mother baby and feminize him, but his wife Michelle is anachronistically submissive to his brutish dominant behavior.

    How did a man so confused in his gender identity become the Democratic nominee, and how will average red-state voters react to this in comparison to McCain’s wholesome masculinity?

  • Can’t wait for Fox to spin this into “Obama, the taller, younger, more physically fit – didja notice we didn’t say BLACK? – senator…PHYSICALLY THREATENED older, weaker, SENIOR senator Joe Lieberman! Is that the kind of bully-BOY tactics we can expect from an Obama Presidency? DARK days are ahead for the Obama candidacy.”

  • Prof. B,

    One thing I wonder is, based on the last election, which Red states can Obama turn Blue?

    Likely:
    ColoradoVirginiaOhioNew Mexico (assuming it was Red in 2004)

    Possible:MissouriNevadaFlorida

    Unlikely, but not completely out of the question: North Carolina Georgia Indianapolis Texas

  • Argg…the preview area showed my bullet points…arggg!!!

    one more time:

    Likely:
    Colorado
    Virginia
    Ohio
    New Mexico (assuming it was Red in 2004)

    Possible:
    Missouri
    Nevada
    Florida

    Unlikely, but not completely out of the question:
    North Carolina
    Georgia
    Indiana
    Texas

  • There are a lot of assumptions in this story. Just because a happened and then b happened doesn’t mean a caused b. Good story though.

  • You go Obama!

    Get all up in Lieberman’s face. ALL democrats should be 110% behind securing a DEMOCRATIC victory in the fall. Traitors should not be tolerated. Ask Lieberman if he’s fine with a 3rd straight democratic loss – 12 years out of the Oval Office?

  • I don’t imagine he changed Lieberman’s mind, and I seriously doubt Lieberman will think twice before attacking Obama again.

    Oh he is thinking twice. There is a new sheriff in town.
    This is the law. Play fair by it… or else.

  • The crux of Lieberman’s argument, however, was that Obama was putting the blame for Iran’s rise in the Middle East on America’s doorstep, pushing the argument that the Iraq war had strengthened Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s standing in the region and left Israel less secure.

    Ahmadinejad was mayor of Tehran when we invaded Iraq. He wasn’t elected president until 2005, after making Iran part of the axis of evil, and after many Bushies spoke publicly about invading Iran. Before that Mohammad Khatami was president. He was a moderate who favored freedom of expression and a tolerant society. Furthermore, Iran hadn’t invaded anyone in centuries and since Ayatollah Kohmeni, was never considered particularly belicose.

    Lieberman is as dazed and confused as McCain.

  • Obama just went up a lot in my estimation.

    As for the pats and smiles. That’s just for show.

  • Let’s remember that Lieberman is not the only hawk in the Democratic Party. In the 80’s many pol’s fled the GOP because of the rising influence of the growing power of religious fundamentalists. They’re still in the party – Democratic Leadership Council is just one example.

    They support, and are supported by, a strong military industrial complex and global corporations. They are top-down people. Obama’s campaign has balanced big corporate donors with massive grassroots donations.

    This may be a watershed moment for those politicians who resemble Joe Lieberman. There is no place for them to go except perhaps to follow Lieberman’s lead and go independent.

    Anyone else see a power struggle looming in the weeks ahead?

  • I don’t want to suggest Obama was about to smack Lieberman around.

    Darn. You lost me there in disappointment.

  • D Pecan: I’d never heard that before, although I admit I wasn’t paying that much attention in the ’80’s. Was there a movement name or key word I could google to find more, or perhaps you remember a few names. I find this fascinating. Thanks.

  • Edo –

    Iowa was blue in 2000, but ever so narrowly red in 2004.

    It will be blue in 2008.

  • Outstanding. He should’ve dunked his head in a toilet, but this is a good start.

  • This is just what I thought obama would start doing, strong arm tactics on anyone who doesnt agree with him or confronts him, and you havent seen anything yet, wait till all his muslim/terroist, friends/supporters start in. obama is going to be the start of the end for America.

  • I agree. When we removed Saddam Hussien from power in Iraq, we enabled Iran to become the biggest and most dangerous power in the region. What kind of idiot would do such a thing? We had no compelling reason to overthrow Hussien and many reasons not too. I’m NOT saying Hussien was a good guy or our friend, but America should only wage war when we’re attacked. I thought that’s what this nation stood for…

  • Is it possible for me to admire–nay, even love–Obama more than I do?

    Taking on Holy Joe “Turncoat” Lieberman might cause that, yes.

  • Repeat after me, boys and girls:

    Obama is the Nominee. Obama, by being the Nominee, is now the de facto head of the Democratic Party. That makes Obama Lord of the Manor, and Joe Lie becomes the scullery wench. Joe Lie can get with the program, or he can get a one-way ticket on the next “gray-dog” to GOPerLand.

    Permission to throw Joe Lie under the bus has been implicitly authorized by head-of-Party Obama’s actions.

    The blame for Iran’s rise to political power “is” the responsibility of America. Bush’s America. The America of those who have empowered Bush, the America of those who have profited from the insanities of Bush, and the America that endlessly beats the drum for Bush.

    Bush’s America is the weak link in the chain of meaningful global security and peace, and Joe Lie wants to defend that weak link.

    Remind me again—when is the first day for the 111th Congress? The one where we’ll have more than enough Dems in the Senate to finally—FINALLY—throw Joe Lie under the bus and kick him out of OUR caucus? The one where we can spend the last measly weeks of the Bush administration by constantly, on a never-ending basis, telling Cheney to go f**k himself?

    Joe Lie—a reason for making Soylent Green a reality if there ever was one. We could sell him to China as repayment for all that tainted dog-food they shipped over here last year….

  • “It’s not because of what we’ve done in Iraq, it’s because Iran is a fanatical terrorist expansionist state.”

    Expansionist? Who exactly has Iran “expanded” into?

  • My god, it’s as if Israel can do no wrong. They are never at fault for anything not even their reputation for massive land grabs since biblical times. Are we to assume they have never made a mistake or committed an error? At any rate the US occupation and the concentrated elimination of the Sunnis certainly strengthened the Shiites and therefore Iran. Our occupation of Iraq has strengthened the terrorists in the area which would also decrease Israel’s security. Lieberman is dead wrong and uses any issue as an excuse to attack Iran. He and his cohorts like McCain and Graham are fear mongers always pushing for war with Iran with the inevitable result of destabilizing the area just as they did with Iraq.

    They just don’t get it and will always be impediments to peace in the area because they lie and mislead about the realities in Iran just to keep the war profiteers in business. Israel’s main economy centers around the security business which even dominates in the US. Real or imagined their economy would collapse without the continuous threat of war and terrorism. Lieberman is a mealy mouth bought and paid for neocon tool whose career will soon be brought to an end. Jerusalem Joe has got to go because he’s detrimental to Israel and the US. So long Joe…it won’t be long but it will be for good.

  • DA Comrades! The Colors Are Wrong. The Blue States Should be Red for the
    for the Traditional Peoples Revolution. WE, YOU INCLUDED! Are heading down the road to Communism with this group of characters. “From each accorording to there means, to each according to their needs” Vladimir Lennon & Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto. Sound familiar! Maybe you didn’t learn this in 8th Grade Civics Class. This system has FAILED everywhere it has been tried. Think about this, if you are able. Nothing new. Old and tired policy. Always failed whereever it has been tried.

  • Unfortunately they would look poorly on the Nominee beating up a senator

    However let it never be said that Obama can’t handle himself

  • No such thing as communism. Only thugs with a label to control the masses. It was never a reality merely an ideal. Even freedom must be a compromise. It has failed eventually everywhere where thugs take control of the nation no matter what they call themselves. Here it is the neocons and corporatists but they just couldn’t get “total” control.

  • Unfortunately they would look poorly on the Nominee beating up a senator

    Who is “they”? I can’t think of anyone except the Republicans who financed Joe’s last campaign. They weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway 🙂

  • I wonder if Joe knows how despised he is – and I suspect Obama let him know how bad it can get.

    Obama’s got a lot of people backing him. If Joe decides to continue his little dance with the Republicans, he’s going to be even more hated nationally now if, say, Obama critiques him publically.

  • […] the Democratic presidential nominee confronted Lieberman directly — CB

    Democratic presidential nominee….Democratic presidential nominee… Yeah, Mary, I *know* he’s only *presumptive* Democratic presidential nominee, but, what bliss… Democratic presidential nominee…

    Mary, Mother of Odd (@9), and slappy (@10)

    You both forgot that he *smiled* while doing all that intimidation of poor, peacenik Joe. The sadist!

    Democratic presidential nominee…

  • Speaking of trombones and Peanuts teachers, Joey Leebs totally sounds like both.

    Wait! Is Mary actually Joe Lieberman?! It all makes sense now.

  • Prof B said: One thing I wonder is, based on the last election, which Red states can Obama turn Blue? I think he can carry all of the Blue states from last 2004 but which states can he turn – he has to turn at least one.

    Maybe all he has to do is make sure no states that he WINS get counted as a win for the other side. Seriously, I think we are all looking a little too hard at the electoral maps of ’00 and ’04. Electoral maps have changed often during our 220 years. They will likely again this time around. Can you say “sea change”? I knew you could.

  • This is a bunk story. All the early reports were that Obama and Leiberman had nothing but a very friendly conversation. They have a buddy buddy relationship. Obama picked Lieberman as his mentor in 2004 and campaigned for him in 2006.

    You people are trying to cover up the closeness and the fact that Obama isn’t really a progressive by pretending that there was some confrontation when that is just a total lie.

    The two were sucking up to each other as usual.

    One of these days you guys will realize you have fallen for a bill of goods from corporate america- who made sure that the true progressives – like Edwards was becoming – were off the ballot in november by putting in their boy who has already been brought and paid for by Rezko and the finance companies who have given us Lieberman.

    Thats another reason why Obama is so buddy buddy with Mr. Bank of America Biden and refused to vote for a cap on interest rates.

    Unfortunately when you learn that Obama is nothing but banal platitudes and corporate business as usual – it will be too late.

  • Vladimir Lennon & Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto. Sound familiar! Maybe you didn’t learn this in 8th Grade Civics Class. — Richard, @30

    OMG! Is *that* what they’d been teaching y’all here??? It’s no wonder that Joe — and others like him — have no clue when it comes to the world outside…

    Dickie darling,
    This lesson may be coming too late to do you any good, but I’ll try anyway:

    Lennon — John — did write, but mostly songs (you may have heard of The Beatles)
    Vladimir — the guy you’re thinking of — is, probably, Lenin.
    He (Lenin) too wrote a bunch of stuff, but not the Communist Manifesto.
    The Manifesto was written by Karl Marx and Frederick (Fredrich) Engels.

    If you gonna go scaremongering, at least get your civics lessons straight…

  • Libra said:

    Lennon — John — did write, but mostly songs (you may have heard of The Beatles)
    Vladimir — the guy you’re thinking of — is, probably, Lenin.
    He (Lenin) too wrote a bunch of stuff, but not the Communist Manifesto.
    The Manifesto was written by Karl Marx and Frederick (Fredrich) Engels.

    LOL!!! and “ouch”!

  • “But it’s also the kind of anecdote that reminds us that Barack Obama is not afraid to push back against those attacking him.”

    And thank God, I say. At last a Dem presidential candidate who is not a big ol’ wuss. There are a lot of things I admire about Senator Obama, but this is a huge one.

  • @16: There’s a new sheriff in town

    You bet there is. Shades of Blazing Saddles. Check out da man. Like Will Smith told Tommy Lee Jones in Men in Black: “I make this look good!”

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  • Lieberman, McCain, President Bush, etc. all visit Iran under the cover of darkness and secrecy. When the Iranian president visits, he does so in broad daylight. And now the Iraqis are going to Iran for a visit. It sure looks like Iran has some strength.

  • Iowa Dissenter,

    Thanks for the clarification. I thought it went Red, but wasn’t sure. I fully expect Obama to win Iowa in October.

  • “Lieberman needs to be backed up against a wall more often.”

    Actually, if you can get a competent firing squad, backing him up to the wall once should be enough.

    As for those who suggest that Obama will take a hit on how he treated LIEberman, just whip out the stories of McCan’ts abusive language to other Senators to counter balance.

  • You’ll have to forgive Vladimir Putin’s eccentric older brother, Richard (@30); he’s the family’s skeleton-in-the-gulag closet, and always seems to get his Lenins and Lennons mixed up—especially when he skips his daily meds….

  • John Lennon wasn’t a commie!?! You mean I burned my records for nothing?

  • It is undeniable that the attack on Iraq has helped Iran’s hardliners. They would not have won a majority in the Majles for the first time since the revolution if it hadn’t been for the anti-Americanism the Iraq war generated within Iran, and I am positive it played some role in Ahmadinejad’s election. Iran also is deeply involved in Iraq infiltrating the government, many militias, and local governments. Obama at AIPAC today made that argument forcefully, which I really appreciated because it’s been driving me crazy that the Democrats haven’t really gotten into the issue of Iran’s rise as a regional power and how US policy currently can do nothing to stop it. Iranian End Game in Iraq

  • Politics always comes down to the personal. And Obama obviously knows how to make his point. Joe Liebershit, the Senator from Jerusalem, has gotten away with his anti-Semitic baiting long enough, and despite the requesite bow to AIPAC that all the candidates made today, Obama is at least willing to confront the pandering idiot from Connecticut. If only Obama would confront Israel the same way, but that is too much to hope for.

  • Can someone please clear something up for me? Is Obama running for President of the United States or Prime Minister of Israel? Cuz he spends more time talking about all the wonderful things he’s going to do for Israel while us stupid Americans are wondering how we’re going to keep food on the table and gas in our cars, not to mention our jobs that now cost twice what they did two years ago to commute to.

    Can someone close to Obama please ask him exactly to what political office he is aspiring?

  • The reason I am voting for Obama is because he is not afraid to confront the weenies and D-bags of the republican party. ‘Bout time.

  • Lieberman=The other Senator from Israel, the first one being Hillary!
    Or as Wu in Deadwood would have said:”Libahman..Cocksukahh!”

  • don’t speak ill of the senator from Israel, Joe Lieberman.

    It is a little scary that a US senator is unable to act in the best interest of America rather then a foreign country instead.

  • FTFA: “If Israel is in danger today it is not because of us foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way,” he said. “It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical, terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.”

    Translation:

    If Israel is in danger today it is not because of us foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way,” he said. “It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical, terrorist, expansionist state and has a leader and a leadership that constantly threatens to extinguish the state of Israel.

  • “Disgusting warlike behavior from Senator Sissy”

    hmm not really in touch with reality are you?

    lieberman is neocon and a traitor [not just on a party level].

    bye.

    p.s. shut the fuck up.

  • I’m thinking we don’t know the whole story. In any case, I like this em. How many of us would like to smack Liebersleaze?

  • Can assault charges be far behind, or, at least, civil charges for when Lieberman peeh his pants?

  • Iran may be a lot of things but they are not aggressive expansionists. The rhetoric is thick, but I guess they can get away with it considering our wonderful and informative MSM.
    The people in power right now are obviously playing Repugs, but they are not. They are neocons, or corporatists, or Fascists….take your pick. They are here to empower corporations that are taking over the world. Good thing Hillary isn’t making it…. she’s one of them.
    I hope people start to count their media owners, beef packaging and seed hoarding companies. When they do, the picture starts to get very dark.

  • Lieberman is emboldened by his dickish behavior because Bush is still hawking up loogies in the Oval Office. Once Bush has been kicked to the curb Lieberman’s tone will drastically change. He’ll no longer have the backing of the Bully Admin anymore. He’ll need different backers and they won’t want to give him the time of day.

    Good day, Senator Lieberman. Tail… meet tucked.

  • Sounds much better than the alternative scenario….

    Which is Israel continues its saber rattling, plunges the world into darkness and does who knows what under the command of Hillary Clinton.

    I despise the influence AIPAC holds with iron rods over the United States, and Europe, but on the bright side if there is sane people of the Jewish community to counter-act it- to rise up in opposition- then there is hope of peace coming to the region and ending this disaster.

    What countries like Turkey and lobbies such as AIPAC do, is encourage war to solve their problems.

    Zion, Christain Zionism is based on war and not peace. I have faith Obama will come to terms with this through immense pressure.

    As long as Israel wags the tail of the US/UK using Christain Zionist hegemony, we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

    AIPAC is an extremist group, there’s not enough voices heard in the Zionist lobby whom are opposed to anything which causes further war.

    If the US on the other hand rejects Christain fanatical Zionism and firmly backs both Israel / Palestine to solve this conflict- then perhaps we can wake up from this nightmare once and for all.

    Perhaps we can dissolve the Patriot Act, this Zion centric fascist society, and completely revoke the franchise of endless war-mongering.
    http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com

  • If Obama is using his new power as the nominee to bully Lieberman – he is making a huge mistake…Lieberman currently holds the balance of power (deciding vote) for the Democrats in the U.S. Senate…I also take great offense that Obama would try to bully Lieberman physically… I hope with all my heart and soul that Obama gets his butt kicked in the General Election…He is the biggest fraud ever on the American public…a PT Barnum song and dance man backed by the Kennedys. In all my studies on politics – I have never seen the public be so duped as they are by this man and his cronies.

  • Republicans using the “blame America first” line, as an offensive weapon might find they have to defend the inverse.

    “America can’t be wrong” is what they convey.

    That opens, wiretapping, rendition, Guantanamo, Abu Garib, secret prisons, and a myriad of other issues for them to defend.

    That’s going to be difficult.

    Might just be impossible.

  • As for the Republican Party itself, besides Ron Paul its hopeless worthless sh** now.

    The Republican Party, having been thoroughly radically “Zionized” by the out of control Likud Party of Israel and large foreign corporations is a true threat.

    At least the Democratic party is not lost yet completely to barbaric Christain Zionism, the Republican party most definitely is. The GOP is nearly one hundred percent full of Zionist Liberal nutcases now!

    http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring2.html

    We ABSOLUTELY need Ron Paul to ressurect the corrupt, thourghly Israel controlled Republican party back from the graves!

    This is the time to launch an all out offensive using the new Independent party as clearly the hell-bent AIPAC only effectively controls the far side of the Republican party now.

  • Obama gives it back in spades…talking about playing cards yo! We need someone who can go to the “dance” laced up, ready, and packin’ a few haymakers.

  • Oh, please, dear God, just backhand him one good pop in the jowls, in the name of party unity

  • please avoid corporate jargon like “push back”, seriously damages your writing style

  • Generally, I expect erudite, pithy Senators to avoid the phrase “sort of”.

    Damage done, the expression “sort of” means that something has a vague, slight, or minor role / part of a greater whole.

    The word “essential” means that without it, the whole lacks meaning. The essential something is its essence, the larger part, very important.

    Given these two observations, let us review, Senator Liebrman’s blathering momentarily:

    “Senator Obama argued today that American foreign policy in recent years has essentially sort of strengthened Iran,” Lieberman said,

    Nice work, Connecticut.
    Just 4 more years before you get your Mulligan.

  • Let’s push to put a dominant progressive majority in the Senate this fall. Then the Dems can defenestrate DINO hawks like Lieberman.
    Thanks for the information about this confrontation, but could the Carpetbagger please find some writers (or editors) who can write more clearly?

  • One thing I wonder is, based on the last election, which Red states can Obama turn Blue? I think he can carry all of the Blue states from last 2004 but which states can he turn – he has to turn at least one.

    Virginia

  • Reply to EDO, post #12:

    Edo says,”Likely:
    Colorado
    Virginia
    Ohio
    New Mexico (assuming it was Red in 2004)

    I say, agree, except forget Ohio, don’t need that state.

    Edo says,
    “Possible:
    Missouri
    Nevada
    Florida”

    I say, Missouri and Nevada possible, but forget Florida, they’re a bunch of Rethug trogloydytes.

    Edo says,

    “Unlikely, but not completely out of the question:
    North Carolina
    Georgia
    Indiana
    Texas”

    I say, Georgia and North Carolina possible, but forget Texas and Indiana. If Obama wins GA and NC, it’ll be because the election has turned to a rout and McCain gets buried in a Goldwater-esque landslide.

    I would add that Obama will need to campaign heavily on defense in Pennsylvania and Michigan, and to some extent in Connecticut.

    I’m thinking the map will more resemble 2000 than 2004. If he can hold the states that Al Gore won, and pick up Virginia and Colorado, which is very do-able, he’s home free, and screw Ohio and Florida, we don’t need ’em.

    Once this election is over and Dems pick up enough senate seats to block filibusters, it’s time to forcibly eject that rat fink Lieberman from caucusing with Democrats.

  • But…if the democrats, especially the blue dogs, had not granted Bush his every wish and demand, there would be no Middle East crisis now. The democrats in congress enabled the Republicans to get away, literally, with murder! IF anyone wanted to do the right thing, Bush and Cheney would be at their impeachment hearings on a daily basis right now. That would be the only way to bring back checks and balances and remove the blame game and make some real needed changes in our foreign policy.

  • Now that Obama is the head of the democratic party, his pimp hand just got stronger. Five across the eyes for Joey D-bag? Now that’s change I can believe in!

    About time we had a democrat with a pair.

    You go, Obama!

  • To fully understand what drove the Bush Administration all one needed to do was look at the 1998 PNAC website (which has recently been removed from the web) and which contained all the BushCo criminals in its roster. In their “Rebuilding Americas Defenses (2000)” file they discussed attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria. Cheney, Wolfie, Perle, Kristol, Rumsfeld, Bolton, and a host of other neocons were founding members of this “thinktank.” Prior to the 2001 attacks in NY, their article on page 51 stated that it would be difficult to boost military spending “absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor” ……” It could not be clearer that this bunch had a mission and that was military dominance throughout the Mid East and all the wealth and power that and the building contracts would bring them. The group were all Zionists!

    We are now suffering from blowback and I don’t now doubt that more attacks are imminent on the bullies……..US!

    Already Obama is knuckling under for the AIPAC support. We have wandered away from the rule of law which is the US Constitution, and the intelligence of the Founders who all believed that we should not form alliances with any nation.

    If the Chinese came over here and invaded us, setting up military bases and imprisoning our people, what would you all think and do?

    In their view, it is WE that are the terrorists and aggressors. BLOWBACK!!!

    BushCo is totally responsible.

    PS…Iraq DID NOT attack us on 9-11!

  • “Lieberman needs to be backed up against a wall more often.”

    – Maybe so, but I don’t think he likes it very much. He has now started a borad grass roots campaign for McCain. Many critically thinking democrats had already vowed to support McCain if Obama got the nomination – now they have a voice. Now that he is facing the race against McCain Obama will soon go up in flames and it will be very entertaining to watch that. Time will tell, but this may have been the starting point.

    @ greg
    I remember the 21st debate between the candidates. It was the first debate where Obama was asked a few tricky questions and he crashed miserably. In his speech the next day he actually COMPLAINED being asked tricky questions. I mean, how DARE they ask him tricky questions in a political debate! Sorry, but I fail to see balls on that man. Among many other things he is a whiner.
    Hillary, on the other hand, stood her ground extremely well against Bill O’Reilly, who Obama didn’t even dare talk to. If anyone, it is Hillary who had balls in this campaign.

  • Obama is sending a message to old white guy McCain by roughing up old white guy traitor Lieberman.

  • Typical black guy who thinks he can push around people to get results, he is DONE!

  • What is wrong with this Joe Lieberman?
    Joe, do you believe that Jesus Christ is the MESSIAH?

  • When people want to accuse Obama of being threatening they should remember some of McCain’s outbursts, the ones where he yells and turns red in the face. Obama has answered criticisms and attacks in a measured way. This does not make him a sissy. He is not a mudslinger. He has been diplomatic about answering some of his attackers. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, but neither compare to McCain’s angry replies to people who question what he does or says.

  • Joe Lieberman is a good man. He sees that the liberal wing of the democratic party has hijacked the party. McCain is a was hero and Obama has no experience, other than sitting in church for 17 years litening to his hate mongering pastor. Lieberman should be commended for having the balls to cross party lines and support the better candidate.

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