Obama, Clinton find their new target

Yesterday, we talked about how the Democratic presidential race was poised to enter a new phase — with the race for the nomination down to the top two, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will start making the case that they can beat Republicans in general, and John McCain in specific, in a general election.

I consider this a very positive development. Entering this phase of the contest will help Obama and Clinton focus their message in a helpful way — highlighting what’s wrong with the McCain/GOP agenda, and how best to beat it in November.

We got our first real taste of this new phase early on last night.

Q: Senator Obama, one other thing both of your health insurance proposals have in common is they would cost billions of dollars in new spending, and both of you have proposed raising taxes on a lot of Americans to pay for that and for other proposals. Well, now, you know what’s going to happen this fall in the general election campaign: The Republicans are going to call you tax-and-spend liberal Democrats, and that’s a charge that’s been effective in the past. How are you going to counter that charge?

OBAMA: Well, first of all, I don’t think the Republicans are going to be in a real strong position to argue fiscal responsibility when they’ve added 4 (trillion dollars) or $5 trillion worth of national debt. (Cheers, applause.) You know, I am happy to have that argument.

If John McCain, for example, is the nominee, I respect that John McCain in the first two rounds of Bush tax cuts said it is irresponsible; that we have never before cut taxes at the same time as we are going into war. And somewhere along the line the Straight Talk Express lost some wheels — (laughter) — and now he is in favor of extending Bush tax cuts that went to some of the wealthiest Americans, who don’t need them and were not even asking for them.

Bingo. According to the transcript, it was the first of six references Obama made to the Arizona senator. For her part, Clinton made nine references to Republicans.

For all the talk about how much more polite last night’s debate was, the truth is, Dems can get along just fine when they focus the attention on going after the GOP instead of one another.

Time and again, it seemed as if Clinton and Obama recognized the utility of this strategy. When Wolf Blitzer asked about the substantive differences Clinton sees between herself and Obama, she said:

“[T]he differences between Barack and I pale in comparison to the differences that we have with the Republicans. And I want to say that, first and foremost, because it’s really a stark difference…. [T]he Republicans were in California debating yesterday, they are more of the same. Neither of us, just by looking at us, you can tell, we are not more of the same. We will change our country.”

Asked about the fact that neither Dem has ever run a business, Clinton said:

“Well, I would, with all due respect, say that the United States government is much more than a business. It is a trust. It is the most complicated organization but it is not out to make a profit. It is out to help the American people. It is about to stand up for our values and to do what we should, at home and around the world, to keep faith with who we are as a country.

“And with all due respect, we have a president who basically ran as the CEO/MBA president. Look what we got. I am not too happy about the results.”

Asked about withdrawal timetables in Iraq, Obama said:

“I think it is important for us to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. And so I have said very clearly I will end this war. We will not have a permanent occupation and we will not have permanent bases in Iraq. (Applause.) When John McCain suggests that we might be there a hundred years, that I think indicates a profound lack of understanding that we’ve got a whole host of global threats out there. […]

It was part of the reason that I think it was such a profound strategic error for us to go into this war in the first place and that’s one of the reasons why I think I will the Democrat who will be most effective in going up against a John McCain — or any other Republican, because they all want basically a continuation of George Bush’s policies — because I will offer a clear contrast as somebody who never supported this war, thought it was a bad idea. I don’t want to just end the war, but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place. That’s the kind of leadership I intend to provide as president of the United States.

See? Isn’t going after Republicans better than going after other Dems?

More of this, please.

If you close your eyes and click your heels three times you can almost see an opposition party;>

  • Martin, ain’t that the truth. And, dare I say, I even felt a tinge of pride watching the debate last night. Two intelligent, well-spoken, informed and engaging candidates. Head over heels better than anything the GOP can throw at them, on darn near every issue (although, as we all know, that does not necessarily translate into electoral success, but this year is setting up to be different).

  • From your mouth to G-d’s ears, Bubba! But, yes, I was very impressed with what I saw in the debate last night. I am getting the impression that, if she gets the nomination, Hillary Clinton will be compelled to pick Obama for VP. That will unify the party unequivocally. And Obama will be the first VP contender since Johnson to galvanize voters who might not otherwise show up.

    I still would prefer Obama at the top of the ticket (with Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer as VP,) but I would certainly have no problem volunteering for, not to mention voting for, a Clinton/Obama ticket this fall.

  • See? Isn’t going after Republicans better than going after other Dems?

    Barack Obama’s
    “…I don’t want to just end the war, but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place. That’s the kind of leadership I intend to provide as president of the United States…”

    is aimed at Hillary every bit as much as at McCain.

  • Hillary is running against Bush, asking America to remember the 90s and pointing out that even with Clinton’s tax increase on the wealthest Americans the economy grew and they still got richer while we got a paper surplus.

    Obama is gearing up to run against McCain, challenge the war and accuse him of flip-flopping on the tax cuts during a war.

    And Bubba, ‘Head over heels’ is an idiom for tripping over your own feet. You mean ‘heads and shoulders above’.

    Which is true, thank God.

  • Even stumbling over their own feet they are head and shoulders and midriff and pelvis and knees above the remaining GOP candidates. Obama or Clinton (or both??) will make McCain or Romney or Huckabee look small.

  • “And with all due respect, we have a president who basically ran as the CEO/MBA president. Look what we got. I am not too happy about the results.” – HRC

    A lovely little general election mantra. I hope they beat Shruby and RepubCo over the head with this relentlessly.

  • “[T]he differences between Barack and I […]

    Sheesh… What is it, with Americans’ disdain for grammar? You have only four cases and they’re vestigial — limited to the tiny area of personal pronouns. Yet, even the most literate can’t seem to be able to keep those few cases straight; as soon as you see “and” between them, all the common sense flies out of the window.

    It’s: “Barack (he) and I don’t differ much” but “the differences between Barack (him) and ME […]”

  • Well Obama’s fans are head over heels for him. But I think Dems use their heads when dealing with those Republican heels. And hopefully the Reps will head for the hills in November.

  • What is it, with Americans’ disdain for grammar?

    Damn prescriptivists, coming around and messing up the place. With their complaints about “proper” this and “correct” that. Mutter mutter mutter… where’s my damn walker anyway – lousy kids… 🙂

    Ahem – I like attacking McCain instead of each other. I especially like the quoted bit up there where Wolf setup Clinton to diss Obama and she threw him a curve and slammed old Straight Talk instead. Good stuff – More please! Maybe this is a “coded message” for their “internal partisans” to back off each other for a while and start gearing up for the actual important fight instead.

  • Still waiting to hear from the TVs the flip-side analysis of the last debate. After South Carolina, commentators enjoyed declaring the GOP the winner of the Clinton/Obama smackdown. So while I can’t honestly say who won last night’s debate (both were pretty impressive), it’s pretty damn clear that the loser was the Republican party.

  • Please Hillary and Barack, more heaping servings of red meat! The Republican field is pretending George W. Bush never existed. Thank you for reminding the nation what a Republican disaster he’s been.

    This nation has plenty to be angry about and it’s better to direct that anger at the deserving Republicans rather than the Democrats.

  • Libra, that’s a pet peeve of mine as well. My friends, though, are tired of me correcting their grammar.

  • They both looked good in this head-to-head debate. Civility reigned.

    Hillary was on her game. Obama did well to force her to try to defend her Iraq war authorization, but failed to confront her about her failure to read the NIE report.

    Obama had a great point in noting that the renowned businessman, Romney, had not obtained much return on his campaign investment. Hillary had a nifty line that a Clinton had cleaned up after a Bush presidency and that a Clinton would now do the same.

    Both won. Hillary showed her excellent skills in outlining policy positions. Obama did OK and certainly did benefit a lot just from the additional exposure this debate.gave him.

    homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

  • Here are two adjacent headlines on TPM about the debate:

    # Obama: End Iraq War Mindset
    # Hillary: White House “Lonely”

    Clinton Distortion Syndrome ya think? Much?

    And this is from a respected pub.

  • it’s interesting that most of the time Obama would talking about being the next President and often said “I will do this” or “I will do that”, but Clinton mostly said “we will do this” or “we will look at” and even “whomever the next President will be.” Just an observation, please no…I don’t think she was refering to herself and Bill…I think she was refering to herself and her administration. The reason I bring this up though is that I kept falling back into thinking she was talking about herself with Obama as VP.

  • Re #19,

    Wasn’t too long ago that Obama was being praised for his use of WE and Hillary slammed for her use of I.

    How’d things get reversed?

    I think Hillary is coached to think of We as herself and America.

  • It was indeed worthwhile to see the two candidates going after the real enemy. I know who I am voting for next Tuesday, but if it turns out in Denver that the two of them are close, and if Hillary reaches out to Obama the way JFK did to LBJ in 1960 (as someone who watched that convention as a political activist, let me assure you people were surprised, to say the very least – it was a situation much the way people would think of it now), I could see it working. LBJ brought strength to Kennedy (delivering the South for him) that was crucial. Obama delivering folks like me (and the rest of us) would be crucial now. I think he has the stature he would keep her and hubby honest. (go read the NYT article on Bill and his Foundation to see just what we have to worry about with that guy – he is so incurably corrupt, even to the point of stepping on Hillary to get a few million bucks more)

    And, as people who pushed an Edwards/Obama ticket 6 months ago pointed out, he’s got the youth to have the time to wait.

    Not that this is what I want to see, what I want him to do, but one thing I have learned and re-learned is that politics is the art of the possible.

  • libra,

    I cringe when I see people write “compleat” instead of complete, or “there” instead of their or they’re. My other pet peeve is people who say EYE-raq instead of EAR-raq.

    I guess even intelligent people can be victims of a public school education.

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