Obama hears the FISA criticisms, and responds

The bad news is, Barack Obama is supporting a bad FISA bill. The good news is, Obama is aware of the criticism he’s received over the issue, and takes the concerns seriously.

After a protest group gained prominence on Senator Barack Obama’s own campaign Web site, the candidate has written a response to those who object to his support for the current compromise legislation in the Senate on immunity for telecoms. The long note explaining his position appeared on his campaign Web site this afternoon, and several of his policy staff members answered questions in the comments section for about 90 minutes. Though Mr. Obama did not change his position in response to supporters’ objections, the mere fact of his response, as well as the choice to put it on his own site, is a remarkable illustration of the power of online organizing.

Obama acknowledged that this was “not an easy call,” and that the House-backed legislation is “far from perfect.” Just as importantly, he acknowledged the role of the netroots in the process.

“…I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I’m happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere,” Obama said. “For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples’ attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true — not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.”

Obviously, those of who want Obama to oppose the FISA “compromise,” a group that includes me, would prefer the senator reach a different conclusion. But it’s nevertheless encouraging, at least a little, that Obama has heard the concerns, respects the criticism, and is engaging critics directly.

“It is very significant for the presidential candidate to directly respond to his supporters disagreements with a single policy,” The Nation’s Ari Melber said. “While the campaign was surprisingly late to address people organizing through his own tools, via his own Web site, it’s a respectful honest and direct response.”

It’s not a reversal, but it’s a start.

If you missed it, here’s Obama’s statement yesterday, in its entirety. You’ll notice, of course, that Obama continues to oppose retroactive immunity for the telecoms, just as he consistently has from the outset. He is, however, willing to support the overall bill, whether this provision is removed or not.

“I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.

“This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn’t have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush’s abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration’s program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That’s why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

“But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I’ve said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility

“The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

“The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I’m persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe — particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I’ve chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention — once I’m sworn in as President — to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

“Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I’m happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples’ attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true — not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.

“I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I’m not exempt from that. I’m certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States — a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples’ business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.

“Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That’s ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

“So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.”

From there, a spirited discussion ensued in the comments thread. As evidence of the campaign taking the concerns seriously, Danielle Gray, Deputy National Policy Director; Denis McDonough, a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor; and Ben Rhodes, Foreign Policy Advisor and Senior Speechwriter, all participated. Take a look.

I have mixed feelings over this. On one hand I abhor the whole FISA thing and what the Bushies have done to our civil liberties and the abuse of their power. Bush himself has violated the very thing he has sworn to uphold and defend, our constitution.
My cousin is visiting us this week. She lives in France as my mother is from there and we have family we talk to. this means we are subject to and have probably been wiretapped for years.
So, this is more then disturbing on a personal note.
But, at the same time, I know Obama is a constitutional scholar who reveres this document and civil liberties. And I simply cannot shake the feeling there is more to this then meets the eye. I feel like he is throwing his support to this for a very good reason but, is not a liberty to say why.
Most of the time when I have a strong feeling about something it turns out correct and in this case I do.
Which is why I have not said much anywhere regarding this. I cannot let go of the feeling there is something going on we just do not know about.
I could be wrong but, until proven otherwise i will wait and see and go with what I feel.

  • vwcat,

    It has to do with getting support from the blue dog democrats. After all they are the largest caucus in congress.

  • At times, I really think people on the left, especially “teh internets”, believed the right wing noise machine that Obama was the most liberal senator out there. I don’t agree with Obama’s stance on the FISA bill, but it’s falls perfectly in line with his past actions and actual centrist views. Again, not happy with him, but not suprised either.

  • Sorry CB but this —
    For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples’ attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens.

    –is simple, basic, politically patronizing speech, patting the cute little rabble rousers on the head, telling them “thanks for participating, now go play while the grown ups take care of business” — and, btw, patting himself on the back for “allowing” this discussion on his official website, which is the only strategically savvy thing he could do, since otherwise the netroots would be organizing against him unless he did exactly this.

    I support Obama for president and I’m not changing my vote, but I’m beginning to see some tarnish on the bright image of hope.

  • grs – he was against it before he was for it. There’s nothing consistant about Obama’s position here.

    Nanuq – agreed 100%. Unfortunately, it’s not difficult to see this getting worse. And the worst part is that it’s not a policy change that’s in Obama’s best interests, he’s just following received beltway wisdom despite the disconnect that group has with virtually every sector of the country.

  • I agree with vwcat, #1. I think he has a plan, and it will become apparent in time. Also, I think too many of us, in supporting him, expected all his views to mirror ours. In reading his early stand on issues, however, it is clear that he’s all about compromise. It’s time.

  • I eagerly donated to his campaign. I, like many others I have heard, felt Obama represented something different in politics. Someone that could and did inspire. Now, I have nothing but buyers’ remorse. I will continue to vote (D) down ticket. But, I will be registering my dissatisfaction with his hard moves to the right with a vote for Ralph. Why should progressives surrender their principles just because on other issues Obama seems like the better choice? Progressives may not have the voting power to elect Nader, but we should have the votes to make sure Obama doesn’t get elected. If he wants our support maybe he should be reminded of our electoral power and stop taking it for granted.

  • With all due respect, the notion that Obama has some mastermind plan here that we are all just not wise enough to see is just plain silly. His support of this bill is just what it appears to be. He either agrees with the provisions in the bill which expand executive power or he feels he needs to agree to them because he thinks it makes him more electable. Either way, holding on to the hope that there is some super secret double reverse jedi mind trick here is not supported by anything other than wishful thinking.

  • I think no one here will disagree with my statement that I was one of the first and one of the strongest opponents of this FISA business when it came out. I quit my job as an Obama fundraiser.

    I then did a lot of thinking about politics as i have come to understand them through practical experience in the past 40 years, and as much as I hate having to do triage on important subjects, it comes out to this:

    All the things I want the government to deal with – the war, the enviornment, the energy crisis, the economy, military reform, alternative green economic development, etc. – will not happen if John McCain is in the White House and/or there are 41 Republicans in the Senate. The one irreducible fact is that the only outcome of this election that has any hope of doing anything about any of those issues that’s close to what I think needs to be done, is to have Barack Obama in the White House and 60 Democrats in the Senate. Anything else is failure.

    And so I am now back doing 40 hours a week working for the campaign. Anmd spending more than a few minutes every day having this discussion with folks. I am glad to report that I’m generally successful in convincing people to at least take the time to think about this before they declare themselves doing something irrevocable – and more than a few find themselves agreeing with me.

    As to those who think they will vote for that old scumbag and general asshole Ralph Nader – a man who now spends all his time attacking everyone who holds any progressive position on any subject – you demonstrate your political pre-adolescence by such a choice. The man is a worthless idiot and you demonstate your lack of understanding of reality if you think that’s a choice worth voting for. If you’re going to vote for a protest, and do it on this topic, then at least vote for Bob Barr, who does agree with you.

    Ending on a good note, the worthless Southern traitor Jesse Helms is at this moment discovering what God really thinks of scummy asswipes and ignorant white supremacists and fascists like Jesse. May he burn for 10 eternities on the 9th Level.

  • Something I forgot to add to my earlier rant , , , ,

    Years ago I served as the Chair of a large region of a non-profit organization. One of my predecessors took me aside and offered advise about how to handle the many people who would want “just a few words” with me. I was told I should smile and say with as much sincerity as I could manage, “Thank you for your input. I will certainly take it under consideration.”

    That statement is the sum total of Obama’s message to the people on his website who oppose his support of the FISA “compromise”:

    “Thank you for your input. I will certainly take it under consideration.”

  • I respect Senator Obama’s intelligence enough to not perceive his response as patronizing.

    As a federal district court has just reaffirmed, the existing FISA law ALREADY has an exclusivity provision. The reason so many of us have “passion” on this issue is that the administration has shown its willingness to invent contorted and, in the view of every judge who’s yet ruled, bogus justifications for why the law doesn’t apply, or doesn’t mean what it says in plain English!

    So agreeing to this bill because it has an ‘exclusivity provision’ is just stupid. We don’t need an “improved but imperfect” bill. We have a law IN PLACE that grants the powers needed. They didn’t NEED to break the law, they just did, because they believe they are above the law.

    Passing this bill would just say “Well, shucks, it’s OK that you choose to break the rules, we’ll just change them for you.”

    Obama needs to read Glenn Greenwald.

  • Excuse me, that should be

    “I respect his intelligence enough that I must perceive his response as patronizing.”

    Too much “passion”, not enough editing. Doh.

  • Obama has that “new boyfriend” syndrome. Lots of excitement and he looked damn near perfect in those early days. You know, when you get to project on him all those traits you’re looking for beyond cute and smart – character, depth, humor, a moral center.

    As time goes on, he’s no longer the shiny new thing. He disses your best friend (behind her back of course), you begin to see his smarminess when he sucks up to your boss and he just doesn’t fit in or get your family’s zany, noisy humor – and he’s stopped trying. The ultimate deal breaker – you learn that he’ll do or say anything to get what he wants.

    You know the type – you’ve dated him or perhaps it’s your daughter or a good friend. He just never lived up to the promise of those first, early days. Best to heed the advice you’ve given or gotten – Lose him quick and move on.

  • For some reason, the first thing I thought of when I read this post was Putin’s “Q & A” sessions where he would take questions from the people, seriously address them, project an image of a leader who listens to his constituents (the definition of Democracy in Action) and then proceed to wield dictatorial power. I realize full well that Obama is not Putin, but the look and feel is the same.

    I don’t buy the “trust Obama” line: the U.S. is a Nation of Laws and not Humans, so even if Obama is saintly enough not to abuse his shiny new powers as President, the next President may be. That’s the whole point of a Democratic system: the laws limit the power of individuals. The Founders (like the Romans and all other democratic peoples before them) distrusted the notion that all leaders are possessed of impeccable character, and instead relied on laws to keep them in line. This should continue.

    This being said, I still like Obama and think he knows what he’s doing. I was always cautious of Obamamania: he is not running for King or Messiah, after all. So I’m not surprised by his FISA opinion and I remain optimistic that his election as President will usher enough good changes to yank us out of this pit. Even so, no matter what he does, he may not make a huge dent in Bush’s mess. This mess is profound and we likely don’t know the half of it. I would caution everyone not to use the FISA thing to say: “See, I told you so, Obama is a liar, he didn’t turn out to be our Savior after all.” He’s just a candidate for President, folks. Treat him as such.

  • Nothing new here, Obama is doing what he thinks he needs to do to win, period. He’ll say what you want to hear until he doesn’t need your support anymore, ie: progressives during the primary season when he opposed FISA and NAFTA and the war and he made public financing a big deal, now he says he’ll reconsider pulling all troops out in 16 months, he supports FISA, and is all about NAFTA like it was his own freaking idea, and he threw public financing under the bus with Grandma, Wright, and Trinitiy United.

    He has my vote, but sadly he lost my respect long ago. Too bad there’s no chance for HRC to get the nomination, I just hope Obama can still win against McCain.. it’s really pathetic that he’s barely ahead of him in the polls.

  • Thanks for dropping buy…your concerns are noted….thanks for having them…now screw off because I’m not listening my mind’s made up…impeachment is off the table …lol

    Sorry but you can blindly pass if you want but this is wrong and GG shows why…:

    Obama’s new statement on FISA
    Barack Obama has issued a new statement on FISA in response to the growing number of his supporters objecting to his position. Genuine credit to him for being responsive this way and for having his site be a forum for disagreement among his supporters and himself. Providing a forum for those sorts of debates is a sign of a secure and healthy campaign.
    Despite that, the statement contains many dubious claims and, in a couple cases, outright misleading statements. Worse, Obama’s statement only addressed the objections to the telecom immunity provisions of the bill, while ignoring the objections to the (at least) equally pernicious new warrantless eavesdropping powers the bill authorizes. Taking Obama’s claims in order:

    “It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush administration’s program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That’s why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.”-Obama

    Obama says he will vote to remove immunity from the bill, but he knows full well that this effort will fail and that the final bill will have telecom immunity in it. The bottom line is that he will nonetheless end up voting for this bill with immunity in it even though he previously vowed to support a filibuster of “any bill” that contains retroactive immunity. Put another way, Obama claims he opposes telecom immunity but will vote for a bill that grants it.
    But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year.

    Whether it’s better than the Protect America Act (PAA) is irrelevant. The PAA already expired last February. If the new FISA bill is rejected, we don’t revert back to the Protect America Act. We just continue to live under the same FISA law that we’ve lived under for 30 years (with numerous post-9/11 modernizing amendments). So whether this bill is a mild improvement over the atrocious, expired PAA is not even a coherent reason to support it, let alone a persuasive one.

    “The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court.” Obama

    The current FISA law — as a federal court ruled just yesterday — already has the same exclusivity provision, and it did nothing to stop the President and the telecoms from breaking the law anyway. The fact that Obama is now going to vote to end the telecom lawsuits and immunize the lawbreakers means that there will be no consequences for their having broken the law. How can Obama possibly claim that the “exclusivity” provision in the new FISA bill has value when the current law that they broke already has the same provision?
    As I wrote today:
    They’re presenting as a “gift” something you already have, and telling you that you should give up critical protections in exchange for receiving something that you already have — namely, a requirement that the President comply with eavesdropping laws. What they’re doing is tantamount to someone who steals your wallet, takes all the money out, gives the empty wallet back to you, and then tells you that you should be grateful to them because you have your wallet.

    Exclusivity is obviously no reason to change the current FISA law since it already has exclusivity in it. Obama:

    “In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people.” Obama

    The government already has “the authority to collect the intelligence it needs to protect the American people.” That authority is called FISA, which already allows the Government extremely broad authority to spy on any suspected terrorists. The current law results in virtually no denials of any spying requests. So how can Obama — echoing the Bush administration — claim a new law is needed to provide “the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people” when the current FISA law already provides that?

    “But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I’ve said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility.” Obama

    This is just false. The new FISA bill that Obama supports vests new categories of warrantless eavesdropping powers in the President (.pdf), and allows the Government, for the first time, to tap physically into U.S. telecommunications networks inside our country with no individual warrant requirement. To claim that this new bill creates “an independent monitor [to] watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people” is truly misleading, since the new FISA bill actually does the opposite — it frees the Government from exactly that monitoring in all sorts of broad categories.
    Why else would Bush and Cheney be so eager to have this bill if it didn’t substantially expand the Government’s ability to eavesdrop without warrants?

    “The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation (PDF) uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.” Obama.

    Having the Executive Branch investigate itself for alleged lawbreaking is not “oversight.” In our system of Government, government officials and corporations which are accused of breaking the law are subjected to courts of law — just like everyone else — not to “investigations” by agencies within their own branches of government with very limited powers. Marcy Wheeler has more on the extremely limited capacity of Inspectors General to investigate lawbreaking at high levels of government.

    “The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I’m persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe — particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I’ve chosen to support the current compromise.” Obama

    This is the most misleading part of Obama’s statement. The “certain surveillance orders [which] will begin to expire later this summer” — that Obama claims we must maintain — are warrantless eavesdropping orders that were authorized by the PAA, which Obama voted against last August. As I asked the other day:

    Had Obama had his way, there never would have been any PAA in the first place, and therefore, there never would have been any PAA orders possible. Having voted against the PAA last August, how can Obama now claim that he considers it important that the PAA orders not expire? How can he be eager to avoid the expiration of surveillance orders which he opposed authorizing in the first place?

    Moreover, the Government already has “the ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States” under the current FISA law. Citing the need for such monitoring in order to justify this new FISA bill is just pure fear-mongering (“you better let us eliminate FISA protections if you want us to keep you safe from the Terrorists”). Obama has always said in the past that “the FISA court works.” When did he change his mind and why?

    “I do so with the firm intention — once I’m sworn in as president — to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.” Obama

    This expression of Obama’s “intention” has so many equivocations and vague claims as to be worthless. In a society that lives under the rule of law, government officials and corporations which break our laws are held accountable by courts of law, not by vague promises from politicians of some future “review” and “recommendation” process grounded in claims that we can trust the Leader to do the right thing, whatever he decides in his sole discretion and infinite wisdom that might be. That is no consolation for blocking courts from adjudicating whether laws were broken here, which is what the bill that Obama supports will do. Glenn Greewald

    This needed to be seen in its entirety.

  • I suggest current and now growing former group Obama faithful get to know the Seven Stages of Grief, you’re going to need it:

    1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
    You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

    2. PAIN & GUILT-
    As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.
    You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn’t do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

    3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
    Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.
    You may rail against fate, questioning “Why me?” You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair (“I will never drink again if you just bring him back”)

    4. “DEPRESSION”, REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
    Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be “talked out of it” by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.
    During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.

    5. THE UPWARD TURN-
    As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your “depression” begins to lift slightly.

    6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
    As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.

    7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
    During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

  • Catherine @15,

    New boyfriend syndrome notwithstanding, it could be worse. He could be the incestuous grandfather who says that if you tell anyone, he’ll do something horrible to you. Meanwhile the whole family knows already but everyone is too chickenshit to say anything for fear of rocking the boat, or having to air the dirty laundry, or god forbid be cut out of the will. He could be McCain*.

    *disclaimer: I’m not saying McCain is literally an incestuous grandfather. It’s just an analogy for his and the RNC’s politics.

  • “Too bad there’s no chance for HRC to get the nomination”

    What are you talking about? Hillary lost the nomination because she was pandering to the right when she voted to authorize the Iraq war. Obama’s record is tarnished, but is still better than Hillary’s.

  • Did anybody really not expect Obama to start changing his positions as soon as he wrapped up the nomination? He’s a politician after all, he is going to say whatever he thinks will get him the nomination and then switch to say whatever he thinks will get him the Presidency. As for him taking the concerns seriously, again he is going to say whatever will get him elected. I think Cold Fury says it best with their satire piece.

  • Three reasons for Obama to re-reverse his FISA position, and to reassert his intent to filibuster any bill containing immunity:

    1) Judge Walker’s ruling yesterday makes clear that FISA exclusivity is already the law. This is one of the “good” parts of the compromise that Obama stated swayed his decision, and is now moot.

    2) To demonstrate his stated independence from telecom lobbying influence. Anyone with a pulse can see this is why the swing blue dog Dems have shifted stance since February; Obama must lead by example to show that he is not for sale like them.

    3) The rule of law. Bugliosi, Digby, Greenwald and others have made this point. What in this bill is more important?

  • SteveT: “Thank you for your input. I will certainly take it under consideration.”

    I actually took it as something slightly more honest than that. To me, it sounds like, “Thank you for your input. I will certainly NOT take it under consideration.”

    … which is okay with me. We agree to disagree and know each other’s stances. On the other hand, I’m waiting to see what Greenwald responds with, because I’ve supported his stance the entire time. Will he skewer him, or at least accept the honesty? Or more likely, will he get into the legalese and show again why Obama is wrong?

    All of this is okay. Despite some centrist talk these past two weeks, Obama has not actually changed positions on anything but FISA that I can remember. The NAFTA thing was not a change, as I commented somewhere else the other day. Iraq policy, not a change. Etc.

  • Franklin said:
    SteveT: “Thank you for your input. I will certainly take it under consideration.”

    I actually took it as something slightly more honest than that. To me, it sounds like, “Thank you for your input. I will certainly NOT take it under consideration.”

    When someone says, “Don’t call us, we’ll call you,” they almost certainly have no intention of calling you. When I said, “Thank you for your input. I will certainly take it under consideration,” I almost never had any intention of actually taking what they said into consideration.

    I rarely used that line though — usually only with someone who was more interested in hearing themself speak than in paying attention to what was coming out of their mouth.

  • This is a silly, silly mistake by the Obama campaign. Why pick a fight with the netroots on this of all subjects? Other issues he has definitely gotten a pass on, but this? Something he promised exactly the opposite action on? Stupid.

    I don’t buy his statement– it’s just politicking, patting us on the head, as someone mentioned above.BAH!

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