Obama puts veterans’ benefits on the front-burner

One of the week’s more contentious disputes came between Barack Obama and John McCain over benefits for the troops, highlighted by McCain’s opposition to a bipartisan expansion of the GI Bill. Obama questioned McCain’s priorities; McCain lost his cool and attacked Obama for not having served in the military; and the dispute got a little nasty.

But Obama isn’t backing down, and seems anxious to make this a key campaign issue.

Barack Obama told veterans Saturday that he can’t understand why Republican John McCain opposes legislation that would provide college scholarships to people who have served in the U.S. military.

“Now, let me be clear: No one can dispute John McCain’s love for this country or his concern for veterans. But here’s what I don’t understand. I don’t understand why John McCain would side with George Bush and oppose our plan to make college more affordable for our veterans,” the Democratic presidential candidate said. “George Bush and John McCain may think our plan is too generous. I could not disagree more.” […]

Obama, speaking to reporters aboard his plane Saturday, countered that the idea that he can’t speak on veterans’ issues because he didn’t serve in the military “makes no sense whatsoever.”

“I didn’t serve, as many people my age, because the Vietnam war was over by the time I was of draft age and we went to an all-volunteer Army. But obviously I revere our soldiers and want to make sure they are being treated with honor and respect,” he added.

This may seem counter-intuitive. McCain, given his military record and background, would seemingly have a lock on issues like veterans’ benefits. Obama, in this sense, should avoid the issue that should cut automatically in McCain’s favor.

But the reality is, Obama has found a key vulnerability for McCain, and he’s taking advantage of the opportunity.

His media-driven reputation notwithstanding, McCain’s record on veterans’ issues is actually something of an embarrassment. Brian Beutler reported in The Nation:

Times have changed since McCain needed veterans services so urgently. And for many of those thirty-five years, McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, the candidate who talks the best talk on veterans issues, has demonstrated a tendency to work against veterans’ interests, voting time after time against funding and in favor of privatizing services — in other words, of rolling back the VA’s improvements by supporting some of the same policies that wrecked Walter Reed.

Likewise, the estimable hilzoy took a close look at McCain’s voting record on veterans’ issues and came to a similar conclusion.

I put the wonky results, with links to all the roll call votes, below the fold. Short version: during the last four years (all I checked), McCain has supported basic appropriations for vets. However, when there are two competing proposals, he generally chooses the cheaper one, and often, when only one proposal to increase benefits is available, he opposes it. But, as Beutler says, this doesn’t seem to be because he is in general in favor of fiscal discipline: in 2006, in particular, he voted against several bills that actually tried not just to increase spending on vets, but to pay for it, in one case voting for an identical bill that was not paid for.

If you think that we ought to be spending more money on veterans’ benefits and health care, it’s not a very good record.

All of this, of course, leads to the question of why McCain has such a weak record when it comes to veterans’ benefits. Yglesias speculates:

One sort of wonders why this is. McCain’s clearly not some kind of dogmatic libertarian, and he certainly seems to have a great deal of emotional attachment to the military. I believe the particular military family in which he grew up was a bit idiosyncratic in actually being composed of life-long military officers rather than veterans (Webb, by contrast, is also from a military family and is clearly very influenced by his military background but after graduating from the academy put his time in then took advantage of veterans’ benefits to move on to other things) as such. Or maybe he just takes very seriously the idea that we can’t make the benefits too generous lest it undermine our ability to endlessly prolong the war in Iraq.

Whatever the reason, I’m glad to see Obama take McCain to task on the issue. There’s no reason to cede this ground to McCain at all.

Maybe can bait mclame into another tempter tantrum.

“Veterans benefits” to mclame means marrying into wealth.

  • Having worn a uniform does not make one a military expert otherwise we would have several million with as much military expertise as McCain. His military record under scrutiny basically sucks and is filled with bailouts and family influence. He touts himself as some authority on military affairs but he’s all mouth and doesn’t have any idea what the majority of military personnel deal with. Nor has he ever been that concerned with their benefits.

    btw…higher education should be free…it was before Reagan took office.

  • Its great to see Obama go head to head with McCain on the issues, here’s a democrat whose not afraid to tangle, but still manages to stay on the higher road

  • geee….

    Even chimpy wore a uniform before he went AWOL to snort whiskey and drink cocaine.

  • Shout it from the rooftops. Repeat it, over and over. It takes more than your American Flag lapel pin or that yellow ribbon magnet on your car to actually “support the troops.”

    But your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore
    They’re already overcrowded from your dirty little war
    And Jesus don’t like killing no matter what the reason’s for
    And your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore.

    – John Prine

  • Typical liberal dribble. Let’s undermine the reenlistment practices of the military. Let’s not reward vetrans with benefits based on years of service. Let’s give it all away for free! By the way, BHO told us all in Oregon this week that Iran was a small country that posed no threat to us (then of course reversed the absurd statement the next day). Yea, let’s bring Jimmy Carter back.

    By the way, I think all you liberals want everything for free. You are a bunch of leaches.

  • By the way, I think all you liberals want everything for free. You are a bunch of leaches.

    This is hysterical, coming from the party of tax cuts for the rich. Take a look at the fucking deficit, you moron, and see what kind of economic damage your party’s short-sighted approach has done to the national economy.

    I realize you’re a Republican, so you might need to ask someone to help you with the math.

  • Okie, John Prine is one of my lifelong favorite people. “Sam Stone” and “Hello in There” still gives me chills.

    Flag Decal, for those who haven’t heard this great man perform.

  • You are a bunch of leaches.

    You want to talk about who the real leeches are?

    Look at the Republican voting red states — they’re the ones who get much more back in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

    Red states like Mississippi, Alabama, the Dakotas, Montana … those are your welfare queen states.

    Blue states like NY, Mass., California, Illinois … those are the ones paying for you redneck leeches.

    You’re welcome, asshole.

  • Let’s give it all away for free!

    Who are you, President Bush?

    “Your $300 check is in the mail! And we just wasted $41 million dollars on these notes telling you about it! Wheeeeeee!”

  • Barrack has proposed programs that will $2 trillion (that a lot of zeros for you dumbasses) in new programs annually. It probably makes you parasites feel good, but it’s impossible to pay for. I suppose you’ll use the “tax the rich” crap. If you took 100% of the “rich” (anyone who makes more than $94,000 per year) you still couldn’t pay for the programs. But hey, what has BHO spent on getting the nomination – $300M plus. None of you seem bothered by that.

    Liberal = Victim = Give us some more stuff (only what we want) for free.

  • BDS: Ask a soldier, any soldier. Don’t know any? Fucking figures. I have a couple of hundred vet friends, even shared my 50th birthday with them. Please let me know when you wish to address them with that bullshit.

    So what’s your email, prick?

  • BDS (Barack Derangement Syndrome) writes Typical liberal dribble. Let’s undermine the reenlistment practices of the military.

    I think the explanation for failing reenlistment is pretty clear and this bill has absolutely nothing to do with it. It starts with an “I” and ends in “q”–maybe you can guess what it is? If you think this bill is going to make any difference compared to that single, staggeringly obvious cause of this problem, you are truly living in a deranged world of your own. Proud member of the “No one could have predicted!” party that you are.

    “John McSame: Let’s just keep digging!”

  • Obama can also attack McCain on the fact that McCain didn’t even bother to show up in Washington to vote on the bill. Wouldn’t commit himself either way.

  • Barack: But obviously I revere our soldiers and want to make sure they are being treated with honor and respect.

    Well-played.
    The key is to seize the flag and trump lapel flags with real patriotism.

    And so once again I exhort Obama supporters to chant “USA USA USA” at those large Obama rallies that camps McCain and McClinton find so disturbing.

    You want the wingnuts to foam rabidly and suffer apoplectic seizures?
    Make the “USA USA USA” chant your own.
    That is like driving a stake into their black hearts.

  • Barrack has proposed programs that will $2 trillion…

    Given that your boy is planning to borrow at least that much from the Chinese to keep pissing it away in the desert and filling the coffers of the arms industry, I’m not sure what your complaint is.

  • There is nothing on this planet more barnacle-covered that a Navy Admiral. These guys only got around to changing the requirements for the rating of Steward’s Mate (Oficer’s paid help) so that it wasn’t all “darkies” and Filipinos 30 years ago.

    For Admirals (most of them anyway, there are a few real oddballs, like the well-known Elmo Zumwalt and the lesser-known Damon W. Cooper – a man known as “the finest naval officer of his generation” – who had the undying support of enlisted men because he genuinely cared about them. the rest of the Naval officer corps hates these guys for having the temerity to think of the troops as human. Most of them would still be happy with “rum, sodomy and the lash” if they could get away with it.

    So it’s not surprising that failed future Admiral McCain would think of enlisted folks as he obviously does.

  • I really want to commend BDS for his sterling demonstration of the user-friendliness of modern computers – that bipeds lacking frontal lobes and opposable thumbs can use them just like for-real human beings.

  • Hey, Mr Cleaver – I ran into one of your fellow writer’s blogs – Robert J. Avrech. Given your opinions and his, I’m impressed with the diversity of the folks in Hollywood.
    BTW, I really feel that you should start your own blog. I’m not saying to stop commenting here, not at all. Please, please continue. But you could make a real contribution to the blogger community.

  • Dear flaming liberals, please continue to rant and rave. You are all victims. With your help we can turn the entire country into a bunch of whiners. What else do you want for free? You clearly take no responsibilty for yourselves. You need big government to take care of all your needs. Free, free, free, but just for me (not for all those cretins who disagree with me). The forefathers of this country are spinning in their graves listening to your pathetic self absorbed platitudes. No self reliance – please have someone take care of us. Pathetic losers!

  • What else do you want for free?

    Your fat ass carcass on a stake would do it for me.

  • Missmud, does that handle stand for the material between your ears. I happen to have 2 family members in the military. They are tired of having misinformed twits like you try to establish solid policies. Why don’t you establish some really fucking brilliant ideas like “you don’t have to report for duty if you personally disagree with the superiors”.

    My e mail is: dumb fucks that have to be protected by others should not try to create policy.com. You and other morons only survie to shoot off your mouths because others will protect you while you ignorantly opine on issues that should be left to the professional military.

  • McCain’s tax cut policies will add 5.7 trillion to the debt, by 2013 we’ll have a 780 billion dollar deficit under a McCain plan, price of oil will be around eight to ten dollars

  • MissMudd, “violence nevers solves anything”. You and Neville Chamberlin could have negotiated with Hitler. Just like Barrack is going to “negotiate” with Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc. Gosh, dumbasses like you should just be nice to our enemies. They’ll come around to your naive point of view. By the way, history is not on your side: 0/10,000,000 is not a good percentage. But I’m sure it will work for you.

    What I want for free: ignorant people like you to move to Switzerland.

  • axt113, I bet you don’t understand that the top half of taxpayers contribute 97% of all tax revenues. How would you change it? Should the top 10% pay 97% of the taxes? How much more free stuff do you want. Are you in the bottom half?????

  • Hey, guys. Keep in mind that BDS is just another troll. Trolls thrive on attention. Just ignore him/her/it and the problem is solved.

  • BDS – perhaps could could enlighten me on the “solid policies” that McCain is proposing.

  • WOW to BDS

    He hasn’t given us enough information, but from his comments, you could deduct that:

    – he lives in a rural county in Oregon that reflexively has voted Republican in the past.

    – his two family members in the military may be serving because they grew up in a rural county, and see it as a way out from their backwards upbringing.

    – he really thinks he’s smart, and in his own mind he really is, because there aren’t really all that many ‘informed’ people he interacts with in his daily life.

    – he drinks the cool-aid on a daily basis in the form of Lars Larsen talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News.

    – he believes in the conservative drivel that when you make $94,000 or more you’re rich. Ignoring the fact that Obama and Hillary are talking about people who make more than $250K, when referring to letting Bush’s tax cuts expire.

    I could go on, but he won’t understand anyway, and won’t be able to resist the urge to ‘lash’ out once again. Unfortunately, no more informed than any of his previous posts.

  • Some more BDS wisdom: “Just like Barrack is going to “negotiate” with Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc. Gosh, dumbasses like you should just be nice to our enemies.”

    Maybe he can explain WHY:

    – President Reagan negotiated with Iran to have the hostages released, after his inauguration.

    – President Reagan put his tail between his legs when the Beirut bombing happened back in the 80’s

    – President Reagan negotiated with terrorists (Iran – Contra)

    – Bush sent nice letters to North Korea to start diplomacy again, once he realized his Clinton’s policy actually worked before, and that his ‘stupid’ idea of not talking had made things worse.

    – Bush negotiated with Libya to get rid of their nuclear program

    – Bush had sent a Republican delegation to Syria while at the same time mocking (on TV) the Democratic delegation to Syria.

    According to BDS logic…. Those must be really a bunch of ‘dumbasses.’ I couldn’t agree more, but for different reasons.

    The mind of a ‘moron’ to use his own words, pretty amazing. How dense can you be?

  • Sorry to disappoint you Bruno.

    I live in good ole wonderal libeal Portland proper. I have 3 degrees including a doctorate (but it’s only from one of those midwestern Big Ten schools – you know, red state, where everyone is backward). Yes, I have a brother who is major and a brother-in-law who is a captain, both in the Army. I would be happy to spot you 20 IQ points on any test you want to take.

    Bruno,

    Do you really think someone who works 50-60 hours per week, with a professional degree, and earns $250,000 per year should pay a hugely disproportinate amount of their earning because they choose to work hard?

    Let my infer what your backgroud must be:

    – White collar employee who works in a non profit organization, probably the government. You don’t make much money so you want to “tax the rich”.
    – You’re probably not very well compensated so you rail against other people who have aspired to be successful.
    – You are lazy and like to take on people who actually take personal responsibility for their own affairs.
    – You are likely very unathletic and were picked on in school by others because you whinned constantly and ran to the teachers for protection.
    – You associate only with other like minded liberals where you live on the east or west coast.
    – You hate to debate issues because you know with the current budget deficit and spending programs that they are not sustainable, let alone the additions you and your lefty friends want to impose on people.

    Explain WHY:

    In all the situations you site above that RR and Bush both had premeetings with the regime to let them know what our expectations were before any grand “meetings” took place. There also was the veiled threat of military force if the rogue nations continued their bad murderous behavior.

    Let me remind you of what JFK said (you know, your hero) in the debate with Nixon. It is coutnerproductive to engage in discussion with our enemies unless their are preset objectives and expectations. Obama on the other hand, just wants to sit down and chat “with NO PRECONDITIONS” with our enemies.

    By the way, moron, when did Nancy Pelosi appoint herself Secretary of State so she can unilatterally meet with rogue nations like Syria (in traditional Muslim headdress no less).

  • That BDS sure is scary. It’s easy to be a tough guy from behind a keyboard. So BDS is a tough guy because he/she/it rants and calls people names. It kind of reminds me of a chijuajua behind a six foot chain link fence, barking hysterically at any dog that walks by. It leaves me absolutely terrified.

  • Shade Trail (a.k.a. mind locked in the dark), do you really hide from all conflict? Is someone disagrees or “mocks your mock’ you simply slink away. You must be very insecure. Please don’t reply, it might intimidate you to deal with someone who doesn’t share your liberal agenda.

    One last question: why has the American public disagreed with your politics in 7/10 last presidential elections?

  • gorp, please go ask the Wizard of Oz for some courage. Tell me, how would YOU balance the budget? Any ideas or just more sarcasm?

  • BDS, your trollness is lame, -50 DKP McCain blog troll points for you.

    Where Have All the Good Trolls Gone?

    In days long gone being a troll really meant something. It was more than a passing drive by, more than a hobby; it was a wicked craft practiced by evil SOB’s who worked really hard, day in and day out, to be the best goshdarned horrifically annoying, disruptive troll they possibly could be. So great was their skill and dedication, they would sooner or later unite the entire community into plotting their comeuppance in a glorious pile-on flame war.

  • Hey, guys, thanks — I’m something of a connoisseur of trolls, and, thanks to your poking the cage, we have a fine display today, hijacking the thread and turning it into as nice a display of right-wing idiocy as I’ve seen in weeks.

    If BDS has a PhD, it’s a wonder, because, last time I checked, you still needed to be able to at least write English (back when, you needed two other languages, too, but that’s clearly way too much to expect these days.) — not to mention more intelligence than the average house plant.

    It is obvious that this move of Obama’s on what McCain (and his dimmer supporters) believe is his turf is provocative. I think Obama’s plan, which is going to work very well, is to attack McCain on all points, leaving him no safe ground. Given the weaknesses of his campaign and himself, this is going to rapidly reduce McCain to a red-faced, grumpy old man, stomping his feet and pounding the podium.

    By attacking the idiotic positions of Grumpy (I nominate this as a better alias for Senator McCain than some that have been used) Obama prevents the press, who love the ol’ guy, from minimizing his comments — they have to “cover the controversy” and that plays into Obama’s strategy.

  • Charles,

    I will leave you and your smug fellow lefty bloggers to your own group think. I just pray that you won’t tax me and my businesses into oblivion. I’m sure the real reason I’m successful is due to some vast right wing conspiracy. It has nothing to do with hard work.

    You guys deserve your own remote island.

    Signed,
    Troll with money

  • BDS,

    I’m sure that your “success” (which is likely mostly in your mind) is largely due to not paying your fair share for the common benefits of our society. It is completely damning that you seem to wish us all gone.

    For the record, I don’t wish to expel even the nastiest right-winger. For better or worse they’re fellow members of the body politic. I don’t even wish they wouldn’t vote. I do wish they had the capacity for empathy, and the ability to be truly educated, instead of merely taught how to use their fellow citizens for making money off of.

  • Hey guys, let me get a bit more explicit about this:

    **PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL**

  • Here’s a video that contains an eloquent explanation of “externalizing costs” – where self-proclaimed “successful” business people pass the costs of production onto society as a who or on to individuals that are least-able to pay them.

    http://www.storyofstuff.com

    We know the gang that is really making money hands-over fist under the current administration’s policies are not trolling on this blog.

    Gotta love it when the little guy comes here and screams how great the grand theft it.

  • How would YOU balance the budget?

    How about pulling out of the illegal war in Iraq and stopping the war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    While were at it – send the folks responsible for those crimes to an international war crimes tribunal.

    Then, repeal chimpy’s tax cuts – America should not expect the burdens of Iraq to be carried only by our soldiers and their families.

    Implement a rational healthcare system where everyone gets coverage before they need to enter emergency care facilities at extremely high costs.

    Last, eliminate the dumping of private expenses on the public – companies need to pay the actual costs of their production and marketing and not expect the rest of us to subsidize it.

    Record oil profits are possible because of the illegal war in Iraq that is costing the rest of us TRILLIONS – end the many subsidies to the wealthiest corporations and individuals in America.

  • Methinks “troll with money” is stooging for that McPhony website….

    Military “servitude for life” died with the Middle Ages, bds. That’s what your bipedal dinosaur, McPhony, wants soldiers to do. Join up for life, and then we’ll give you your benefit—when you’re too damned old to do anything with it, and if you’ve survived multiple re-ups.

    The entire package of benefits as they exist now are decrepit, and the VA facilities are below minimum standards established during the Eisenhower administration. “Some people” might think Walter Reed is okay, merely because they hear the name, “Walter Reed.” But take a look at the campus buildings; some of them ought to be condemned, and many no longer meet the housing requirements estabished by the Geneva Conventions for the treatment and housing of prisoners of war.

    Why does bds and “his candidate’ think it’s okay to treat US troops in a way that violates the Geneva Conventions?

    I’ll tell you why—because bds and “his candidate” view members of the US armed forces as merely the means with which to attain the goal of “forever war.”

    And after all—it is cheaper, by far, to just stuff a dead soldier in a box, cover him with dirt, and give his family an American flag that was made in China than it is to send him to college

    That is the mentality of someone who wants war, who wants war for profit, and who wants war without paying for it.

    That is what bds wants, and what his “candidate” wants.

  • Charles,

    “I don’t even wish they wouldn’t vote”. Are you a high school graduate? Have you ever passed a class in English? Very articulate!

    How much money do you want me to send you? You obviously can’t take responsibility on your own to be self sufficient.

    Where do I send the check?

    little bear (brain),

    Do you have any projected costs associated with your “demands”?

    Shade trail (a.k.a brain in the dark), since all conservatives are deemed “trools” I hereby decree all liberals are “effiminants”.

    PLEASE DO NOT CODDLE THE EFFIMINANTS

  • The greatest asset Obama will have in the fall is dur chimpfurher himself – mclame cannot win an free, fair, open, and verifiable election running to continue the policies and crimes that 80+ percent of Americans oppose.

    Our biggest challenge will be to get the truth out through the noise of the mighty wurlitzer’s echo chamber.

  • BDS – perhaps could could enlighten me on the “solid policies” that McCain is proposing.

    BDS – I am still waiting? With those 3 degrees and doctorate I would have thought that you would have enlightened us all by now.

  • littlebear, I will give some credit for dodging the obvious question of who is “chimpy”. Let me ask you this: if (and when) someone refers to Obama (the great saviour) in such derogatory terms, won’t you be the first to scream “discrimination” and “character assasination”?

    I would like for you liberals to establish the rules: what is fair game and what is not. Then play by the rules. We are either all ultra sensitive, or we all have thick skin and all is “fair game”. Don’t try to be a hypocrite and play it both ways.

    Sniffle, sniffle, I’m offended and hurt.

  • justguessing, I hope you understand a free market. Probaly not. The reason this country has flourished (no thanks to your kind) is because people have been free to pursue their best interests – economincally, socially and religiously. Let me be clear – I don’t care what you do as long as it doesn’t dicate to me or others what we need to do. Practice your own beliefs, sexuality and political beliefs – JUST DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.

    Any nation dervies its wealth from what it produces – goods and services. Without a tax base all the “wonderful” government programs don’t exist. If you disagree, let’s take Yeman as an example. Why doesn’t Yeman just build wealth by building “wonderful” government programs? It doesn’t have any industry to tax!

    Balanced budget – what a concept! Both the Democrats and Republicans are guilty of pure poitical bullshit. George W. Bush pledged to maintain fiscal responsibility and has done exactly the opposite (which is why I destest the man). If our Congress cannot contain themselves from earmarks and political pandering we are doomed! I don’t give a crap if they are Democrats or Republican – WE HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.

    Let’s be responsible. We can only fund what the country is capable of sustaining. Let’s debate it. I personally don’t favor tons of social programs (some are absolutley essential as a safety net). I hate subsidies to any industry. That said, what do you want to cut and what do you want to add. I’d like to debate these. My final bottom line is that whatever we come up with we need to be able to afford.

    Shall we talk numbers?

  • Thanks for opening your orifice and sharing your special inability to control your bowels. I am sure that to the scat-crowd among us, you have been very enlightening.

    Personally, I would recommend you look at changing your diet.

    Whatever you are eating, it cannot be healthy for you if it causes this steady stream of bile and waste to violently project out of your anus.

    I just say this because I care – no thanks necessary.

  • Hey guys, BDS should be ignored. He obviously is a mental deficient who should never be allowed to breed.

  • To BDS- why are you writing so much garbage? Do you REALLY believe that what you write?? If you have 3 (three) degrees, what are they? Basketweaving among them?

  • BDS – Fair game? Calling someone “chimpy” when referring to his/her intelligence. Not fair game? Calling someone “chimpy” in reference to a racial slur.

    And please let us know what schools you attended and where you supposedly received your doctorate so we can have a heads up on where NOT to send our kids. Sad waste of tuition.

  • The degrees are obviously all very specialized study programs in excrement. I am grateful that people like him commit their life to sh#t so that the rest of us don’t have to.

    He has:

    (1). BS – bullsh#t

    (2). MS – more of same

    (3). PhD – piled higher and deepter

    Of course, that doesn’t mean that I turn to the crapologists among us when I want news and political insight. But I try to be respectful of the many years they have spent sitting in their own warm poo.

  • B. Bruening

    To BDS- why are you writing so much garbage?

    He might be doing it for McCain blog points.

    McCain incentivizing supporters to comment on blogs

    John McCain’s campaign is using their campaign website to encourage supporters to post supportive comments on political blogs, including the most well-known liberal site in the blogosphere. And to make things easier, they’re including talking points with which sympathizers can use to get out the McCain message.

    McCain supporters are asked to send the details of their comment to the campaign, which in turn will verify it and then reward the supporter with “points” (assumedly to accumulate for McCain swag)

    Among the “featured blogs” currently is Daily Kos, the well-read liberal blog run by Markos Moulitsas that frequently mocks and attacks Republicans such as McCain.

    We may have have a better candidate, more popular positions on the issues, and well… aren’t tied to the current disaster of a president, but…… they have fearsome evil blog trolls!!!!!

    We are truly doomed.

  • I can’t help it.
    BDS, from your comments, I would say your greed know no bounds, except those that would puncture your veneer & expose you as a closeted, self-hating gay.
    Isn’t that why you work all of those hours, didn’t go into the military, and are so filled with rage?
    You seem to be a sad, pathetic little man, getting his attention by calling left bloggers names like effeminate, lazy, and smug.
    Your hero is Grover Norquist, because you have found that as a business head, you can bully people (except the government), and you’d relly love to pay people less that minimum wage. And this is your plea to “leave us alone.”

  • uummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

    REAL successful business folks don’t come to blogs like this and dump in lies and talking points that no one accepts. They have other details to attend or better ways to recreate.

    People that have REAL PhDs don’t brag about it in the same comments where they mindlessly post repug/neocon talking points that no one believes or accepts. When was the last time you saw someone screaming about their education on a comment board?

    This is actually just another crapologists, probably earning points from the mclame team.

  • Dear Effeminants,

    God help Indiana University for producing someone who understands supply/demand. God help you pussies who can only understand your own tax and spend agenda.

    My CFO encouraged me to “join the political dialogue” on the internet(being in goof ass Portland, Oregon). What a joke! You are a bunch of “group think” liberals.

    I thank you for confirming my worst fears about libreal faggots. You are so intolerant as to not entertain debate. My CFO’s assertion that I’m “too conservative” has passed into obilivian. I employ dipshits like you on this web site (about 800). It only reconfirms to me the left oriented ” please give me something for free” crowd. I appreciate the clarification. I now know I’m right.

  • Worst case of projectile diarrhea I have seen in a while. Is there a REAL Dr. in the house?

  • Hey BuzzMon, to be exact I’m 6’3″ about 240#. I’d love to “debate” you face to face. Are you a typical liberal effeminate? If you are seriously questioning this let’s swap a time and place.

  • Hey, dud – I don’t think buzzmon was offering to meet you in a mens room for some “wide stance” gay sex.

    Please, you will have to hang around republican blogs to find that – you know, places where “wide stance” craig and homosexual prostitute with fake ID & press credentials jeff gannon/guckert blog.

    But please – your trolling for gay sex here is starting to freak me out.

  • littlebear(brain), go shrink into your corner tonight. You have no credibility with the common folk. Sniffle, sniffle. I bet you’re a real he-man “ha, ha, ha”

  • One of Issac Asimov’s characters had a saying:”Violence is the last resort of the incompetant.”
    BDS – we ll know that generally, we are all on the same side. That’s why I feel that people like Rush Limbaugh who calls his fellow Americans (that disagree with him) “the enemy” are so terrible for our country.
    Republicans have been terrible for our country, but you can’t seem to see this. Does getting a few tax breaks justify the death, destruction, and corruption?

  • I never thought I’d ever mean a “fudder” who couldn’t spell both “liberal” or Yemen”—and today I’ve discovered that there’s one who can spell neither of them. Congratulations, bds—you badmouth the Big Ten schools, but your demonstrable communicating skills—grammatical, contextual, usage, mechanics, spelling, sentence formulation, and rhetorical mushiness—all denote your lack of actual post-secondary experience.

    “Yemen,” by the way, is usually part of Grade 6 World Geography and Social Studies.

    “Liberal” is a common word found in Grade 5 Spelling and Vocabulary Skills.

    You offer a challenge to anyone who wants to take any test against you—I’ll accept that challenge—5th and 6th Grade Spelling and Social Sciences at 20 paces.

    And you didn’t draw your PhD at anyplace other than a Crayola factory—because someone like me would have sent you home little more that a quivering pile of shredded, raw self-esteem and tangled, tear-soaked, sobbing fecal matter.

  • Now, now, everyone leave poor BDS alone.

    He is just upset and emotional because his presidential candidate sucks, and will lose. And because the country hates his party and will throw them out in November.

    To make matters even worse for scumbags like BDS, after his lousy party gets thrown out, the BDSs’ taxes will get raised. Hopefully by a lot.

  • Steveeeee, you know I got my PhD in business, where the results matter. I’m glad you can pick the “fly shit from the pepper” as we say in Indiana. I will bet overwhelmingly (gosh I hope this right – I don’t spellchek) that you have never been associated with a “for profit” venture in your life.

    You need to be esconced (God – I hope Stevie isn’t spellcheking) in an academic environment. Please confirm to me that you work for a FOR PROFIT ENTITY. My guess – no way.

    Signed,
    For profit “troll” (as opppsed to my “effeminate liberals”)

  • BDS – thanks for your response but I wasn’t able to read between the lines and establish what exactly are the “solid policies” McCain is proposing that you think make him the more viable candidate for POTUS.

    (It’s actually spelt Yemen, not Yeman, just in case you are on Expedia and looking to take a trip. I was there on business in 1982, though I am sure it’s changed a lot since then, what with free markets and “my kind”).

  • BDS – You don’t seem to understand, as said on “Seinfeld,” we’re not gay, not that there’s anything wrong with that. So the attemped slurs won’t work with most of us, but I sre seemed to hit a nerve with you, eh?
    And the slave owners in the Confederacy love profit, too. They were wrong in how they went about it. Icould probably make a profit by dumping toxic waste by your home, but it would be the wrong way to make money, you see?
    Right and wrong, count sir.

  • You would think that a republican troll, especially one that proclaims himself to be so important and successful, would have better places to find gay sex than a progressive/liberal blog that has not history of being used as a homosexual “meat market.”

  • Yeah, leave BDS alone. He apparently didn’t learn supply and demand until he was in the PhD program — most of us had to study it in high school — so he wasn’t, apparently, in the “gifted” program in school. He can’t understand or write simple English — and yet he thinks he’s amazingly smart.

    His CFO apparently didn’t explain to him that going on line and spouting right-wing talking points wouldn’t immediately convince everyone that he was an authority, and he’s apparently never heard that people tend to disbelieve what you say about yourself on the internet — I myself am 8 feet tall and have to shave four times a day, except for my forehead, yet people have difficulty believing it.

    And then there’s the anger management issue.

  • I get it – our lonely repug troll is just upset that he has to compete in the mclame trolling contest and that rudy gulliani is not the candidate. Just in case anyone needs a laugh, remember this buffoon:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ7-3M-YrdA

    No wonder our little gay friend needs a homosexual “pick me up”, but I wish his type of closet homosexual would keep this inside of the republican ranks.

  • charles, I am glad I am not the only one here with the shaving issue – having massive amounts of testosterone does have its advantages, but the hair thing can be a bit much sometimes.

  • One would think that a prerequisite for ANY degree in business would be the ability to spell the word “check.”

    Bank CHECK. (You don’t work in the financial industry).

    CHECKing assets against liabilities; debits against credits. (You’re not an accountant).

    CHECKout line. (You’re not a cashier at Wal-Mart or a bag-boy at the local grocer’s).

    The CHECK is in the mail. (You’re not employed in the debt-collection industry).

    CHECK out the shoes on that guy in the next stall! (You’re certainly not Larry Craig).

    Just out of curiosity, what manner of “business” are you in?

  • Dear fellow bloggers,

    I must log off. Tomorrow we have the Memorial Day Sale at all stores. I must apologize in advance for my disgusting “profit motivated” sale. We will sell a lot and remit (for democrats to redistibute) tax proceeds.

    I have yet to hear from any of you that you work in the “wealth generating” segment of society. I assume you are all parasites who live off the largess of the business community. Alas, it is a fact: liberals only want to tax and spend what others have earned.

    I’d love to join your “great debate” later. However, (despite my CFO’s urgance), I don’t have time for your “false intellectual debates”. God help us.

  • Bye, BDS
    Hey, next time, instead of hurling insults, name calling, and such, we can actually talk policy.
    I enjoyed your visit, thouogh.
    And remember, those roads you (and your customers) drive on are part of that “redistributed wealth.”
    We liberals just believe in paying for things, rather than letting our kids & grandkids do that.

  • Bye BDS.

    Oh, and yeah, after we take over, we WILL raise your taxes, by a LOT.

    It will be so much fun. I can’t wait.

    You are seriously under taxed. But, don’t worry, that problem will be fixed in half a year or so.

  • Oh BDS – you disappoint me, though your lack of a well reasoned response is entirely par for the course. I am sure John is very proud tonight.

    It’s only 6:26 Portland time and you are logging off already – it must be a really important sale unless you have an early morning flight to “Yeman” sic.

    Have fun storming the castle!

  • Back to the original topic.

    Obama is doing a fantastic job at taking on the Republicans on their turf.

    One of the things I hated about past Democratic presidential candidates is that they would practically surrender on these types of issues and try to change subject to something they polled better in.

    This surrender approach on foreign policy and other issues that the Democrats thought were Republican issues has caused the Democratic Party to lose every presidential election since 1980, with only a pause by the DLC Democratic – Republican triangulating Clinton administration.

    It’s about time that has changed.

  • I am so impressed by Obama, This guy has guts. John McCain thinks just because he’s a veteran, that he can take our votes for granted. He is from a family of elitist officers. They don’t care about the enlisted. Enlisted members of the military are treated just like other working-class people. Vets continue to vote Republicans. I am a vet married to an Iraq war vet and his GI bill only covers a small fraction of college costs. I am so glad tha Obama and Webb decided do do the right thing. McCain only cares for those in his income bracket. He will pay come November. Oh and just in case BS, I’m mean BDS comes back, look on Obama’s website. He shows exactly how everything will be paid for. Yes “your” taxes will go up. My husband and I own business. Our taxes may go up too. We feel it is worth it for the greater good of all Americans. That is true patriotism. Making a sacrifice for the greater good of your country.

  • Voting to privatize is not “voting against” government services. Privitization can improve government services by introducing competition and accountability, and by making and end run around government-worker unions who try to get rich at the expense of the treasury and to the detriment of the people being served.

    Yes, having no-bid contracts is bad. There should be bidding and competition. No-bid is an abuse of the privitization idea. However, they do not invalidate the idea. After all, in non-privatized, complete govenrment monopoly services, there are no bids either.

  • Hillary didn’t serve, nor did Bill for that matter, so what makes her Commander in Chief potential? Or is that too sexist?

  • Wow, it’s been twelve hours since bds left & you can still smell his fear-pee-stained pants.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • If it’s a ray of hope, 90% of the MI BN soldiers I work with are Obama supporters. None of them want to spend a third (and in some cases fourth) tour in Iraq, so they won’t vote for McCain, and Hillary is universally loathed among them. They are furious that McCain couldn’t even be bothered to show up to vote. These guys are deployed so much they don’t have time to go to college while on active duty and take advantage of tuition assistance. They’ll be dependent on the GI Bill for school when they get out. Those that want to go officer don’t have a chance since you need a degree to get commissioned, and OOPS! If you’re too busy being shot at to attend school, that commission is just not going to happen.

    The soldiers are not stupid; they realize that this breed of Republicans wants to keep them enlisted, uneducated, with no prospects of a life other than that of a dumb, mid-level NCO grunt who spends half his career getting shot at/blown up while his wife and kids wait at home, and the other half trying to care for young troops who have brain injuries or psychological problems from the mess they’re enduring in that godforsaken sandpit. They are getting informed, and more of more of them are voicing support for Obama every day.

  • Apparently,
    The GOP affiliates Veterans with bravado, glory, and a sense of patriotism or pride. Until such time has arrived, wherein one must take a “stand” for Veteran’s benefits, helping them to make a better life for themselves after service. During this Memorial day moment, the GOP decided to continue the “out source” of College tuition costs to Bank loans “off shore” at higher interest rates for our veterans. This is not surprising. One must remember what the GOP truly stands for; and not what they claim to represent…COPORATE PROFIT. Why should any one be surprised? The middle class has financed this war; while the upper class has been receiving tax cuts, as the Coporate structure has profited from Iraq. All else takes a “back seat”. Unfortunately, it is the basis of this entire Iraq war, where our Veteran’s have served brilliantly and bravely.
    Tony P.
    1st Infantry Vet.
    US Army

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