Obama, small towns, and ‘molehill politics’

Yesterday afternoon, we had some company over to the house, and I excused myself briefly to do a quick post about the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s comments on the frustrations people feel in small towns hit hard economically in recent decades.

When I rejoined the folks in my living room, who hadn’t heard the news and had no idea there was a controversy, I went ahead and read them this quote, without telling them who said it, when, or why.

“[T]he truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

One person who was in the room is religious, and another lives in a town of 10,000 people. When I explained that the quote I’d read had become the single biggest political issue of the day, they thought I was kidding. When I said the comments came from Barack Obama, and that many seriously believe that the quote could undermine Obama’s chances of becoming president, they looked at me as if I were from another planet.

Days before the controversy broke, Elizabeth Drew presciently noted the significance this year of “molehill politics,” which she described as “making a very big deal in the press about something that’s a very small deal.” Drew argued that the Clinton campaign has mastered molehill politics, “pounc[ing] on whatever opportunity presents itself to attack Obama, and try to knock him off his own message, and his stride.”

I can’t help but feel like this “bitter” flap is playing molehill politics to the extreme.

I’ve seen several comparisons between this flap and the controversy surrounding his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. I think that’s probably the wrong analogy. This story reminds me far more of the “party of ideas” flap from January.

Remember that one? Obama gave an interview with a Nevada newspaper in which he said Reagan and JFK, during their respective eras, put the nation on a “fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.” He added, “The Republican approach I think has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies, when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we’ve done that, we’ve tried it.”

Obama’s critics pounced, saying he preferred Republican ideas to Democratic ideas, and had an affinity for Reagan’s conservative worldview. Bill Clinton announced at one rally, “[Hillary’s] principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas. I’m not making this up, folks.”

The “controversy” hung around for a few days, but it was based on transparent intellectual dishonesty. Everyone knew what Obama said and meant, but by distorting the comments, and adding a few words that Obama never uttered, his detractors manufactured a controversy, ascribing beliefs to the senator that he didn’t embrace.

I feel like something similar is happening here. In the hopes of making Obama unelectable, Clinton and Republicans insist that he must hate working families and small towns. We’ve reached the very odd point at which the Clinton campaign is distributing talking points from Grover Norquist and Ed Rollins.

I sometimes feel like I’m watching some kind of bizarro presidential campaign. This is one of those instances.

As for the coverage of the story, which is extraordinary, I found Ezra’s take especially compelling.

All the older reporters tell me that this is supposedly the greatest campaign of my lifetime and the thing that makes political journalism worthwhile, but seriously, look where we are today: Discussing an off-the-cuff comment in which one of the Democrats suggested that economic anxiety manifests in cultural conservatism. This is not a new idea. And in most forms, it isn’t even a particularly objectionable one.

It’s worth saying that I’m not defending Obama here. I see nothing that he needs defense from. There’s no actual attack being levied that anyone can rebut, or ideas being tossed out that anyone can argue. Instead, Obama has said something Politically Damaging. And it will Damage him. And we’ll all watch to see how badly.

But let’s be clear: It’s not damaging because we think it foretells him doing something harmful to the country. It’s not damaging because it suggests his policy agenda is poorly conceived, or his priorities are awry…. We reporters have to cover it, of course, because it’s Really Important, and matters more than the housing plans of all the candidates put together. But it matters in a completely self-referential way, it matters only because it matters, not because it means anything about Obama, or illuminates anything about his potential presidency. It’s a hollow scandal…. And this is why I don’t like writing about the campaign. It’s full of hollow scandals and ignored travesties. But you have to cover the hollow scandals, because they’re are blown up until they’re definitional in the campaign. And that leaves me writing about high-profile non-events in a way that helps cement their importance, even if I’m writing to deride their legitimacy.

And the Washington Post (“‘Bitter’ Is a Hard Pill For Obama to Swallow)
and New York Times (“Obama, Now on the Defensive, Calls ‘Bitter’ Words Ill-Chosen”), at least, are playing right along with the Clinton/McCain campaigns on this.

  • Speaking of mole hill politics, On Meet the Press this AM, they are talking about arugula and Belgian endives. At least we’re past OJ and tabasco sauce on gumbo. Meanwhile, Hillary is doing beershots on CNN. Maybe that’s why she thinks Pennsylvanians are “proud” after losing jobs to outsourcing. Toga! Toga! Toga!

  • This is the most poignant argument against the extended nomination campaign. The candidates, the press, the factions of supporters…everyone’s running around like a fart in a jar.

    As an aside, not that long ago, Clinton was making fun of Obama for hope and optimism; today she’s talking about all the hope and optimism she sees in the Midwest…she and i are, apparently, traveling in much different Midwestern circles.

  • Sound analysis, Steve.

    And this is, as you and others have noted elsewhere, an unavoidable result of this primary season dragging on long after its result has been determined. The Reagan flap happened early in the process, but most of the things we’re talking about are a direct consequence of spending too much time (and right now, too much time between primaries) on a Dem-Dem race when we should be focusing on McCain.

    Because I think that not to do so will unnecessarily fan flames and make it harder to come together afterward, I believe the party and the superdelegates are doing the right thing by waiting until the last primary is concluded to shut this down. But make no mistake–this is a price we pay for that approach. This stuff is happening because Clinton has no options now but joining with Republicans to attack not the message but the messenger, hoping to make him unelectable. Watching her do this is something like sitting by watching someone else’s child have a temper tantrum, disgusted that this is allowed to go on but powerless to intervene.

  • At what point, considering the lock step between Clinton, McCain and the NRCC, does Hillary starting being called, “Hillary Lieberman”?

  • Chuck, I prefer to call her “shillary” because, just like LIEberman, she is a cheap shill for the same interests.

    America does not need 28 years of bush-clinton-bush-clinton.

  • It seems almost by design, we have issues in this country that some don’t want to talk about except in the most guarded terms, because on inch this way or the other, one wrong word can be take as offense by your political enemy, or by an illiterate press, and they are illiterate, unable to understand meaning that is spread across more than a single sentence.

    So the molehills are all they have, they cling to their molehills while the rest of America clings to reality.

    Along comes Obama and sets off the molehill clinging class. And what happens? Well, due to the nature of this class, the reality clinging class gets to witness a real show. It is almost as if this reality class is some person in need of rescue and the molehill class is fighting to see who can help them out.

    But one thing is for sure, once the reality class figures out what the hell the molehills are arguing about, what is shown more is the total bankruptcy of the molehill class to understand the situation.

    But this who is there to explain it to them? Obama.

    They manufactured the Wright controversy and made religion and issue. Obama won. Now they are doing the same thing with guns, god and rural culture. But rural culture is really American culture. It is a culture which gets tired of words, of ten point plans, of talk, of intellectual reasoning. Yes, men have their guns, their hobbies, their sports (how could Obama leave out sports, like football in Texas). And our communities have their churches, their clubs, where we come together to find common purpose, because we don’t find it in politics.

    But what would the pundits, with their Sunday morning debates, or politicians, with their continuous need to push to the center of attention and divide the crowd, what would they know about any of this, except that it distracts from their beautiful molehill?

  • Obama is truly the change candidate, and many times the resistance to change manifests at first as a low grumbling; and then when change is being embraced by more and more the low grumbling begins to turn upward in pitch until it is screeming as irritatingly as it can to stop the change a coming. We are witnessing the Clinton/GOP screem machine in full throttle.

    Clinton/GOP politics are being threatened by Obama’s candidacy. They are pushing back with the continuing viciousness they know. I’ve always believed Bill Clinton was for all practicality the best Republican president of the late 20th century. Clinton/GOP politics hold up the same mirror each news cycle.

    It is becoming apparent the only Democratic candidate still in the race is Barack Obama. A Democrat works to bring to mind the dire conditions facing common Americans. Ask Mariam Wright about Bobby Kennedy’s visit to the rural South – was he just an elitist, or was he operating out of the same concerns Obama has now shown in his own candidacy?

    Our beloved freedom of the press is being wasted on morons bringing us sophistry instead of newsworthy information every news cycle. -Kevo

  • I think when all of the manufactured outrage dies down, what will be left is a small gaffe that may hurt Obama a little. It is not the substance — even a fading Clinton supporter like me agrees with the content of what Obama said.

    The problem, I think, is that even when people are bitter, they dont often like to be called on it by others. Some outside comes strolling into town pointing out how bitter everyone is — and lets face it, “bitter” is a negative owrd, no one wants to be a bitter person — I think that creates some defensiveness and backlash even if it is true.

    And that, not the substance, is the real gaffe in what Obama said. Sure there are some people at his rallies who aren’t physically attractive, but he wouldn’t get many votes saying “man, some of you small town people are ugly!” So many of them, being told they are bitter will sound much the same. It just wasn’t politically wise.

  • Excellent commentary, Carpetbagger. Obama’s sociological analysis of conditions in small town America was excellent as well. I say that as one who grew up in a central California cow town (literally), half-way between Los Angeles and San Francisco, the nearest big city being Fresno, 112 miles. I also say it an emertius professor of Sociology whose life’s research addressed areas of low population density in this and many other nations.

    This sentence in particular caught my attention: “… the Clinton campaign is distributing talking points from Grover Norquist and Ed Rollins.” This takes the “mole” in “molehill” into a whole different ballpark, the “camouflaged enemy agent”. Hillary isn’t a Democrat, she’s a disgrace. I used to think she was simply dominated by super-egomaniac Bill (whose DADT and NAFTA decisions still disgust me), but she’s more obviously obsessed by her lust for power. It’s “Damn the Democrats and full speed ahead” for her.

  • We’ve reached the very odd point at which the Clinton campaign is distributing talking points from Grover Norquist and Ed Rollins.

    I commented on what this means late last night, so I’ll say it again here where it might get read:

    When an opponent’s “OODA Loop” has been thoroughly penetrated, when they can no longer focus their actions and are merely reacting – like the boxer who’s been beaten so hard he can’t see through the blood pouring in his eyes but still stands – if they continue in this state, they end of losing all “moral authority” to power and leadership.

    I think we can now see that the Empress has hit that spot. A candidate for a nomination in the Democratic Party doesn’t wage this kind of campaign. Before they are Democrats, the Clintons are Clintons – shallow, self-involved, believing in their self-entitlement to whatever it is they want.

    What they are is pitiful.

    And she’s going to get her clock cleaned tonight.

  • Hillary’s response beyond calling Obama an elitist was to brag about hunting ducks as a kid, then drinking whisky (IIRC) and having beer and pizza with the locals. Does she not forget the reaction Kerry got to his goose hunt? And I doubt any will regard her as an average “Jill” just for drinking with the locals.

  • Well written Mr. Steve Benen….
    This post ought to get backtracked quite a bit. But I suspect it won’t because manufacturing outrage is more fun than damping it down. Food fights are fun. Obviously big media and their blogs own the feeding huts atop monkey mountain

    Of course we have been here before: A great weekend post by Benen disappears in the E-ether.
    And then a few days later pundits start to see a similar truth and publish something akin. But by then we will be on to hurling our feces at the next big rage…

    The good news is that the cycle is finite. Each event diminishes the ability of various individuals receptors to respond. Neurons do get exhausted. It is the law of diminishing returns. Clinton is like the heart cut out of the frog. It still beats… but it is non-sustainable. The end result will be her death to the body politic. She is fast becoming the Phyllis Diller of politics. Madder music and stronger wine ultimately end in an exhausted self-parody that is the plight of a defunct clown…

    [insert quintuple yawns and sighs here]

  • When I watch the talking heads on TV, it seems like I’m watching a different world. There’s this obsession with the horse race and “scandals” rather than issues – like the war, economy, Peak Oil and resource depletion, worldwide food shortages, environmental destruction, climate change, the sea of plastic waste in the Pacific, pharmaceuticals in the water supply, the mass extinction of species, the effect of genetically modified foods, etc. No, they’d rather talk about some stupid thing a candidate said.

  • “Molehill politics” is a crucial part of the “Big Lie” politics practiced by BushCo. Their criminality is so enormous that there’s nothing on the Democratic side to touch it — ie. compare Bush’s botch of a three trillion dollar war and its attendant death and destruction with Clinton’s blow job. People in the reality-based world know there’s no comparison, but the wingnuts must convince themselves that the Democrats are as bad or worse than they are and thus molehills must be made into mountains. What is, of course, appalling is that the Clintons are using this tactic exactly as it was used against them. Don’t they realize that the vast majority of Americans are sick of this and see it for the mendacity it is? Don’t they realize that one reason Obama’s winning is because he doesn’t do this?

  • I just keep reminding myself that those of us who follow stuff like this obsessively are in a very tiny minority.

    Most people won’t hear or see more than a headline or two and won’t really even process it. If it lasts long enough, then it finally sinks in, in some weird form.

    What’s most important was that he responded quickly enough to get his responses tacked on to their (McCain Clinton) attacks. It’s a neat little package that way, already processed.

  • No, I think you’re wrong. The word that makes it offensive is the word “cling.” They have a gun culture there, and to claim that the reason for it is that they are “clinging” to the guns has all sorts of awful overtones. Ditto for “clinging” to religion. Their religion is not something they “cling” to, but is an integral part of their life.

    Do Democrats “cling” to their pro-gay stance?

    Now, if Obama had said something like “retreat into defending”, it would have made more sense. I can see the bitterness making folks retreat into defending god and guns instead of dealing with the real issues like joblessness, but to say that they “cling” is denigration at its finest.

    And this is why these folks say Democrats (and Obama) are elitist.

  • Obama needs to pivot on this and show how Clinton and McCain’s comments are exactly the type of “old politics” he is campaigning against. That cynical politicians take issues like religion, race, guns and immigration and exploit them to divide us for their own political gain. And of course, when we are arguing over hot button issues nothing that actually improves our lives ever gets accomplished.

    Yeah, I’m bitter over this shell game. Aren’t you?

  • Why should Obama have to apologize for expressing such an astute and perceptive observation of how people who feel shortchanged by society react to the conditions that have befallen them? Instead of being bombarded with derision for what he pointed out, Obama should be lauded for having exhibited the incisive kind of intellect this nation so sorely needs in its next president. I say: “Bravo, Barack!”

  • The letter I’m thinking of sending to the Clinton campaign:
    “First Rupert Murdoch does a fundraiser for Hillary, then Bill goes on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show and Hillary sits down with Richard Mellon Scaife seeking an endorsement, now you’re approvingly sending out quotes from Grover Norquist? What the fuck is wrong with you people? When did GROVER NORQUIST become creditable on anything? I guess it must be time to reopen the investigation into why Hillary killed Vince Foster. Grover tells me it was because they were lovers, or because he knew she was a lesbian, or some other nonsense. I lose track, I guess I should go back and see what that great font of quotability Grover Norquist has said on the subject. Or maybe you could just stop fucking quoting him in your campaign emails. I kind of prefer that second option.”

    Not that they will care, they are way too far gone to even notice the path they’re on.

  • Steve–

    Thanks for the link to the Drew ‘molehill’ article, she was (as usual) interesting, well-reasoned and prescient in going over a lot of ground we all know quite well. I agree that this episode bears close resemblance to the ‘Reagan’s ideas’ kerfuffle and has the same underlying transparent intellectual dishonesty. Let’s check the delegate counts and opinion polls in a couple of weeks and see if this latest molehill might have made any difference.

    One prominent theme in Drew’s essay is how the Clintons’ campaign tactics may give a clue to what her governing style might be as president, and here again I agree with Drew: a ‘kitchen sink’ and/or ‘molehill’ president would likely turn out to be nearly as bad a disaster as Bush II. Senator Clinton is like the little boy in the fable of ‘The Boy Who Cried Wolf’ with her continuing alarms which turn out to be false– sooner or later her credibility drops to a point where her initiatives all fail because no one trust her. It will be interesting to see how she looks to the general electorate after another four months of this drip-drip water torture to the body politic.

  • It’s just words, right?

    An issue doesn’t make much sense when it isn’t something you care about or that affects you. That doesn’t mean it isn’t important to others.

    The response to this has been to make it all about Hillary. If Clinton is trying to show that all Democrats are not as elitist as Obama, so what? Do you expect her to be defending Obama? Ridiculing her for duck hunting is almost as stupid as ridiculing duck hunting itself.

  • “I can’t help but feel like this “bitter” flap is playing molehill politics to the extreme.”

    i can’t agree more. and i am so f**king sick of this s**t that i could scream.

    my partner and i are headed for a vacation in costa rica on wednesday. we’re going to look for a place to move to while we’re there. that’s cause we may need it come november.

  • The problem with Hillary and Bill is that they are NOT AUTHENTIC. You could even read it from Hillary’s facial expression. She is too FAKE. However, it is becoming clearer to me that DECEPTION is what you need to win an election in America, and these goes all the way to define who Americans really are: GULLIBLE, if not how can Clinton still be in the race to be the leader of the “MOST GULLIBLE country in the World”
    In the case of Obama, he is too AUTHENTIC for America politics. Good for him, he is being schooled on how in America, politician should not speak the TRUTH. Here, you can’t just continue to be honest with your words and expect to win votes. The way to do politics in America is to tell the people what they want to hear, even if it is not the TRUTH. Drink whiskey where voters love to drink whiskey, claim you are an avid hunter where people like hunting even if you have never shoot a catapult. Obama if you want to win an election in America, GO AND LEARN HOW TO TELL LIES!

  • I have to say that I was disgusted to hear that NPR was carrying the story of this “controversy” this morning as I was waking up. Sorry, all you guys doing the spring pledge breaks, herd journalizm like that’s NOT the way to earn money from me. It reminds me of the quip that NPR stands for Nice Polite Republicans.

    I’m embarrassed that Senator Clinton is so desperate to win that she’s playing the molehill game, instead of trying to take the lead by convincing us she has the vision and forthrightness we are so thirsty for after years of Bush lies. Talk about demeaning! She’s demeaning herself by behaving this way.

  • I just woke up and started watching msnbc and what do you imagine was the first thing I saw…this mess. And then they went on to show Hillary at some event last night where the audience was wearing “WE’RE NOT BITTER” stickers. Does this remind anyone of anything? Purple hearts band-aids, anyone? This was a disgusting rethug tactic. Does anyone remember what happened to Kerry when the rethugs did this? For her campaign to use this type of tactic just points to what they really stand for and what lengths they are willing to go to to achieve it. This is why the supers need to speak up and help end this thing. This is so, disgusting (sorry to use that word again but I’m afraid of what I’d really say if I cut loose). This is why I’m not behind her at this time, the willingness to act like a rethug…HILLARY, RETHUG-LITE…(pardon the barf bag)…

  • Ahcuah–

    I disagree with you. The Clintons and the Republicans would still try to make hay out of it if he had said ‘retreat into defending,’ and would still try to paint Senator Obama as an ‘elitist.’ The Republicans’ use of the elitist canard has been a fundamental pillar in their right-wing populist ideology for decades, and sooner rather than later they would have simply found another quote for their false outrage. The issue has tremendous boomerang potential for Clinton and the Republicans as well– sending Senator Clinton out to pose while have beer and pizza with the guys in a working-class bar somewhere in rural Pennsylvania is bound to strike many as a silly & cynical campaign ploy.

    Re the specific term, I think you’re engaging in some grammatical hyperbole: e.g., people ‘cling’ to lots of things which are quite integral to their lives. I cling to my career, my interests, my family, etc. Granted, you can make it into a denigrating word easily, but I think at bottom people will do that when they already have a prejudiced notion of how they think about Obama in the end. For his detractors it’s just more fodder for their confirmation bias, and if it wasn’t ‘cling’ then in a few days Clinton and McCain would find another verbal transcript to furnish their narrative of Obama’s evil character and motives.

    I grew up in and around ‘gun culture’ and there’s nothing holy about it, or even politically untouchable. Many of the people who actually use firearms in their professional roles (police, professional hunters) know better and are extremely hostile to the political exploitation of firearms by the NRA and the Republicans, and I think calling them on some of the NRA and Republican positions isn’t a bad thing. If McCain and the Clinton’s want to run on ‘cop-killer’ ammunition and making machine guns broadly available throughout the country, they can be my guest. I they want to make it an issue, I think Obama should frame the issue as to why Clinton and McCain believe it’s more important to vote for president based on manufactured gun outrage than on many other issues. As I wrote above, I think in the end Barack Obama using the word ‘cling’ will not make a significant difference in the election.

  • When I had first heard there was a controversial comment by Obama that could really hurt him in PA, I stopped everything I was doing and listened. I couldn’t believe it – what was the big deal?? It is now Sunday and I am STILL hearing on CNN that this could hurt him; Obama is an elitist who doesn’t get the working people! I DON’T GET IT!! People hurt by bad economic times again and again are bitter!! People who get screwed by the system are bitter! What is so controversial about this?? Obama an elitist? Why-because he doesn’t BOWL? This is the man who gave up a very lucrative career after being President of the Harvard Law Review to become a community organizer in Chicago!
    Please let us concentrate on his economic plans, his plans to get us out of this illegal war. PLEASE PENNSLVANIA, VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!

  • Mary–

    Clinton’s the one who is making an issue about Obama’s words and making a character attack against him, posing as a great, lifelong friend of the working class. Why do you think she should be above criticism for choosing this as an issue or making a personal attack? Is it because you won’t tolerate any criticism of Senator Clinton?

    As I wrote before, please define for us what you mean by ‘elitist’ and we will debate the bona fides of Senators Clinton and Obama as whether their character, history, behavior and policy positions, etc. make ‘elitist’ an accurate term to describe either one of them.

  • (sigh)

    The MSM is seriously getting worse by the day, they just can’t seem to help themselves the longer this goes on. Overall I agree that this is yet another manufactured controversy about Obama– although his mistake was referring to the “god and guns (and gays)” strategy of the GOP so obliquely. If he had just left that part out it would have been a great way to get people to talk about the decline of small town AND middle class America.

    While I think it’s true that the very people he’s talking about don’t like outsiders pointing out that they are bitter, I also think it means he’s showing that he’s listening, paying attention, and actually might “get” what is going on in small, declining PA towns.

    On top of that, Hillary’s response was to act offended and say that people are full of “hope” and not bitterness was surreal. Wasn’t it just last month that she said people aren’t full of “hope”? She changes what she “believes” with the wind.

    As a former Hillary supporter, I get more and more disgusted with her every day– she is living up to nearly every negative stereotype sold by the VRWC. At this point she seems to be cribbing from their playbook. It’s nauseating as well as myopic. How does she not realize that IF she were to get the nomination that she’s turning off so many people who might have been happy to support her???

  • The far left is clueless, not seeing why this is a major gaff. But it’s consistent with the rest of Obama’s speach, none of which has a snowball’s chance. Converting the red Sates, campaign finance reform, dictator parties? The unity condidate, while bringing smear tactics into the party and letting his supporters throw mud like the Mississippi on meth. A new generation of leaders who took Clinton policies on healthcare, fiscal restarint, and bipartisanship; and for the rest just recite the liberal wish list. The change candidate, although he hasn’t made any and was given credit for bills others wrote. Taking the high road, while his supporters replace policy debate and adult conversation with empty smears and name calling. But it all goes over with the deep voice, sing song delivery, and shallow rhetoric.
    The Clintons specialize in real change, and they have a spectacular governing record a mile long.
    But who cares about that? Policy specifics and achievement are a boor. Obama makes a good speach. He’s Lincoln! That’s a new suit he’s wearing. He’s Mr. Agent of Change! And he showers daily. He’s Posiedon, Lord of the Deep!

  • Actually, what will be left after the talking heads get done explaining to everybody how they should react to Obama’s remarks is the perception that he’s a highly intelligent and thoughtful person.

    Given that everybody with half a brain is deathly tired of having the idiots and ideologues running this country, I cannot imagine how this will hurt him among the Democrats (and the more intelligent independents), who aren’t afraid of having someone with smarts in charge.

    Among those who are afraid of anyone smarter than themselves (the nincompoops who are the “base” of the GOP) this will hurt him. Big deal.

    Although the collective intellect of this country isn’t as high as it could be, it is far from as low as those who imagine this will hurt him would like.

    How Hillary (Yale-educated, like the last 3 presidents, and whose political career reeks of nepotism) and McCain (from a family of high-ranking officers) can make charges of “elitism” stick is beyond me, and I would think it would be beyond almost everybody.

  • There’s a saying, in Polish: jak trwoga, to do Boga (when it’s fear, [reach] for God). It’s the equivalent of the English “there are no atheists in a foxhole”. The fact that such sentiments have become cliches in such diverse languages and cultures, testifies to the sentiment’s truth and universality.

    And as for the guns mania… Anyone remember the Beatles’ “Happiness is a warm gun; yes it is”? When life makes you feel small, you compensate. Maybe you’ll drink, so you can forget. Maybe you’ll beat your wife and children, to make you feel strong. Or, maybe, you’ll hold onto your gun with all your might, because it makes you feel powerful.

    Of course nobody likes to talk about it, nobody really likes to be reminded of their powerlessness. But Obama has been telling people the unpalatable truths from the start; he doesn’t shy away from them and he tells us things that need to be told, That’s what makes him different from your dime-a-dozen politician, who only tells you what you want to hear; that’s his appeal (at least to me).

  • My contempt for the Clinton candidacy grows by the day. To say that it is “inauthentic” understates the case by orders of magnitude.

    For Democrats, it would be worthwhile for us to ask ourselves: Why are the Republicans working so hard right now to torpedo Obama’s chances? Surely, if he were as poor a candidate as Mary Matlin said this morning on MTP, they’d be chomping at the bit to run against him. Instead, they’re doing everything they can to undermine his chances for the nomination.

    Both Hillary and the Republicans want her to be the Democratic candidate in the fall. Shouldn’t that tell us something?

  • Seems to me that the Obama campaign started the “Molehill Politics” trend for this primary by parsing Bill Clinton’s comments after the S.C. primary and declaring him racist. It’s been downhill on the molehill slide since then. Obama got caught this weekend. Guess what? It ain’t gonna stop. The Children of Obama love “Molehill Politics” when it’s directed at the Clintons. Hell, they promote it. Read the comments on this site. One bullshit charge against the Clintons after another. There’s lots of whining when the shoe’s on the other foot.

  • The Clintons specialize in real change, and they have a spectacular governing record a mile long.

    I didn’t realize that they are functioning as one person or that she had promised that he’ll be her VP. It doesn’t make her seem stronger if she is made out to be a two-for-one candidate. It implies that if Bill dissappeared tomorrow that she’d be a far weaker candidate because she somehow relies on using his experience as her own.

    Hillary DOES NOT have a governing record a mile long. Hillary might be older and has been closer to people with a lot of power for longer than Obama, but at the end of the day he actually has a lot more years of experience as an elected representative than she.

    I was a Hillary supporter at one time. But once she started mixing up Bill’s record with her own and started courting the architects of the VRWC for support, she lost me. However, if she somehow pulls this out and gets the nomination I will go into the voting booth with a gas mask on and vote for her over McCain– only because I think McCain is daydreaming about attacking Iran.

    I think Obama is a better candidate than Hillary, has run a better campaign in both message and actual mechanics, and has a shot at bringing people in that Hillary cannot bring in.

  • Andrew Sullivan called this one: it’s a classic manifestation of the Carville/Rove politics the Clintons and Bushes have utilized for 20 years.

    Notice that neither the Clintons nor McCain’s campaign–nor any of the VRWC types who are now the BFFs of the Empress and Her Court–tackle the substance of Obama’s criticism: that these communities have been screwed so hard by economic developments over the last 30 years, and left so bereft by the political responses of the Ruling Families that embrace and accelerate those changes, that they have chosen other issues to vote upon.

    What he said–albeit not as artfully as he might have–is absolutely true, and it’s very important. But the two Beltway campaigns don’t dare talk about the facts and the policies, so they seize upon the words and the theatrics.

    Like Sullivan, I’m hopeful that the electorate is sufficiently engaged this year to say, as Obama put it regarding the last Outrage Outbreak around Wright, “Not this time.” But old, bad habits are hard to break.

    Jen wrote at 17:

    I just keep reminding myself that those of us who follow stuff like this obsessively are in a very tiny minority.

    Most people won’t hear or see more than a headline or two and won’t really even process it. If it lasts long enough, then it finally sinks in, in some weird form.

    What’s most important was that he responded quickly enough to get his responses tacked on to their (McCain Clinton) attacks. It’s a neat little package that way, already processed.

    I hope this is true too. But the Clintons, appealing as always to low-information voters, aren’t counting on listeners’ reasoned responses to what was really said–just the simplistic coverage of the 24-hour news cycle and the well-paid agents of outrage on Fox and the other networks. Oversimplification, distraction and dishonesty are their core competencies.

  • BILL CLINTON & HILLARY CLINTON…

    AGAINST ARAB NATIONS DOUBLE TALK…BULL SPIT !!

    BILL CLINTON HAS A UNITED ARAB EMIRATES BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP AND THE DUBAI PORTS DEAL..

    YOU & THE LOW LIFE MEDIA HAS YET TO EXPLOIT IT..YET

    SAUDI ARABIAN & UNITED ARAB EMIRATES COUNTRY MEN PILOTED THE (911 PLANES) THAT KILLED MANY U.S. CITIZENS !!

    IT IS BILL CLINTON THAT RECIEVES (MILLIONS) FROM THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYALS, TO THE TUNE OF (10 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR)

    PLUS THE MULTIPLE ARAB NATIONS & REPUBLICS THAT DONATE MILLIONS TO BILL CLINTONS LIBRARY, THAT SO FAR HAS GARNERED (500 MILLION DOLLARS)

    COUNT ALSO BILL CLINTONS (DUBAI PORTS DEAL) AND DUBAI BUSINESS DEALINGS (UNITED ARAB EMIRATES), THAT ALLOW THE CLINTONS, THEIR ELITIST TAX SHELTER IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS !!

    A BUSINESS DEAL THAT BILL PROMISES WITH A STIPULATION, THAT HE WILL DISSOLVE IT, ONLY (IF) HILLARY CLINTON WINS THE PRESIDENCY (IF) SHE DOES !!

    MEANING: IF CLINTON LOSES THE RACE, BILL WILL NOT DISSOLVE THE DUBAI BUSINESS DEAL !!

    HAD THIS BEEN A MAN OF COLOR LIKE BARACK OBAMA, HIS A!! WOULD NOT BE IN THIS COUNTRY, MORE OVER BEING IN THE HUNT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE…

    BY THE WAY..THE BUSH & CLINTONS ARE NOW FAMILY FRIENDS AND OFTEN VACATION TOGETHER.

    CAPITALIST FIRST…

    POLITICIANS OUT OF CONVENIENCE..

    YOU POLITICAL PARTY…SUCKERS

    THE JOKES ON YOU !!

  • o.-

    Don’t you think it’s a little early in the day to be drunk and screaming at the top of your lungs in a room full of strangers?

  • It’s probably been said here before: Every day in every way Hillary gets more like Gollum.

    A shame, really, watching her become so thoroughly consumed by her futile quest.

  • I heard Sh*thead Hannity going on and on about this yesterday. His spiel was unbelievable to anyone who doesn’t watch and believe Faux News like it’s spouting the gospel.

    He was saying that Obama is criticizing small town people and their ways- and that he wasn’t just criticizing them but he was picking on the little guy, the every day guy- the firefighters, the police, the factory worker-

    It doesn’t take long for stupid rumors to spread and next thing you know someone who watches Faux News will be spouting this line to all their friends hook line and sinker- bullshit like, “You know, Sean Hannity said that Obama doesn’t respect small town America and he hates police and firefighters and factory workers.”

    And they won’t be saying it because they believe it’s true. They’ll be saying it because it will assuage their conscience in not voting for the candidate who is actually the best one running because of his skin color.

    It’s the race game and bad politics all rolled up into one and it sinks. Next thing you know Obama will talk about how much he loves America and they will spin it so that he and his wife are anti-American Muslims.

    Oh, wait…

  • All this is prophylactic fire, all sound and fury and no result.

    Why is this a big shock to McCain and Clinton? I can see it when I cross the Canadian US border at Niagara Falls. On one side, I see a small brightly lit tourist area in a crumbling, but still alive community and gloom and disrepair as I cross over to the Niagara Falls NY and into Buffalo. I can feel it when I look around and walk the streets–I can understand why people would do drugs and wave guns around, I would if I had no options. There is no vitality, just a quiet desperation of hanging on (I’m not saying that Canada doesn’t have their share of communities like that (lived in one for ten years), but there is still some sort of optimism or life.)

    Both Hils and McCain seem to be disconnected from real life which isn’t hard for McCain, the privileged son of an admiral and Hils who has been walking the corridors of the connected powerful for many of her 35 years of “experience.”

    If you can’t face up to the difficult realities that your nation is facing then how the fuck can you be a leader? It’s the first important step. Seems Hilsbot and McCain would rather keep their heads in the sand pretend that everything is wonderful in America. The thing that people who bury their heads in the sand should realize is that it leaves them in a wonderful position to be kicked in the ass real hard.

    I don’t see why the hell he should apologize.

  • I live in a small town of less then 6k that used to be bigger but has shrunk greatly due to most of the canning related factories closing their doors. MY grandparents are bitter. My sister is bitter. I’m bitter. Even my mom who moved to Texas to live in a larger town is still bitter. Barrack is simply telling the truth and the people in power just can’t handle it (gotta keep the peasants in their place ya know)..

  • Mary #23: “If Clinton is trying to show that all Democrats are not as elitist as Obama, so what? Do you expect her to be defending Obama? Ridiculing her for duck hunting is almost as stupid as ridiculing duck hunting itself.”

    Defending Obama? How about not making a mountain out of a molehill and in the process helping McCain?

    Clinton is disingenuous when she calls Obama an “elitist”. She’s employing the classic Repub tactic of accusing the other side of something she herself is “guilty” of… depending on what your definition of “elitist” is. I’d say being worth $100 million, being a former first lady and current US Senator is pretty elitist by most American’s standards.

    Talking about shooting ducks as a kid (in this case, to counter Obama) to prove that guns/hunting are OK is pandering. Just like Kerry and the goose hunt or Dukakis in the tank. It will come back to bite her. I can already see a sketch on The Daily Show – Hillary and Cheney go hunting together, while drinking whiskey and beer.

  • The Other Ed said: “Obama needs to pivot on this and show how Clinton and McCain’s comments are exactly the type of “old politics” he is campaigning against. That cynical politicians take issues like religion, race, guns and immigration and exploit them to divide us for their own political gain.”

    As oppposed to fund raising in San Francisco and telling your would-be supporters the reason that Pennsylvania is not going your way is that they have been hit by bad economics caused by bad administrative policies and now they are bitter and cling to religion, racism, guns and anti-immigation?

    Senator Obama is different HOW?

  • @Ahcuah,

    Cling only means hold onto tightly, you’re arguing connotation when it was merely a case of choosing the word with a “negative conntoation”, if Obama had said they hold true to their religion their guns, people wouldn’t have anything to say, and yet it has the same meaning

  • I didn’t realize that they [the Clintons] are functioning as one person — zoe from pittsburgh, @37

    I didn’t know that, either. But now that we’ve been enlightened… *Which* one do you figure they/it are:
    a) Janus (a two-faced Roman god), or
    b) Pushmi-pullyou (a two headed ass, with one head at either end)?

    Hannah, @46
    The gentle first lady is now refusing to say when she fired a gun last (see TPM Election Central). Perhaps she’s afraid of misremembering again? But I can’t help but wonder…Could it have been in Tuzla, returning the sniper fire?

  • Much as I scolded Obama on this blog for pushing back on the “most liberal Senator” story without defending the word “liberal,” my big problem with what Clinton is doing here is that she is playing to the modern day meme that we don’t want our leaders to come from the “elites” or that “elite” is a bad word. That is how we end up with Dumbya — a proud recipient of “we’ll call that D a C because your family is well connected” grades. Personally, I don’t want one of my drinking buddies to be President – I want someone a whole lot smarter (and less drunk) than they are. We face a lot of difficult issues – I’d like to think the person trying to handle them is someone pretty freakin’ elite.

    There is nothing wrong with being liberal, and nothing wrong with our leaders coming from among the “elite.” Ironically, being “elite” as President got its bad name from Bush the Father, who was totally imperial, out of touch and aloof. America didn’t seem to mind an elite President so much when it was Kennedy.

  • Will said: The Clintons specialize in real change, and they have a spectacular governing record a mile long.

    To which I will once again ask the question I have repeatedely asked of you Clinton morons, which you constantly ignore and deny:

    What “real change” did Billy bring, and what are three specific examples of their “spectacular governing record”???

    C’mon – you true believers should have these answeres tattooed on your frontal lobes, The Clintons are so wonderful, your problem should be listing only one example of each.

    Right????

  • Given that Hillary was born and raised in an upper-class family in an upper-class suburb of Chicago and went to the “Seven Sisters” when only the upper classes did that, who exactly is an “elitist”??????????????

  • Once again I have listened carefully to both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama, this time during the Faith and Compassion forum – and once again I have been struck by the fact that Hillary tends to prolong questions with long and rather meandering monologues, while Barack answers questions directly, honestly and with candor. He established a much better rapport with the audience, as witnessed by their frequent bursts of applause, and the audience was also able to ask him more questions as well. I am totally satisfied with his explanation involving “bitter Pennsylvanians” (I am a citizen of Pennslyvania and for most of my life lived modestly until I graduated from medical residency at the age of 46), and I very much look forward to voting for him at the April 22nd primary in Pennsylvania. He is a much needed and very refreshing change from “politics as usual”!!!!! I believe firmly that the media is attempting to unnaturally prolong the “bitter” controversy here (as witnessed by statements by some commentators after the forum).

  • This is a great post! I am tired of all of the molehill politics. I hate this campaign has dragged out way too long and distorted everything! No other country has a year long process to elect a President, and this is why!
    And Sen. Clinton should be ashamed of herself for running with half truths and mis quotes! As a registered Democrat I am embarassed by it.

  • Wahh, Clinton is horrible!’ …If you’d bothered to focus on the issues, maybe we wouldn’t be here.

    But apparently the only thing against Clinton in this sorry bunch is her name.

    Obama may be refreshing – but he’s never done anything different than Clinton. So he speaks clearly – he also has the least progressive solution on the table on every deal.

  • I know very little on how politics works because I have never been in it. But I can see the result of it when it is out there in the media. However, I know a little bit about the media and how journalism should work.
    When it comes to these sound bites and the media using it to get ratings, I see it as damaging but also as the laziness of the ‘journalists.’ I saw that with the Reverend issue. None, as far as I saw, went in depth to find out what the Reverend was talking about even for those each days or sessions. Since my knowledge of the Gospel Churches of the African Americans is very limited and from books and movies, I thought I will be able to understand why the Reverend said on those clips and why the members off the church were not disturbed by it. To my disappointment, (a repeat of their missing in action status before, during, and after the invasion of Iraq), the member of the media just bounced on what was on the YouTube clips.
    I would expect and have a right to ask more from those who were paid and given the responsibility of informing the public of the issues/happenings/truth/ and or reality of the day.

  • Pointing to Clinton’s successes is pretty easy – especially if you (as the previous poster did) lump Bill in with Hillary – so why would an Obama supporter deny it? Probably because they are a fair-weather Democrat who don’t actually know what good deeds Democrats have done, and just want to stir up trouble.

    I mean, because eight straight years of economic growth wasn’t good enough, or having fewer poor people or more people employed. Or even something like the campaign financing bill, which Bill Clinton signed into law.

    You could argue any Democrat could do that. You could. You could also say that Clinton was just like Bush. You could do that, too.

    But it wouldn’t be a Democratic argument.

  • I think the real problem here is not just Clinton’s distortion of Obama’s comments, The real problem is also that CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and all the others are SELLING this story as something of relevance, and they control WHAT you watch, what you read…and soon, who is your president.

    I was born in Cuba; there we had only 2 TV channels, No satellite, no CNN, etc, and they told lies every day, every minute but… they were the ONLY alternative. So, the ordinary folks hearing the same crap every day ended up believing a lot of it. It is that simple.

    The same is happening here. We have 1200 TV channels, but it is curious how they are ALL distributing the same garbage. Now, you may ask yourself: Are the Americans stupid? NO, everybody knows Clinton is losing ground on PA. She NEEDED desperately some kind of media firestorm… so she pushed the “Elitist” idea… and hoped the media would pick the idea and start a new ‘scandal’. At the end, it paid off…

    Is Obama an Elitist??? You’ve got to be kidding me if you considering that question. The guy worked with the poor people of Chicago for years not with Wal-Mart lawyers, half his donors are people sending $50 to his campaign, not big corporations. He made some money selling his book about HOPE… Hillary made 107 Millions in 7 years on corporate deals…Etc. You probably are smoking something (and I bet you it’s not Marlboro…) if you can’t see this whole deal is a total fabrication by the real Elitist: Hillary Clinton.

    Now guess, what story will make more money for the press in general?:

    – Obama wins the nomination and the presidency
    Or…
    – Hillary steals the nomination and McCain wins the presidency

    You bet the second one. 3 Trillions of dollars in debt and 4,000 soldier deaths later, we are still talking about that dark day when Bush stole the presidency in Florida. If Gore had won we probably would have been bored, but not so many lives would have been lost… and the money could have been used to save our a** on this financial crisis we are living.

    I can’t forget that Bush wanted the war, yes…but the press SOLD it. There were thousands of articles about Sadam and his weapons… many of the same Journalists you see now talking about Bush and his policies were giving a helping hand to him not long ago.

    So, Yes, Obama said a word or two that were not the best pick, and Hillary immediately took the opportunity to make noise…but at the end…it was the press who MADE THE NOISE.

    The worst new are that we, the ordinary folks, don’t have any other alternative than this blog to say what we really think about all this manipulation… now that makes me bitter!!!

  • I agree with Susan. The media is prolonging the race until it comes to a “bitter” end. Conflict sells, and more people are watching CNN than ever before. Unfortunately, what is lost is the issues. It seems that the only things that separate Clinton from Obama is the way Obama has conducted his campaign to this point by sticking with the issues, making it clear that he doesn’t take special interest money, and lying less than Hillary. I was fortunate enough to hear him speak in Terre Haute, and words cannot describe the aura in that gymnasium. Everyone left feeling hopeful and enthusiastic. I think that the emotion attached to Obama’s campaign is what has led to the condescending term used for supporters as Obamites. I really see him standing strong while Hillary is starting to look and sound like Monty Python’s black knight from In Search of the Holy Grail.

  • I’m already living in Costa Rica…everything is a little muted from here:) Come on down, just bill.

  • Let’s suppose that maybe the Rush Limbaughs of this world decide it would be better for Conservatives to have an inept Democrat than McCain (whom they despise) be our next president, so they don’t turn on Obama the way they would if, say, a Conservative had been running on the Republican side.

    So here we are with Obama as president. He’s got some good advisors, but with no background at all in handling serious world affairs, or in delegating power, does anybody seriously think he’ll have any chance of pulling off 8 great years the way Bill Clinton did?

    Nothing in this man’s background gives me any hope that he’s anywhere near as serious about tackling the problems this country faces the way Bill Clinton did indeed succeed in doing.

    Can you imagine Bill Clinton voting “present” time after time after time (the way Obama has done) instead of daring to take a stand on any number of issues? Bill Clinton’s women may have been as cheap as they come, but when it came to political — and for that matter spiritual — advisors, he sought only the best, and he FOUND THEM, and used them well, to the betterment of all Americans, and hundred of thousands of Muslims in the Balkans whom he also dared care about — effectively.

    I don’t see Obama doing any of this — and fear his presidency will be far more like Jimmy Carter’s than Bill Clinton’s. I can just see Limbaugh salivating over the prospect of having 4 years of Obama to ensure that Conservatives will regain all the political clout that Bush’s disastrous presidency has cost them.

    …..which is why, unless he caves in to the conservatives in naming his VP and Cabinet choices, I’ll probably vote for McCain if it’s McCain vs. Obama. That way, I figure, we have a decent chance of only 4 years of Republicans followed hopefully by a bunch of years of Democratic presidents.

    Even Obama, if he stops running for speechwriter of the year and starts tackling seriously the serious issues that any president must cope with. The way Bill Clinton started doing when he was a relatively young man: politics was his narcotic, not doing cocaine and “being cool”.

  • The name for the problem is not “molehill politics”, because when you make a mountain out of a molehill, at least you have a molehill to start with. These types of politics aren’t even starting with a molehill. That’s why the term “manufactured outrage” is much better.

    It’s also important to keep stressing what’s happening – “manufactured outrage”is a completely negative and in large part deliberate distraction from true disasters that we should be doing something about, like global warming, the fall of the dollar, a bad balance of trade, two failing wars, glacially slow rebuilding of New Orleans, Bush shredding the constitution and turning our democracy and rule of law into a fascist kleptocracy, etc., etc., etc. The more we talk about whether asking for orange juice constitutes unamericanism, the less we talk about McCain’s plans for staying in Iraq forever and Hillary’s on-again off-again support for NAFTA and foreign invasions.

  • “… and had an affinity for Reagan’s conservative worldview.”

    Obama is STILL making positive references to Reagan that lead me to believe this might be true!

    BAC

  • Reagan was a terrible president but he wasn’t 100% terrible. He did do a few decent things unlike the current occupant of the office. Anyway, do you have any links to Obama making positive references to Reagan? Because the flap from January was bullshit, Obama said they were the party of ideas because those ideas dominated the political discussion in this country for several decades, which is objectively true. He never said they were good ideas, nor is there any evidence of any affinity for their worldview in any of his proposals or speeches.

  • 61. Crissa said: Probably because they are a fair-weather Democrat who don’t actually know what good deeds Democrats have done, and just want to stir up trouble.

    Hillary Clinton is a center or center-right politician depending on your perspective. The Clintons and their cronies have been trying for the past 16 years to move the Democratic party to the right to make it more palatable to corporate interests (i.e. donations), the same formula Tony Blair later followed in the UK. It has nothing to do with fair-weather or foul-weather, this is a fight for what the party will stand for, and many of us are liberals who retch at the idea of both major political parties in this country being little more than corporate lapdogs (which is basically what they have become).

    Is Obama better than that? It’s too early to tell. He certainly has centrist tendencies in a number of his proposals, which is why I personally was not an enthusiastic supporter of his before Hillary’s campaign dragged the nomination process into the gutter. Edwards was much more to my preference, though he too had a problem in that the current rhetoric didn’t match the past voting record. Still, Obama can’t be worse than Hillary, and the way he is raising most of his campaign money suggests that he doesn’t have to be a slave to corporatism if he doesn’t want to be.

  • The way Bill Clinton started doing when he was a relatively young man: politics was his narcotic, not doing cocaine and “being cool”. – Vicki

    Hahahaha, really?

    Sorry to feed the troll, but Vicki, do you actually believe that Bill never inhaled? You sound like a bad anti-drug ad…. Honestly, we could speculate endlessly on which candidate the GOP media would have more fun with, but the name of Clinton is guaranteed gold in the punditry arena.

  • Didn’t zeitgeist used to have a whole list he posted everytime Tom Cleaver went off on a rant like #55-56? I know some others used to re-post it, too. . . wish I were better organized.

    And Tom, I see you are up to your ad hominem (Latin for “I’m not smart enough to make any other argument”) ways again with the “Clinton morons” comment. There are others of us out here besides Mary. Glad you aren’t in charge of party unity. If you really think Obama can win without recovering any Clinton supporters, you are either completely stupid or on the McCain for President payroll.

    Do what allegedly is your party a favor and either play smarter or shut the f*ck up.

  • But can Clinton win without recovering Obama supporters?

    No. The fact is that neither of them can win in November without the support of the other camp once the primary is over. Putting personal preferences aside, I think Obama has a better shot than Hillary at winning in November. Obama has a better shot at bringing in the youth vote and independents– even some “Obamaicans”– and Hillary would infuse the GOP with an excitement that McCain desperately needs. I’m not saying they won’t grow to hate Obama but at this point the Hillary-hate is and has been at toxic levels for a very long time and is found among Republicans, Independents and many Democrats.

    What I find it truly bizarre that Hillary seems to be embracing the nepotism that got her where she is today. Instead of trying to establish herself as a strong candidate with her own impressive record she is running on Bill’s record as though it is her own. It doesn’t make her appear to be a strong candidate when tries to take credit for 8 years of prosperity. Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.

    I’m sick of the politics of IOKIYAR. With the Clintons it seems that special rules are created for them– IOKIYAC– if Nancy Regan were running for president and taking credit for her husband’s work wouldn’t we all be screaming about it?

    I’d love to see a woman in the White House but I want her to have earned it on her own record, her own life’s work, not because she was married to a president.

  • Sorry to feed the troll, but Vicki, do you actually believe that Bill never inhaled? You sound like a bad anti-drug ad

    No, she sounds like one of Mary’s alternate handles. Which, okay, do usually sound like she’s gotten into some bad medication.

    I’d love to see a woman in the White House but I want her to have earned it on her own record, her own life’s work, not because she was married to a president.

    A whole lot of feel that way (not to mention feeling that any bad candidate married to a former president is still a lousy candidate). But when we note the inarguable circumstance of Bill Clinton’s presidency putting Hillary where she is now, we are accused of viewing Hillary as only “an extension of her husband” by the same people who want us to give Hillary credit for her husband’s accomplishments as president.

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