Obama to urge elimination of nuclear weapons

Kevin Drum recently suggested Barack Obama is doing far too little to go beyond conventional policy prescriptions: “His big foreign policy speech was fine, but cautious and mainstream. His big healthcare speech was fine, but cautious and mainstream. And now his big tax speech is….just cautious and mainstream. I really want to hear something big and controversial from Obama, something that demonstrates a desire to shake up the status quo. But he just doesn’t seem to be willing to take any chances.”

In general, I find that hard to disagree with. Perhaps it doesn’t matter that Obama’s policies are conventional — candidates don’t necessarily need bold proposals to excel — but given the expectations and Obama’s goals of shaking up the status quo, some outside-the-box thinking would be helpful.

With that in mind, this seems like a step in the right direction.

Senator Barack Obama will propose on Tuesday setting a goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons in the world, saying the United States should greatly reduce its stockpiles to lower the threat of nuclear terrorism, aides say.

In a speech at DePaul University in Chicago, Mr. Obama will add his voice to a plan endorsed earlier this year by a bipartisan group of former government officials from the cold war era who say the United States must begin building a global consensus to reverse a reliance on nuclear weapons that have become “increasingly hazardous and decreasingly effective.”

Mr. Obama, according to details provided by his campaign Monday, also will call for pursuing vigorous diplomatic efforts aimed at a global ban on the development, production and deployment of intermediate-range missiles.

In some ways, this isn’t too unconventional, given that plenty of respected foreign policy leaders have already expressed similar sentiments, but I think it’s fair to say that Obama will be the first presidential candidate in a long while to make such a public pronouncement. It is not, given the context, “cautious and mainstream.”

The usual suspects are already offering the predictable attacks.

John Hawkins, for example, offered these words of wisdom.

It’s almost like the Obama is a child’s toy, who has been programmed with nothing but Hallmark Card greetings and random snippets from All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten.

You pull the string once and it’s, “I love puppies and warm milk!” You pull it again and, “I want to be the candidate of change and hope!” Pull it for a 3rd time and it’s, “Let’s get rid of all the world’s nuclear weapons because we can’t hug each other with nuclear arms!”

Even in a party full of unserious people, Barack is notable for how unseriousness. [sic].

Hawkins may or may not realize it, but Obama’s proposal is very much in line with the bipartisan approach taken earlier this year by George Shultz, secretary of state in the Reagan administration; Henry Kissinger, secretary of state in the Nixon and Ford administrations; William Perry, secretary of defense in the Clinton administration; and Sam Nunn, a former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

Nuclear weapons today present tremendous dangers, but also an historic opportunity. U.S. leadership will be required to take the world to the next stage – to a solid consensus for reversing reliance on nuclear weapons globally as a vital contribution to preventing their proliferation into potentially dangerous hands, and ultimately ending them as a threat to the world.

Nuclear weapons were essential to maintaining international security during the Cold War because they were a means of deterrence. The end of the Cold War made the doctrine of mutual Soviet-American deterrence obsolete. Deterrence continues to be a relevant consideration for many states with regard to threats from other states. But reliance on nuclear weapons for this purpose is becoming increasingly hazardous and decreasingly effective.

North Korea’s recent nuclear test and Iran’s refusal to stop its program to enrich uranium – potentially to weapons grade – highlight the fact that the world is now on the precipice of a new and dangerous nuclear era. Most alarmingly, the likelihood that non-state terrorists will get their hands on nuclear weaponry is increasing. In today’s war waged on world order by terrorists, nuclear weapons are the ultimate means of mass devastation. And non-state terrorist groups with nuclear weapons are conceptually outside the bounds of a deterrent strategy and present difficult new security challenges.

This is not exactly “puppies and warm milk” talk.

What’s more, James Joyner reminds me that it was none other than Ronald Reagan who called for the abolishment of “all nuclear weapons,” which he considered to be “totally irrational, totally inhumane, good for nothing but killing, possibly destructive of life on earth and civilization.”

Something to keep in mind when the intellectually lazy reflexively bash Obama’s proposal today and in the coming weeks.

it was none other than Ronald Reagan who called for the abolishment of “all nuclear weapons,”

Something tells me that if Saint Reagan was alive today and had a working brain he would join the idiot warmongers who want to build more nukes. He didn’t avoid hypocrisy any more than today’s idiot Republicans do.

  • I don’t think it’ll be just the reflexively lazy who’ll bash Obama’s proposal.

    In fact, I plan to bash it on my blog tomorrow.

  • If only they could speak like Kucinich. It always takes them so long to catch up to his position.

  • but is this really a realistic goal???

    That’s exactly what I plan to argue. It’s totally unrealistic, and he has to know it. He’s plugging it anyway because he needs a big stunt.

    For a guy who keeps promising “a fundamental break from the way we’ve been doing business” he sure acts a lot like an old-time pol.

  • It’s totally unrealistic, and he has to know it. sarabeth #7

    The answer is often hidden inside the question.

    Senator Barack Obama will propose on Tuesday setting a goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons in the world, saying the United States should greatly reduce its stockpiles to lower the threat of nuclear terrorism, aides say.

    We can’t eliminate the world’s stockpiles is we merely reduce our own. So, yes, Obama knows it’s unrealistic. But good for him for bringing it up.

  • Silly Obama… how are the dispensationalists going to get their Rapture fix without nukes?

    And I’ll tell you what’s unrealistic, sarabeth –an innocent nuclear mistake, like arming an airplane with six nuclear warheads on accident.

  • And after that, let’s outlaw war and make everyone millionaires. The HRC camp has to be loving this.

  • We can’t eliminate the world’s stockpiles is we merely reduce our own. So, yes, Obama knows it’s unrealistic. But good for him for bringing it up.

    So the “goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons in the world” is just old-school hot-air?

  • Here’s a question: what are the circumstances in which you could envision the United States using nuclear weapons?

    Who’s the enemy? Are we going to turn Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia, or China, into a radioactive wasteland? What would prompt us to do that?

    There might well be answers to these questions. But I’d like to hear them explicitly stated, rather than just defaulting to the position that “we have nuclear weapons because we’ve had them, and we once needed a credible deterrent.”

    Remember meanwhile that doomsday weapons are big business. The makers and maintainers of The Bomb do quite well by your tax dollars and mine, and they aren’t entirely silent or indifferent to who takes power in our “democracy.”

    I don’t think Obama is urging unilateral disarmament on the Kucinich “let’s tell Kim Jong Il we luv him” model. But he has a case to make here.

  • I don’t think it’ll be just the reflexively lazy who’ll bash Obama’s proposal.

    In fact, I plan to bash it on my blog tomorrow. -sarabeth

    Why put off until tomorrow what you could do today? Sounds lazy to me!

    Joking aside, I’m curious to see why you are pro weapons of mass destruction.

  • I don’t see this as productive on any level.

    Obama, wassup?

    Inflame the hawks and throw an implausible biscuit to the doves who aren’t talking about nukes, they’re talking Iraq. What are you up to?

  • Joking aside, I’m curious to see why you are pro weapons of mass destruction.

    We’re a matched pair, then. I’m curious to see how you were able to conclude from my comments that I’m “pro weapons of mass destruction”?

  • I really want to hear something big and controversial from Obama, something that demonstrates a desire to shake up the status quo. But he just doesn’t seem to be willing to take any chances.

    Part of that is because some of his advisors are too concerned about their jobs, I think. I managed to get my manuscript of an upcoming book to his energy and environmental policy advisors. They took a month of hum-hawing around to read it. It’s an earth-shaking overturning of climate change and energy policy, and after reading it they KNEW that virtually all their policy positions were obsolete. So they sent me a Dear John letter and never even showed it to Obama. After all, how ridiculous would they look coming to him and saying, “You know all those policy positions we constructed for you, that you’ve been touting on the stump for months? Well, they’re lame. Our bad!” It’s just not going to happen. Parochialism and job insecurity kill a lot of good ideas before they can even get to the candidate. I’m convinced more than ever that more viable candidacies are brought down by lame advisors than by lame candidates. The candidates have so many divergent issues to deal with that they have to rely on advisors. Yet many of the advisors aren’t experts in the fields on which they’re advising. The ones I dealt with, for instance, aren’t scientists. Most of them, if you look at their CVs, are simply political junkies who make a living going from one campaign to another. So if they have to advise on complex subjects, they’re just not qualified to do it. They don’t have any more knowledge than anybody else who surfs the internet to find info. They’re Wikipedia consultants. BFD. Too bad.

  • Along these lines, just look at Edwards’ policy positions on biofuels. I went to a speech where he was waxing enthusiastic about how lucky all those poor people in Africa are because now that we need biofuels they’re going to be able to grow cash crops to sell for biofuel to the EU and the USA. Anybody with half a brain who’s been following the whole biofuel issue could have told him this is ridiculous, that countless groups and individuals in Africa have been begging the EU to rescind their biofuel targets because of all the damage that it’s going to do to their economies and environment. Then just a week ago or so ago the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) released the results of their study on biofuels. (The OECD is a group that comprises virtually every “developed” country.) Their findings: STOP the biofuel revolution. Any little bit of environmental good it might do will be more than offset by all the harm it will do to both environment and economies.

    Should Edwards have known this before he started touting his lame nonsense about how good biofuels will be for all our poor brethren? Of course he should have, and if he had advisors who were qualified to advise he would have known it. But his environmental and energy policy advisors are probably the sort of environmentalists with stars in their eyes who dream of giant fields of solar panels and windmills with bunnies hopping about under a rainbow. So they give him crappy advice, and he either hasn’t the time, energy, or interest to really find out for himself. Now with the OECD study he’s going to end up looking foolish—if any of the other candidates call him on it! But most of them (on the Dem side) have similar foolish advisors on these issues. The sad fact is that the majority of environmentalist advisors to politicians are zealots with little or no actual scientific knowledge of what they’re advising about, and the policies that end up being fought for and, I hate to say it, sometimes enacted, can be horrendous and hugely detrimental to our environment in the long run. Environmentalism has gotten to be almost like religion: You’ve got your high priests who proclaim their vision and the mass of acolytes who don’t understand a damn thing about the mysteries of it all but follow like a passionate army wherever their priests direct them.

  • I’m curious to see how you were able to conclude from my comments that I’m “pro weapons of mass destruction”? -sarabeth

    You stated you plan to bash a proposal that calls for the reduction and eventual elimination of the world’s nuclear weapons.

    I understand the world isn’t black and white, but the opposition position to nuclear reduction and elimination can only be status quo or proliferation, both of which are unacceptable.

    The use of nuclear weapons by a reasonable state is unfathomable at this point and would result in the destruction of the entire world. Rougue states and terrorists, however, would have no qualms about using them.

    So for reasonable states to possess nuclear weapons without the intention of ever using them only increases the chance that someone crazy enough to use them will acquire them. These people are not deterred by the threat of retaliation.

    We can’t even keep track of all of ours, losing them here, ‘accidentally’ putting them on a plane there, how can we expect Russia or North Korea to keep theirs in check?

    So you tell me how anything other than the total opposition and destruction of all nuclear weapons is anything other than pro-wmd?

  • Sarabeth, mainstream trends change. Racial/cultural sensitivity was mainstream in the nineties, unfortunately it is not anymore. US automakers got their best average gas mileage in the eighties, though gas guzzling suv sales are what’s hip now. Reagan followed the trend of the eighties – no more nukes. Bush, however, is developing new nukes (see Kerry in ’04 debates, he mentions them by name). At present, America loves its nukes. A GOP candidate would commit political suicide taking Obama’s stance on nukes. Correct me if I’m wrong, but a position that poses a self destructive threat to either side hardly qualifies as mainstream/old-school.

  • Inflame the hawks and throw an implausible biscuit to the doves who aren’t talking about nukes, they’re talking Iraq. What are you up to? -williamjacobs

    Most likely he’s posturing against Clinton with, what he probably assumed was a safe position on nuclear arms reduction. Obama will never win the hawks, but he’s attempting to draw clear lines between himself and Clinton.

    Trying to get to those people who poll they are anti-war and then pick Clinton as their candidate. I think he’s trying to kick-start their cognitive dissonance.

  • Obama’s timing on this is all wrong, and his problem is that he hasn’t looked into Vlad Putin’s soul and seen that he is. . . freakin insane. With Putin angling to move from President to Prime Minister to hold his back-to-the-USSR power, it is no longer possible to rule out the type of geopolitical tension that gave rise to the nuclear arsenal in the first place. MAD worked pretty well (wasteful and frighteningas it was) for most of my lifetime. While it is pointless when the types of aggression in the world are like Iraq or Bosnia, or even NK (since he is too insane to be reliably deterred by it), it actually may remain a useful concept re Putinland and China. Indeed, if we reduced our capacity, I quite believe Putin’s response would not be to join us, but rather to ramp up and try to re-establish the prominence he surely believes the USSR had in the good old days. That is, he would try to re-fight the Cold War to a different conclusion.

    Because moderates like me see Putin in this way (and from conversations with friends and acquaintences I know I am not alone in this), Obama can easily be outflanked by Clinton and Biden on the D side, or by the Rs in the general, on this issue.

  • Yeah, no puppies and warm milk for you.

    Let’s all just kill each other instead.

    Actually, let’s blow up all the world’s nuclear weapons, and have an armageddon, after which the saviour will return and we’ll all be raptured up to hebbin.

    Now there’s a “serious” proposal.

    Oh, you think I’m being sarcastic? There are millions of people in this country who actually believe that, and some of the kookiest of them are driving policy for the Repug party.

  • doubtful @ 19, my intention isn’t to criticize you, but I thought your statement was important.

    “The use of nuclear weapons by a reasonable state is unfathomable at this point and would result in the destruction of the entire world. Rougue states and terrorists, however, would have no qualms about using them.”

    An article on the Jerusalem Post concerning a poll of Israelis found that a majority of Israelis support the use of nukes. Many of the very vitriolic comments at the bottom of the linked page, half of which are from the US, are urging the immediate use of nukes on Iran. Some even cheer using nukes to preempt a war, which would mean that the use of nukes isn’t an act of war. Of course, that is only my low-brow opinion according to bjobotts.

  • Re 20:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but a position that poses a self destructive threat to either side hardly qualifies as mainstream/old-school.

    I didn’t say or mean that calling for eliminating all nuclear weapons in the world is mainstream/old-school.

    I said that making empty promises that you know you can’t keep is an old-school political trick, not worthy of He Who Keeps Promising A Better Way.

  • An article on the Jerusalem Post concerning a poll of Israelis found that a majority of Israelis support the use of nukes. -tko

    I guess that’s probably why I hedged and said ‘reasonable state,’ but it seems to me all the more reason to eliminate the world’s nuclear weapons. Too many zealots hellbent on ending all life as we know it just to bring about some promised mythological reward.

  • Hasn’t anyone noticed that the US is already committed to ridding the world of nuclear weapons? Check out Article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which the US is a signatory to. According to the Constitution, that is the supreme law of the land.

    What’s so radical about saying that the US will actually follow the law?

  • Never mind with the foreign policy implications. That’s not the point. The point is that Barack Obama, the first of the presidential candidates, HAS FINALLY SAID SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GIVE CHENEY A HEART ATTACK, which I have yearned for these many years.

  • Re 19: That’s a false dichotomy. Lauding Obama’s proposal or being pro-WMD are not the only possible alternatives.

    I already explained briefly in 7 why I’m not too impressed with Obama’s proposal. For the rest, read my blog tomorrow and come fight with me there.

  • I said that making empty promises that you know you can’t keep is an old-school political trick, not worthy of He Who Keeps Promising A Better Way.

    You’re assuming it’s an empty promise.

    You start from the assumption that

    a)drastic nuclear arms reduction is impossible

    and

    b) Obama agrees with you on (a)

    I see no reason to grant either proposition. Sen. Obama campaigned in 2004 on disarmament and non-proliferation issues, has worked extensively on it in the Senate, has been talking about it for months, including bringing up an oft-ignored but rather good proposal for an international nuclear fuel bank, etc etc. So why I should I take (b) to be obviously true, let alone (a)?

    So far, your arguments in this section have amounted to little more than stating by fiat that the policy is pointless and therefore Obama is being disingenuous.

    Intellectually lazy, indeed.

    How about you argue for it?

  • I already explained briefly in 7 why I’m not too impressed with Obama’s proposal.

    Uh, no you didn’t. Explaining would be saying why you think it’s unrealistic, not declaring it unrealistic, and then leaving it at that. That’s not a brief explanation, it’s an assumption masquerading as an argument.

  • For the rest, read my blog tomorrow and come fight with me there. -sarabeth

    Will do, although I prefer not to call it ‘fighting.’ Let’s go with discussion or debate.

  • Unfortunately, the concept of a united, global disarmament is a thing that has long missed it’s last chance. Take into consideration that Israel possesses nuclear weapons capacicity. Advance this out to Iran having nuclear technology—and then add to that extrapolation the idea that, by North Korea having supplied Syria with materials, then North Korea must have previously supplied Syria with the technology and knowledge to begin work with those materials.

    How many other nations have in their possession the technical data prerequisite to build The Bomb? Good grief—I can go on the Internet and find accurate engineering drawings for the construction of not only a nuclear device—but a thermonuclear device.

    And the United States doesn’t even have an accurate record of where all of its own weapons-grade material is. They lost track of a good quantity of stuff—the last time they engaged in a draw-down of the missile fleet. They even lost track—if only for a day and a half—of a half-dozen high-tech missiles, tipped with nuke warheads.

    The world will disarm from this madness only when there is a viable alternative to possessing such madness—and there are far too many for whom such madness is a warranty to Power.

    Absolute Power.

    And I seem to recall something about the symbiance between Absolute Power—and Absolute Corruption….

  • JRS Jr.,

    Sure that would be be absolutely wonderful… but is this really a realistic goal???

    How is this sentiment not applicable to the goal to end all Terrorism?

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