Obama’s mortgage stirs smoke, but no fire

In recent weeks we’ve seen some controversies, most notably surrounding Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D), in which certain politicians received dubious mortgage discounts, thanks to personal connections.

Based on the evidence, it looks like this is far more benign.

Shortly after joining the U.S. Senate and while enjoying a surge in income, Barack Obama bought a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood. To finance the purchase, he secured a $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust in Illinois.

The freshman Democratic senator received a discount. He locked in an interest rate of 5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage, below the average for such loans at the time in Chicago. The loan was unusually large, known in banker lingo as a “super super jumbo.” Obama paid no origination fee or discount points, as some consumers do to reduce their interest rates.

Compared with the average terms offered at the time in Chicago, Obama’s rate could have saved him more than $300 per month.

The Washington Post clearly wants to characterize this as a serious story. It even adds a superfluous non sequitur, noting that the former Fannie Mae chief executive briefly served on Obama’s VP search committee in June, as if that has some relevance to the mortgage rate Obama received in 2005.

In this case, there’s less here than meets the eye. Nearly four years ago, Obama received a 30-year fixed rate of 5.625%. The average at the time was 5.93%. As such, it was a good deal, but not a sweetheart deal. Obama had received competing offers from another lender, and as a result, got a more competitive rate. As Oliver Willis, who used to work for a mortgage company, put it, “[T]he idea that the lender gives a few fractions of a percent to a borrower of a jumbo loan is about as common as breathing air.”

As controversies go, this is pretty thin. Obama got a legitimate mortgage, at a competitive rate. He didn’t try to conceal anything, and even posted the records related to his house purchase on his website.

The Post report added:

Unlike Countrywide, where leaked internal e-mails documented a special discount program for friends of chief executive Angelo Mozilo, Northern Trust says it has no formal program to provide discounts to public officials. Loan officers may consider a borrower’s occupation when establishing an interest rate, the bank said.

“A person’s occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration,” said Northern Trust Vice President John O’Connell. “That would apply to anyone seeking to get a mortgage at Northern Trust.” He added that the rates offered to Obama were “consistent with internal Northern Trust rates at that time.”

Given this, I’m a little surprised the Post even found this newsworthy enough to publish. There’s just nothing here.

As the Chicago Tribune’s Swamp blog concluded, “Obama’s political opponents will certainly try to make something out of this story. But contrary to the famous adage, not all smoke means there’s a fire.”

What, he has good credit? A man with a tan having good credit? IMPOSSIBLE!

And there are few thinking people who don’t realize that when you have money, you get things. Celebs get free bling. People with money get higher interest rates, favors from banks to keep their business, the list could go on. It is a reality of having money. And the more money you have the more you get.

So he basically did a LendingTree where bankers competed for his mortgage.

Wow, I’m stunned that a couple of lawyers might work out a good rate.

Shocking! Shocking, I say!

  • A lot of attention about this, and barely a blip about the McCain’s tax defaults and credit card debt.

    He’s reg’lar folks, see! All reg’lar folks own eight homes!

  • You know (looks furtively to and fro)…*I* heard Barack HUSSEIN Obama breathes IN oxygen (which Americans really really need) and OUT carbon dioxide (which plants really really need).

    Ain’t it just like a black liberal – THE MOST liberal senator, BTW according to very serious and true sources – to take something away from honest hard-working Americans in order to give back to PLANTS AND TREES?!?!?! They don’t even pay taxes!

    Now I’m sure those dopey Obama apologists will say that by giving plants carbon dioxide, they in turn provide oxygen to us. But AMERICA FIRST! That’s ALL I’m saying. Oh, and anyone who disagrees with me is an Islamofascistcommunistlibrulathiestfeministantiamericandouche.

    Why does Obama hate America?

  • Has anyone asked Hon. Sen. Sanders, a self-identified Socialist, what he thinks of being less liberal than Hon. Sen. Obama?

  • I find this story to be kind of funny myself. I’m certainly not in Obama’s recently acquired tax bracket and my fixed rate mortgage is better than 5.635%. Granted, we refinanced several years ago but still… .3% isn’t evidence of favoritism, it’s evidence that they were careful mortgage shoppers.

    It’s pretty funny to watch the contortions some people will perform to try and find some dirt on this guy.

  • If 5.93% was the going rate for “super super jumbo” mortgages, Obama did a lot better than other “people with money”.

    To say that people with money get favors from banks doesn’t explain any of this.

    Nor does Oliver Willis’ comment. Isn’t he 5.93% supposed to reflect the net terms that lenders were offering to borrowers of super super jumbos, after taking into account the few fractions of a percent that may be customary?

  • The Washington Post clearly wants to characterize this as a serious story. It even adds a superfluous non sequitur, noting that the former Fannie Mae chief executive briefly served on Obama’s VP search committee in June, as if that has some relevance to the mortgage rate Obama received in 2005.

    What, is John Solomon on the job?

  • Chris –

    It would be pretty funny, if the WaPo didn’t have the ability to create narratives that low-info voters then accept uncritically. It light of that, it falls somewhere between annoying and sad. And, if it does damage, potentially rising to “outrageous.”

  • 5.93% was not the “going rate” it was the “average rate”.

    Wouldn’t it be great if everyone in the world could be better than average?

    If you agree with the above statement, then you are lacking the knowledge to carry this conversation any further.

    If you see the problem in the statement, then there is no need to carry this conversation any further.

  • OMG – Obama got a good deal because he believes in competitive bidding! No wonder the Washington Post thinks this is a big story. The norm in Washington is sweetheart deals – a quid pro quo. You give me something, and I will give you something in return. How dare Obama upset the rules of the game!

  • Know what’s shocking about this? I’ve got a better mortgage rate than Obama. I think I’m going to feel smug all day.

  • .3% on a 1.3 million loan is a lot of money over 30 years. In 2005, rates were going up, not down.

    The question is not whether he got a good rate but whether he got a better rate than other people were getting because he is a politician. Some politicians, wishing to avoid the appearance of favorable treatment, insist on paying the published rate and do not try to negotiate favorable deals. Some, to avoid having a bank come back and request any quid pro quo, insist on being treated the same as others (e.g., average). Obviously, Obama is not one of them or he would be paying the average.

    Argue this away, but he is showing that his brand of “new politics” is not the old-fashioned honorable kind of politics. Maybe he made this mistake because he is a neophyte, or maybe he does cash in on all the little favors people want to pay him because he is no longer Barack Obama, community activist, but is now Barack Obama, big man in a limo. All the community activists with good credit get .3 shaved off their jumbo loans.

  • Daze,

    Yeah, that’s true. I would hope that a lot of people, home owners in particular, would recognize that the interest rate on his mortgage isn’t out of line though. If he’s only .3% under the AVERAGE rate they were giving at that time then it’s hard to argue that he got some special treatment. If it were 3% less that would be something different.

    I’m not sure what the WaPo’s typical reader looks like but I would have to guess that the label “low info” probably doesn’t apply to them. The WaPo isn’t USA Today. Still, this could spark something. If the McCain campaign wants to make some hay out of this they’d be sending Obama an engraved invitation to discuss San Diego property taxes and Amex card balances. Actually, I’d like to see that discussion if only to make it clear to people that the McCains are freaking rich and the Obamas neuvo rich at best. Can a guy who owns 7 properties and hasn’t pumped his own gas in god knows how long really be “one of us”?

  • The most outlandish part of this is that “a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood” costs about the same as a 2-bedroom condo in Manhattan.

  • As a hard core Hillary supporter who came around to Obama after she dropped out, I gotta say, if this is the worst thing they can dig up, then Obama has to be pretty fucking clean.
    Keep pushing the McCain 8 houses and Cindy’s $100 million.

  • Given this, I’m a little surprised the Post even found this newsworthy enough to publish.

    Because the Powers That Be have been throwing everything they can at Senator Obama and nothing seems to stick… they’re getting desperate and even a little frantic.

    TO slappy magoo @ 3:
    Spot on with the brewing oxygen->carbon dioxide scandal. Will we call it Oxy/Carbgate? Is this tied to Obama’s position on carbon trading? And for all those who say we need plants to have that CO2 to make O2 for us to breathe — well, that there’s molecular biology. And as we know, molecular biology isn’t separated by a space the width of the Devil’s hangnail from the greatest evil ever, evolution.

  • #4 Bernie Sanders wouldn’t care; he’s not in it for the image.

    #13. Being one of us is beside the point. FDR wasn’t one of us, but he was for us.

  • RE: 12:

    “Some politicians, wishing to avoid the appearance of favorable treatment, insist on paying the published rate and do not try to negotiate favorable deals.”

    Can you give me some specific examples of politicians and the rates they actually got, versus what they could’ve received?

    “Some, to avoid having a bank come back and request any quid pro quo, insist on being treated the same as others (e.g., average).”

    Can you give me some specific examples?

  • Oh Mary please. It was .3% less than the AVERAGE interest rate on those loans. Given that he’s done more investments through them they very easily could have given him a better deal knowing full well that he’d be doing more business with them in the future. A good introductory price in hopes of getting future business is common practice in any number of industries, banking included, and they certainly must have recognized that Obama’s star was on the rise.

    “Some politicians, wishing to avoid the appearance of favorable treatment, insist on paying the published rate and do not try to negotiate favorable deals.”

    Site some examples please. By all appearances Obama was just being a smart consumer. The Obamas didn’t retire their student loans until 2004 for crying out loud. It’s not like they’re McCain rich and unconcerned with how they spend their money.

  • Matthew, I believe Sen Some Strawman (R-Narnia) paid the published rate for his mortgage, then paid a little extra cause it be how he roll (that’s how they talk in Narnia)

  • Mathew,

    No fair asking Mary from #12 for some examples there! Are you trying to ruin the cloud of conjecture and suspicion that she’s attempting to weave?

    Seriously, the article even goes on to state that there isn’t a lot of comparable data because people who buy $1.3M homes often pay cash. They shopped around, the bank dropped the rate a bit to get future business from them, the bank got it. If you were to replace Obama with one of us (buying a presumably smaller home) this story wouldn’t warrant a 2nd look. Your friends would be impressed because you were a smart shopper. Obama is a smart shopper and the implication is that he must be getting special treatment.

    I think I pulled an ocular muscle rolling my eyes so hard.

  • John McCain doesn’t get charged ANY interest on 6 figures of credit card debt….

    And then he votes in favor of the credit card industry in congress.

    Now that’s an interesting story that no one is doing.

  • 12. On July 2nd, 2008 at 11:26 am, Mary said:
    .3% on a 1.3 million loan is a lot of money over 30 years. In 2005, rates were going up, not down.

    The question is not whether he got a good rate but whether he got a better rate than other people were getting because he is a politician.
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    Actually, Dopey, the OTHER question is: Was Obama a smart shopper and competitivlely shopped for the best possible rate, like educated consumers are supposed to do? There are companies that make money by making mortgage companies bid the best possible rate for your mortgage. Shee-it, *I* don’t make Obama money, and I’ve had people ask if I’d like to refinance at a lower rate. I’d think for a million-plus-dollar loan, banks might be willing to sompetre even more. Of course, that’s because I DO think.

    BUT SPEAKING OF QUESTIONS…

    I asked you a question on another thread, which you either missed (which is why I’ll repeat it) or you ignored it because you know there’s no answer that won’t make you look like the complete and total tool you are (which is why I’ll continue to ask the question until you have the guts to answer it).

    You said earlier “What has Obama done to demonstrate his patriotism?”

    I asked you “What does Obama need to do…FOR YOU…so that you’ll think he’s sufficiently pariotic enough?”

    I got the feeling that, because he’s not white, female and named Hillary Clinton, he could take out Osama bin Laden while playing “God Bless America” with a piccolo he shoved up his ass and making reservation to eat a traditional turkey dinner at Disney World’s Liberty Tree Tavern, and you’d still think he wasn’t patriotic enough.

    Put your money where you mouth is, babe. Cite some examples that makes Obama the sort of patriot you could vote for… that is, you WOULD vote for, if you weren’t already planning on voting for McCain.
    Mary…why are you such a coward?

  • Mary at 12 said “stuff.”

    Don’t know much about mega (i.e., super super jumbo) loans, do you?

    The Obamas had displayed a track record of good credit, AND a rock-solid commitment to their community. It says, “We’re in this for the long haul. We’re not running away from our commitments.”

    THAT is how you get a legitimate discount on a big loan—you show the lender that the community is, indeed, a part of you….

  • he could take out Osama bin Laden while playing “God Bless America” with a piccolo he shoved up his ass and making reservation to eat a traditional turkey dinner at Disney World’s Liberty Tree Tavern, and you’d still think he wasn’t patriotic enough.

    Damn straight. If he did that rightwingers (and self-proclaimed Clinton “supporters”) would be outraged that he was actually playing “God Save the King”, that the word “piccolo” sounds kind of French, and that “Turkey” is a Muslim country. Thereby proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s a godless, European Muslim who secretly wants to turn our country back over to King George and his Redcoats.

  • Mary, you’re so full of it. Please share more of your in-depth knowledge of the history of interest rates on super jumbo residential loans in the Chicago metro area, focussing on the period from December 2004 to June 2005. In graph form, preferably.

    I got my mortgage in February of 2005, just about the time (according to the article) that the Obamas got their loan. I had only a modest (but clean) credit history; and my loan, although huge to me, is a lot less than the Obamas’. Nonetheless, I was able to call around to a few banks in my area and get a 5.375% interest rate, somewhat lower than the posted average at the time.

    I never realized until today that I might have cheated. Guess I can never be president.

  • When I originally saw the story I had to check my web browser…I thought it routed me to Fox.com for some reason…

    Come on…the Washington Post knows better then this….next weeks it going to be:

    “Barack Obama gets 20% off TV at Best Buy when it wasn’t listed in Weekend Circular”

    It does make me a little happy knowing that they are having a difficult time finding stuff to manufacture a competitive race though.

  • I have a better rate than that as well.

    There go my political aspirations. Who knew I’d be hoist by my own 5.45% 30-year fixed petard?

    I’d have gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for that pesky Mary….

  • Wow, is there any Obama-related bullshit that Mary won’t jump on? Really? I mean, I understand you don’t like the guy and all, it happens to some people. But are you really going to rise to every single piece of rotted bait that gets dangled in front of you??? It’s just embarrassing to watch.

  • It amounts to $108,000 using the Post’s figure of a $300 reduction in monthly payment.

    TPM is playing uproar over some Republican’s deal on a Wash DC condo where the rent differential is less than this, and then there was the flap over someone giving a boat to someone else in FL.

    My point is that you have different standards for different people, depending on which party they belong to and whether they are the favored nominee or just the also ran.

    More mortage is slightly higher than Obama’s, negotiated in 2004 when rates were lower, and my credit is also spotless. It wasn’t a jumbo loan and I’m not a senator, so I guess I’m out of luck.

    Is there any Obama-related bullshit that you guys won’t excuse? He keeps messing up and you think he’s still walking on water.

  • I believe another factor that went into their mortgage rate is that OBAMA deposited nearly $3 million bucks in the bank. He had just gotten an $2.2 million advance on his book deal and they had a six figure profit from sale of their other home. The bank, of course, would want the deposit business as much as the mortgage business.

    This story is a joke.

  • I really like the part that it’s a controversy because he received better than the “average” rate….

    Ummmmmmmm, hullo, washingtonpost? Um, yeah, by simple definition, 50% of people will receive a ‘better than the average’ rate (assuming we’re talking Mean, here)… You might want to brush up on stats…

  • The Obamas didn’t retire their student loans until 2004 for crying out loud. — Chris, @19

    Oy, Chris, now you’ve really stirred the pot 🙂

    I guess you weren’t here, a couple of months ago, when Mary took the Obamas to the woodshed for that. Millions they’re making, but don’t pay off their student loans until he runs for the Senate; doubtless because he knows his finances will be in the sunlight, for everyone to see. But, otherwise, they’d have welshed out on those loans, in the time-honored, black Chicago tradition. Of course, they got those loans only because thy’re black. Etc, etc, etc, et bloody caetera.

    Our Mary of Perpetual Obama Hatred claims to be an academic but she strikes me more as a failed fantasy writer.

  • Obama has better than average credit rating… The shame the shame.

    Mary is just pissed that she wasn’t as good of a shopper as Obama.

  • Well, now we see that Mary’s just ticked because she has a higher interest rate on her mortgage, even though it was “negotiated in 2004 when rates were lower.”

    She attributes this to Obama being a scheming Senator and extravagent jumbo-loan borrower rather than different markets or, perhaps, her lousy negotiating skills. She neglects to address the several commenters here, presumably non-Senators, who have noted that they got rates even lower than Obama.

    So very sad, and also – surprise! – wrong. As the long-term trend graph at this site shows, 30-year mortgage rates hit a mini-peak in mid-2004 then dropped again and stayed below their mid-2004 level through most of 2005.

  • 35. On July 2nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Mary said:
    It amounts to $108,000 using the Post’s figure of a $300 reduction in monthly payment.

    My point is that you have different standards for different people, depending on which party they belong to and whether they are the favored nominee or just the also ran. Which is why I’m voting for John McCain.
    __________________

    Fixed.

  • #35 Mary,

    “My point is that you have different standards for different people, depending on which party they belong to and whether they are the favored nominee or just the also ran.

    More mortage is slightly higher than Obama’s, negotiated in 2004 when rates were lower, and my credit is also spotless. It wasn’t a jumbo loan and I’m not a senator, so I guess I’m out of luck.”

    You’re right, there are different rates available to different people. People with higher incomes than mine and (presumably, no offense) yours will get better rates depending on how large the mortgage is and how much business they do with the banking institution. The simple fact that his rate is slightly better than the average rate for that bank at that time isn’t evidence of corruption, favoritism, or any other improprieties.

    “Is there any Obama-related bullshit that you guys won’t excuse? He keeps messing up and you think he’s still walking on water.”

    You show us how he messed up and we’ll see if we can agree on that point.

    Libra @ 19,

    You’re probably right, I’m finding conflicting info on when he paid off his loans.

    “http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/09/michelle-obama-baracks-book-sales-paid-off-our-student-loans/”

    Michelle says it wasn’t until after the books were published. It was sometime between 2000 and 2006 I guess. Not all that long ago is the point.

  • Libra @ 19,

    sorry, post got chopped.

    But, yeah, I see that Mary has a fixation that can’t be reasonably explained. Some people see fire where there is no smoke much less flame and some folks refuse to respond to the heat when the flames are all around them. If .3% is all it takes for Mary to see corruption in Obama I can only imagine what she must think of the Bush administration as a whole.

  • These mortgage rate scandals are absurd.

    I am selling and buying a house RIGHT NOW. Wells Fargo is my current mortgage lender, and I am using them for the new house—guess what? I will be getting a “better than average” rate—because I am a kick-ass return customer with excellent credit.

    Somebody alert CNN.

    Morons.

  • Mary writes: “More mortage is slightly higher than Obama’s, negotiated in 2004 when rates were lower, and my credit is also spotless. It wasn’t a jumbo loan and I’m not a senator, so I guess I’m out of luck.”

    Or perhaps you’re not a particularly good negotiator.

    We don’t have a mortgage right now, we paid cash for this house (moved from Sili Valley to Maine).

    We used to live in the bay area. We had 7 figures deposited with one bank (between brokerage and other accounts). I told my banker we were buying a new house and would be shopping for a mortgage (~$900K $250K down) he told us they’d beat whatever we got by 3/4ths a point.

  • “More mortage is slightly higher than Obama’s, negotiated in 2004 when rates were lower, and my credit is also spotless. It wasn’t a jumbo loan and I’m not a senator, so I guess I’m out of luck.”

    O pity poor Mary. NOT. Did you really expect her to say she actually bested Obama’s rate? Everything she says is a blatant lie meant solely to stir up shit. More likely she rents a garage in a ghetto in Fresno.

    She’s NOT real. She’s making it up as she goes.

  • Well, MissMudd, you know how those Bush/McCain supporters like Mary like to create their own realities.

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