Obama’s not-so-scandalous meeting with a Michigan imam

Barack Obama campaigned in Michigan this week, and during his trip, he met privately with a prominent Muslim leader. It wasn’t especially noteworthy; candidates meet with prominent religious leaders frequently, from a variety of faiths, in communities nationwide.

Imam Hassan Qazwini, head of the Islamic Center of America, said in an email that he met with Obama at Macomb Community College. A mosque spokesman, Eide Alawan, confirmed that the meeting took place. During the meeting, the two discussed the Presidential election, the Arab-Israeli conflict, and the Iraq war, according to Qazwini.

At the end of the meeting, Qazwini said he gave Obama a copy of new book, “American Crescent,” and invited Obama to visit his center. […]

Born in Iraq into a long line of Shi’ite clerics, Qazwini and his family left for Iran to escape persecution under the regime of Saddam Hussein. He later moved to the U.S. and become head of the Dearborn mosque, one of the largest Shi’ite Muslim centers in the U.S.

No one cared. No one, that is, until Debbie Schlussel, one of the more unhinged members of the conservative blogosphere, argued the day after the Obama meeting, “Barack Obama claims he’s against HAMAS and Hezbollah and is offended by President Bush’s speech in Israel about Obama’s ethos of ‘appeasement.’ So why is he meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important imams and agents in America, Imam Hassan Qazwini? … What was said? I think we can do the math.”

Schlussel went on to accuse Qazwini, without proof, of being “an agent of the Iranian government,” and a supporter of “Palestinian homicide bombings, HAMAS, and Hezbollah.” She added that the Wednesday meeting “says a lot about the company Obama keeps … and why he shouldn’t be President.”

Schlussel also quoted the Detroit Times Free Press article noting the Obama meeting, but omitted the one sentence that undermined her vacuous smear.

The article concluded, “Qazwini has also met several times with President Bush and other elected officials.”

Yep, this allegedly radical, terrorist-supporting agent of Iran is so dangerous, he’s been able to hang out with George W. Bush.

Schlussel’s attack was widely parroted by the far-right, with the usual suspects charactering the Obama meeting as something scandalous. One argued, “BHO isn’t even officially the Democratic nominee yet and already he’s meeting terrorist supporters — and Iran by proxy.”

And none of them though to click the link and read, “Qazwini has also met several times with President Bush and other elected officials.”

Better yet, Oliver Willis posted some photos of Qazwini hanging out with Bush, including one in which the president gives the imam a little smooch on the cheek.

Using the logic of absolute morons like Debbie Schlussel, we can only surmise that President Bush is a secret agent of Iran who wants to force us to gay marry while converting to Sharia law.

Qazwini also recently met with Pope Benedict.

Debbie Schlussel is a mainstream voice on the right. What she says, many of them believe. This is why the rest of us in the real world cannot have a rational conversation with these people.

As the far right slips deeper into madness as the year goes on, the vitriol of their attacks rises, keep this incident in mind. These folks just don’t know what they’re talking about. They’ve replaced reason with rage.

These folks just don’t know what they’re talking about. They’ve replaced reason with rage stupid.

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  • Guess we need to be grateful that even shillary’s fund raisers are getting ready to concede – otherwise, her campaign would be “catapulting” this propaganda too.

  • The right really has nothing left to run on and Obama powerfully threw this in their face last week at a town-hall meeting.

    The slime they throw (or that shillary threw) won’t matter if we can keep it from framing Obama or the issues. There only real hope it so catapult lies (like the “beer factor”) that are later used to distract and justify stolen elections.

    They cannot win on the issues in open, free, fair, and verifiable elections.

  • It’s going to be a long six months until November, but there is only one solution to this drivel. Slam back hard and furious with facts and mockery. We need to be relentless. These “respectable wingnuts” need to be shamed without mercy.

  • axt113 – they can’t actually “win” – they can create the memes that are used to justify election. Unlike Gore and Kerry – Obama has already hit back pretty directly and forcefully, and its only May.

    We do need to be concerned, they are going to do it anyhow, it does appear that Obama has learned from Gore and Kerry – can’t just sit back and hope this goes away.

  • Ad Time:
    I think it is time Obama starts running a series of ads as follows. (I’m giving a print ad — I visualize them better — but this should include complementary tv and, possibly, radio ads with the same theme.)

    ==============================================================
    Top two-thirds: heading:E PLURIBUS UNUM
    picture of twenty people lined up, each identified as a member of a different belief or non-belief, including Catholic, Liberal Protestant, Evangelical Protestant, Reform Jew, Orthodox Jew, Mormon, but also Buddhist, Sikh, Wiccan, Moslem, MCC, and an atheist and an agnostic. Beneath the picture, “We all differ in our beliefs about the ultimate things, yes, but we all believe in the America that gives us the chance to have our differences.
    We also believe that America has been going down the wrong path, that it needs to be brought back to those idea and ideals that made, and that by working together, we can change it back.

    YES WE CAN!

    ———————————————————————————————————- Bottom 3rd Left: each ad features one of the people in the picture, with a statement as to why he supports Obama — at least cueing into his beliefs.

    Bottom 3rd right: OBAMA ’08
    ===============================================================

    (Some, but not all, of the pictures should ‘play against type’ by including an unexpected mix of ethnicity and beliefs, so the Catholic might be Asian, the atheist black, etc.)

    I think it could be one running theme through the entire campaign, the bringing us together, the fact that we ‘don’t need to agree on everything to agree on Obama’ and the line about the coutry ‘going in the wrong direction’ — which keys to the repeated statement that 80% of the country thinks we are. Oh, and the fact that America encourages a diversity of beliefs, of ethnicities, etc.

  • One could argue that meeting with this guy, while fine under normal circumstances, was a dumb move for Obama considering that so many Americans are convinced that he’s a Muslim. I am getting tired of the lack of attacks on McBush, and this won’t help.

  • The article concluded, “Qazwini has also met several times with President Bush and other elected officials.”

    When Debbie Schlussel and her ilk omit inconvenient facts like this one, it isn’t done out of sincere belief in “conservative” or “Christian” principles, and it isn’t done accidentally. It’s nothing more than cynical propaganda. There was more credible information in Stalin-era Pravda than in the right-wing blogosphere.

    Looking for an intellectually honest right-wing blogger? Let me know if you find one.

  • The mainstream right are whipping themselves into a frenzy. Circling the wagons.
    There is an old quip popular among lawyers. If you don’t have the facts, argue the law. If youu don’t have the law, argue the facts. If you have neither the law nor the facts, just argue. Their frenzied attacks are designed to veil the sorry fact that their candidate has nothing to offer the nation.

    What I find unusual is that the attacks on Obama are happening so early. Might be a last ditch effort to resurrect Hillary who, in their estimation might be the weaker candidate in November.

  • The right cabal has probably put out an open contract on the Obama candidacy. Whoever comes up with the spin(or story) that sticks is set for life. Needless to say, truth and ethics are irrelevant. Part of Obama’s campaign should include a daily exposition of the latest dishonesties perpetrated on the American public by the right wing noise machine and not just those directly aimed at him. Obama, himself, should not spend much time on it each day, but a ‘truth squad’ with a credible spokesman could. The people(most of them) are ready for the truth. The right has overplayed its hand and are ripe for a takedown; their contempt for the American people has become too obvious.

  • You know vjack, those who believe he’s Muslim will never be disabused of the notion. Sheesh they still think Jane Fonda’s a communist which is so last millennium. Red Scare scarred brains. Islamic Scare makes them explode.

    He has to address this head-on and in his own very unique way. I may be way off, but I think it’ll work out.

    Sadly what we’ve heard so far are mere preschool hissyfits compared to IEDs they’ll flail at us in the coming months.

  • It’s pretty easy to armchair quarterback this stuff. But for Obama to meet with any Islamic leader after all the “Barack’s a Muslim” disinformation that’s been thrown at him and not have a statement such as, “Like George Bush before him, Barack Obama met today with the blah, blah, Poobah of whatnot…”, is foolish and extremely easy to anticipate. Playing defense is when we end up on the ropes.

    Schlussel’s math is hate + innuendo = another incremental success for Team Propaganda. Obama’s crew needs to lay some better groundwork to avoid giving the assholes opportunities they don’t deserve and from which they can make mountain ranges out of anthills.

  • “Obama’s crew needs to lay some better groundwork”

    So, you’re saying he should refuse to meet with Muslim leaders because it might look bad?

    Um, I don’t know why exactly, but something makes me think that might not play well to the people who are actually likely to vote for Democrats. Refusing to meeting with Muslims because they are Muslim is actually WAY worse than meeting with mainstream Muslim leaders and facing down the bigots who try to make something of it. Assuming you are not just a concern troll, what exactly are you afraid of? The Obama Advantage consists in his refusal to look afraid or guilty when answering racist charges like these. We should not be afraid or guilty either.

  • MB said:

    “What I find unusual is that the attacks on Obama are happening so early.”

    The possibility of this mixed race/black man reaching the presidency in white, Puritan, plutocratic, (5% controls 95% of wealth), America is beyond appalling, to many it’s a sin. It’s a crime against nature. The realization that this could really happen, that the kitchen help could step out of the kitchen and into the drawing room is profoundly shocking and in some circles it must be stopped.

    The Kathleen Parker column discussed yesterday is all about this. It has already gotten too far for many and far from being early, it’s late. If this comes as a surprise, prepare to be shocked because if Op-Ed’s are being published in “mainstream” publications with such a bigoted perspective, behind the scenes much, much nastier stuff is being bandied about.

    Sorry to disagree, but’s it’s not early for Schlussel and Parker. They are behind the curve on this because teeth grinding decency made them hold their tongues/pens for longer than they wanted. And now they are playing catch up with a panicked urgency that will make for sloppy, unintentionally honest and overtly bigoted screeds.

  • 14.
    On May 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, PJ said:

    “Obama’s crew needs to lay some better groundwork”

    So, you’re saying he should refuse to meet with Muslim leaders because it might look bad?

    Did you happen to read the word “anticipate” up there? Groundwork is something you do previous to beginning work and accomplishing something. Groundwork isn’t retreat and it’s not avoidance.

    I said nothing about refusal to do anything. Obama should meet with whoever he deems relevant and productive. But doing that without being prepared for the the bogus and easily ANTICIPATED character smears that will follow closely isn’t beneficial and allows whatever good might have resulted to be negated.

  • DS suffers from intractable iraknuphobia, as do most of the screamers on the nut side of the wing.

  • burro, I am just wondering what makes you think they were not prepared for the bogus character smear. They generally come out with very strong replies, very quickly. That suggests to me they have laid plenty of groundwork.

  • Oxymoron: “Mainstream Rightwing”

    If Debbie Schussel actually is a mainstream voice on the right, they are in more trouble than I realized. She is the very definition of the term “lunatic fringe.” I wonder how I would plan in advance for the type of audacious lying to which Schlussel resorts to catapult her propaganda? She believes that Michigan Muslims are more or less one gigantic terrorist cell that only she has the perspicacity to understand. She is going to criticize any and all efforts to reach out to that community. And she is willing to lie to do so.

  • If this comes as a surprise, prepare to be shocked because if Op-Ed’s are being published in “mainstream” publications with such a bigoted perspective, behind the scenes much, much nastier stuff is being bandied about.

    Actually, this is what I welcome most about this election. Win or lose, right or wrong, right or left, we’re all going to have face up to the ghosts in our closests. Things that have been buried and allowed to fester are going to see the light of day. I personally have faith in the fundamental health of the American enterprise, so I see this as a net positive thing.

    But boy, is it going to get ugly

  • So why is he meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important imams and agents in America, Imam Hassan Qazwini? … What was said? I think we can do the math.”

    Schlussel went on to accuse Qazwini, without proof, of being “an agent of the Iranian government,” and a supporter of “Palestinian homicide bombings, HAMAS, and Hezbollah.”

    I smell a successful libel lawsuit. Or maybe that’s just how Debbie Schlussel always smells.

  • #21 No kidding. Why are “journalists” allowed to lie about people? I’d love to see this imam go after Schlussel.

    I already know Obama will speak out. I love how he’s pushing back to his advantage.

  • Hmmmm, lemme see now:

    1) Obama wants and needs to reach out to people of all faiths, including Muslims.

    2) He meets with an imam in Detroit.

    3) Republicans attack him heavily, claim he shouldn’t have met with the imam.

    4) Republicans have egg on their face when Pres. Bush is shown to have met with and embraced the same imam.

    Gee, what a co-inky-dink.

    People, aren’t you watching Obama run, simultaneously, the most principled and the most brilliant campaign I’ve seen in my lifetime. The man is a master of political ju-jitsu. He rarely attacks his opponents — and when he does, its with quick jabs that leave the target bleeding before she knows she’s been hit.

    What he does, instead, is to goad his opponents into attacking him, and then using that attack against them. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest that Obama chose that imam because he knew about the pictures.

    But there’s another level to his skill. He may infuriate the commentator he shows up, but he also shakes some of the commentator’s faith in the bullsh!t they’ve been hearing. (Remember, a certain portion of the audience of any hate monger follow him or her not because they are stupid, but because they are ignorant. They simply don’t have the facts — facts which are elementary to us — to realize what sort of lies they are being told. And some of them will see this, and begin to re-think other things they’ve accepted. Maybe not a lot — who knows — but certainly some.

  • Wait a second — I thought we all agreed Bush WAS an Iranian agent. He took out rival regimes on Iran’s eastern and western borders. During his presidency, Iranian surrogates Hamas and Hezbollah have been strengthened immeasurably. Meanwhile, Iran continues pursuing a nuclear program, and while Bush does a lot of saber rattling, his incompetent prosecution of the Iraq War has guaranteed that we have neither the manpower nor the international goodwill to confront Iran forcefully.

    Whatever Tehran is paying Qazwini, it’s been money well spent.

    (And yes, I completely ripped this idea off, I think originally from Nick Kristoff.)

  • I don’t believe that “many Americans” believe that Obama is a Muslim. This is just what the right and those already voting against Obama or any dem want to make you believe. The only way to not know it’s a lie is to not want to know. Right wingers pretend innocence as if they didn’t know as reason to suggest others believe it. The press and commenters try to keep it alive as if anyone really thinks it is true. They quote some bigot in WV as proof. Like listening to a KKK sicko saying Obama’s an ape. I mean really…

    It’s like configuring this Republican-Democrat-Republican-Democrat Republican-Democrat adding I’m so sick of the same dynasties running the country as if…

    It amazes me how hard some try to convince me what others “really” believe. I do it bad enough to myself. I found it’s always about 25% who use all information to justify what they have already decided.

    As is being demonstrated, conservatives don’t know when to stop making a bigger ass of themselves. Using the same old personality based attacks no longer work so when they think they are looking strong they merely look petty. Heck of a job there fellas.

  • Burro: I understand your cynicism, but it is completely unfounded. This was a brilliant move by Obama for several reasons. A few of these, in no particular order, are:

    It shows he is serious about being inclusive and making a break from the GOP’s past failures.

    It shows what a pack of hysterical bigots the GOP really are *and* gives Obama a chance to fire back with a huge broadside shot, all the while allowing him to remain smack on the summit of the moral high ground.

    It is a step toward convincing American Moslems that there are American leaders who respect them and are willing to meet them half-way.

    It shows that Obama, who knows perfectly well we he faces from the GOP smear machine, is not afraid to do the right thing despite how they would spin it.

  • So why is he meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important imams and agents in America, Imam Hassan Qazwini? … What was said? I think we can do the math. — Little Debil

    Well, according to some studies, US is not doing all that well in math, so I’d question her abilities in that area. especially given her political “bend”. As for such abstruse areas of study as “political philosophy”, “sociology”, “diplomacy”, not to mention the weird concept of “President of *all* US”… I doubt she’s even heard of them.

    BTW, speaking of prominent Muslims in US… What the heck is Keith Ellison waiting for? I expected him to blow up both houses of Congress long ago; wasn’t that the only reason that the Muslim fanatics like the Imam HASSAN (shoot… almost as bad as Hussein, no?) Quazwini inserted him there, by stealth?

    Geez, but I get tired of all those ignorant little debils…

  • burro said

    “Sorry to disagree, but’s it’s not early for Schlussel and Parker. They are behind the curve on this because teeth grinding decency made them hold their tongues/pens for longer than they wanted.”

    Decency ? Schlussel ? In the same sentence ? Please. Parker, perhaps, but only because I’m not familiar with her.

    Behind the curve ? Sure. They haven’t manufactured this one. It began higher up. The right has a play book for Hillary. Can only play the race card on Obama. Old fashioned fear and loathing.

  • I certainly hope Obama (or his staff) knew there were pictures of Bush kissing this imam. If he didn’t I’m worried.

    The bigotry and hatred hasn’t been contained, and I’m really surprised how blatant it is. But it may peak too early. There’s only so obvious they can get. If that David Duke guy starts holding rallies with the Confederate flag (or his own version of a swastika) all over the south then we know we’ve won. If there is any semblance of a fair, open, credible election (which I doubt we’ve ever had), with a lot of young people voting, the old AmeriKKKa will have to hol’ up in a cave somewhere in Mississippi.

  • This is the type of dodge/parry/thrust that will be necessary in the coming months and years in dealing with the evil that is the Republikanner Beast and their winged, sycophantic simian pests—and Obama does this with a level of journeyman’s expertise well beyond his meager time in the US Senate. One can only wonder just what he’ll be capable of as a president—and what America will be capable of in the years to come, as the foul stench and stain that is the Bush/McCain nightmare finally comes crashing down around the remains of the GOP’s greasy carcass. Bit by bit, Obama is beginning to turn the tide against these wretched Bushylvanians; these “faux patriots” who use flag-pins and photo-ops and lies piled upon lies to camouflage the fact that they—the GOP and their profiteering allies—are the true appeasers, giving the Republic away to their hyper-wealthy friends and corrupt cronies on an almost-hourly basis.

  • This has got to truly piss of the social conservatives– the GOP’s new “American Families Agenda” doesn’t even mention abortion or “protecting marriage.” Bizarre.

    Instead it says things like “provide a family-friendly work week.” (Not sure what that means to the GOP, but it’s not something you ever hear them ever talk about.) Apparently their old “traditional family values” schtick is being exchanged for Dem-like talk about health care and reducing the cost of education.

  • Danimal said:

    “Slam back hard and furious with facts and mockery.”

    Unfortunately, for you….. the facts make you look like raving nutters. Please stop confusing what you call facts with what the other 90% of the free world recognizes as opinions.

  • Obamination–The fact is that the iman has met with the Barack Obama, Pope Benedict and President Bush. He is a respected man of faith. Nobody has presented a shred of evidence (aka facts) that he is an agent of the Iranian government.

    The implication that Obama is having a secret meeting with a shady Iranian agent is an opinion that is worthy of mockery. Present the supporting facts (if there are any) and let the people of the world make an informed opinion. Conservates used to understand the importance of empiricism and intellectual integrity. What happened to those days?

  • ” So why is he meeting with one of Hezbollah’s most important imams and agents in America, Imam Hassan Qazwini? … What was said? I think we can do the math.”

    bush and cheney have visited Saudi Arabia 3-times this year…

    that’s gwb in Jan. and May…cheney in March…

    3-times in 5-months…

    oil hit a record price after each visit…

    do the math…

  • Not to defend Debbie Schlussel, but in all fairness, she has talked about Bush meeting with this Iman:

    Can you explain this Iman’s associations with Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah?
    The following article contains a photo of Imam Hassan Qazwini meeting with Fadlallah.

    Is it possible that she is right about him?

    Just because she’s a right-winger, it doesn’t mean she’s wrong all the time.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/extremist_imamb.html

    Debbie Schlussel: Extremist Imam/Bush Buddy: “Bush Told Me Christians Are Extremists Like Muslims, Appointed Spence Abraham For Us”

    By Debbie Schlussel

    I’ve written a lot about Imam Hassan Qazwini (see here, also), the extremist Imam and friend of President George W. Bush, who runs the largest mosque in North America, the Islamic Center of America in Dearbornistan.

    In 1998, the mosque–then in Detroit–was the first mosque to which I went undercover. I wrote about it in The Detroit Newsistan, before the paper became Muslim-occupied territory under such boneheaded individuals as editorial page editor Nolan Dhimmi Finley. At the time, the mosque hosted Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who delivered a long hate-filled rant against Jews and Christians (and in praise of Saddam Hussein). When Farrakhan called Jewish Americans “forces of evil” with a “Satanic mentality.” Imam Qazwini and his congregants gave him a standing ovation. That’s not to mention that the Imam and other Muslim officials introduced Farrakhan as “our dear brother” and “a freedom fighter.”

    Imam Qazwini is also tight with Hezbollah spiritual leader, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, who issued the fatwa to blow up 300 U.S. Marines and embassy officials in 1983. Qazwini is tight with the Ahmadinejad government of Iran and is an open supporter of Hezbollah, HAMAS, and every other terrorist group you can think of (though he claims–like they all claim–that he is against Al-Qaeda).

    That’s why I was disgusted when I learned in late 2000 (right after he was declared the winner of the Presidential elections), that President Bush invited Imam Qazwini (more than once) to his Crawford, Texas ranch to help design his “faith-based funding” program. Qazwini’s background was well known, but the Bush camp–including the President, himself–did not care. They embraced Qazwini, anyway. And they put Qazwini front and center, next to Bush, at his January 2001 press conference announcing the faith-based funding tax-money giveaway. I wrote about this here.

    Now, Qazwini has a new book out, “American Crescent,” to which I am not linking because I do not want to help the sales of this extremist (or the clickover rate to his book listing online, which helps in the sales rankings). While Qazwini is a BS artist, there are items in the book which I believe–the parts about Qazwini’s buddy, President George W. Bush.

    Qazwini details to him how Bush compared Christian “extremists” with Muslim terrorists and how Bush agreed to appoint Spencer Abraham (now one of three “National Co-Chairs” of Fred Thompson’s Presidential campaign) to his cabinet to serve yet again (as he had in the U.S. Senate) as the Muslims “emissary” a/k/a waterboy:

    The book Qazwini describes meetings with Bush, including one in 2000 that was held weeks before the presidential election. Qazwini writes that Bush told him and others at the meeting that it was wrong to stereotype Muslims as extremists.

    Bush also talked about his love of Lebanese food, Qazwini wrote, and said there was no division between Muslims and Christians.

    “There are some Muslims who create trouble, but the majority are good people, just as there are some Christians who create trouble even though most are good,” Qazwini quoted Bush as saying. “People talk of Muslim extremists? Come with me to Texas, and I’ll show you the Christian extremists.”

    In the same meeting, Qazwini said he asked Bush to name a liaison to the Muslim community if he were to be elected. Bush replied that he would appoint Spencer Abraham, a Lebanese-American Christian who was then a U.S. senator from Michigan.

    “He will be your key to the White House,” Qazwini wrote, quoting Bush.

    After the election, Bush named Abraham as his secretary of energy.

    “The president had kept his word,” Qazwini wrote.

    It is because of hundreds of actions like these in Bush’s first administration that I now feel I can reveal that I did not vote for George W. Bush in 2004. I was so disgusted with his “outreach” to–and even White House employment of–Muslim extremists and open terrorism supporters that I chose to throw my vote away and vote Libertarian.

    No I am not a Libertarian. I considered the vote the same as voting for Mickey Mouse or Daffy Duck. But I could not vote for Bush twice in a row. And I certainly would never vote for John Kerry. But I would not vote for a man who not only hangs with the man who cheers Hezbollah and thinks Jews are “forces of evil” with a “Satanic mentality,” but invites him to the ranch to design the giveaway of millions of U.S. tax dollars. It’s unconscionable. And it’s how I will remember George W. Bush. (I live in Michigan, where I knew both Gore and Kerry would win resoundingly anyway, so it didn’t matter that much and wouldn’t decide the election.)

    Frankly, with GWB in the White House, we didn’t do much better than Kerry. Did we? I don’t know about you, but I don’t think we deserved a President–of ANY party–who compares Christians to Muslim extremists.

    Sickening. Which of the Republicans running this time won’t act like this? Hard to tell if there are any (other than Duncan Hunter who isn’t really in the running).

    Posted by Debbie on January 7, 2008 01:54 PM to Debbie Schlussel

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