Obama’s selective willingness to ‘fight back’

Slate’s John Dickerson had an interesting item last night that seemed to summarize the conventional wisdom on intra-party criticism pretty well.

The Clinton team is setting the same trap for Obama my 4-year-old sets for her older brother. She hits him knowing that he’ll get in trouble for hitting back. Right on cue, Clinton’s senior aide Ann Lewis set it up. “I didn’t realize their version of new politics was to recycle old Republican tactics,” she said. If voters put both campaigns in the corner for a timeout, it may hurt Obama more because his claim to be a new kind of above-the-fray candidate means he’s held to a higher standard. If Obama pays no penalty for the fracas, the Clinton folks still take him for a roll in the dirt where he can’t offer his appealing message of hope, change, inspiration, and hope. Clinton, by contrast, reinforces her fighter image.

This is not a new dilemma for Obama. We’ve been talking [about] it for a year. What’s new is that he is under more pressure than ever to punch back. It’s not just that he can’t let Clinton’s attacks hang in the air. He has to show Democrats that he’s a fighter, too…. If he’s going to be the nominee, he’s going to face a lot worse from Republicans — and the barrage will be constant if he’s president.

This is pretty much what everyone knows to be true — Clinton engaged Obama, Obama tried to stay above the fray, Clinton prevailed. Obama therefore is expected to pull off a tricky move — go negative on Clinton while a) enduring Clinton’s mockery about “abandoning the politics of hope”; and b) sticking to the positive message that has gotten him to this point.

But when I read Dickerson’s item last night, I paused on a couple of points that didn’t seem quite right. Obama, for example, “has to show Democrats that he’s a fighter.” That’s true, but I couldn’t help but notice that when Republicans started treating him as the likely nominee, and McCain and Bush started taking a few shots, Obama fought back quickly and quite effectively. (The dust up over al Qaeda in Iraq last week comes to mind.) There didn’t seem to be any hesitation at all.

With this in mind, the problem isn’t necessarily that Obama is reluctant to get aggressive, it’s that he’s reluctant to get aggressive with his Democratic rival.

To be sure, Obama hasn’t exactly been playing bean-bag with Clinton, but I think it’s fair to say that Obama, especially since Super Tuesday, has been restrained in going after his Democratic rival. He had the luxury of doing so — he was winning and had less of an incentive to launch attacks. Clinton needed to catch up, so she became rather relentless. No big mystery here.

On this point, Dickerson argued that Obama has to be able to endure Clinton’s “kitchen-sink strategy,” because it’s only going to get worse. Republicans won’t hold back in the fall, and their unhinged attacks will be more belligerent than anything he’s seen from Clinton. Clinton’s attacks, the theory goes, are a test of sorts — either they’ll “toughen him up” or he’ll fail before it’s too late. If he can’t take it in March, October will be a nightmare.

But just how similar are the circumstances? Jonathan Chait makes a compelling case.

[H]er attacks on Obama are not a fair proxy for what he’d endure in the general election, because attacks are harder to refute when they come from within one’s own party. Indeed, Clinton is saying almost exactly the same things about Obama that McCain is: He’s inexperienced, lacking in substance, unequipped to handle foreign policy. As The Washington Monthly’s Christina Larson has pointed out, in recent weeks the nightly newscasts have consisted of Clinton attacking Obama, McCain attacking Obama, and then Obama trying to defend himself and still get out his own message. If Obama’s the nominee, he won’t have a high-profile Democrat validating McCain’s message every day.

Second, Obama can’t “test” Clinton the way she can test him. While she likes to claim that she beat the Republican attack machine, it’s more accurate to say that she survived with heavy damage. Clinton is a wildly polarizing figure, with disapproval ratings at or near 50 percent. But, because she earned the intense loyalty of core Democratic partisans, Obama has to tread gingerly around her vulnerabilities. There is a big bundle of ethical issues from the 1990s that Obama has not raised because he can’t associate himself with what partisan Democrats (but not Republicans or swing voters) regard as a pure GOP witch hunt.

There’s no reason to think that dynamic will be at all similar in the fall. Obama’s willingness to be confrontational with Republicans seems quite healthy, and I haven’t seen any serious suggestion he’d play patty-cakes with McCain while the Republican Smear Machine is punching him in the mouth. Indeed, the dynamic may very well prove to be the opposite — the GOP will go after Clinton on issues Obama is afraid to touch, meaning she’d have to endure attacks for the first time.

Maybe Obama will effectively engage Clinton in the coming weeks, maybe not. Time will tell. But either way, looking at this as a proxy for what might happen to Obama in the fall seems like a mistake.

Given whatClinton has been doing with her praise of McCain and such, – proving herself to be an avaricious traitor willing to destroy the party for her overweening ego – what we need is for Obama to punch her right in her glass jaw and put her lights out.

  • Excellent post, CB. One distinction I make in my mind is Clinton-bashing vs Clinton-criticizing. The tax return issue is not part of the old Clinton attacks. Her pimping McCain is a new issue. She’s crossed the line for me and needs to be attacked on valid issues. Obama has the lead. Unfortunately it seems that now he has to run for the Superdelegate approval (which I hate). I call that moving the goal posts on him.

  • Exactly. It seems to me that Obama is willing to be the good Democrat. Hillary Clinton is not. at this point, since Clinton can’t catch up mathematically (or its incredibly unlikely), my only question is whether the party will allow her to so damaged Obama that he’ll have difficulty against McCain.

  • “because she earned the intense loyalty of core Democratic partisans …”

    This is a key strength of Hillary’s and probably the true asset in her experience argument: she’s had the time to get connected into the system and get friends in high places. Though at a time when we’ve seen our current administration take insiderism to a new, absurd plateau, I don’t think being the consummate insider is necessarily the best thing in a leader who will need to have the courage to make aggressive changes to fix this broken nation.

  • Why doesn’t Obama just call Hillary out on attacking him on “Security” and tell the Democratic party what we are all thinking:Hillary looks like McCain’s top choice for Vice President.

  • I agree completely. You’d be surprised how many Dems I argue with about the lingering effect of Monica Lewinsky if Hillary wound up in the general election. Obama may be unwilling to create a TV ad using Bill Clinton’s deposition and the words, “What will this man be doing in the White House?”, but you can be sure that countless Republican 527s already have the footage picked out.

    Democrats seem to have mass amnesia about the 1990s, which is being promoted by a passive-aggressive Democratic party elite incapable of speaking the truth about the Clintons. The Clintons are nice in the same way that the Godfather is nice. They’ll get you that cushy job if you’re loyal, but they’re not above sticking a horse’s head in your bed as a reminder of what fealty implies.

    I’m beginning to regret Bloomberg’s decision opt out. I need another option for a protest vote if Hillary is the Democratic nominee. I don’t think it’s healthy to stoke Nader’s already over-inflated sense of self.

  • I would love hear Obama say, “We don’t have time to attack each other – we must focus our concerns on overcoming the disasters of Bush and the Republicans that have hurt so many of us. Don’t be distracted by personal and petty politics, join us in change.”

    (Maybe he HAS given that speech, or something like it, and maybe that’s why he’s winning. I hope he sticks to what has been most successful.)

  • What I keep wondering is why can’t Clinton run on her own merits? Why must she attack her Democratic opponent in such a despicable manner? And why don’t her supporters seem to care that she is going to hurt every Democratic candidate down ticket if this continues?

  • Given what Hillary (henceforth known as McCain’s evil underling, (D)arkside), is trying to do, maybe it’s time to reframe this as a fight to restore the Democratic Party to its rightful place in society. When evil must be fought, it must be fought with boundless tenacity, with unbridled fury, and with both malice and intent.

    It is time to slay the Clintonian beast….

  • Obama should avoid the personal nanenanebooboo stuff that Hillary is so unpresidentially engaged in…but attack with facts…and there are lots of facts.

    And concentrate on his presidential opponent, McCain.

    As to Hillary…she is obviously not a Democrat any longer.

  • “Indeed, the dynamic may very well prove to be the opposite — the GOP will go after Clinton on issues Obama is afraid to touch, meaning she’d have to endure attacks for the first time.”

    I know that, but I’ve never seen it spelled out so clearly in so few words. No one seems to remember that the GOP can sleazily attack Clinton day and night, pretty much forever. They’re just not doing it right now, because they want to beat her in November, not now.

    I salute your succinctness!

  • I couldn’t help but notice that when Republicans started treating him as the likely nominee, and McCain and Bush started taking a few shots, Obama fought back quickly and quite effectively. (The dust up over al Qaeda in Iraq last week comes to mind.) There didn’t seem to be any hesitation at all.

    With this in mind, the problem isn’t necessarily that Obama is reluctant to get aggressive, it’s that he’s reluctant to get aggressive with his Democratic rival.

    That’s a stretch, I think. His “getting aggressive” with McCain was largely predicated on McCain having some responsibility for the war and Obama having been against it at the start — that’s just the same response he’s had to, e.g., the 3AM ad and other national security attacks from Clinton. As an Obama-skeptical Democrat, I’d say that the problem is much less Obama’s ability to fight back than his ability to go on the offensive. Fighting back is what we’ve been doing for close to a decade, and it’s gotten us nowhere; the gains we’ve made have come when Republicans tripped over their own feet. Is Obama that kind of fighter? Is Axelrod? He’s made a narrow proactive case for his foreign policy judgment, though he hasn’t really outlined that judgment other than his opposition to the war in 2002 — as far as I can tell, he isn’t expressing a foreign policy ideology. Are there other places where he’s staked out some clear territory and argued for it, making it clear that this is something he’ll fight for as president?

  • I can’t understand how Hilary can win against a man she praises on camera and who has quadruple her federal office experience that she herself said was the only kind that counts.
    UNLESS… She doesn’t plan to win by any method, brokered convention or otherwise.
    If she can claim she would have won in 2008 when she runs in 2012, she’ll have four years of McCain to pick apart and opine on how disappointed she is with how badly she overestimated him. All the campaign kudos of 2008 will be washed away as having given him too much benefit of the doubt. Ammunition in 2008 is worthless in 2012.

    The woman plays politics like most folk shoot pool. It’ snot a bad plan if an eventual win is all that matters.
    Problem is… how many trillions more do we add to the debt and how many thousands of our nation’s warriors get killed, maimed, and sustain brain injuries over the four years it takes to give her the chance she’s REALLY trying for?

    Has she even thought about the potential cost to her immortal soul for this type of Machiavellian behavior? Have any of the DLC stalwarts? Is there no higher goal than personal empowerment?

  • Obama and Clinton started out the primaries with one hand tied behind their backs. Clinton has gotten her other hand loose.

  • The only way Clinton’s attacks make sense is if her corporate masters are insisting on it. Lobbyists don’t care of either Clinton or McCain is President. It will still be the same old same old on K Street. The nightmare scenerio is if Obama wins and turns this country over to its citizens. THAT would be change indeed.

    Hillary Clinton has been bought and paid for by lobbyists and her chumming up to McCain and attacking Obama proves it.

  • There are a couple of major differences between Obama responding to Clinton and Obama responding to McCain.

    Obama now has to be concerned with not alienating Clinton supporters so they will turn out to vote for him in November.

    Obama can more easily campaign against McCain on the issues. Against McCain it is a clear case of currently being against or for the war. Against McCain there is a clear difference on health care, not simply the question of mandates.

  • #16 “Obama now has to be concerned with not alienating Clinton supporters so they will turn out to vote for him in November.”

    Why isn’t Hillary similarly concerned about not alienating Obama supporters? She’s certainly doing a fine job of it.

  • Latest e-mail from Obama says they raised $55 million in February! The Empress was crowing about raising $32 million.

    This ought to be enough to pay for some commercials asking the right questions about the Clintons and pointing them out as the avaricious bastards they are.

  • I keep reading about Obama fighting back, as if he has to engage her in her own game, but if anything marks the Obama campaign thus far, it’s that he’s best when he plays his own game. She brags about experience, he says what matters is judgment. She talks experience, he talks change.

    If he’s smart, and I think he’s very smart, he’ll do the same here — and she’s actually setting herself up for it by filling the airwaves with one attack after another. All he has to do is characterize the totality of what she’s doing as petty, vindictive, destructive, and deceptive, and ask, ‘Is this the best America has to offer? Is this what we can expect for four years if she’s elected? Is this what you want from your president? Is this not the type of politics that keeps us from getting anything done in Washington?”

    I’d go a bit further myself and characterize her praise for McCain as her bid to be his running mate, but that’s only one of many reasons I’m not in the business.

  • Obama needs to show the superdelegates that he can take on John McCain.

    Democrats do not want to see these two candidates beat each other up. He shouldn’t rise to her bait and get into the mud with her. But he has to show that he can go toe-to-toe with McCain.

    Ignore Clinton, go after McCain.

  • Maybe the “Silly Season” of primaries is unofficially over, and now he needs to treat it as though it is in the general’s season with TWO Republican opponents. He could start drawing comparisons with the two; they area starting to look like two peas in a pod.

  • Senator Obama’s campaign is a class act . The Clinton’s are as dastardly as the Republicans and the Clinton’s lack of loyalty to their party shows by the endorsement of John MCCain.

    Senator Obama should use his lead in popular vote and delegates , his advantage against the Clintom mud slinging machine and the endoresement of McCain against the Clintom manipulative machine. Clinton did not win in Texas. She won a few delegates but lost the caucus. It may be a draw in the delegate count there. Senator Obama should use the- NAFTA and contacting Canada that Clinton only used the claim of changing NAFTA as a political ploy and had no intention of changing NAFTA in reality – against her campaign.

    The Clinton’s continually prove the American people are not important. the lies to attain presidency are only important. The Clinton’s are now dissing Obama against MCCain so she can win.This manipulative tactic should enlightened for what it is.This strategy will not work . Obama should use this n his strategy against her without having to lower his sights and class act.

    The Clinton’s do not care about the American people ;; winning and arguing are their goal. The Clintons are using just another page from the book of Karl Rove to win. Just as the REpublican party does not care about Americans , neither does the Clintons care about Americans . The Clinton’s have gone strategically overboard in other campaigns for Health care and lost due to over -manipulation.
    It is occurring again and thankfully she will lose.

    Senator Obama prevail. Americans do not be deceived by the Clinton Mnioulative machine!!!

  • Republicans playing with the 3 am red phone ad:

    Hillary picks it up and it is security saying Bill is naked and drunk in the Lincoln Bedroom.
    Fade out… Special effects tilt her glasses leftward, her head hits the desk…
    Fade in… “John McCain for President” with Bill’s irate voice playing in the background:

    “I want you to listen to me, I am going to say this again: I did not have sex relations with that woman.”

  • Who is on that phone? It’s a lobbyist wanting special favors. Hillary is the one who knows how to repond to that call!

    Carol

  • Why isn’t Hillary similarly concerned about not alienating Obama supporters? She’s certainly doing a fine job of it.

    Because she doesn’t care about November right now.
    Because given the math the only way she can win is to totally destroy him.
    She needs to get 60% of everything left on the table.
    Unless she can make Obama into a monster… that can’t be done.

    And as some have pointed out:

    She increases her chance at 2012 by undermining him in 2008.

  • This is exactly right.

    What Hillary is doing (in part) is trying to cast this primary campaign into a sort of football meme, where it’s midweek, and she’s just playing the role of the other team in an intersquad scrimmage. “See”, she says, “we’re just “vetting” him. Toughening him up. We need to make sure that he’s capable of beating what the other team is gonna be throwing at him”.

    The problem with this meme is that, under the Clinton plan, it is she that takes the field as captain of the Blue team. And when she does, she isn’t going to be be running as a Republican any more.

    Anyone who thinks that she can go mano-a-mano with the GOP, on their terms and in their frame, is kidding themselves (look how well it’s worked out for Reid and Pelosi). And by playing for the scout team during the week, she’s squandered any credibility she might have had to change the dialog, and argue that she really isn’t interested in simply continuing the same old sludge that so many of us are so eager to jettison.

    How does that make sense?

  • I always suspected Hillary Clinton’s true political color. And now it has become clear that she feels more comfortable with McCain than other Democrats including our shining new star ‘Obama’. I bet she won Ohio and Texas (though by a razor thin margin) thanks to those Republicans voting at the Democratic primaries in their collective conspiracy to throw Obama off the platform because, yes, they know deep down, this is the only guy who can trample their old soldier, McCain. Hillary has been very instrumental in this conspiracy.

  • By the way, while I feel that it seems inappropriate that one of Obama’s aides made a comment like that in public, I cannot think of other words that describe this incredibly power hungry and self centered woman better than the word used by that aide. It is just unfortunate that she had to be that frank in public.

  • Obama needs to bring to light why may women do not want her in the white house….because they don’t trust her. She may be capable, but many don’t want a presidency that is trying to make-up for Bill’s disgrace of the office.

  • Clinton’s Experience On WorldStage: “Scant Evidence”

    Chicago Tribune
    March 7, 2008 10:46 AM

    … Pressed in a CNN interview this week for specific examples of foreign policy experience that has prepared her for an international crisis, Clinton claimed that she “helped to bring peace” to Northern Ireland and negotiated with Macedonia to open up its border to refugees from Kosovo. She also cited “standing up” to the Chinese government on women’s rights and a one-day visit she made to Bosnia following the Dayton peace accords.
    Earlier in the campaign, she and her husband claimed that she had advocated on behalf of a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda to stop the genocide there.

    But her involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process was primarily to encourage activism among women’s groups there, a contribution that the lead U.S. negotiator described as “helpful” but that an Irish historian who has written extensively about the conflict dismissed as “ancillary” to the peace process.

    The Macedonian government opened its border to refugees the day before Clinton arrived to meet with government leaders. And her mission to Bosnia was a one-day visit in which she was accompanied by performers Sheryl Crow and Sinbad, as well as her daughter, Chelsea, according to the commanding general who hosted her.

    Whatever her private conversations with the president may have been, key foreign policy officials say that a U.S. military intervention in Rwanda was never considered in the Clinton administration’s policy deliberations. Despite lengthy memoirs by both Clintons and former Secretary of State and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright, any advice she gave on Rwanda had not been mentioned until her presidential campaign.

  • Obama can fight back against Clinton without getting into gutter politics. The key is not to lie about Clinton, or hint that terrorists will eat your children if you make the wrong decision.

    Clinton has given speech after speech harking her 35-years of experience, without ever mentioning what she’s accomplished in those years. The refrain is that “Everybody knows she has experience” – even though we are never told what she’s done. Her team stumbled immediately the first time a reporter bothered to ask for an example of her foreign policy credentials. Obama has to start making that case. Visiting 80 countries doesn’t matter if you were just having tea with the prime-minister’s wife.

    The same goes for her declaration that she’s passed the commander-in-chief test. Did I miss that? When was it exactly?

    And finally Clinton has handed Obama with a pretty strong cudgel by claiming that voters and red states don’t count. Could you be insignificant, too? It looks like he’s finally picking that up in his Mississippi campaign.

    “Now I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of people putting us down….”

    Sell that point and he’ll go from winning those states 60-40 to winning them 80-20.

  • Oops, I seem to have wandered in to a meeting of the HeManHillaryHaters Club (old movies reference). A place where Obama’s gracious comments about McCain are magnamimous and demonstrate his higher character but Hillary’s are treason. A place where a candidate having the temerity to even contend that she’s a better choice for the job than her opponent is evil and divisive. Don’t forget about [insert Republican B.S.]gate here, we have to weigh that too.

    I’ll step back out and rejoin the rest of the world now.

  • Why, HRC doing this for her fellow Democrat, so sad to see this. Please Obama campaign focus on the issue that helps the American people..

  • Oops, I seem to have wandered in to a meeting of the HeManHillaryHaters Club (old movies reference). A place where Obama’s gracious comments about McCain are magnamimous and demonstrate his higher character but Hillary’s are treason.

    Remind me: In Obama’s comments, did he say McCain was better than Clinton?

    No? That seems to be a crucial difference.

  • Someone said it here. The Democrats are in mass collective amnesia. In denial to the Clinton’s.
    People are just starting to wake up from this. She will do anything, anything to win this.
    To the effect that she will destroy Obama’s chances.

  • […] the problem isn’t necessarily that Obama is reluctant to get aggressive, it’s that he’s reluctant to get aggressive with his Democratic rival. — CB

    My husband — a Clinton supporter — watched an Obama interview the other day, with someone called Charlie Gibson (? the only Charlie Gibson I know is Charles Dana Gibson…) and was very favourably impressed with Obama. Apparently, Gibson pushed and pushed quite hard, for Obama to say something really nasty about Clinton, but Obama refused to raise to that bait. When I told my husband about Clinton’s praising McSame as being a better candidate than Obama — something that, apparently, is known only in the blogosphere — his opinion of Obama went up a couple more notches and his opinion of Clinton down by the same measure. He still thinks Clinton has “more experience” but I’m working on that, too. Hopefully, by November, he’ll be able to vote for Obama with pleasure, instead of with resignation…

  • I keep waiting for the point where she’ll acknowledge reality and call off the dogs. But as long as the press covers every utterance from her campaign, no matter how ridiculous, there’s little reason for her to stop. Add to this the fact the party is effectively immobilized by the battle and Dean acts like he’s looking for a bed to hide under. My hope is Obama can win big in Wyoming and Miss. and by doing so, force the media to turn its attention away from the conference call circus long enough to shift the narrative again. Or the media will start to pick up on the tax return/Bill donor story. Obama can’t win this back-and-forth. Not only does it hurt his image as a candidate, the Hillary camp is just better at it. He needs to get out into the small towns of Pa and hang with regular folks, something the media will treat as a radical departure from his big rallies.

  • As a Democrat that has always intended to vote for whichever candidate (Clinton/Obama) gets the nomination…. after this last week of Clinton praising McCain at the expense of Obama ( the comment about Obama = Starr) I will find myself truly holding my nose as I vote if Clinton is the nominee….
    The bottom line is that she has destroyed all credibility to be of support for Obama if he actually is the nominee of the party…. How would she be able to go out on the stump in a general election for Obama with any sort of crediblity that she can be believed after these swipes and especially if it continues…. I have lost a great deal of respect for Senator Clinton and I have always been one to take up the argument for her with a number of independents and even Democrats that have told me with strong disdain “… I could never vote for her….” …. the “Destroy Clinton” at all costs mindset by both the Republicans and media during the Clinton administration had always earned my sympathy for the Clintons…. I have always argued that the negative response to Hillary is just the result of being the “target” of the right wing smear machine for so long…. but her recent attacks really do damage to the party and potentially hurt the Presidential Candidate of the party if Obama is nominated…. My sympathies are beginning to wane…

  • This is an excellent assessment of Obama’s dilemma. Hillary is sounding just like she has been attending Karl Rove University for the past seven years and finally it’s graduation time. It is too sad that people can’t see through the hype. Is a win AT ANY COST worth it? And to think, I used to feel sorry for them!

    Regarding “hiding bill”: It’s just like being pregnant, you can only hide it so long. If they feel there is a need to hide him now, what are they going to do if he make it to the WH? He’s not the basement dwelling type. She can’t hide him forever.

    How many ways has hillary tried to get off the ground? If you have to change that much, who is the REAL hillary? I notice that she is an expert at never answering the question asked of her but always go on and on about something that she want to say that have nothing to do with the question. What’s up with that?

    I dread another four years of the clintons fighting with the republicans.

    I urge the Obama campaign to stick with the message, stay focused and be yourself.

  • Hillary left herself wide open to really obvious criticisms when she decided to align herself with McCain – especially her attitude that if she isn’t the nominee than the race should go to a republican.

    If I were advising Obama, I would urge him to start pushing Superdelegates about this. That Hillary would rather see 4 more years of McBush than victory by anyone else. Obama would certainly be within his right mind to wonder (out loud) what kind of Democrat she is? The Joe Lieberman Kind? I know I certainly was wondering.

    What kind of a party leadership is she demonstrating?

  • I spoke out against rewriting the Clinton legacy, but Obama’s convinced me he doesn’t want to go negative on fellow Dems. At this point, though, Hillary is just slapping around, and it’s a different dynamic. To not hit back at this point is just pathetic.

    And the paradox of fighting back while trying to bring in a “new politics” is exactly the bind he’s put himself in, unfortunately. I always thought the 90s Clintons had it right — they counterpunch better than anybody, but leave them alone, and they talk about what they want to do for the country. Obama needs to do the same — talk hope, but not get pushed around. If you get hurt every time you smack Obama around, he’s more likely to be left alone so he can talk about his vision of a new politics.

    This is the same bind Dems always get themselves in: because they aspire to better, it becomes fair game to go after them, when Republican corruption is just part of their governing philosophy.

    He’s got to figure out how to deal with this, fast.

  • I spoke out against rewriting the Clinton legacy, but Obama’s convinced me he doesn’t want to go negative on fellow Dems. At this point, though, Hillary is just slapping around, and it’s a different dynamic. To not hit back at this point is just pathetic.

    And the paradox of fighting back while trying to bring in a “new politics” is exactly the bind he’s put himself in, unfortunately. I always thought the 90s Clintons had it right — they counterpunch better than anybody, but leave them alone, and they talk about what they want to do for the country. Obama needs to do the same — talk hope, but not get pushed around. If you get hurt every time you smack Obama around, he’s more likely to be left alone so he can talk about his vision of a new politics.

    This is the same bind Dems always get themselves in: because they aspire to better, it becomes fair game to go after them, when Republican corruption is just part of their governing philosophy.

    He’s got to figure out how to deal with this, fast.

  • It is discouraging to read endless tracts from the “netroots” about the “conventional wisdom” and the power of the media to set the “frames” for our political discourse – and then to see the netroots commentators obediently parroting those “frames” that suit their own ideology – as, for instance, the idea that Hillary Clinton is conniving, has “descended” to “negative attacks” on Obama, and Obama is about change and stands for a “more positive” kind of politics. The Clinton campaign has a website detailing Obama’s perfectly ordinary dirty attack politics that pre-date his announcement for the presidential nomination – http://attacktimeline.com/ – and anyone with an ear and a willingness to believe your lying eyes can detect the Obama campaign’s snarky and snide attacks from his first speeches and debates to the present. It’s called “dogwhistle” or “threshold” communication – comments carefully crafted to irritate those who focus on an issue, in this case feminists, but which seem inoffensive to the average person. Comments that seem inoffensive, but take root in the latent sexism of the culture. Examples: Obama’s remarks about “Hillary” “baring her claws” or having one of her “mood swings.” Senator Clinton has had to deal with this under-the-threshold snot from the first days of the campaign, but it is incontrovertable conventional dogma, that she is “attacking” and Obama has to choose, poor thing, between “maintaining” a positive message or defending himself. (Blech)

    The sad, unglamorous truth is that the roots of both Clinton and Obama lie in the conservative end of the Democratic party; they are both ambitious politicians who have hired elite Democratic consultants to structure their strategy and tactics. They try to exaggerate their differences, but on the issues there is hardly a hair’s breadth between them. The primary distinction is that over many years, Senator Clinton has slowly learned life’s lesson that politics matters and people really need political solutions and democratic change – and Senator Obama has brought charisma and celebrity into politics to a degree matched only by Ronald Reagan. He is NOT more liberal than Clinton; he is NOT a nicer guy (I guess), and he does NOT stand for a higher, better brand of politics. Saying it does not make it so.

    I don’t care if Ms. Power is fired or resigns or stays on the Obama campaign, but her comment is instructive; she could hardly blurt out that kind of language if the idea was not current in her milieu, although she may have been naive enough to think, momentarily, it was OK to say it in public. The monster concept, if not the word, is built into Obama’s speeches, his supporters’ screeds on the internet and in my office, and the media coverage of the campaign: An ambitious woman who fails to step gracefully aside when Prince Charming appears is a monster. Must be. There is no other possibility. Once you get that part, all of the rest, from foreign-policy experts to bloggers to Drudge, makes perfect sense. Check the above comments. It’s all there.

  • Brownell, your 3 paragraph comment exhibits a degree of blindness that I’ve seen a lot of in supporters on both sides of this Democratic primary. The problem is that we typically take on the words and talking points of our favored candidates – and the result is a perceived lack of original thought from supporters. I, myself, am guilty of this. And so are you. You speak of “obediently parroting those “frames” that suit [commentators’] ideology” – and then you do the same, as you link to one of your candidate’s smokescreen attempts at going on the attack by playing the victim card. When I look at the Clinton campaign’s Attack Timeline, I see a list of fair statements for any political campaign – yet the site purports to convince voters that Clinton is being treated unfairly by her competition. Really, Brownell? Is that really a tactic with which you’re willing to qualify your position against “frames” that “suit [supporters’] own ideology”?

    I know our opinions about the right candidate are deeply ingrained. There is little I can say in argument that would soften your resolve – and in fact, by expressing my contrary opinion, I’m quite sure I’m emboldening yours. That’s the danger of our current political climate. . . . We’re being divided within our own party. You suggest looking at blog comments to see signs of parroting and hypocrisy – but I suggest you do the same in identifying your like-minded brethren. And while you’re at it – note how the tone of each candidate’s campaign seems to be adopted by its supporters. It’s a striking example of how a leader’s political discourse does have a powerful affect on its electorate, whether that be one of positivity, or negativity.

  • Pennsylvania Governor Edward Rendell is absolutely right. Hillary Clinton, together with her de facto running mate, husband Bill, is a formidable fighter.

    Recall how she retained a private detective to dig up dirt on the women seduced by Bill; how she fired long-standing employees in the White House travel office to give the jobs to her supporters; how she put Marines in their place by making them serve as waiters and busboys; how she browbeat and cussed out her staff; how she rebuked any underling who dared to make eye contact with her; how she and Bill ordered IRS audits on their critics; how they backstabbed and betrayed fellow Democrats (small wonder so many are supporting Obama).

    Then there are the deaths of Vince Foster and some 50 others by suicide, murder, accidents and sudden illnesses—a body count unmatched by any administration in American history.

    Then, last but not least, is the way she has cowed the news media into imposing a gag order on itself. Had a Butler University student not brought up the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and had not the CBS tape of her bullet-dodging story in Bosnia come to light, the news media would have given the Clintons a smooth, free ride to the nomination and, probably, to the White House.

    Yes, Hillary Clinton is one hell of a fighter—tough, smart, unyielding, as the Governor says. Precisely the kind of leader our nation needs in these troubled times.

  • The main reason Barack Obama lost Pennsylvania and, if he doesn’t wake up, could lose Indiana, North Carolina and, ultimately, the popular Democratic vote as well, is that he’s coming across as a wimp.

    His association with the fanatical Jeremiah Wright, his serving on a board with the terrorist William Ayers, his marriage to a less than patriotic woman, his alleged elitism has provided much fodder for talk show hosts and the news media. They’ll be feeding off it for months to come.

    But for the blue collar crowd Obama needed to win over in Pennsylvania little of that mattered. Obama lost their vote because throughout that sham ABC debate in Philadelphia a week before the Hillary Clinton relentlessly beat up on him, like the gutter fighter she is, and he meekly took it. He could easily have crushed once and for all by dredging up the well-documented sleaze and corruption of the Clinton years, but he wouldn’t.

    His forbearance, if that’s what it was, may be perceived as strength by his more affluent, better educated supporters, but to the former mill workers in Pennsylvania struggling to make ends meet, it was a sign of weakness. Those folk may not be well versed in economics and foreign affairs, but they know from experience that the world is a tough place and that when diplomacy fails, as it often does, a Commander in Chief needs to have the grit it takes to wield a big stick. If Obama can’t put Hillary and her de facto running mate, husband Bill, in their place, how can he be expected to deal with the likes of Chávez, Ahmadinejad, Sadr, and Kim Jong? Guys of that ilk are no Dali Lamas.

    If Barack Obama doesn’t start showing some grit real soon, then he should step aside and let John McCain deal with the Clintons. The old warrior isn’t going to take any gruff from them.

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