Obama’s ‘waste’ gaffe

In New Hampshire over the weekend, Barack Obama told an audience that “we ended up launching a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged, and to which we now have spent $400 billion and have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted.”

It was a well-received comment in a well-received speech. No one seemed to think much of it, right up until several far-right observers said, “Wasted?”

Conservative blogs pounced, mainstream reporters caught wind of the outrage, and Obama backpedaled yesterday, saying, “I realized I had misspoken,” even as he uttered the words.

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois said Monday that he had misspoken when he suggested that the lives of more than 3,000 American soldiers killed in Iraq had been “wasted.”

As he arrived in New Hampshire, Mr. Obama said he would “absolutely apologize” to military families if they were offended by a remark he made in Iowa while criticizing the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.

“What I would say — and meant to say — is that their service hasn’t been honored,” Mr. Obama told reporters in Nashua, N.H., “because our civilian strategy has not honored their courage and bravery, and we have put them in a situation in which it is hard for them to succeed.”

That’s a fair response. Sometimes, the quickest way to make a mini-flap go away is to acknowledge poor word choice, apologize, and move on. The matter is resolved; there’s not much more for Obama’s critics to whine about.

But I’m wondering: is what Obama said that bad?

Obviously, the notion that Americans who make the ultimate sacrifice for their country are “wasted” deaths is discomforting. It suggests that their lives have been lost in vain. No matter what anyone thinks of the war, it’s painful to think Americans have died for no reason, or worse, for a bad reason.

That said, at a certain level, some of this is difficult to get around. The war in Iraq did not need to be fought. The president made a tragic, painful mistake, and compounded it with four years of additional heartbreaking mistakes. Doesn’t this mean that lives are being “wasted” in Iraq?

In this context, “waste” isn’t defined as having been drained of meaning. The lives of the troops — their honor, their courage, their willingness to heroically put their lives on the line — are imbued with value by virtue of their decisions. But it’s not necessarily offensive to their memory to question the value of what they were asked to do.

Michelle Malkin, who helped bring Obama’s comments to the media’s attention, said his remarks were “patronizing, infantilizing, and insulting” to the troops. Nitpicker did a good job explaining why this just isn’t so.

A closer look, however, reveals that Malkin’s childish fuming is just another version of Bush’s spin point: That only by “winning” the war in Iraq can we ” honor” the service members already killed in his war.

When you consider this logical result of this construct, though, Bush and Malkin are saying that those soldiers deaths — and, by extension, their service and lives — only have meaning if the war is just and finished properly. As Malkin’s anti-Catholic little buddy Allahpundit tried to spin it, those of us who oppose the war all think that soldiers lives are being wasted, but we “can’t say that because it dishonors the dead so they’re forced into rhetorical pretzels…”

I’m comfortable with how Obama handled this, but his comments need not have been considered offensive.

They are wasted lives. Just like the 55,000 killed in Vietnam. Both wars were unworthy of one life lost.

Of course the right wing assholes who never serve would jump on this. They have to protect their crime and cover it up with propaganda.

  • Where was the RW when GWB made a comment about troop deaths only being a COMMA

    I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there’s a strong will for democracy.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8551.html

    Same thing right??

    Bravo to Obama for responding so quickly …..

    Rapid response with this RW nonsense (blogger gate, plane gate, madrrasa gate, black enough gate….etc) is key

    ….these allegations must be killed by the end of the news cycle or FOX and CNN will drag them out for an entire week….

  • But I’m wondering: is what Obama said that bad?

    My response to that was “Damn straight their lives were wasted!”

    In terms of any of our proclaimed strategic goals, ie. creating a stable democracy, driving out the terrorists, and eliminating a threat to world peace, Bush’s vile war has done the opposite on each count. But we got Saddam! We sure got him good. I guess that’s all that really matters to the right-wingers and all Bush really cared about. That and maybe a war for its own sake.

    We need to realize that the Malkins, etc, don’t care about honoring the soldiers sacrifices at all, or about winning the war any more than continuing it. It’s just like the tax cuts; the justification has shifted countless times but the goal remains the same. They are not a part of the reality-based community, they are ideologues and their ideology drives their “reality”.

  • Tom and Barrack are absolutely and unequivocally correct. Those lives were wasted to line the pocketbook’s of the already wealthy and fluff the ego of the psychopath in chief.

  • I can’t help but notice this closely follows of a long string of right-wing-driven “controversies”. In terms of driving the media debate, I see no indication that we’ve gained anything. What are we going to do about this? When can we start determining the “controversy” du jour?

  • The Republicans who support this war aren’t sending their kids to be wasted either.

    The word has meaning, because of the lies they told to get this thing started. If they don’t like people using words like “wasted” then they should not support wars based on lies.

  • Dems need to start standing up to this horsesh*t and fast. And there is some truth to the idea that it might be best if the Dem campaigns stick together on this type of crap–all of them come out and hammer the accusers and not each other. Show they have cojones. And they should call these clowns for what they are.

  • Where were the rightwingers when Bush made jokes about not finding WMD in Iraq? The media never made much of that.

  • Dead is dead, and we only get one chance at life. Dying young is a waste, and dying in a stupid, unjust war is a TOTAL WASTE. When will progressives and our liberal organizations start to pick apart every comment by these hateful Republicans?!

  • Is there a point where a politician will actually run into the face of these pseudo controversies and call them for the frauds that they are? This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that freaks the netroots out. He said the right thing. The lives were wasted. The fact that they were worth so much and were given through sacrifice so noble only makes the betrayal of trust inherent in the waste that much more tragic.

    Right wing attacks should be seen increasingly as a chance to pound points home. Every attack is just an opening to point out the dishonesty and sheer wrongheadedness of the attackers. When they assert that saying the lives were wasted, the response is “It truly is offensive that the President wasted the lives of your sons and daughters who chose to serve so nobly. However, the fact that his actions were so reprehensible only makes it more important that I point out his flawed policy for what it is.”

  • “Wasted” is exactly the right word. And I’d apply the word to the wounded and many survivors. It reminds me of the Kerry line about low-achieving students going to Iraq. Kerry was right then and Obama is right now.

  • I wonder if there’s a weird sort of semantic difference in the way people view that statement. My take (and probably Obama’s) is that these soldiers were sacrified (killed) for a flawed cause – that is, they gave their life for a stupid cause. You can argue about the cause, but it says nothing about the soldiers themselves.

    Many people might conflate ‘wasted life’ with the TOTAL life of the soldier, i.e. “I spent 30 years watching reruns of ‘I Love Lucy’ on the couch – I’ve wasted my life.” Here ‘life’ refers to the totality of the soldier’s life, and sounds a lot more like a criticism of the soldier.

    I wonder if Obama would have garnered as much outrage if he said, “These soldiers were killed for a failed cause”, or “The sacrifices of these soldiers have been wasted.”

  • When you consider that Iraq might be the greatest strategic disaster in the nation’s history – according to Bill Odom – I think “waste” may even be understating the utter pointlessness of our soldiers’ sacrifices.

  • Quick! Turn on the Distractovision!

    We’re in the middle of a war where people’s lives have been wasted because some lying shrimp dick SWORE Saddam Hussein had big honking WMD stock piles. But that’s not insulting. Neither is Rumfilled sneering “You go to war with the army you got,” in response to soldiers who were dying because someone neglected to equip them properly. I wonder what they troop lovers in rightwing nutjob land have to say about ShrubCo’s (TM) desire to cut funding for the VA?

    [crickets chirp]

    These guys live on the line between laughable and loathsome.

  • I have to say that I really like how Obama has responded to attacks so far. His rebuke of Faux News, his retort to Australia’s Howard that he could send 20,000 more troops, and his deft handling of this. He shouldn’t have to explain, but he was right to do so. I’m liking this guy.

  • My preference would be for these politicians to stop allowing themselves to be yanked into apologizing every time the right thinks they should, and start turning the focus where it belongs.

    Obama could have said: “In my remarks, I said that we had seen over 3,000 lives wasted in the Iraq war, and some have found that offensive. The lives of our men and women in uniform are precious, not only to their families and loved ones, but to the American people and the country they serve. They honor their oath to serve and willingly go where they are sent, even when that is into harm’s way.

    Now, if you tell me that the electronics store has big-screen TVs on sale for half price, and I go there and find that not to be the case, I might say that the exercise was a waste of time. If I watch an infomercial about a revolutionary product, send in my money and find that the product does not perform as advertised, I might say that was a waste of money. Time and money have value, and to say that they were wasted is to express regret that a precious commodity was spent for naught.

    Human life has value, too. The lives of our men and women in uniform are valuable, and should be safeguarded and protected from harm. You do that by first, never sending them into harm’s way without certainty that the premise is correct, and if you do have to send them into conflict, you make sure they have the best equipment available.

    In this case, the premise for war was manufactured out of whole cloth, and this commander in chief sent them into battle without the proper equipment, so he has failed these men and women in every way that a commander can. The lives that have been lost have been wasted, spent by this commander recklessly and irresponsibly. That their lives have been lost in this way does not take away from the honor with which they served, nor the regard we have for that service. It was not their fault that their commander in chief abused his power and sent them to fight in a war that should never have been fought, but it is a mistake to think that more honor can come to these men and women by asking others to continue to sacrifice themselves for a flawed policy and a flawed plan.”

    How hard would that be?

  • I would say the efforts of the soldiers were wasted and it’s quite possible they died in vain. Those men and women did not die to protect you and me and that’s a certainty. Obama’s original use of the term “wasted” obviously hit the reichwing square in the solar plexus. I imagine they are seriously worried that others think and feel the same as Obama and the comments heretofore reinforce that conclusion. If Obama feels their lives were given in vain, how many others think the same?

    As a public figure all his comments will be subject to scrutiny and/or attack by craven gasbags such as Malkin. How he handles it will be indicative of his behavior in the Oval Office.

  • most of us here are probably comfortable with Obama’s original formulation, but I do not think less of him for backing off and clarifying on this one. He has shown he does not knee-jerk apologize everytime a wingnut goes off. but here, whether defensible or not, he used a term that will get the backs up of many otherwise reachable military families suffering loss. to have fought for the use of the term “wasted,” when he can explain the same concept in a different way, would have been a silly fight, fun for purists but exceedingly bad politics. I am very comfortable with how Obama handled this one – the speed, the tone, the wording (although he still should consider hiring Anne, who did even better.)

  • I think the reason we can’t say soldiers’ lives were wasted is because everyone wants to keep this illusion of noble sacrifice going so they are assured of new highly motivated cannon fodder for the next “adventure”. How much is all government dependent on having kids willing to die?

    For all her flaws, one thing I did like about Ayn Rand was that she said right out that you don’t owe your life to the State.

  • To look at this situation, who’s playing the right wing’s playbook better? Did Malkin win for getting Obama to say he misspoke? Or was it Obama for getting the message out there in the first place loud and clear and then mollifying the easily offended righties with a clarification less offensive to them? I think Obama gets to be the winner in this round. He played the game well, even though I really hate this game of always saying things to appease the right … especially when the right is wrong.

  • *delurks after years of reading*

    @ Anne (17):

    That’s too long, I fear, for this age of soundbites. Besides, the wingnuts would find another ridiculous reason to jump on it. “Obama’s comparing our troops to big-screen TVs!”, for instance.

    How about rephrasing the “wasted” comment as something like “The Bush Administration is discarding American lives”? This could be followed by various scathing indictments of the war, but it gives a good soundbite.

  • The soldiers have not wasted their own lives, but they have been wasted by this administration. Indeed many served in order to honor and serve their country, and become fuller persons capable of contributing to our society. But through no fault of their own, they ultimately served only an ill considered, poorly implemented, mainly politically motivated policy. The waste is not that nothing was accomplished, but that their individual accomplishments in aggregate have not honored or served the country. And now that they have passed, their net contributions to society, once infinite in potential, are now finite.

  • i am fucking sick and tired of listening to dem candidates defend themselves and run scared over these endless, stupid, malicious and disingenuous right wing attacks. it doesn’t matter what considered response one makes or how carefully phrased the apology, there will just be another ginned-up controversy tomorrow. it makes dems look (and hey, perhaps they are) weak and cringing. the best defense is a good offense. there should be a file on every single one of these right wing wankers full of their own despicable opinions and comments prepared and ready to be used right back at them. reply with an attack. blow it back in their faces. honestly, we are headed for another defeat in ’08 if these guys doesn’t get their shit together soon. that is all.

  • So, by this same logic, if a conservative complains about the money “wasted” on a social program then he or she shows a “patronizing, infantilizing, and insulting view” towards the American dollar?

    “Waste” doesn’t in any way denigrate the value of what was lost, it is rather a criticism of the decision(s) that caused it to be lost. How retarded does one have to be not to understand that?

  • What Suzanne said. Isn’t there at least one big-name Republican who said he didn’t want to risk wasting his life in Viet Nam?

    It’s sure as hell what they were *thinking*, as Dick “Five Deferments” Cheney can tell you.

  • A civilized democracy does not honor the willingness of young men and women to sacrifice their lives for their country by taking them up on the offer to prosecute a war of aggression. The offer is noble, the abuse of it is vile.

  • Of course those lives had been wasted. Those soldiers could have raised families. Could have worked to keep our economy humming not via the stock market but through contributing something of of real value. And now they won’t, because they’d been sent into a meatgrinder, betrayed by old men who were chasing some wet dream of their own. How’s that *not* a waste of potential?

  • Absolutely agree with #25

    Enough of the defensive posturing….

    every damn week Conservatives come out with some baseless or trivial crap and DEMS have to defend themsleves

    Enough…it is time to go on the offensive and start by educating the American people on the true damage the Republican Congress and this Adminstration have made over the last 6 years in respect to the Iraq War….you could start with

    1. Support the Troops – Repubs have cut Vets health care funding time after time and Bush’s newest budget has it plain as day…why???

    2. Body Armor – where the hell is it….????

    3. Govermental fraud/Contractor Fraud – the party of fiscal responsilbility has allowed billions of taxpayer dollars to “disappear” Why???

    Repubs want to say Dems dont support the troops well throw it right back at them make them answer for their decisions…

    It is not enough to have hearings…..DEMS needs a true PR Operation…it needs to be spread through out the media day after day after day…name names….if it comes down to it pick a scapegoat and hammer them relentlessly

    If dumb ass Bill Donahue can raise a media ruckus about one blogger then the overpaid dem consultants can surely make some noise about the dereliction of duty exhibited by Repubs for 6 years….

    Define youself before your opponent does it for you!!!!!!
    Repubs have had a 30 year headstart but that can change and the time is NOW!!!!

  • Most of the posts here seem to maintain that the lives of the American troops were indeed “wasted,” but post-Vietnam public discourse apparently won’t permit saying as much…

    Having said as much I think the “wasted” flap shows Obama has a long learning curve ahead of him…I posted several weeks ago that he was “untested and unvetted” and his syntax still shows it…

  • Sure ricardo, that’s one way of looking at it.

    Another, since you concede most of the posts tend to agree with him, is that Obama is a straight talker who says what he means and what many rational people consider the truth.

    I prefer it over the hedging double-talk we’ve come to expect from Washington.

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