OK, how anti-war is he?

Listening to John McCain’s big speech on foreign policy yesterday, it was hard not to notice the extent to which he emphasized how much he’s against military confrontations. On the first go-through, I thought it was just insincere rhetoric — like when a war-monger says he doesn’t want to send U.S. troops into battle, but thinks we have to, as much as possible.

But there’s a little more to this. McCain’s pitch was actually even more disingenuous than it appeared at first blush.

Kevin Drum summarized just how far McCain went to convince his audience of his peaceful intentions.

“I detest war…. Only a fool or a fraud sentimentalizes the merciless reality of war….the United States cannot lead by virtue of its power alone….mutual respect and trust….America must be a model citizen….good stewards of our planet…. We do not need all the weapons currently in our arsenal. The United States should lead a global effort at nuclear disarmament…. Our goal must be to win the ‘hearts and minds’ of the vast majority of moderate Muslims….scholarships will be far more important than smart bombs…. For decades in the greater Middle East, we had a strategy of relying on autocrats to provide order and stability…. It was a toxic and explosive mixture…. We must help expand the power and reach of freedom, using all our many strengths as a free people…. I run because I believe, as strongly as I ever have, that it is within our power to make in our time another, better world than we inherited.”

After putting together a neo-con friendly cabinet of foreign policy advisors, singing about his desire to “bomb Iran,” and endorsing a century-long presence for U.S. troops in Iraq, I took this to be a doth-protest-too-much pitch. Indeed, given that the McCain campaign is almost certainly aware of the political consequences of McCain’s “100 years” comment, he has to go the extra mile to convince people that he’s not Dick Cheney. The result is McCain describing armed conflict as “wretched beyond all description.”

But if McCain really “detests war,” he has a funny way of showing it.

Yglesias noted McCain’s approach to confronting North Korea, for example.

[N]othing about the fact that John McCain (allegedly) “hates war” should blind us to the fact that McCain loves advocating for the initiation of wars. McCain has a healthy understanding of what war means — healthier than my own or than George W. Bush’s — but also a radically unsound understanding of how international relations works. To most people, war is horrible but sometimes necessary. To McCain, war is horrible but frequently necessary. We do ourselves a disservice if we focus on McCain’s understanding of the horror of war to the exclusion of his belief in its frequent necessity. […]

His view [in 1999] was that Bill Clinton should have started a war with North Korea in 1994. Not because he doesn’t hate war (“not without paying a terrible price”) but because in his view, war with North Korea was inevitable so better sooner than later. Five additional years of non-war didn’t change his mind. Indeed, in January of 2003 he was accusing George W. Bush of being too soft on Pyongyang. And there’s every reason to believe that five years after that he still believes what he believed in 1994 — namely that we should engage in brinksmanship and quite possibly war with North Korea not reluctantly, but at the soonest possible opportunity.

And Ezra described the problems with McCain’s worldview in general.

He supported the grievously misguided war in Iraq, continually advocates its escalation, and professes comfort with a literally endless occupation. He wanted ground troops in Kosovo and an attack on North Korea. And however much he proclaims his hatred of war, his dip into song — “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran…” — certainly wasn’t a somber treatment of life’s most detestable outcome. At a moment of high tensions with Iran, asked whether he would support a catastrophic war with a major Middle Eastern nation based on fearmongering about their nuclear ambitions that turned out to be false, McCain not only agreed that he would, but he broke into song over the idea.

McCain may say he “hates” war. But that’s different than having an aversion, or even a reluctance, to go to war. As it is, what McCain has is a statesman’s political persona and crazed hawk’s policy positions. And that’s, if anything, more dangerous.

In other words, please don’t let the “detest war” talk fool you.

The inverted W seems more like Bush everyday. But you have to wonder why the media is so cavalier about him when they don’t even cover the wars we are in.

  • I detest neighborhood violence, which is why I decided to become a serial killer and get rid of all my neighbors. It worked, and I haven’t seen any of my neighbors threaten another.

    Tough love, people. Tough love. Sometimes you have to become what you hate in order to prevent anyone else from doing so. That’s a burden I’m willing to take.

  • In some ways, the best part is that so much of the speech is a word-for-word repeat of his prior “I just hate war” speech, given in 2001. Huffpost had details; some coverage on MSM (Olberman?). Talk about more of the same!

  • No one likes to see elephants being hunted to extinction. But, when elephants become extinct, there will be no more unethical treatment of elephants. That’s a sacrifice we should all be willing to make in order to secure a more livable future for the elephants.

  • Right, and yesterday there was Marc Halpreen on CNN telling us how almost identical McBisj foreign policy ideas and beliefs to Obama’s and Clinton’s. Yep, this is what the corporate media’s next sell job about McBush is going to be .. yet more lies, misdirection, and manipulation of public perceptions in order to get their corporate boy McBush installed as the president so that a government BY AND FOR THE FEW, GREED, CAN BE SUSTAINED.

  • McCain was against war back when Clinton had troops in Somalia. In fact it was Bush the First that had sent them there and Clinton had inherited the situation. But McCain seems to have already had memory problems.

    Alzheimer McCain now cannot only not remember what he thought or said years ago, he has trouble remembering what he said last week, or even in the morning if it is the afternoon.

  • In fact is exact words on Somalia :

    Then in 1993, McCain said, “Date certain, Mr. President, are not the criteria here. What’s the criteria and what should be the criteria is our immediate, orderly withdrawal from Somalia. And if we don’t do that, and other Americans die, other Americans are wounded, other Americans are captured, because we stayed too long, longer than necessary, then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress of the United States who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution of the United States and mandate that they be brought home as quickly and safely as possible.”

  • You’re missing the point, people—McWarWithoutEnd isn’t just “anti-war”—he’s anti-anti-war….

  • See, it looks like McCain detests evil more than war, and realizes Saddam was a picture of evil, the current Iranian regime is a picture of evil, and the Communist North Korean failure is a picture of evil.

    Kevin Drum, Matthew Yglesias, and Ezra Klein. “Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.” I wouldn’t doubt none of these three cares how many thousands of North Koreans starve to death; if Olbermann doesn’t tell them about it, it didn’t happen, right? The only people who are evil are other Americans. They do believe their own countryman are evil Kind of like what the idiot hippies have been saying for 40 years (today’s “liberals”).

    Of course, McCain probably isn’t nearly as much of a warmonger as these guys think he is. I think McCain better understands that projecting strength is important in confronting evil, even when using diplomacy. Carter never learned, and neither did Clinton. Bush 41 kind of did, but screwed up by not taking out Saddam in the first place. I don’t think Hillary gets it, although it seems to me she thinks she does. Obama definitely doesn’t; he is clueless. Talking to Ahmadinejad without conditions? Very dumb.

  • Thanks so much for enlightening us, SteveIL. I suppose we’re back to calling people “evil empires”. Back to the notion that the American Military is not for defense, but for trucking around the world wiping out evil. In the minds of fools like you, American soldiers are some super hero squad.

    The whole world heard Bush say, “we do not torture”, but now we all know we do. You can spin it all day, try and insult people, call them idiot hippies or equate “liberals” with commies. But the people of the world still recognize evil when they see it. Shock and Awe is not the stuff of Jesus, brother, and coupled with the fact that it was all started over lies, there just isn’t any “good” there.

    Just replace your phrase “projecting strength” with “killing people” and I think you will see the evil known by all: I think McCain better understands that killing people is important in confronting evil, even when using diplomacy.

  • Before committing our sons and daughters to war, politicians should be required to spend an hour at the Vietnam Memorial. Below grade, confronted with the reality of all those names and black granite, one can look back across the Mall to see the Capitol, rising in almost glorious oblivion the consequences suffered by those who did our leaders’ bidding. War must be the last resort.

  • Considering that South Koreans would have to do most of the fighting on the Peninsula and suffer most of the damage from the North Koreans (including the probable destruction of their capital Seoul) you’d think America should take their foreign policy clues on this matter from our DEMOCRATIC ally.

    There is no indication from what I’ve ever seen that the South Koreans want to restart the war with the North.

    John – is – an – idiot!

  • coral said: “In fact is exact words on Somalia:
    Then in 1993, McCain said…”

    But then he was trying to prevent Bill Clinton from getting credit for ANOTHER successful war (after all, 2000 dead Somali gunman for eighteen U.S. Soldiers?).

    The Republican’ts were just getting crazy. They had to force us out of Somalia.

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