On Iraq questions, Senate learns from House mistakes

Despite all of the anticipation, yesterday’s joint House hearing with Gen. David Petraeus and Amb. Ryan Crocker was a bit of a dud. Everyone seemed to be going through the motions, and all we heard were predictable answers to predictable questions. When colorful charts are the highlight of the afternoon, you know it was a missed opportunity.

To their credit, senators appear far better prepared during this morning’s hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where members are challenging Petraeus and Crocker in more informative ways. Even some Republicans are taking their oversight duties seriously today.

Senate Republicans sharply challenged President Bush’s top military general and ambassador in Iraq on Tuesday in a sign that some within the GOP retain serious misgivings about the protracted war.

“Are we going to continue to invest blood and treasure at the same rate we’re doing now? For what?” asked Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., who supports legislation setting a deadline to bring troops home.

The deep-seated doubt expressed at the hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee reflected just how far Congress had come since the war began over four years ago. And Republican senators raised tough questions that rivaled those asked by Democratic presidential hopefuls on the panel.

That’s actually not hyperbole, and it’s also not because the Dems were holding back. Most of the Foreign Relations Committee have availed themselves well this morning, not just for political theater, but in gleaning some important information.

There’s simply no way to summarize all the exchanges, but here are some details to keep in mind:

* Committee Chairman Joe Biden (D-Del.) got Petraeus to concede his proposed troop withdrawals — allegedly a major concession — were scheduled to happen anyway.

* Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), who rhetorically broke with the Bush policy in June (though he won’t vote against it), continued to express his disapproval this morning. As Tim Grieve noted, Lugar believes it’s time to “lay the groundwork” for “sustainable alternatives,” to “prepare for the next phase of our involvement in Iraq, whether that is a partial withdrawal, a gradual redeployment or some other option.”

* Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) crushed Petraeus and Crocker on why the surge policy is not responsible for progress in Anbar.

* Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) accused Petraeus and Crocker of “bright-line contradictions” between their assessments and independent data. He also emphasized that if a surge can’t bring about political reconciliation, there shouldn’t be a surge.

* Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) pressed Petraeus and Crocker on al Qaeda and accused them of suffering from “myopia.”

* And Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) asked Crocker what the chances are of political progress before the end of Bush’s presidency. Crocker couldn’t say.

Stay tuned.

I was never a Kerry fan, but every time I hear him speak I can’t help thinking this is the man America rejected in favor of an idiot who can only come up with , “bring-em on,” “stay the course,” “with us or against us,” “stand up, stand down,” “we’re kicking ass,” and on and on. And we wonder why we’re in such a mess…

  • Saying that there’s nothing “unpatriotic” about questioning “strategy,” retiring GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel just laid into Gen. David Petraeus, ambassador Ryan Crocker, the reports they’re providing and the strategy they’re pursuing.

    I admire Hagel’s honesty and integrity. It sounds like he didn’t pull any punches and tried to get the straight dope. Now, where the hell are Obama & Clinton?

    Where is the leadership?

  • Obama is speaking basically right now, or rather, I think he just finished up ~20 minutes ago. Josh Bresnahan, reporting while his questions were ongoing, said it was the harshest criticism yet.

  • I remember in a 2004 debate against Bush, Kerry talked about being in “free fire zones” in Vietnam. He said “I know something about killing.” I always thought that if he had just said “I killed people in Vietnam” he might have won the election. Bush has caused the deaths of thousands of people, but he (unlike his wife Laura) has never personally killed a person. There on the stage were a man who has killed, and a boy who sends others to kill.

    Of course, Bob Dole probably killed people whereas Bill Clinton had not, but Clinton has the power of empathy and did not use the military in the childish way his successor does.

  • Interesting that Bush is trying to have a Crocker and Petraeus set a policy that would make Bush the biggest cut-n-runner from the Iraq war.

  • ***JKap*** exactly, where are Obama and Clinton. Kucinich has already released a statement, yesterday, calling Petraeus and Crocker out. Just like on everything else…by the time the other candidates get there they find Kucinich has already been there and done that. Kucinich is the only candidate that actually will make a difference.

    Kucinich/Edwards ’08…the truth ticket. They can’t be bought.

  • No problem JKap. The coverage was a little light on that, though TPM just posted a little blurb on it.

    bjobotts…Obama has already released a statement (as of yesterday), another statement this morning, and got Greg Sargent’s approval for his grilling of Crocker and Petraeus.

  • Haik – I think they should just take things further, by actually killing someone during the debate. It could be like a deathrow inmate, in case the squimish have some problem with it. And the candidates get to decide how they do it. Sniper shot from across the room, barehanded strangle, roundhouse kick to the face, whatever. Not only would it establish their toughguy bonafides, but I’m sure it would increase debate viewership too; thus getting more people interested in politics.

    Sadly enough, I do think that had Kerry emphasized how he had killed people, it would have helped. Chuck Norris for President!!

  • Sure, Bio, killing of innocents on TV would titillate the juveniles, but what would really help America is for all the bald, white draft-dodging GOP Presidential candidates to have a cage match to the death to decide who gets the honor of being humiliated in the 2008 general election. The world would be a better place, and we’d all win!

  • I like this cage-match idea. Who’s most likely to immediately go for the kick to the nuts? I’m guessing Romney.

  • what would really help America is for all the bald, white draft-dodging GOP Presidential candidates to have a cage match to the death to decide who gets the honor of being humiliated in the 2008 general election

    Just imagine all that spandex-clad self-righteous jiggling flesh.

    Bleh.

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