Only good polls count

One more comment about [tag]Tony Snow[/tag]’s first press briefing. There was one exchange that helped highlight just how well Snow will fit in at the Bush White House.

A reporter asked about declassifying the [tag]NSA[/tag] phone-records database program, which prompted [tag]Snow[/tag] to point to public opinion as a gauge of the story’s significance.

“Look at the [tag]poll[/tag] that appeared the following day. While there was — part of it said 51 percent of the American people opposed, if you look at when people said, if there is a roster of phone numbers, do you feel comfortable that — I’m paraphrasing and I apologize — but something like 64 percent of the polling was not troubled by it.”

Less than 10 seconds later, a reporter noted that there are other polls that show Americans are “very concerned” about the NSA program, leading Snow to say:

“You cannot base national security on poll numbers.”

In other words, if the polls produce results the White House likes, we should take the numbers seriously. If the poll results are inconvenient for the Bush gang, we should dismiss them out of hand. Got it.

Scott McClellan pulled the same stunt back in January. I’d call it a “rhetorical trick” if it weren’t so transparently silly.

I’d call it another case of the White House not being on the same plane as the “reality based community”.

  • Ed Stephan, do you mean “not being on the same plain” as in ‘plain of existence’?

    Snow’s right about one thing, security programs in this country should be based on law and constitution, not polling or administration flights of fancy.

  • I like plane, as in we are all flying coach and they are flying on corporate jets.

  • Snow’s not the only one. Check out the math in this one — it’s either a joke, or the greatest example of cognative dissonance ever to see print…

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3825785

    Reliance on faulty polls pushes Bush popularity ratings downward
    By John Adams
    If you look at the fine print at the end of these stories, you will see that they were based on telephone interviews with around 1,000 people.

    So when they say that “more than half of all Americans” feel the president is not doing a good job, they are really talking about just over 500 people – roughly, the number of Democrats in the sample.

    Since Democrats are never likely to agree that Bush or any other Republican is doing a good job, we should focus on the other 500. If 30-plus percent of the total of 1,000 feel that the president is doing a good job that means that more than 60 percent of the 500 non-Democrats feel he is doing a good job.

    [CUT]

    Given the current climate of hate whipped up by Democratic operatives, it is understandable if Republican voters prefer to lie low. If interviewed by pollsters, they may well choose to waffle rather than express a firm commitment. But when it comes to Election Day, they will vote Republican, no matter how displeased they may be at a given moment. Republicans tend to be less emotional than Democrats, which translates into greater loyalty to their party. Their half of the 50-50 divide is likely to remain firm.

    So even if we take the polls at face value, when you include the wafflers Bush’s support is probably 80 percent or more of the non-Democrats. He obviously needs to get closer to 100 percent, but 80 percent isn’t too shabby when you consider the pounding he takes day after day in the media. It is clear that he has much more support and remains much more popular in the country than the polls indicate.

  • Maybe it’s because my logic circuits are still scrambled (it’s the morning) but I’m detecting the overpowering odor of Bullshit.

    I seem to remember the rightwing complaining aloud that libs/progressives use of relative moralism and how evil it is. Absolutist types using relativity? My head, er, spins.

    I’m reminded of a quote I read in response to a glowing interview on the alleged intelligence of a rightwing leader.

    “In the land of the morons, the halfwit is king.”

  • So now we have a Snowflake who wants to be like Stonewall. The genetic blending of the two, I suppose would produce an Igloo. Somewhat spherical in shape, it could be mistaken for a bubble, floating on the surface of a cesspool….

  • Good you picked that one up; I noticed it as well while reading the transcript. It’s so shallow and simple… but it’s even worse Snow is actually getting away with it, because the reporters that were attending weren’t actually attacking him on that.

  • “. . . .on the same plane. . . .” – Ed Stephan

    “. . . .do you mean “not being on the same plain” as in ‘plain of existence’?” – Lance

    “. . . .my homonym descrambler isn’t up to full power yet.” – Ed Stephan

    Actually, I think Ed had it right the first time around. “Plain” refers to either “ordinary” or “a an extensive area of level treeless countryside.” “Plane” is “a level of existence, consciousness, or development” or “a surface of such nature that a straight line joining two of its points lies wholly in the surface b : a flat or level surface”

    So while you may have a plain, or ordinary, existance, you exist on the same plane, or level of existance as others, or if you’re really unique perhaps you don’t 😉

  • This is the classic Bush administration M.O. in rare form. It’s really no different than their war on science. Ignore the data you disagree with, no matter how much there is, and promote the small amount of data that proves your point.

    Something makes me think that Tony Snow could be providing quite a few clips, and punchlines, to “The Daily Show” in the future.

  • “. . . .on the same plane. . . .” – Ed Stephan

    “. . . .do you mean “not being on the same plain” as in ‘plain of existence’?” – Lance

    “. . . .my homonym descrambler isn’t up to full power yet.” – Ed Stephan

    “Actually, I think Ed had it right the first time around.” – Danny

    Gah! Sorry Ed Stephan. I really need to change jobs. Not only does this one leave me far to much time comment on TCR, but my brain is bleeding out my ears.

  • Karl said they only pay attention to Republican polls. You know, the ones that say people “really like” this chimp.

    He may be on to something, though. GOP polling may well include only those people whose votes will actually count come Election Day. Who cares what the rest of us think.

  • Hoo Boy.

    Snow also acts as though anyone who is concerned about the warrantless spying has been “spun”. As if the poll he likes couldn’t possibly be the product of a spin campaign.

    SNOWJOB: It was interesting, when people were given the specifics in that story, they did not seem to be terribly troubled.

    Q: We are now.

    MR. SNOW: Well, that may have more to do with the way it’s being spun than the way it’s actually — go ahead…

    He also seems to want to change the subject when it becomes obvious that he wants to use poll data only when it suits him.

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