Pace wants a cut in troop deployment

Last year, Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as Iraq was deteriorating, said the war was going “very, very well.” It was a telling reminder that Pace was towing the Bush administration line, no matter how foolish it appeared.

Now, Pace is on his way out, and he’s no longer reading from the White House’s talking points.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is expected to advise President Bush to reduce the U.S. force in Iraq next year by almost half, potentially creating a rift with top White House officials and other military commanders over the course of the war.

Administration and military officials say Marine Gen. Peter Pace is likely to convey concerns by the Joint Chiefs that keeping well in excess of 100,000 troops in Iraq through 2008 will severely strain the military. This assessment could collide with one being prepared by the U.S. commander in Iraq, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, calling for the U.S. to maintain higher troop levels for 2008 and beyond.

Petraeus is expected to support a White House view that the absence of widespread political progress in Iraq requires several more months of the U.S. troop buildup before force levels are decreased to their pre-buildup numbers sometime next year.

Now, James Joyner argues, accurately, that this talk is, in general, not entirely new. Indeed, Defense Secretary Bob Gates talked this week about the “possibility” of a troop drawdown.

But I think Pace’s comments are more significant than James makes them out to be.

For one thing, the entire Bush administration-led establishment is rallying right now behind the notion that the status quo is not only effective, but practically sacrosanct. Freedom’s Watch’s ads, for example, characterize troop withdrawal — any troop withdrawal — as practically inviting another 9/11. We’re this close to seeing our dreams come true in Iraq, they say, so there’s no reason to change anything.

And since those ads were unveiled, we have the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff both calling for a reduction in troop deployments, the latter, by quite a bit. These developments kind of step on Ari Fleischer’s message a bit.

Moreover, Spencer Ackerman notes the broader military dynamic.

Pace’s recommendations reflect the views of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who initially expressed private skepticism about the strategy ordered by Bush and directed by Petraeus, before publicly backing it.

Historians will have to sort out whether Pace always believed that troop levels needed to come down and kept silent or whether he changed his mind after being fired. The senior military leadership, as of late 2006, expressed great skepticism that a surge in troops could appreciably affect the war’s fortunes at an acceptable cost to military readiness. Pace, in public, supported the surge at every turn, telling a governors’ meeting at the White House earlier this year that “Marines don’t talk about failure. They talk about victory.”

The debate now inside the Pentagon is over what to do after the spring, when, as Lieutenant General Ray Odierno, the ground forces commander in Iraq, acknowledged last week, a troop reduction is inevitable for readiness reasons. Odierno and others in Iraq believe only the nearly-30,000 surge forces should be withdrawn. Pace will tell President Bush — apparently reflecting the beliefs of the chiefs of the military services — that vastly more troops need to leave Iraq if the U.S. is to be prepared for other military threats.

As a practical matter, I don’t doubt that Bush would be willing to ignore the generals; he’s already done so before. For that matter, Petraeus may not have any qualms at all at distancing himself from the Joint Chiefs.

But as far as the politics is concerned, Pace’s perspective is not at all what the White House wanted to hear.

I don’t think anyone denies that having a ton of troops in Iraq can accomplish more than having a lot fewer troops. General Shinseki thought we would need several hundred thousand.

However, we ain’t got that many troops. General Pace is just facing reality. Even if you want the troops to be there it doesn’t really matter because we can’t keep 160,000 troops there for too long. Sooner or later, a lot of those troops have to come home.

But of course, facts have a liberal bias

  • Did anyone catch the DoD’s shameless promotion of Petraeus on the Daily Show last night? A Lt Colonel John Nagl was flogging the Army counterinsurgency manual written by Petraeus and others last year as evidence that the military knows what it is doing in Iraq now. Nagl referred to Petraeus as a “remarkable man” and a “great war fighter”.

  • Only an outright mutiny, read coup, by the JCS will bring a withdrawal of troops. Bush will never change his policy. The unspeakable nightmare in Iraq, and prevention of even a worse one in Iran will not be stopped by Congress. Politically the draft is a non-starter. The military is on the verge of collapse. The draft is not going to happen yet the delusional fools push on.Step-by-step we march towards Iran.

    How we as a country can emerge from the worst crisis in our history, even as a faux democracy, is not clear to me. It’s a slow-motion magnitude 8 earthquake, and nothing will ever be the same again.

  • Re: neil @ #1
    I don’t think anyone denies that having a ton of troops in Iraq can accomplish more than having a lot fewer troops.

    Yes, a totalitarian police state is much more easily maintained with a larger force of occupiers. You nailed it.

  • Let General Betrayus go to hell. Sooner or later the military is going to have to choose between being Republicans and being honest to their oaths of enlistment to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, Bush being the “enemy, domestic…”

  • Just one more in a long line of people who failed to speak up for what was right and correct when it mattered, regardless of the issue involved, and are only willing to do so when they no longer have anything to lose. This pattern goes back to pre-9/11 with these clowns. Yet the media and 30% of the public (at least) still give some credibility to anything anyone associated with the administration says.

    It really is demoralizing to see that so many high-ranking members of the military have been willing to put the needs of this Sadministration ahead of the needs of the country so many times. There have been heroes–Shinseki for example–but most have been shown to buckle. I generally thought the leaders of the military were much more independent than this (maybe it is because for over the past 30+ years our leaders have not pushed their backs to the wall in a manner such as this administration has done). Man was I in mistaken.

  • I get that when one is in the service of one’s country, one does not have the same ability to speak out as one would after retirement or the conclusion of one’s obligation, but I can’t be the only one who sees a pattern here – the only question is when, as Steve wonders, Pace came to his position. The problem is that it is too easy for the pro-war crowd to cast Pace’s remarks as being “sour grapes,” instead of considering the implications of Pace, and a long line of others, being turned out – or choosing to retire – because the advice was not what Bush wanted to hear.

    And now we have Warner making huge headlines and getting all kinds of airtime because he made a suggestion that Bush re-deploy a mere 5,000 of our troops by the end of the year. He also made it clear that his suggestion was only that – and that he would not be voting for timelines or any other proposal that took the ultimate decision out of Bush’s hands. To be blunt – I would like to suggest that the hand in which he is putting suggestions is not filling up nearly as fast as the one he is crapping in – and since that hand belongs to you and to me and to everyone else, I’m not thrilled.

  • Pace underestimates George Bush’s heroic willingness to let the Army be ground to a pulp to keep the war in Iraq going until he is out of office.

    Petraeus’ Counterinsurgency (FM 3-24, availablle for download “here”) is indeed a thoughtful and comprehensive document – which makes it all the more strange that he overlooks the fact that, according to it, the number of troops currently deployed as a surge is barely enough to control Baghdad.

    The time for building up the Army and Marines sufficiently to run an effective counterinsurgency strategy was 2003. Bushco was too busy declaring incipient victory back then to take care of that little detail.

  • re: Pace, Warner and the rest of the experts.

    I think the word quagmire pretty much sums it up.

    Regardless of the changing strategies and rationalizations, the fact of 2+ US deaths per day, not to mention $12 billion per month indebtedness, remains the relentlessly the same.

    And I don’t believe our Democratic leaders, in Congress now and in a future White House, will change that for all their empty rhetoric. Everyone important is making too much money off the way things are.

  • Can I just note that the “General Betrayus” childish bunk is rather ridiculous and does nothing but undermine anything else the author says. The facts on the ground are that Petraeus performed very well throughout the war, earning strong accolades from pretty much everyone for his ability to maintain order while avoiding the military heavihandedness that many of our forces used. His counterinsurgency techniques really are well respected as being very effective.

    Bottom line- Just because you don’t like someone’s opinions doesn’t make them a traitor and name calling makes you look like a fool.

  • Re: socratic_me @ #10
    The facts on the ground are that Petraeus performed very well throughout the war…

    However, how has he performed throughout the occupation?

  • It does no good to even entertain the idea of troop withdrawal during this administration no matter what occurs. Bush will not withdraw troops from Iraq unless he is forced to…that’s the bottom line. And with the history of this Democratic catering to Bush’s every whim on Iraq we can do nothing but watch more die until far past when he is out of office. I just pray he doesn’t start bombing Cambodia… er….I mean Iran before then.

    All this death and destruction perpetuated by a man that really was never actually “elected” to be President.

    The constitution does not protect us from dictators if the Congress refuses to enforce or defend it.

  • “The facts on the ground are that Petraeus performed very well throughout the war…”

    Well, there are those pesky little facts about the multiple failures to train the iraqi troops, and the inexplicable loss of a few hundred thousand weapons, two items Petraeus was directly in charge of, and the former causing a very large blow to the success of the mission in Iraq. I guess if we take those out he has been a star.

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