Passionate protests prove peculiar

May 31, 2008

TNR’s Eve Fairbanks reports from DC:

Howard Dean may hope that the “healing will begin today,” but two blocks away from the northwest Washington Marriott where the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee is meeting right now to try to figure out Florida and Michigan, the Hillary protesters are occupying an utterly alternate (and healing-free) universe: a universe in which one of the big lawn rally’s speakers yells that the Democratic Party no longer is in the business of “promoting equality and fairness for all”; in which a Hillary supporter with two poodles shouts, “Howard Dean is a leftist freak!”; in which a man exhibits a sign that reads “At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen” and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball.

“They almost made me cry this morning when they told me to get out of there,” the blond Sinclair–who’s looking roly-poly and giddy in a blue-and-white striped shirt with a pack of Marlboros protruding from the breast pocket–says, referring to several nervous protest organizers who tried to evict him when he first showed up at the rally site early this morning carrying a box of “Obama’s DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS: Murder, Drugs, Gay Sex” fliers. Since then, though, he goes on, “I have been totally surprised by the reception I have received!”

He’s not kidding. Clusters of people in Hillary shirts ask to take their photo with him, one woman covered in Clinton buttons introduces him to Greta Van Susteren, and he estimates he has handed out 500 fliers. “You could improve your credibility if you downplayed the gay sex and focused on the drugs,” sagely advises one Hillary supporter with auburn hair and elegant makeup. But in this universe, Sinclair’s credibility doesn’t seem to be suffering too much. In fact, he’s treated nearly as well as he might be at a meeting of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy.

Hillary Clinton has said, on multiple occasions, that she will work her heart out for the Democratic ticket this year, whether she’s on it or not. I have every reason to believe she means it, and will follow through on her commitment.

But I get the sense some of her supporters are going to need more convincing than others.

Wow. It is hard to know what to say. I am guessing, though, that most of the protesters are reasonable people who are embarrassed by the more vocal, colorful characters. I’ve been in lots of protests like that.

  • This is the year we can strip the party of those that are racist and don’t promote progressive ideas anyhow – can’t endlessly triangulate with this crowd and actually get anything progressive policies enacted.

    Historic opportunity – don’t need these folks anyhow, sooner we let them go, the better.

  • This is the downside of the “rally” strategy. The freaks get all the attention.

  • Well, I don’t see anything wrong with the nitwit wing of the party walking out. I wonder if those people have the slightest self-awareness of what a pathetic bad joke they are.

    They can even call themselves the Militant Morons Chowder & Marching Society.

  • Clusters of people in Hillary shirts ask to take their photo with him, one woman covered in Clinton buttons introduces him to Greta Van Susteren

    I’ll bet Greta asked to be introduced. He’s what Fox News calls a “get”.

  • These fanatical people are a radical minority. Their damage is caused by a sensationalizing MSM portraying them as mainstream. I just attended a Democratic caucus in my community at which there were both Clinton and Obama supporters. There was no rancor. On the contrary everyone, and I mean everyone, said they would work and vote for the Democratic ticket no matter who the nominee.

  • Every reason to believe it? You mean you have zero doubt? In spite of all the damage she’s doing you really think she’ll turn around and say “just kidding!”?

    I just don’t see any reason to have that sort of faith in that particular individual.

  • I have every reason to believe she means it, and will follow through on her commitment.

    I will not pretend to tell you what to think in this particular case, Mr. Benen—but you must always remember that she has taken you down several similar roads before—and always with the same, disappointing end result. I also seem to recall you “washing your hands”—or something like that—of her not too terribly long ago….

  • The Right has been infiltrating the Clinton campaign at least since Texas. Apart from Clinton’s core, white women over fifty and AIPAC members, none of her so-called supporters will vote for any Democrat in the fall. They’re only there to make trouble and portray Dems as unstable idiots. How else explain Sinclair and Van Susteren? Look for this to run until November on Fox.

    And the “responsible” Clintonites owe the rest of us an apology and some real work, away from the spotlight for once.

  • I agree with most of the preceding comments. However, reverse the situation in your mind: if the nomination were going to Clinton, would there not be a plenitude of totally irrational lamentation from the Obama crowd? If you think not, perhaps you haven’t been reading the commentary on the Obama blogs. Or perhaps you truly believe that Hillary is truly “Hitlery” — among the worst racists and murderers in human history. Eh?

  • Looks like I’m not the only one for whom this comment stood out…

    I have every reason to believe she means it

    Are you trying to convince your readers or yourself?

  • I’ve come to the conclusion recently that Obama has at least one trait that President Clinton had: he is extremely fortunate in his enemies. With these people opposing him, he can’t lose.

  • Rich–
    These fanatical people are a radical minority. Their damage is caused by a sensationalizing MSM portraying them as mainstream.

    I find these people to be just as likable and believable as Hillary, her surrogates, and bloggers who support her.

  • In fact, Doug Scott, your scenario is absurd. If Obama were in Hillary’s position, he would have dropped out. If he were fighting a last-ditch battle, I have no doubt it would be with the same high tone he’s conducted the rest. He not only wouldn’t have organized the demonstrations, he would have condemned them — and probably would have single-handedly thrown any protestor bringing up the Vince Foster case off the grounds — maybe single-handedly and double-footedly.

    But the Hillary hacks running this demonstration are willing to accept Larry Sinclair (Larry Sinclair !! — whose already failed a lie detector test and who has even been condemned by some writers at WorldNutDaily). Is this supposed to be the October surprise? Nobody — until now — has given this lying fool the slightest bit of notice. But he was the cockroach that crawled out of the drain pipe when Hillary unscrewed the kitchen sink. And instead of squashing it, Hillary’s supporters are trying to make it into a pet.

    Anybody want to guess how many column-inches of newspaper coverage are going to be wasted on this — now.

  • Diehards die hard. The lunatic fringe always show-up and scream the loudest. Now if there were thousands in the streets in numerous cities, one would need to pause and reflect on a more suitable solution to the the questions of fairness. The truth be known, most of those (on both sides) won’t abandon the party in the end. Also, those States did break the rules. Where were their democratic senators when all that was happening? Now they are grandstanding and demanding equity. What a crock. There is just too much at stake for the majority to abandon the party…

  • OkieFromMuskogee said: This is the downside of the “rally” strategy. The freaks get all the attention.

    Esp. if the rally is sparsely attended, and the freaks become a high percentage of the whole crowd…

  • Prup @ 15, to add to what you said, Obama specifically called for his supporters to NOT have any kind of demonstrations during todays RBC meeting.

  • Nice of Greg to take his poodles out for a stroll. I’m sure they were happy to escape that filthy basement for a change…

    And Swan with his sandwich board that shouted in bold: “America is not ready for a black President!” on the front, and “The lady goes first!” on the back… looked in particularly fine form.

    But I thought Mary, with her artificially sharpened eyeteeth and goth robes, had the best protest sign of all: ” American College Teachers against sexist and racist Hussien Obama!”

    Aye…
    It was a beautiful day. Wish you all could have been here.

  • Hillary Clinton has said, on multiple occasions, that she will work her heart out for the Democratic ticket this year, whether she’s on it or not. I have every reason to believe she means it, and will follow through on her commitment. — CB

    Obama, knowing that The Kook and Perennial Victim Rally was brewing, asked all of his supporters *not to* counter-rally, but use their energies by going out and registering voters. Hillary did no such thing. That omission, in and by itself suggests that she approved of it, even if she hadn’t been the one to instigate it. I think, perhaps, her understandig of what “working her heart out for the Democratic ticket” means is that she’ll do all it takes (all the way to the Convention) to *be* that Democratic ticket. Otherwise, all bets are off.

  • “Obama, knowing that The Kook and Perennial Victim Rally was brewing, asked all of his supporters *not to* counter-rally, but use their energies by going out and registering voters. Hillary did no such thing. That omission, in and by itself suggests that she approved of it, even if she hadn’t been the one to instigate it. I think, perhaps, her understandig of what “working her heart out for the Democratic ticket” means is that she’ll do all it takes (all the way to the Convention) to *be* that Democratic ticket. Otherwise, all bets are off.”

    I’d say that is an accurate assessment of Clinton’s state of mind.

  • If it were just a few freaks, this wouldn’t be a story, or a problem for Democrats.

    Here is the real face of the problem: a 71-year old upper-midwestern woman and long-time, hard-working leader in the normally very progressive Minnesota Democrat-Farmer-Labor party, leading a national drive to get Democratic women to pledge not to vote for Obama in November.

    To everyone who keeps talking like they want a purge, if your purge runs deep enough to throw out all of the women like her, who is left? I’ve helped run many campaigns for statewide and federal office over the years, and in the purple states that often have older average ages, you know who always showed up to volunteer, who did the phone banks, who stuffed the envelopes, who sorted the mail?

    Yep, women exactly like Ms. Horbel.

    We have a bit of a dilemma: we can’t win with ’em, and we can’t win without ’em.

  • speaking of sinclair – last week he proclaimed that he had an anoucement coming up (I think the 28th) that would be a BOMBSHELL and destroy Obama.

    I guess he didn’t have anything, cuz I regularly read rense.com (for fun) and I am sure they would have featured it there.

    Chimpy had folks that claimed to have the goods on him – cocaine and rape. The man was locked up before the election (may still be) and the woman was suicided. Seems to me, these are tacit admissions that the folks with info about dur chimpfurher had some legitimate information.

  • Pandering to the lunatic fringe will just lower the dialog and guarantee we don’t see important changes – we have to let them go.

    chimpy, the repugs/neocons, and the results of their unrestricted rule for 7 years has created a lot of opposition to their ideas and politics. Vast majority wants change.

    Obama does not need the clinton wachos to win an honest election in 2008.

    The real danger is that the MSM will use the discourse by the lunatic fringe to “catapult the propaganda” that mccain wins because of a “highly energized base.”

    This is why kkkarl is actually advising BOTH shillary and mclame.

  • Mark – you are dead wrong – there is enough opposition to dur chimpfurher that people will vote for change. Obama beats mclame in the polls now and this is not going to reverse itself.

    Quit reading and regurigitating kkarl rove’s talking points for shillary and come back here when you have something meaningful to say.

  • Considering the huge numbers of people who have voted for Clinton this year, it should not come as a surprise that there are vast differences among them.

    Some are socially conservative working class voters who might wind up voting for McCain. Whether or not that makes sense is a different matter, but there is a distinct portion of Clinton’s support which is closer to Republican than Democratic voters of recent years. There’s also a racist element who will not vote for Obama.

    There are also many long time Democratic voters who are unlikely to vote for McCain over Clinton once the passions of the primaries are over, regardless of what Clinton does. Most will vote for Obama, especially if Clinton keeps her word and backs him.

    There’s a strong feminist component to Clinton’s support. Some want a woman president, and are willing to overlook Clinton’s lack of ethics, her lack of experience (as they promote the fantasy that her years of proximity to power are the same as actual experience), and her many flawed policy positions. At the moment they might say they will vote for McCain in revenge. Three words will ultimately change their minds: Rowe versus Wade.

    Obama will undoubtedly lose some votes due to the fanaticism of some Clinton supporters. He will also pick up far more votes from independents and disenchanted Republicans who are supporting him, but will not support Hillary Clinton.

  • I have yet to see any of the shill-bots address:

    (1). Why any democratic candidate would publicly would use the advisory of the republican opposition to justify their candidacy. Is she actually telling us that she answers to the same lying liars in.

    (2). Why any democratic candidate would accept the support of rush limbaugh – especially given that he created the republican revolution by screaming about her husband for years.

    Again, is she telling us that she has the same masters?

  • OK. Lets mark today as the official end of the primary season. Hillary lost, and the sooner she and her supporters accept this, the better. Judging by the behavior of her more lunatic supporters, they are not her supporters anyway. The are Limbaugh ditto heads who are terrified of Obama. I’ve never been anti-Hillary, and Obama was not my first choice. But really people, either this thing is over or Hillary’s political career is over. She bows out now, or we take her out at her next Senate primary. Enough is enough. It’s time to take on McSame.

  • lb: Pandering to the lunatic fringe will just lower the dialog and guarantee we don’t see important changes – we have to let them go.

    Exactly.

    If said “71-year old upper-midwestern woman and long-time, hard-working blah, blah, blah…” wants to follow her shit-hole racism to the end of the earth, and vote for a 71 year old repug who promises to continue on in Iraq for a trillion years…. so be it.

    If America is not smart enough, and fed up enough, to elect the obviously superior candidate…
    Then America deserves McCain. Period.

    This is it boys and girl. There is no future election or moment in history that matters more.
    We either get a decent and smart president who ends the war and starts work on global warming immediately… NOW!… Or else, whatever happens henceforth will be way too little way too late. The isn’t a game of bluff. It really is now or never…

    My money and my future is on Barack. Anything less than that isn’t worth pissing on. The world seems to intuit this; 1.5 million individual donors affirm that.
    Penciling in a “71-year old upper-midwestern woman fuck… as a viable voice whose ass needs to be pander-kissed is a silly attempt at noblesse oblige concern trolling.

    She is a zombie. She is an obstructionist. She is going to get steamrolled in November.
    Fuck her and fuck Appalachia too…

  • Focusing on a group of “weirdos” as representative of Hillary supporters sounds like a little bear tactic. Giving them attention is what they strive for. Clinton doesn’t stand for any of that crap and no I’m not a Clinton supporter but would vote for her if she were the nominee.

    You must think it brings some novel interest like reporting on what some enthusiastic Obama supporter does with a tampon with Hill’s name on it. It’s the kind of crap that people use to fling at each other but has no relevance really. I’m surprised you throw it out there as if it were meaningful.

    Now the Hillary bashing begins. What many fail to take into account is that Hillary has a large number of supporters (who are nothing like this group) who are not taking kindly to be slammed as misguided idiots. I get the sense that many commenters act as though Hillary is out there acting on her own with a small group of followers to storm the bastille or something.

    There is overall not that much difference between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters in how they support their candidate or why. When commenters become totally disrespectful with the name calling etc I have to remind myself that they are much like me and basically want what they believe to be best for their interests and our country but are allowing their anger and resentments expression. But at some level it’s just insulting to the campaign process to become so condescending to people who basically want the same things I want but feel their candidate will be more effective in getting results. If I disagree we can’t talk if your sitting there calling me an asshole and vice versa.

    With so much going on and so much to talk about it’s disappointing that posts like this one should even take up space. Thank god it’s a rare occasion at this site.

    This is what matters: “…Hillary Clinton has said, on multiple occasions, that she will work her heart out for the Democratic ticket this year, whether she’s on it or not. I have every reason to believe she means it, and will follow through on her commitment….”

  • Obama’s representatives (Wexler and Benoir) both embarrassed themselves in today’s hearings by showing how self-serving their supposed compromises actually were. First Wexler was willing to accept the FL voting outcome but only if the delegate votes were weighted at .5, not if they were offered full reinstatement with full voting privileges. Committee members tried to pin him down about whether Obama’s campaign would be happy if FL were given its full votes, but Wexler obviously didn’t want to say that because it would increase the delegates accorded to Clinton. He stonewalled and generally looked like a fool. Then Benoir was asked point blank why Obama took his name off the ballot in MI when there was no rule-based reason for him to do so. He had no satisfactory answer to that, and it was clear to everyone there.

    Earlier Maria was pretending that Josh Marshall’s comment about the disenfranchisement of non-voters wasn’t pro-Obama. Today, as an obvious Obama talking point, every Obama supporter on the committee took the opportunity to point out that we must all worry about the folks who might have voted but didn’t, not just the ones who did. Dean even said that, in his capacity of unbiased DNC head (as if). It couldn’t have been more obviously orchestrated. Again, none of them explained why there might not be an equal number of Clinton supporters among the non-voting — why assume they were all Obama supporters?

    Who cares what a bunch of nuts do on a lawn? The real show has been on CSPAN all morning.

    As a person who dislikes Obama, I still do not care about Larry Sinclair’s accusations. Obama can do what he likes with whomever he likes in the back of a limousine. It is no one’s business and has nothing to do with his qualifications for office, whether true or false. I already know Obama is a hypocrite from the performance of his representatives at the hearing today. His proposals were a naked grab for delegates he has not earned (in MI) and an attempt to limit Clinton’s win in FL by limiting her delegates to a half vote, instead of requesting full voting (as Clinton has done). FL is the state that most deserves full reinstatement because they had no control over the timing of their primary — but it is also the state where Clinton had the biggest lead, hence Obama’s diluted request there.

    The point of the committee’s deliberations is to do the right thing. Obama used the opportunity to ask for more delegates, not argue the claims of FL or MI. Clinton asked for the delegates she won and Obama asked that some of her delegates be assigned to him instead, based on mind-reading about the intentions of people who either did not go to the polls at all, or voted “uncomitted” (a term that included 3 other candidates). Tell me how that supports democracy or reflects high ideals. This is why Obama is just a creep.

  • Mark Pencil, @23

    From my own purple neck of the woods (south-western, mostly rural, Virginia), I’ll give you middle and upper-middle class, middle aged (50 to 73 in my immediate circle) “Dem hens” who will stuff the envelopes, woman the phones, assemble the yard signs and badger their children and grandchildren to go canvassing. They’re 5:2 for Obama and of the two Clintonistas only one will be reluctant to vote for him instead of her. So things aren’t all that bad. It’s that the oddballs attract more attention, that’s all.

  • geee, joey

    shillary herself is handing out the kkkarl rove electorial maps and promoting him (mclame’s advisor) as the “expert”.

    She won some primaries largely based on rush limbaugh’s “operation chaos”.

    These are facts – ones you choose to avoid. If you call this “working her heart out”, then you are also part of the non-progressive wing that we have to let go.

    Vote for mclame if you like, run as a third party. The next president has to shed the crowd that wants more of the same. The public actually is demanding it.

  • The Clintons are demented attention whores. Remember Bill’s nomination speech for Dukakis? Not even boos and hisses could shut him up. I’ll bet the asshole even enjoyed the impeachment hearings because the camera was on him so intently.

    And now his wife. The Mouth That Roared

    They oughta be shown the door and given the same treatment Scott McClellan is getting from his former so-called colleagues.

    It’s so over.

  • Let’s do a “reality check”

    This week, scotty mcclelland releases a book and is telling the national media that kkkarl rove is a lying liar that is responsible for treason, including outing valerie plame and the lies that took this nation into an illegal war of conquest.

    This same week, clinton is releasing electoral maps and talking points prepared by kkkarl rove to justify her candidacy.

    Oh – and kkkarl rove is also advising the republican candidate, john mccain.

    And people want to come here and tell us that she is somehow relevant and deserving of the party’s nomincation?

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

    And that is not a call to my buddy here, that is what I am doing now.

  • Jesus Christ, those people who sucked up (har) to Sinclair make me puke. Their candidate has been putting up with OMG SHEZ A LESBIAN rumors since day one but they’ll flock to some mentally unbalanced shit who tells the same story about someone they don’t like. (Homophobia much?) I hope Larry Out of Sinc-lair follows them home. And yes I know the ReThugs don’t have a lock on Raging Assholes, it’s just startling to see the Democratic RAs all at once.

    Oh well, it rained violently here this afternoon. Hopefully all of those turds are bobbing towards the Potomac as I type.

  • “I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times…I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

    “Republicans were the party of Ideas for…past 10-15 yrs or more in that they were the party challenging conventional wisdom…” Barack Obama

    “…(1). Why any democratic candidate would publicly would use the advisory of the republican opposition to justify their candidacy…” little bear

    “…Ronald REAGAN? The Democrats’ mortal enemy, that smiling, supposedly simple-minded actor who expanded the Republican party by wooing all those white, working-class voters?

    “When you think about what Ronald Reagan did to the American people, to the middle class to the working people,” former Sen. John Edwards shot back at an event in Henderson, Nevada. “He was openly — openly– intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country…He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environment.”

    Edwards added, “I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change.”

    From the Reagan corner, the response to Obama’s remarks was amusement, and an approving nod or two…” the Washington Post

    a matter of perspective not assumed stupidity brings understanding.

  • Pandering to the lunatic fringe is certainly a no-go because nothing– no logic, no fairness, no play by the rules, nothing– will satisfy them outside of having Clinton as the (unfairly) appointed nominee.

    What would make the most sense is for the non-lunatic of her supporters to immediately begin to press Obama and the DNC to place women in high level positions in his administration and to actively cultivate women for leadership in federal, state, and local elected positions. While this may be happening currently, this primary campaign is an opportune time to attract attention to the effort and to attract women with the drive to lead. It would put to bed the notion that Hillary is the last opportunity for women to ascend the presidency, and create a sustainable effort to ensure that multiple female candidates have a viable chance at the presidency (instead of just one at a time like Clinton or Sheila Jackson Lee). This should not be difficult for Obama since he’s a supporter of women’s issues. Furthermore, Clinton could have an opportunity to demonstrate leadership on this front and likewise prove that her run is not solely about her.

    Anyway, that’s my 2 cents about how to unify the party. Of course, this scenario would require Clinton being able to show that it really isn’t all about her, something about which I have gigantic doubts.

  • pretty lame dale – but best you can do.

    So you have nothing to say about clinton using a lying liar that is the center of attorneygate, the plame outing, 2 stolen elections, and the war crimes in Iraq.

    And the best you can do is bring up some lame quote about ronnie.

    Maybe this works on the other blogs you post this crap on, but you are not going to win any converts here with endless paragraphs of lies that no one will read anyhow.

  • The Clintons are dedicated public servants. Remember the two terms of economic prosperity, peace, and improvement in nearly every sphere of government action we had with Bill Clinton? No — too young? Thought so.

    Bill Clinton’s first too-lengthy and dull convention speech is interesting because he learned from it and became a highly effective orator. However, Bill Clinton was always more talented in other ways than his speech-making ability — unlike Obama. For example, Obama cannot answer questions extemporaneously (without a script). In contrast everyone who meets Bill Clinton is impressed by his command of facts, his astute analysis, and his grasp of an issue — this is not my opinion but what is said about him repeatedly by others. Hillary has that same grasp of issues and that same mental acuity — again, not just my opinion but what those who have met her say about her. Notice that she doesn’t hide from the press the way Obama does, because his people are apparently afraid he’ll say something wrong or reveal how slow his thinking is, or how much he depends on briefing to know what he is talking about (sort of like Bush’s campaign in that respect).

    I want a smart president, a hardworking one. I don’t want a man who gave a great convention speech, after which someone said “Hey, if you can inspire people like that, you ought to run yourself.” and he believed it. No someone who cannot take an honest look at himself and his own lack of qualifications and realize the country would be better off if he took the time to get more experience before attempting to run the country — someone who puts country ahead of personal interest. Hillary has taken abuse because she is trying to save us from Obama. That is a personal sacrifice you cannot imagine unless you’ve been vilified the way she has.

  • Once again, the supporters of Obama attack the only Democrat in the race. Obama, who calls Republicans the Party of Ideas, who sings paeans of praise for the corrupt Ronald Reagan, who refuses to make universal health care proposals and uses Republican talking points against the one who does, is unfit to be the Democratic candidate. His use of race baiting in South Carolina after his defeat in New Hampshire was reprehensible. His use of Harry & Louise attacks against Clinton for proposing a universal healthcare plan is disgusting. His attacks on her and her supporters have been as foul as anything seen from the RNC and their 527s.
    Obama claims to be a unifier should be given the same credibility as George W. Bush’s similar claim.

    There is a lunatic fringe in this campaign. It’s the Obamacans who believe that one can triangulate from the right and call oneself a Democrat and that one can be bipartisan with the other lunatic fringe: the Republican Party.

  • As a MI resident, I did not vote in the Dem primary because I was told that the delegates would not be seated at the Convention, and voted instead for Ron Paul in the Rep. primary. Had I known that they would change the rules later, I would have voted “uncommitted” in the Dem primary, only because my first two choices (Kucinich and Edwards) wouldn’t be on the ballot anyway. If they do change the rules again to accomodate Sen. Clinton, I do not feel this is fair to the multitudes of voters who didn’t vote, or would have voted for someone else had they been on the ballot. Trust me on this, if they had done a revote do over, Obama would trounce Sen. Clinton handily.

  • Hillary has taken abuse because she is trying to save us from Obama. That is a personal sacrifice you cannot imagine unless you’ve been vilified the way she has.

    Hillary has taken little abuse and has not been vilified in any way, shape, or form. The media has been way more gentle with her than they would with someone else who refused to leave when it became evident that it was impossible to win.

    And please, spare us the notion that she’s just in it to “save” us from Obama. Clinton is in this fight for herself and herself alone. More than 17 Million people believe that he is the better option of the two. I certainly can’t speak for the other 17 Million, but you best believe that I am neither stupid nor naive. I weighed my options and decided that Obama was the best option for the nation. For you and for her to try to “save” me is insulting and condescending.

  • Obama is “triangulating” and shillary is actually justifying her campaign with karl rove (mccains advisor) and accepting the support of rush limbaugh.

    You guys need to stop. haaardy haaar haaar..

    Your KILLING me!

    haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar haaardy haaar haaar

  • l@40 ittle bear said:
    pretty lame dale – but best you can do.

    Hey dumbshit, I haven’t posted a comment on this thread. Imagining things again?

    The only thing worse in these threads than reading mary is reading your “rebuttals”. And you definitely put the butt in rebuttal.

    Here’s some info for you, little “I’m not your monkey” bear, you don’t have the intellectual capacity to critique Mark, doubtful, Curmudgeon or okie. You just don’t. You spout little word-schticks and phrases you pick up and repeat them ad nauseum and I do mean nauseum. So instead of offering presecriptions for what Dems should do you should offer the prescription for your meds to your local pharmacist.

  • Mary is a top-notch spoof. Insane Fake Professor gave it away by being over the top, and then there was of course the name, but Mary is spot on. Remember when she said she had to take Hillary seriously because she was the wife of a talented politician? And now she’s got that Hillary is making a personal sacrifice to save us from Obama. It is spooftacular.

  • I repeat: It’s over.

    We did it!

    And Mary, Sweetie, piss off. You’re a relic.

  • Just read a good cartoon by Lalo Alcazar: “When the Hillary supporters who decide to vote for McCain register to vote, let them register their children for shipment to Iraq.”

  • Listen to the RBC talk now. Clinton isn’t going anywhere. Fuck the dems. Fuck the party. Nothing but Hillary matters.

    Her name alone (no Obama, Edwards, Richardson). 40% not committed. And she wants it all.

    Fuck you, HIllary Clinton. Just fuck you. I hope you enjoy your ride into oblivion. You’re done.

  • The parade of nuts is actually a good thing for the Democratic Party if Hillary insists on taking this thing to the convention.

    If Hillary does insist on doing that, then ideally, her reputation becomes so damaged and destroyed that most or all of her sane followers bail out on her before then.

    It is already happening in California.

    Hopefully the Hillary supporting nut jobs can get even more media attention and focus.

    If Hillary rides into Denver with these idiots as her primary followers, then no one in the media will actually care about Hillary, or take her seriously, other than to run stories about the nut case circus of her followers.

  • Mary: you’re giving boomer bimboism a bad name, but I do thank you for so clearly demonstratingthe fact that having a couple of college degrees is no proof of possession of intelligence.

  • All about the voters…who didin’t vote, whose candidate wasn’t on the ballot.

    Yeah, it’s all about the voters. BULLSHIT.

  • HRC is taking it to the Convention, according to Icky – sad, sad day for our party.

  • Let’s just hope Pelosi and Reid do what they said they were going to do to end this after the last round of primaries.

  • MissMudd…what did we do? We seated the delegates. Ickes as much as said they were going to Denver to the CC and people are screaming DENVER in the background.

    I don’t see that anything was accomplished at all.

  • I can only hope you’re right. At what point do we look towards the GE? Sure, Obama is doing GE stuff, but no matter what he does, he needs her people and she has to come through with those people.

    Do you see her doing that? Call me jaded; I don’t.

  • 32. Mary said: His proposals were a naked grab for delegates he has not earned (in MI) and an attempt to limit Clinton’s win in FL by limiting her delegates to a half vote, instead of requesting full voting (as Clinton has done).

    They weren’t “his” proposals. The proposals that passed were the proposals of the Florida and Michigan Democratic parties.

  • Shalimar, you are pissing into the wind, m’dear. Look at Mary’s comment above about Obama doing whatever he wants in a limo, saying that she buys into that.

    Mary, he eats babies, too. OOOOHHHHH…BOOGA BOOGA.

  • Hillary now needs about 75% of the remaining superdelegates.

    Yet, she didn’t even get 75% of her 13 RBC supporters. (8/13). Doesn’t look good.

  • I know, but it was either that or explain to Joey why courting the support of Limbaugh, Scaife and Rove is a great deal worse than a small compliment of Reagan.

  • Pledged, unpledged, supers, half-delegates…why am I having a hanging, dimpled, innie, outie chad flashback.

    Ugh. 😀

  • Oy, Reagan again. The backhanded “compliment” that he was able to bullshit well enough to get people invigorated.

    You can explain that til you turn blue and keel over. It’s like trying to get people to understand “bittergate” and that people vote on abortion (god) and guns (those nasty liburals gonna take our guns away!)

    You can’t explain to someone who doesn’t want to hear.

  • The Hillaryis44 crew are even funnier than usual right now because of today’s votes.

    Even they are close to giving up on Hillary.

  • Ickes was spayed “at lunch”. Let the loonies do the Hillary Conga Line at the convention cuz it just won’t freaking matter, especially after months of Obama nipping at McCrap’s heels. What she should be doing between now and Denver is getting off her ass to mend a few fences. I do not expect to see that.

    She’s much too bitter.

  • It’s time for the healing to begin– for us Dems to band together and remember what we stand for and what we are against.

    Our enemies are NOT other Dems. If you are a Hillary supporter you have every right to be mad, to be disappointed, to be upset that your candidate didn’t win. Vent. Scream. Cry. Let it all out. Then afterwards take a step back and think about the BIG PICTURE.

    If anyone is so pro-Clinton that it leads them to hate Obama just for being her opponent, well, I hope that you come around and change your mind. The opposite of Hillary’s views and positions is NOT Obama– it’s McCain.

    Peace, ya’ll.

  • I have read May’s remarks for sometime now, and judging from the quaility of those,I suspect that if she has two degrees, she mush have found them in a crackerjack box.

  • Back to the protesters…

    Both Obama and Clinton have their core cheer leaders, but I smell ‘Operation Chaos’. It is just way too over the top to be liberals, we just do not operate on the level. Slaves, bj’s in limos, and leftist freaks ?? Those are straight out of the troll handbook.

    Or maybe I am just hoping so bad that I won’t believe the non-sense my party is pulling. Thank god for John McCain, because Romney would be burying the democrats, John can barely remember what he said 10 mins ago.

  • welcome upstairs, dale

    Your moronic posts were downstairs, so what – knew you would be here.

    I don’t expect you or anyone else to explain why clinton thinks rove and limbaugh now have important democratic credentials.

    We all know that THEY DON’T!

    Keep whining – Obama doesn’t need the likes of you in the fall anyhow.

    Have fun – here’s an idea, why don’t you vote for mccain like you probably were all along. We can change this country without you.

  • what kind of moron comes to blogs like this and brags about their degrees?

    From what I have seen here, only concern trolls that are being creamed by the vast majority of posters.

    Why does anyone think that if what they have to say is stupid, that anyone will be impressed by proclamations of college degrees?

  • From what I have seen here, only concern trolls that are being creamed by the vast majority of posters.

    So this is a popularity contest now, to see who can be supported (or alternatively, creamed) by a majority of posters? Thats how blogs should run? In a manner to drive out all alternative voices?

    Echo chamber much?

    But I’m happy to take you up on that, since you think you’re Mister Popularity. Any bets on whether you’d be the first commenter voted off? Cuz I’d be happy to take the money of any sucker who thinks it wouldn’t be you.

  • The American Culture of Corruption in the Age of Rage

    Curiosity has just begun for me, these Democratic political meetings are showing America one real thing, we have always been in a period of change, it is just now with today’s technology more of our government is in front of us to be watched recorded and thought about. However, with all the technology and capability this resource due the American electorate has been shunted and suppressed by Mainstream Media for decades.

    For me the word is Curiosity, as in who has it, how is it expressed, or how do Americans help themselves with it? Turning the page in history is a lot easier than we think.

    One thing is plain to see, the Democratic Party is not perfect but at least willing to show America some striking pivotal difficult issues and extreme situations right in the open on the very media America gives away in the broadcasting spectrum. Ladies and Gentleman of America Mainstream Media is way over due in telecasting these political meetings for the public electorate. Should have been done a long time ago. For me there are Republican woven in this process throwing the wrench of confusion. Far too many Republicans parading around as Democrats like Lieberman, especially on these committee’s.

    Mainstream Media news programs are the “Butchers of Reality”, especially with the influx of women telecasters with short skirts up the thigh view, or persons of mixed race with commentary about Black people, here, some persons are so light skinned yet exclaim to be African American describing the transitional phase the people of color are in. 🙂

    The bias “Seducing” media is way out of control. Here, everyday suggesting candidates inject race and gender into the election theme, yet advertise twenty four seven about male enhancement drugs or sexual stimulants, loosing your identity but finding your self a mate on e harmony. Sheesh. Or Chris Mathews has a topic like “The Seed’s of Politics” very elegant to be taken as solely chauvinistic male arrogance to the highest degree of ego hypocrisy. Here, Mathews tells you every day he loves politics. Indeed, direct deposit bonus is even more lovable. 🙂

    Now Obama resigns from his church of twenty years. Well, was it not just a few months ago that Obama talked about his religion? The most famous speech that is down in history as the next thing to John F. Kennedy? Now, obviously Obama fines it hard to believe in. So, Obama dumps the church that was his anchor of discovery, the friends Obama could not separate from. Now, looking for “Change or Exchange”, what does not propel Obama to success is put aside, but exchange this church for something that will. There is something deeper and likely even more controversial where the curiosity of the press covers up what America needs to know About Obama.

    For me as a Christian, I never thought about resigning a church. I went to many and still love them all, remember them all even if they disagreed with me or the parishioners met. I still know some and how there is a remarkable divine spirit that is lasting that carry’s forward with the people of the community in those churches. At least in those churches that I went to are still standing.

    If you’re a citizen of Chicago that grew up in the west side or south side you will notice the alarming thing that many, many churches are closed shut down, run down, or proliferated to a point there maybe a church on one side of a building and a liquor store directly connected to it on the other. For me all this reflecting a shallow effort in the Judeo-Christian ideal Blacks have in this small part of Chicago. This is one curious thing, a community organizer of the spirit Obama preaches yet rejects. Worse totally ignors.

    It’s incredible for Obama not to appear and show support and comfort to aid in the spiritual “Grace” that is needed in this time of debate. Obama showed America what he will do to solve the problem of conflict of ideals. Just embrace “Bitterness” and dump those people black or white that give him criticism. All, which will add to the decadence of that community. As an organizer this shows America Obama has only an “exchange skill” to lead a little community let alone the most powerful country in recorded history. Anyone can do that. Hell, why don’t we just build churches in Wal-Mart then we could go to customer serve counter to exchange what we believe in. Perhaps America is already on that path perhaps that’s why America is so screwed up. Obama will just make our trip to hell quicker. Obama the quick change artist.

  • Just as Reagan bought down unions, this Goldwater gal will do the same to the Democratic party.

  • Mark Twain is believed to have said that those who respect the law and love sausage should watch neither being made.

    That was actually Otto von Bismarck: ” Laws are like sausages – it is better not to watch either being made.”

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