‘People of the world, look at Berlin’

Realistically, it’s not at all fair to keep expecting Barack Obama to deliver stirring, powerful addresses. And yet, he keeps managing to exceed expectations.

It’s striking that there’s a universality to Obama’s message. He sees a nation at a crossroads here at home, but Obama also sees a world facing a turning point. When he says, “This is our time,” it works equally well in Boston as it does in Berlin. When he says, as he did today, “People of the world – look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one,” he’s talking to everyone.

Watching today, seeing Germans waving American flags and chanting, “Yes we can,” I thought about something Ezra Klein wrote in January: “Obama’s finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don’t even really inspire. They elevate. They enmesh you in a grander moment, as if history has stopped flowing passively by, and, just for an instant, contracted around you, made you aware of its presence, and your role in it.”

I had a similar reaction today.

“[T]he greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.

“The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

There were elements of the two famous U.S. speeches in Berlin — JFK’s and Reagan’s. Reagan talked about tearing down walls, and Obama identified new and old walls that “cannot stand.” Kennedy told people of the world, “Let them come to Berlin,” and Obama urged, “People of the world, look at Berlin.”

He spoke as an American who seemed anxious to have our nation rejoin the larger international community.

Obama didn’t apologize for America, but he did explain his vision of what makes America great, in case our friends abroad had forgotten.

“I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we’ve struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We’ve made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.

“But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived – at great cost and great sacrifice – to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom – indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us – what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America’s shores – is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please.

“Those are the aspirations that joined the fates of all nations in this city. Those aspirations are bigger than anything that drives us apart. It is because of those aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of those aspirations that all free people – everywhere – became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of those aspirations that a new generation – our generation – must make our mark on history.

“People of Berlin – and people of the world – the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. Let us build on our common history, and seize our common destiny, and once again engage in that noble struggle to bring justice and peace to our world.”

I was also struck by just how much ground Obama covered. Climate change, loose nukes, counter-terrorism, AIDS, poverty, free speech, religious liberty, Darfur, drug trafficking, rule of law — it was all in there.

I never know how people are going to react to speeches, but Obama’s speech struck me as a home run.

The whole speech is online, if you wanted to read it, but to fully appreciate it, try and find the video.

We’ll see on November 4th.

  • Unfortunately I was unable to listen to Obama’s speech live. I’ve tried in vain to find it online but have had no luck. If anyone knows of a site that is streaming the video I’d appreciate it if you post the link.

  • Damn whippersnapper.

    I’ll bet he didn’t even mention how I liberated Germany.

    GRR.

  • When Obama was in Baghdad he did not demand that the obscene walls that divide the city be torn down. When Obama was in Israel he did not demand that the obscene partitions erected by Israel in the West Bank be torn down. Obama is a hypocrite supreme.

  • I think that the American people are about to get a lot more familiar with Obama, as he works his way past the media filter.

    Gotta send him a few more bucks, if nothing else to annoy McCain.

  • I almost feel sorry for John McCain. Even when he speaks well he’s not even within a day’s drive of Obama’s league, and his ads make him look like a crabby old man who peaked out in the 1990s. That’s unfair to the man and his past, but it’s the reality of the man and his present. He’d have done better to find a new ambition after the 2000 primary fight.

  • Gotta send him a few more bucks, if nothing else to annoy McCain.

    I just sent Obama $100. But my motivation was to annoy our local trolls.

  • IMO, Obama’s visit to Germany, like his visits to Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan before that, is definitely elevating his foreign policy credentials back here in the U.S. In comparison, McCain has yet to elevate his own economic policy cred in any serious way.

  • Dieter Heymann:

    Take a chill pill. If you want peace there, have Bushit define your country as an axis of evil and he’ll shock and awe you and yours into oblivion. Then he’ll board an aircraft carrier and tell the world he has, once again, won. What fun.

    No, wait. You have no oil there. Boy, did you just luck-out…

  • Good point, Dieter. I saw Obama talk in a town hall a month ago, and he did nothing to denounce the walls in that gymnasium. Hypocrite! Hypocrite!

  • TR:

    I think the point was that Obama denounces such “walls” only when it’s politically safe to do so, such as in Berlin.

  • After 8 years of incoherancy, mangled syntax, and laughable sentences Obama demonstrates the eloquence an education and a mind can achieve. They aren’t all his words, but he makes them sound as if they are. In contrast to Bush, who can’t write let alone read a simple declarative sentence especially if there are any words with more than two syllables, Obama comes across as Shakespeare. McSame can’t remember his own name, let along what he said two hours ago, and has to keep it simple lest he get lost in his own bloodless rhetoric.

    Now who would you rather have speaking for the country?

  • As much as I would have liked to hear Obama take a swipe at Little Georgie Bu$h, he didn’t, and that was very dignified.

    Its almost as if he, and the world for that matter, recognize that the 8 year nightmare of Bu$h and his neocon handlers is soon to over, so let’s begin to move on.

    Now, if only Americans (well, Americans like JakeD), could get past the 19th century and start thinking in terms of the future, we’d be poised to regain our stature as the greatest nation on earth.

  • He cited FDR’s Four Freedoms, too. Cool.

    It’s certainly good form for Democrats to recall what Democrats in the past have said.

    🙂

  • citizen_pain:

    He didn’t name Bush personally, but he did mention “change of leadership in Washington”, right? What is the “new crossroad” if not a CHANGE from Bush?

  • COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) – Republican John McCain said on Thursday he would like to give a speech in Germany as U.S. president not as a White House candidate,

    Well, my friend, I want a pony, a supermodel masseuse and your wife’s inheritance. However, we’re all going to have to learn to live with disappointment.

  • Buffalonian:

    Add “Barack Hussein Obama will not be sworn in as President of the United States on January 20, 2009” to your list of disappointments.

  • #27

    Save yourself the time and energy and just say USA! USA! USA!

    (it’s almost Olympics time after all ;))

  • “It is best to be both feared and loved; however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved.”

    Unfortunately, in these turbulent times, that is the sad reality. It is a sad day indeed that a full half of the American political spectrum looks to European sentiment as a barometer of which direction to head. For those of you who claim this to be “true patriotism,” they had a word for you during Colonial times: Loyalists. You would have been opposed to George Washington and would have been literally tarred and feathered for treason. Ahh, the good old days…

  • This is an interesting appeal for Obama to make:

    He spoke on Afghanistan, a sensitive issue in Germany because of pressure for it to send more troops.

    Mr Obama said it was time to renew nations’ resolve to “rout the terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan and the traffickers who sell drugs on your streets”.

    “The Afghan people need our troops and your troops… we have too much at stake to turn back now,” he said.

  • JakeD said:
    P.S. we ARE the greatest nation on earth.

    Agreed, but our country fares better when we’re not led by assholes who insist the rest of the world acknowledge our greatness while their policies demonstrate the opposite.

  • for the sake of John – I’d be curious to hear either you or JakeD try and argue the contrary without resorting to pure jingoism – I’ll repost this here from a prior thread:

    No, but it is beyond foolish for anyone to actually prefer that we are always standing alone in world affairs. I saw a quote, perhaps in one of yesterday’s posts, about a German saying he had mixed feelings about how much Germany liked Obama because if he asked for additional NATO troops for Afghanistan “It would be hard to say no to him.”

    Precisely.

    One of the very best things about the rapidly approaching end of the Bush Error is the opportunity for the US to have a fresh start internationally. Nearly the entire globe stood with Bush’s father in Gulf War I; even after global outpouring of support after 9/11, Bush the Lesser’s “coalition of the willing” was, beyond Britain, Canada and Australia, largely a farce. When Clinton left office, the United States was widely admired around the world; no so today.

    These are not just academic matters, things that show that we “don’t need them.” (A misguided machismo if ever there was one.) It makes a huge difference in how well sanctions work, for example, and whether embargoes would be a possible option. It makes a huge difference in how much leverage we have against distant governments. It makes a huge difference in tracking movements and finances of terrorists. And it makes a huge difference in American casualties — both in terms of whether others share our combat burden, but another prime example is that Li’l Bush blew the negotiations with Turkey (be assured that neither his father nor Clinton would have), forcing an on-the-fly revision of our entry into Iraq, leaving key strategic components of the force still at sea when the invasion began.

    Being admired rather than despised also helps us win “the street,” helps draw people to our ideals and values — all of which are allegedly the aims of our intervention (i know, i know – it doesn’t mean they’ll relinquish their oil to our megacorporations, so it just doesn’t mean anything useful).

    In short, for any thinking American voter, the interest and positive reaction to Obama internationally — and particularly among our traditional western allies like Germany (it isn’t like the North Koreans have idolized him) should be an unambiguous benefit.

  • For the record, I was simply responding to someone else who claimed we had to “regain our stature” as the greatest nation on earth. REGAIN? That really is the difference between most Obama and McCain voters, right there. Most of you haven’t lived long enough to realize the God-given truth.

  • Obama makes speeches that are both eloquent & uplifting.

    Bush says “pull mah finger.”

    JakeD prefers Bush & McBush.

    There’s no accounting for taste.

  • zeitgeist #34

    Great post – one major point though: Canada most assuredly was NOT an ally in Iraq. It’s kind of a point of pride up here 🙂

    cheers

  • John @31: I think you have it backwads pal. The whole premise of your leader’s “Unitary Executive” argument is that the president is above the law and anything the executive branch does is beyond reproach. I can’t see a damn bit of difference between that and the English Monarchy of King George III (How ironic is that?).

    So who’s the loyalist now? Everything Bu$h and his handlers have done is contrary to the ideals and principles that we fought the revolutionary war for.

    And McCain won’t be any different.

  • It is a sad day indeed that a full half of the American political spectrum looks to European sentiment as a barometer of which direction to head…

    Thank God the founding fathers had no use for foreign muck like Montesquieu, or Locke, or the Scottish Enlightenment

  • [T]he greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.

    Well i guess that explains the FISA vote.

    BTW, Barack, I wouldn’t recommend saying anything overseas that you wouldn’t want Dick Cheney to hear.

  • I was simply responding to someone else who claimed we had to “regain our stature” as the greatest nation on earth. REGAIN?

    By that logic, JakeD, you must think Ronald Reagan was an America-hating traitor too.

    After all, he said this at his 1980 convention speech: “For those who have abandoned hope, we’ll restore hope and we’ll welcome them into a great national crusade to make America great again!”

    GREAT AGAIN? Was Reagan saying we weren’t great before he came along?!?!

  • I’m guessing the “D” after Jake’s handle isn’t a last initial but his average grade in high school.

  • Here’s portions of the speech.

    Don’t even try to find it on MSNBC. At this hour, it’s being downplayed by whore-hair Andrea Mitchell, and then minutes upon minutes of some old fuck wandering aimlessly around in the cheese section. CNN has better current coverage. Christiane Amanpour gives rave reviews. Crowd estimate: 200,000. Also a funny report about how young college conservatives having no luck garnering interest on campus for Grandpa’s “Depends Express”. Wonder why??

    His mom would have burned on the stake for it but you can easily abort JakeD with this coathanger script:

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/27384

  • Obama denounces such “walls” only when it’s politically safe to do so, such as in Berlin.

    Or maybe he mentions walls where they’re iconic, as in Berlin.

  • “COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) – Republican John McCain said on Thursday he would like to give a speech in Germany as U.S. president not as a White House candidate,”

    He’s been in politics long enough to know sometimes its better to just shut up.

  • JakeD,

    There is nothing God given about our greatness or lack thereof. Our greatness is derived from our people: the people who stand up for liberty against tyranny. Those of us who live in reality acknowledge that the behavior of the Bush administration and the Republican party has hurt our image, our economy, and our core.

    America the great is not a nation that tortures people. It’s not a nation that recklessly starts unnecessary wars to sate corporate greed. It is not a nation that prohibits its citizens from serving her because of their sexual orientation, gender, or skin color. It’s not a country that puts the needs of the few above the needs of the many.

    So, disrespectfully, I disagree with you. American can be great, but it isn’t right now. And that’s the difference between McCain’s and Obama’s supporters, right there. We’re striving to accheive something better for the country we love.

    Freedom, equality, and progress. Yes. We. Can.

  • And, what has France done for us since 1783?

    Died, mostly. In World War I, and World War II, and In Indochina. I think of them as our opening act.

  • When a man/person can deliver a speech of such broad vision, including most if not all peoples of the world, our climate/environment and some of the major issues we face individually and collectively, that is a person I want representing me. That he is still not leading in the polls, substantially, is a great disappointment to me. John McCain is addressing the baser instincts of fear and division among us, and will, over time, be recognized for what he is: a spokesperson for the the old paradigm of separation and exclusivity. We are One. This is a Universal Principle. It is beyond religion, secularism or any other identities the separate us, one from the other.

    May peace prevail on earth.
    I am committed to Oneness through Justice and Transformation
    peace,
    st john

  • “Distain”? What the hell is that?

    Is that what you conservatives get when you piss your pants in fear?

  • greetings, i only can hope that you dont believe that all germans are fans of Obama! Obama is against free trade and he has only “visions” of the future – but no real plans. such “visions” has guided us to irak and guantanamo. there are many germans like me who prefer McCain, because he has a lot of experience to be in uniform and would be a great commander in chief. our media trys to let you think that we all are fans of Obama – this is wrong!

  • It’s a definite improvement to have Obama rather than the Massager-In-Chief go to Germany.

  • Sorry, TR, I only have mocking distain for your kind. -JakeD

    Of course, because formulating a multi-sentence rebuttal to a salient point is beneath you. You’re nothing if not succinct and unconvincing.

  • Thank you for noticing.

    Candy Crowley said that Obama gave his usual stump speech, implying that there was nothing new, just politics as usual. But not. Obama took the opportunity to connect our concerns to those of the rest of the world.

    I think the big news is his move from Bush’s abstract notion of freedom to his specific freedom from fear, freedom to express yourself without fear, freedom to worship without fear. Reminds me of what he said about the rocket blowing up a house in Israel just yesterday.

    The freedom of fear idea is powerful, because it implies resolution beyond mere temporary security. And it is obviously not what the Republicans have been pushing.

  • Oh, yeah, that’s right — Frenchmen died for US, not the other way around — we had to clean up THEIR messes and save THEIR asses in World War I, World War II, and Vietnam — go back to history class, man.

  • TR (and doubtful):

    “Go wallow in your self-satisfied ignorance elsewhere …”

  • JakeD said:
    Sorry, TR, I only have mocking distain for your kind.

    Which kind? The kind who allow facts to shape their opinions?
    Or the kind who upset other people’s opinions with inconvenient facts?

    Neither kind has been welcome in the Bush administration.

  • citizen_pain said: “As much as I would have liked to hear Obama take a swipe at Little Georgie Bu$h, he didn’t, and that was very dignified.”

    That’s because Obama, unlike JSMcC*nt and his trolls here, remembers that politics ends at the water’s edge and candidates are SUPPOSED to not knock each other when they are overseas.

    JSMcC*nt couldn’t even seem to remember that he ASKED Obama to go to Iraq to “see for himself”.

    “And, what has France done for us since 1783?”

    Sold us Louisiana and about doubled our land territory at one go?

  • there are many germans like me who prefer McCain, because he has a lot of experience to be in uniform and would be a great commander in chief. our media trys to let you think that we all are fans of Obama – this is wrong!

    You’re absolutely right. According to this pol of German citizens done by the Telegraph (click for the Excel chart available there), Germans only favor Obama over McCain by a margin of 67% to 6%.

    So there are some in your country who favor McCain. A whopping 6%.

  • “Go wallow in your self-satisfied ignorance elsewhere …” -Jake D

    Awww, did we hurt the poor widdle trolls feerings? Cue the tiny violins.

    Pity party everyone, in 3…2…1…

    Awwwwwwww. 🙁

  • Died, mostly. In World War I, and World War II, and In Indochina. I think of them as our opening act.

    Christ, that’s funny. And unlike JakeD, intentionally so.

  • Again, Jake, you’re being mocked. Go find an adult and have them explain it to you.

  • (Why does JakeD keep putting quotes around his own comments that aren’t actually, you know, quoting anyone?

    He seems to be a bit confused.)

  • doubtful:

    I’m not confused. I am, in fact, simply quoting what TR posted to me from the other thread. Caught you!!!

  • I liked the reference to “the blogger in Iran” – it’s high time we heard some moderation from the usual “bomb bomb bomb Iran” stuff.

    #49 & #51- well written. A lot of “elevated discourse” here today…

  • is it me, or does this JakeD seem like a cross-pollination between Swan and Mary? (contaminated by some little bear and maybe JRS Jr?)

    Swan’s 30% of all posts in a thread including several in a row? check.
    Mary’s obsessive and inexplicable distaste for Obama? check.
    little bear’s childishness? (“Caught you!!!”) check.
    JRS Jr’s misplaced bravado and efforts to boldly taunt on behalf of a failing Republican party? check.

    Hypothesis: non-selective cross-breeding does not always result in a superior hybrid.

  • Caught you!!! -JakeD

    Huh? Caught me? What are you talking about?

    Usually when people quote someone they cite the original author, and sometimes even provide a link.

    I am not aware of the comments you are citing, hence my confusion to your use of quotations. I would suggest in the future, when pulling things from other articles, you give appropriate citations to help those of us gifted with your omniscience follow the conversation.

  • First, a trifling little document, specifically the Declaration of Independence, was written specifically to eloquently lay out our purpose in the War for Independence to Europe. Like the founders, Obama recognizes that the U.S. is a country of the world. We face problems that cannot be overcome through unilateral action.

    Secondly, the framers held international treaties to be of equal legal standing in the U.S. as the Constitution itself. Therefore, it seems evident that they felt that the opinions of foreign countries were manifestly as important as our own.

    As for what France has done since the War for Independence, here’s a brief listing: the Statue of Liberty, Victor Hugo, Alexdre Dumas, storage and dry cell batteries, the bicycle, braille, the gyroscope, the metric system and pasteurization to name a few things. Beyond that, the French have tried to warn us against repeating their mistakes. We have, to our everlasting harm, viewed that as baseless criticism, and responded with jokes about how a devastated France lost 100,000 troops to Germany in WWII before they were broken.

    And, if you’re going to use Francophobia as a virtue, and say, “What has France done for us lately?” Then also be prepared to explain what Israel, Kuwait, and other countries for which we have fought wars in the past 100 years or so have done to merit our living up to the alliances that we’ve made with them.

    The complete phrase is “My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.” It’s sad that so many living outside the country can see when we’re strayed before so many who live here can.

  • Guy from Germany

    I’m glad that you think that being in the military gives you more experience to be commander in chief. My guess is that it probably does, as far as being familiar with some of the internal machinations of the military. Two things should be noted though before handing the presidency over to McCain.

    1) The foreign policies that were created years ago and still implemented to this day were crafted by people(Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc) that had no military background(Bush’s half completed Alabama National Guard service doesn’t count, and just because you work at the pentagon, doesn’t make you a soldier). McCain has promised to continue these policies, disagreeing only with some of the tactics employed(i.e. it was his idea to have the surge). If you are like me and think the policy is what has been wrong the last few years, then this is something to chew on. If not, read my second point.

    2) My second problem is that the President of the US is so, So, SO much more than just being the commander in chief. If we vote for someone who makes no claim other than that he will make a better commander in chief, then we can’t expect much else in the way of policy other than war. McCain has admitted to a lack of knowledge on the economy and has shown us through his statements and town-halls he’s not that knowledgeable about a whole lot else either. So it would seem the only thing he can do is run the military(if he can do that), and as president, therefore his strong point would be to demonstrate his strategic prowess(wars). I think we need a president that can do more than just that. I think we need a president who can make peace.

  • Ahhh, if only Obama had kept his promise to protect the constitution and not supported the new FISA legislation-it would make it so much easier to believe him now.

  • There are, at least, two fake JakeD’s now. Keep it up, girls — I get paid by the post.

  • JakeD said: “Ahhh, if only Obama had kept his promise to protect the constitution and not supported the new FISA legislation-it would make it so much easier to believe him now.”

    Don’t you support the party that is trashing the whole constitution?

  • Someone said John McCain would like to give a speech in Germany as president, I wonder if the Germans remember all of the hate speeches he gave about them because France and Germany would not tow the line on Iraq and tried to get us to think a bit longer before we made the mistake of invading. Perhaps they would not welcome McCain at any time. Also any time Bush has made one of his few quick visits to Europe, the police has had to keep the thousands of protesters away from him! He never stayed around long enough to give a speech, he would not dare.
    To those who thought Obama’s speech was not a good one, they should remember that people were there from all over Europe and Americans living in Europe, so the speech had to be somewhat generic.

  • Flaccid JFK/Reagan 2.0 rip off. Obama’s vapid rhetoric boggles the mindless.

    Whoopie!

  • Senator Obama’s speech before a welcoming crowd of 200,000 in Berlin was
    powerful, thoughtful, and appropriately historic. Aside from being a talented orator
    his vision of America is truthful and memorable, yet nuanced. And his vision of the world and our nation’s place in it is no less impressive. In contrast, the sour, petty, and
    jealous Republican talking points taste of loser. Senator Obama has the unique skill
    of embracing the future while McCain is trapped in a stifling awkward dance of death.
    Even if Republicans manipulate a “victory” for McCain he will bring more war, more
    bigotry, more of a chasm between rich and poor, and greater restrictions of our civil liberties.

  • JakeD said

    “There are, at least, two fake JakeD’s now. Keep it up, girls — I get paid by the post.”

    Well, at least we have proof jake is a republican. He obviously won’t do anything unless there is a profit to be had.

  • “There wouldn’t be any walls in Baghdad if not for Bush and McCain.”

    Actually, now there are many fewer walls in Baghdad and the rest of Iraq because of Bush and McCain.

    I don’t think that Obama was advocating blasting away at the walls.

  • Since I’m from Berlin I could actually be there in person – very cool.

    – The speach was good. A bit generic (granted, I can’t see how he should have avoided that), the referencing-Reagan’s-and-Kennedy’s-Berlin-speaches-part was perhaps a bit overdone, but on the whole it was delivered and received well, plus conveyed the key points of his view of foreign affairs fairly well. All in all very captivating.
    – I particularly liked that he did not shy away from mentioning his view that all countries including Germany should send additional troops to Afghanistan – something that is very, very unpopular here in Germany.

    In my mind Obama achieved a lot in way of bringing the realtionship between Amerika an Germany back on the road towards where it once was, no matter how general in topic his speach was – the change in tone alone worked wonders I bet.
    I hope you manage to elect him president – although I guess that even then there’s some disillusionment in store for us …

    But there is something which I can’t really forgive him: There were no signs, banners etc. allowed in the secured area around the Victory Column. Remember when McCain expelled that librarian for her “McCain = Bush”-sign? Obama did essentially the same (OK, with a bit more style&fairness, banning ALL banners, regardless of content).
    I enjoyed going there, hearing his speach etc. but still: By blocking visible dissent (or assent) from the cameras, they made it in my mind abundantly clear that we were being used.
    Legally btw. he had every right to do this, but morally speaking he had no business dictating terms to the people he visited on wether or how to express their opinion of him.
    (This rule was circumvented of course: WWF for example simple distributed T-Shirts instead of banners since the rules didn’t cover those 🙂 )

  • #87, since it was fairly applied (i.e. it more than likely was against Obama’s own interest since most of the signs would likely have been positive) I would guess it was a matter of ensuring, in a crowd so large, lines of sight – enforced courtesy so a banner didn’t block the view of scores of people behind the banner. May have been viewed as a logistical necessity given the layout and the size of the expected audience.

  • For some reason, everyone neglects to mention that Obama spoke at a Free Concert.

    Maybe all those thousands of young Germans turned up for the two bands that were playing instead of coming to hear a speach in english.

    Nah, Obama’s charisma is so powerful it transcends language.

    More Kool Aid anyone?

  • “Remember when McCain expelled that librarian for her “McCain = Bush”-sign? Obama did essentially the same ”

    Actually, the librarian held the sign outside of the venue where McCain was to speak.

    “This rule was circumvented of course: WWF for example simple distributed T-Shirts instead of banners since the rules didn’t cover those.”

    T-shirts are fine, they both allow those around the wearer to see the person speaking, and present the message the wearer wants to convey to the speaker.

    Unless, of course, it’s at a Bush / McCain rally.

  • Personally I loved his speech and am so fortunate to have turned the TV on in time to listen to it live. His speeches inspire me and give me hope and that can be hard to find now days. The differance between Senator Obama speaking and Senator McCain is like night and day. Senator Obama makes it seem effortless.

  • at 3:15 pm, JakeD said:
    “Most of you haven’t lived long enough to realize the God-given truth.”

    Well, JakeD, I have. 60 year-old white woman to tell you this: You seem to think it’s pretty smart to dis Europe, and that’s not too surprising. Europe is where our western culture and civilization came from, where our greatest art, music and literature were created way before we were America. I get a sense culture isn’t what you’re all about. You sound like someone who is proud to think of right-wing talk radio and “reality shows” as culture. I will consider that a failure of your education background, and not a basic shallowness you wish to cultivate.
    Fortunately, Obama’s about the future, the possible, and the best we can be. You appear to prefer the past, the negative, and a sad view of the world. Too bad.

  • #88. zeitgeist: OK, haven’t looked at it that way. That would be a reason I’d accept. Still, if that was the reason they could have said so. I think the rule was generally perceived the way I described it.

    #89, Thinking voter: The free concerts were cool, and I did turn up early to see the bands, but I’m sure neither Patrice nor Reamonn have – since becoming popular – ever played for a smaller audience. The stage was a bit to the side of the main area and was – I’m sad to say – mostly ignored. The crowd was definitely more interested in getting a good place to see Obama than seeing the concert.
    Which was fine with me, gave the concerts a very private feel, pretty cool.

    As to “hear a speach in english”: Most germans (at least below a certain age or above a certain level of education) are perfectly capable of understanding english.

  • Senator McCain,
    Everybody was not born the same day. Everybody will not die the same day. Senator Obama have a good week. The world loves him. Tomorrow,your chance will come. Stay focused on your message. As the Bateke of Congo say,”Chance is like a man’s testicles-they swing back and forth”
    Guy Blaise

  • Well the French ought to be grateful.

    If it weren’t for the USA we’d all be learning German right now instead of Arabic and Spanish.

  • After scanning the messages here, for the most part, positive towards Obama, there are still 40 some per cent of the people who would support McCain, a seventy something, out of touch war monger who would continue with old bush monetary policies and oil drilling. I find it appalling. But it speaks volumes about the education level of the American people. In Europe, where public education is free even at the university level, I think people are much more sophisticated and have a much better understanding of the world. If McCain should be able to win a narrow victory, America will surely succumb as old Russia did during the cold war. We cannot continue our war like behavior and pouring money into the defense companies, at the expense of the cost to the American people.

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