‘People want to know, are you on your knees?’

The NYT has a fascinating piece today on Democratic strategist Mara Vanderslice, and her 2-year-old consulting firm, Common Good Strategies, which aims to help the Democratic Party and its candidates appeal to theologically conservative voters. I found most of what Vanderslice had to say compelling, but not of all it.

Vanderslice reportedly helped Dems make “deep inroads” among white evangelical and churchgoing Roman Catholic voters in 2006 in Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. I haven’t seen the specific numbers — nationally, the evangelical vote was largely unchanged this year — but the Times piece reports that Vanderslice’s candidates did “10 percentage points or so better than Democrats nationally among those voters.” If so, that’s pretty impressive.

So, what does Vanderslice’s advice include? Her ’06 clients were advised, among other things, to speak at conservative religious schools, buy commercials on Christian radio, and organize meetings with politically-influential clergy. In Michigan and Ohio, Common Good Strategies even enlisted nuns to do phone-bank work, urging politically-conservative Catholics to support Democratic candidates, despite concerns about abortion rights.

Exploitative? Not really. Vanderslice doesn’t urge secular candidates to “fake” religiosity; she advises already-religious candidates to make a connection with voters who want to hear about candidates’ moral foundations. Fine.

All of this seemed largely inoffensive to my secular ears, right up until Vanderslice addressed church-state separation.

In an interview, she said she told candidates not to use the phrase “separation of church and state,” which does not appear in the Constitution’s clauses forbidding the establishment or protecting the exercise of religion.

“That language says to people that you don’t want there to be a role for religion in our public life,” Ms. Vanderslice said. “But 80 percent of the public is religious, and I think most people are eager for that kind of debate.”

That’s spectacularly wrong, and frankly, a little dangerous. The separation of church and state is what guarantees religious liberty in the United States. It’s the principal reason religion has flourished in this country — because believers have always known that they are free to worship (or not) without aid or interference from the state, which is bound by the Constitution to remain neutral on matters of faith. No matter what your beliefs, the separation of church and state protects you, not inhibits you.

To tell candidates to avoid support for church-state separation, and to insist that the constitutional principle is somehow hostile towards religion, is not only to play the religious right’s game, it’s endorsing the movement’s rules.

I can appreciate that Vanderslice is almost certainly well-intentioned, and her approach to religious outreach appears to be successful, but have we really reached a point in which Democrats have to hesitate before embracing First Amendment principles, for fear that voters won’t approve?

Don’t answer that; I’m afraid I already know the answer.

Just for fun, let’s start using the phrase “Separation of Synagogue and state”, and see what happens…

  • I’m with Ohioan. Bubba’s phrase is a literally wordy, but each used in isolation works. I’m in favor of “Separation of Mosque and State”.

  • Utah.
    “So,” I said to the Baptist that wanted the state to teach his religious preferences, “You would eagerly support the teaching of the Book of Mormon by the state?”
    Guess what reaction follows.

  • I think you may be reading more into what she’s saying than is there. I read it to mean that she advises clients not to use the phrase “separation of church and state.” I don’t think there is anything wrong with that because of the meaning that phrase has taken on over time. While it certainly embodies the underlying principle of religious freedom, it has turned into one of the easiest (and most overused) straw man arguments I hear (i.e. “Where exactly does separation of church and state appear in the constitution?”). While we can all see that argument for what it is (i.e., fucking stupid), it resonates with a lot of people, particularly those with whom she is trying to make in-roads.

    If she is merely telling her candidates to use different language to express the fact that the constitution protects religious freedom, that’s not a bad thing. The strength of the constitution lies in how it is applied, not the words we use to express its principles. To me, this is no different than Norquist and Co. saying “death tax” instead of “estate tax.”

  • Sam Harris has a good article in the LA Time this morning: 10 Myths about Atheism. http://snipurl.com/15tjx

    Evangelicals seem to think they own this country. And Republicans agree with them. Other churches will probably organize against them.

  • “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” -Jesus

    Religion weakens government and government weakens religion. If you value one or both, you should want them to stay the hell away from each other.

  • I’m not sure I see this the same as you, CB. I don’t see that she’s opposed to the establishment clause, as it’s understood to keep church and state separate. She seems to be talking in terms of framing, as in: When you utter the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ evangelicals go stone cold deaf to anything you have to say afterwards, if not outright hostile.

    I would hate to see the Dems go a-pandering after the evangelicals. At the same time, I’m getting a bit tired of riling that hornet’s nest. As we all know, when riled, they are deaf, blind, and quite nasty. To the degree that she’s advising to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’, I can agree. To the degree that she wants everyone to walk around with their religion on their sleeve, I cringe.

  • “she told candidates not to use the phrase ‘separation of church and state,’ ”

    not to use the phrase

    This is about framing and bumpersticker sentiments. In a politics, in which 30 second spots constitute the largest part of our political discourse heard by many people, this is what political consultants do: they don’t advise on political philosophy or government policy; they advise on what phrases to use, or not use.

    So, this is not an occasion to get on your high horse and declaim on freedom of religion. What’s needed here are not bedrock principles, but enabling principles. Not the tools of logically valid argument, but the tools of hypnotically persuasive argument.

    Religious people do want to hear politicians invoke God and religious traditions and religious principles, and religious people do not want to hear sanctimony on first amendment jurisprudence. When a highly religious community hears that they cannot have a local minister give a benediction at the high school football game, they get upset and they don’t understand, and they make themselves emotionally available to demogogues of the Right.

    So, how do you combat that? Not philosophically, per se, but in terms of emotive phrasing suitable for bumper stickers and 30 second spots.

    I don’t know the answer to that. I, personally, think that we should be calling the demogogues on their demogoguery and hypocrisy and manipulation and betrayals. That a man, who is responsible for the deaths of a half million Iraqis, who has signed more death warrants than any other living U.S. official, is regarded as “pro-life” by the religious right is absurd. But, maybe that’s just me.

    That Fox News and the talk-show Right can gin up a War on Christmas out of “Happy Holidays!” is beyond absurd.

    Democrats have to find ways to actively subvert the Right’s cynical manipulation of both religion and class resentments. Vanderslice says what NOT-to-say, and she may be right, but the question is what should be said in defense of tolerance and against political religion?

  • She seems to be talking in terms of framing, as in: When you utter the phrase ’separation of church and state’ evangelicals go stone cold deaf to anything you have to say afterwards, if not outright hostile.

    But isn’t this just the flip side of Republican anti-abortion candidates talking about “murdering babies”. They don’t seem to mind doing it regardless of who it turns off. It seems to be just another way of the Republicans being able to get away with hardball while Democrats are always told we have to “play nice” for fear of offending someone.

  • If somebody were to say to me, ‘People want to know, are you on your knees?’, I would reply:

    “Only when I’m looking for something under the sofa.”

    That ought to confuse them long enough for me to leave the room. 😉

  • I got the willies reading that article. All I could think of was the execrable Amy Sullivan reading it with a big smile on her face 🙁

  • I’ve always wondered, if Goode or any of the myriad of right-wing politicians in Washington had been alive when Jesus gave his Sermon on the Mount, would their reaction have been to actually follow the teachings of Jesus, or would they say something like:

    “Hey, how about ‘Blessed are the shaved and bathed, for theirs is a goddamned job’. Get a haircut, you free-loving hippie!”

  • 2Manchu–or when Jesus was presented to the people by Pilot. No doubt today’s group of christians would side with the people against Jesus, against change, against brotherhood and compassion.

  • The problem is that when we start allowing Religious Observance into State functions it is just a matter of time until the State starts regulating Religious Observance. Kinda like the Council of Nicea.

    When the Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire religious tolerance dropped off the map for a thousand years or so. We are witnessing corolaries in the Muslim world (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi-Arabia) now.

  • oh, and hey, I’m going to say it: “Religion has NO place in the public square” or at best an extremely minimal place.

    I’ve always been a little mystified as to why the Conservatives have such knee-jerk villification of the French – and this discussion today, the light bulb came on: the French went through this discussion awhile back, and they decided, as a nation, that the influence of organized religion was so pernicious and so adverse to the functioning of a democratic republican society that they effectively did ban religion from the public square. And they seem totally fine with it, with no ill effects to French society. So of course those who seek to advance and protect the aggrandizement of religion influence in America do all they can to knock down the French. God forbid that people actually learn that there is a prosperous functional civil society that actually gets by without public religion being forced down people’s throats.

  • Bubbe,

    Exactly, because they wouldn’t see the Messiah, they would just see an unemployed homeless man trying to stir up trouble.

  • Vanderslice says what NOT-to-say, and she may be right, but the question is what should be said in defense of tolerance and against political religion? — Bruce Wilder, @10

    Well, if we were to follow up on her argument (I agree with you; she’s not advocating closer connection between the church and the state; she’s simply advising to duck the issue or, at least, not to bring it up first), we should probably craft something which, instead of mentioning, negatively (separate), the church and the state in the same breath, would mention church and home, positively (join). Maybe?

  • Based on what I see here, I’m in the “hopefully she’s not opposed to separation of church and state” camp. She seemed to be saying that crying out from the towers that separation is the only way is not an effective strategy for winning.

    I think the point is not to get caught up in slogans when the other side’s slogan is probably more effective especially since so much of America is church-going (particularly the areas she seems to be focusing on). Separation of church and state is apparently an esoteric concept for some that is easily misconstrued in their simple minds as being anti-God.

    Of course, when another religion is substituted for Christianity, amazing how quickly they are converted.

  • “Nobody” is right, I think. What she is advocating is not using *language* that has picked up adverse connotations in certain circles; not that we should no longer strongly advocate against establishment of religion.

  • I came across this comment string and wanted to clarify the rest of Mara’s quote that the reporter left out (conflict sells more papers). What she said after the quote in question was something along the lines of: “instead, we recommend that they refer to the vital 1st amendment principle by identifying it as “the establishment and free exercise clause of the Constitution,” which uses the words in the Constitution that more accurately describe the principle and are less inflammatory. That is how we refer to the principle that protects the freedom and equality of those who worship and those who don’t in this country. Best,
    Eric Sapp
    CGS

  • Please note that Digby’s post at Hullabaloo today says that Vanderslice is not inoffensive, but is working a new way to neutralize pro-choice positions in the Democratic party. Changing the rhetoric of Democratic politicians to the “Abortion is Icky” frame (see Scott Lemieux at Lawyers, Guns, and Money) will 1, be wimpy and make them look wimpy, 2, distance them from the actual majority position in the country, 3, turn off activists, and 4, actually violate the principles of most Democrats. It is not worthwhile to appeal to people who are unlikely to vote for Democrats-as-fake-social-conservatives anyway.
    Greg Sargent at The Horse’s Mouth at The American Prospect also has posted on this.

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